RE: price politics for hardware updates post-phase-1/2

2007-08-22 Thread John Seghers
Jan wrote: Somewhere I read that FIC will likely sell the phase 2 to phase 1 owners for something like $150 (instead of $300 - yes, I know that phase 2 will cost more likely around $450 instead of $300). Hi Jan, When FIC announced the Phase 1 phones, they told us that instead of paying

Troubles with mailing list

2007-08-22 Thread Daniel Spies
Hi List, I did not receive any message from the list for two days now, except some messages dated to July. (lol) If anyone receives my message, please be that kind, and answer it. Leave the list out, or CC it, so I can be sure I will receive it. Thanks in advance! Daniel

Re: mailing list management

2007-08-22 Thread Marco Barreno
On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 12:19:55AM +0100, thus spake Giles Jones: It's only affecting GMail messages. It's mostly Gmail messages that are being affected, but not entirely. A recent non-Gmail message that was duplicated was sent by mokoNinja [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 8/16 with: Subject: Re:

Re: compile problem: OOM when compiling

2007-08-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: When compiling busybox (from memory need to check) cc1 started eating 900M and soon my system was no longer useable. Busybox is a defconfig type buildsystem. Let me guess... it hangs during task do_configure, right? If so, the please launch a build and kill it

WiFi vs. speaker

2007-08-22 Thread Mark Haury
C'mon, guys, do you _really_ need that big hole right through the case? Why don't you keep the stereo speakers and put the WiFi in that wasted space instead It's not only a matter of stereo vs. mono, either -- you'll be halving the amount of sound output and perceived quality. From what

Re: List mail not being delivered

2007-08-22 Thread Mike Hodson
On 7/11/07, Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't received any email from these mailing lists since around 10:00 CEST on July 10. The web archives, however, show several messages since that time. Could there be a problem with the list server? I checked my list subscriptions,

RE: 3G SIMs?

2007-08-22 Thread John Seghers
Marco Barreno wrote: I have a question about SIM cards. If I have a 3G phone with its 3G SIM, will I be able to put that SIM in the Neo? My carrier is ATT in the US. Hi Marco, There have been some problems with ATT SIMs, some working, some not. See the Wiki here:

Zombie processes

2007-08-22 Thread Ashok Kumar
Hi I just compiled openmoko platform and emulated in qemu successfully. After finished executing the processes like gtkterm, it is becoming zombie. Why did not it is reaped by the parent process(matchbox??)? Can someone look into that? -- Thanks, Ashok

How about a slim Openmoko

2007-08-22 Thread Dev Anand
Hi, Was just wondering if there are any thoughts floating around for a slim openmoko case design. Moto Razr sold like hot cakes only because of the design IMO, even, when it was slimmer on the features. Openness with a sleek design and it may be a killer. Dev

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Dan Johansson
Yup, all that is true. If there is a market for it, someone might be willing to create some kind of receiver add on. But I'd don't think an FM receiver would be a bad idea. While many of us here turn to cds or music files for music, its still useful for news and information. New media formats

MokoMakefile now builds OM-2007.2 (Was: Balancing simplicity with complexity)

2007-08-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: The introduction of OM-2007.2 goes hand in hand with merging the OpenMoko OpenEmbedded overlay into the upstream repository org.openembedded.dev. We are now based directly on the upstream metadata found in OpenEmbedded and synchronized with the most recent developments.

Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity

2007-08-22 Thread Dylan McCall
This is fantastic to read! Thank you, Sean -- and Thomas, of course. I must say, today I have had an interesting revelation of sorts... One thing that gives me a bit of trouble with the open source community is my ridiculous pickiness, and my wish to have everything smooth and unique. (Not to

Re: T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-08-22 Thread Mike Hodson
On 8/20/07, Richard Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm is there any way to use the t-Mobile at home service when in WiFi range if I don't care about disconnecting when I go out of WiFi range? The Asterix route seems very complex. Thanks. Richard At this point its hard to say, however

Re: Can't flash smaller root-fs through dfu-util?

2007-08-22 Thread Petr Stetiar
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-08-19 21:23:08]: After unsuccessfully flashing different root-filesystems, I finally found this note: If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then

Re: Test

2007-08-22 Thread Mike Hodson
On 8/19/07, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just another test, did not receive anything since Saturday... Hi; I think the list is somehow backlogged... Today i got messages that are entirely new to my gmail account, but were dated between July 10 and August 10. I think the 'duplicate

Re: Screenshots? (was: Balancing simplicity with complexity)

2007-08-22 Thread Erland Lewin
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: We went back to the drawing board with OpenedHand -- lead by their vast experience with GTK+, Matchbox, and mobile user interfaces -- and redesigned an incredibly promising new interface. Sounds great! Are there screenshots available anywhere? /Erland

Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)

2007-08-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hm, in other words: everybody should subscribe (listen) to all other lists to post questions in the correct sublist... This is IMHO a very strong argument for a Forum system where you have to register only once, but can change between topics easily - even if new ones come up. Just my 2

Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
Hi all, Having tried 2007.2 it's a great improvement and moves the phone a long way into looking like a product. I have some usability improvement suggestions that I will propose at some point. Will the old 2007 be phased out? it's never going to get finished given most people will want to

Really hard to keep the device usable

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
Wim Delvaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : the dialout caused the device to go black again and now I cannot get it on regardless what I do with the power button. I wonder how I can reset the device ? Have you tried removing the battery for 10 seconds, then replacing the battery and charging

Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)

2007-08-22 Thread Harald Welte
Please don't bring up the forum debate again. We have heared all the arguments. We will not have a forum as long as I have any role in this project. All FOSS projects that I've ever been involved in 10+ years FOSS development use mailinglists, very efficiently, even lots of them. That's our

openmoko API Documentation

2007-08-22 Thread chetan nanda
Hi, I have installed the openmoko on my machine and now i want to develop some Gtk based sample applications. I saw the sample gtk based hello world in the openmoko.org but i am not able to find the api documentation (e,g like MokoApplication, MokoWindow etc). Can anybody have any idea

Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?

2007-08-22 Thread Jørgen P. Tjernø
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dev Anand wrote: Moto Razr was slim and even slimmer on features but caught on because of the design. If one could have the openness of openmoko and make it a slim elegant design it will be a killer. What say? FIC/OpenMoko has said they will

Re: mailing list management

2007-08-22 Thread Harald Welte
Dear Hank, On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 06:50:03AM -0400, hank williams wrote: While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS, this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I said earlier, the Apache groups (perhaps the largest FOSS umbrella)

RE: Balancing simplicity with complexity

2007-08-22 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
IMO the new UI is absolutely awesome. You guys really have found a way to make the small screen and high resolution work well with just finger touches. In my playing around with all the latest snapshots for the last week or two I have yet to need a stylus, aside from making a few terminal

Re: Bug 256, gsmd sudden death and making phone calls

2007-08-22 Thread Aditya Chadha
I'm seeing this, as well. gsmd dies after 5 minutes. From the log: -- Mon Aug 20 01:04:06 2007 1 atcmd.c:210:ml_parse() buf=`%CSQ: 1 '(8) Mon Aug 20 01:04:06 2007 1 atcmd.c:372:ml_parse() Appending buf to mlbuf Mon Aug 20 01:09:06 2007 1 gsmd.c:124:alive_interval_tmr_cb() interval expired,

Fwd: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread D. Vicario
2007/8/19, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 01:45:12PM +0530, Ashok Kumar wrote: not really. It's still somewhat of a strange conception to me why peopel would be interested in listening to hours and hours of crappy commercials interrupted with one or two (mostly

Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)

2007-08-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.08.2007 um 12:46 schrieb Harald Welte: On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Harald, please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from setting up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time. in fact that was

Is GTA2 UMA/GAN capable

2007-08-22 Thread Richard Boehme
Will the GTA2 be UMA/GAN capable? If not, does anyone know if FIC has any plans for a UMA/GAN capable OpenMoko phone? Thanks. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)

2007-08-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.08.2007 um 10:39 schrieb Harald Welte: Please don't bring up the forum debate again. We have heared all the arguments. We will not have a forum as long as I have any role in this project. All FOSS projects that I've ever been involved in 10+ years FOSS development use mailinglists,

Re: mailing list management

2007-08-22 Thread hank williams
Harald, While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS, this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I said earlier, the Apache groups (perhaps the largest FOSS umbrella) for example, and many (most?) others do not have the default reply-to

RE: Can't flash smaller root-fs through dfu-util?

2007-08-22 Thread John Seghers
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: After unsuccessfully flashing different root-filesystems, I finally found this note: If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then upload your rootfs first: cu -l

Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?

2007-08-22 Thread Jeff Andros
On 8/18/07, Dev Anand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moto Razr was slim and even slimmer on features but caught on because of the design. If one could have the openness of openmoko and make it a slim elegant design it will be a killer. What say? I like the idea of going slim for future devices,

Re: GPL projects from Nokia

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
On 21 Aug 2007, at 18:50, Giles Jones wrote: Hi all, Anyone taken a look at these projects? thought there may be things of use here. http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/index.html Just thought, will be Symbian based stuff, doh. I guess some of the bluetooth protocol stuff might port

Re: Can't flash smaller root-fs through dfu-util?

2007-08-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.08.2007 um 17:13 schrieb andy selby: If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then upload your rootfs first: cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 GTA01Bv3 # nand erase rootfs This *should* help but I am trying to

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any plans of adding it in future? not really. It's still somewhat of a strange conception to me why peopel would be interested in listening to hours and hours of crappy commercials interrupted with one or two (mostly crappy, too) songs in between, if

GPL projects from Nokia

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
Hi all, Anyone taken a look at these projects? thought there may be things of use here. http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/index.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Can't flash smaller root-fs through dfu-util?

2007-08-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.08.2007 um 19:23 schrieb John Seghers: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: After unsuccessfully flashing different root-filesystems, I finally found this note: If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then

Re: USB host

2007-08-22 Thread Harald Welte
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:48:19AM -0500, William Voorhees wrote: For GTA02 we will most likely supply power to the USB in host mode! Awesome, is this news or did I just find out? It is intentionally leaked but not yet finally confirmed and officially announced and confirmed information.

Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity

2007-08-22 Thread Jeff Andros
mostly to rod... how soon until mokomakefile is updated? On 8/20/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community! A top ten complaint that we have received is directed at our user interface. Many people feel like the current interface doesn't address their exact needs. The

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Tehn Yit Chin
Personally, I would find a FM radio on a phone to be a welcome addition. I use the radio to not only to listen to music, but also the listen to the news and other broadcasted information. I must admit that stations on the FM band are definitely more incline to be your stereotypical Top40 radio

Bricked Neo

2007-08-22 Thread Mark Chandler
I ran a nand erase when I was a bit tired and have killed my phone. Anyone in Sydney with a debug board that I can use to resurrect it? Alternately, does anyone know if is it possible to buy the debug board separately to the Neo? Cheers, Mark C.

Re: Can't flash smaller root-fs through dfu-util?

2007-08-22 Thread andy selby
If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then upload your rootfs first: cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 GTA01Bv3 # nand erase rootfs This *should* help but I am trying to understand why dfu-util can't do that?

Re: GTA02 status updates please

2007-08-22 Thread Sebastian Latza
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On 07/31/2007 Sven Neuhaus wrote: Hello Openmoko folks, please keep us in the loop regarding the GTA02 development. How is it progressing? Do you have pictures of the inside of the prototypes already? Is it still on track for the October release date? The last

Re: avoid auto power-off in u-boot mode

2007-08-22 Thread Javi Roman
On 8/22/07, Javi Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The entry http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Preparing_the_device_for_DFU_mode warns us about some devices turns off after a period of inactivity while on the u-boot menu. I am not really sure if this issue is hardware related,

Re: compile problem: OOM when compiling

2007-08-22 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia poniedziałek, 20 sierpnia 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer napisał: Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: When compiling busybox (from memory need to check) cc1 started eating 900M and soon my system was no longer useable. Busybox is a defconfig type buildsystem. Let me guess... it hangs during

Re: Troubles with mailing list

2007-08-22 Thread Simon
The message is received. It arrived in a batch of about 15 other emails too all at the same time (6:29 est) Simon On 8/20/07, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I did not receive any message from the list for two days now, except some messages dated to July. (lol) If anyone

Re: Test

2007-08-22 Thread danimanns
The very same thing for me! Everything is very (!) slow and buggy... Is this some mailman bug, or is there something else broken? I tried to subscribe with another e-mail address. This did not work, too... Well, someone could try this one more time, just try to get a confirmation mail, I guess

Re: WiFi vs. speaker

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : C'mon, guys, do you _really_ need that big hole right through the case? Why don't you keep the stereo speakers and put the WiFi in that wasted space instead The GSM antenna is next to the hole, not the best place for a wifi module. I do agree with

Re: OpenMoko Flasher

2007-08-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
OpenMoko Flasher 1.3 (for MacOS X) is now available: http:// www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko%20Flasher Am 21.08.2007 um 09:35 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Ah, I see. I will add a feature that one can change the list of repositories in the Preferences... In the meantime, you can

Re: openmoko API Documentation

2007-08-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
The classes you mention belong to OM-2007.1 which won't receive any more development. OM-2007.2 so far only features one class on top of Gtk+, the MokoFingerScroll. It's derived from GtkScrolledWindow and should be drop-in substitute. Full doxygen-based API documents -- also for the classes that

Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity

2007-08-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Giles Jones wrote: Having tried 2007.2 it's a great improvement and moves the phone a long way into looking like a product. Thanks, we still see a long way before us, but we're moving! :) I have some usability improvement suggestions that I will propose at some point. Excellent. Please do

RE: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Daniel Savage
I'm currently using a Motorola E6 as I wait for NEO to be more ready for the early adopter / power user. While I haven't had it a long time, I will say that the FM Radio is a pretty commonly used thing for me in a cell phone .. and I encourage the group to consider it if it doesn't have huge

Re: Can't flash smaller root-fs through dfu-util?

2007-08-22 Thread Igor Foox
On 8/21/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 21.08.2007 um 19:23 schrieb John Seghers: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: After unsuccessfully flashing different root-filesystems, I finally found this note: If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it

Re: compile problem: OOM when compiling

2007-08-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Does anyone see this problem too? my host os is ubuntu 7.04 (feisty) on x86_64. Our buildhost is x86_64, I have to use a custom uname (returning i686) and BUILD_ARCH = i686 in local.conf to make it build openmoko-devel-image. Mickeyl - you are cheater when it

Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?

2007-08-22 Thread Dev Anand
Open Source = Choice, Freedom, Alive Slim Design = EDCability ( and currently lack of features) Open Source + Slim Design = Choice, Freedom, Alive and EDC The problem with my current phone's software is that I am stuck with what I bought. I cannot use applications other than what was shipped

Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity

2007-08-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Jeff Andros wrote: mostly to rod... how soon until mokomakefile is updated? It was updated and put into alpha testing a couple of days before Sean's announcement, and went live about 6 hours before the announcement (on Mickey's Go signal). However, my announcement of the MokoMakefile update

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Steven **
Are there no companies that make USB FM receivers? Seems like that would be an easy fix, right? I got a Sansa e140 as a prize a little while ago. It has an FM receiver. I was thinking of breaking the thing open and trying to steal the receiver to put in my Neo. Think that's workable? -Steven

Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)

2007-08-22 Thread Tilman Baumann
Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Harald, please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from setting up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time. in fact that was the most fun part. But just

Re: Screenshots? (was: Balancing simplicity with complexity)

2007-08-22 Thread Nkoli
On 8/21/07, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds great! Are there screenshots available anywhere? /Erland Better, see videos on this blog: http://chrislord.net/blog/fancy-scrolling-widgets-pt2.enlighten ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)

2007-08-22 Thread Tilman Baumann
Sorry. I had uncontrollable spasms in my mouse finger. Or whatever. This mail was not intentionally sent. Sorry I just wanted to agree with harald. But not whith sending a blanc email. :) Forums suck for many reasons. (No filter, no archiving, no offline use, ...) No FOSS project of any

Re: Bricked Neo

2007-08-22 Thread Thomas Wood
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 01:43 +, an unknown sender wrote: I ran a nand erase when I was a bit tired and have killed my phone. As long as you didn't erase uboot you should still be able to re-flash the phone without a debug board. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business

Lipstick on a fetus

2007-08-22 Thread Thomas Wood
Hi Ken, I hope once you've tested 2007.2 you will find there have been many improvements in the Dialer. We have re-written large parts of it in an effort to make it simpler and more stable. There are still teething problems lower down the stack (gsmd for example), but significant progress is

Re: Bricked Neo

2007-08-22 Thread Mark Chandler
Thomas Wood wrote: On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 01:43 +, an unknown sender wrote: I ran a nand erase when I was a bit tired and have killed my phone. As long as you didn't erase uboot you should still be able to re-flash the phone without a debug board. Regards, Thomas I literally

Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Franco Austin
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Screenshots? (was: Balancing simplicity with complexity)

2007-08-22 Thread Rockmen Jack
Great UI! But after watching the layout, I have one concern: Compare with the incoming-call layout: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f0/Dialer-incoming-arrows.png and the in-call layout: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f7/Dialer-talking-arrows.png The place of the accept-call button in former

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
Amy Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : But, IMO, the color scheme is wrong! I know lots of amazing technical hurdles are being cleared and political ones, as well. But, that color scheme is going to hold this thing back. It should be snazzy and bright and colorful and full of ENERGY! Not

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Amy Stephen
Absolutely true! It should be skinnable. But, before that happens - these images are what are hitting the press. Would certainly love to see OpenMoko present a very sharp, bright image as others are observing, wondering if an open source community can really go toe-to-toe with the iPhone. I

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Tilman Baumann
Amy Stephen wrote: But, IMO, the color scheme is wrong! I know lots of amazing technical hurdles are being cleared and political ones, as well. But, that color scheme is going to hold this thing back. It should be snazzy and bright and colorful and full of ENERGY! Not orange and black like

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Kalle Kärkkäinen
- Original Message - From: Amy Stephen Absolutely true! It should be skinnable. But, before that happens - these images are what are hitting the press. Would certainly love to see OpenMoko present a very sharp, bright image as others are observing, wondering if an open source

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Kalle Kärkkäinen
Sorry for the empty post. Heres the intended content. - Original Message - From: Amy Stephen Absolutely true! It should be skinnable. But, before that happens - these images are what are hitting the press. Would certainly love to see OpenMoko present a very sharp, bright image as

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Amy Stephen
On 8/22/07, Jeremy G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think at this point, the orange/black is just such a default OpenMoko look that getting rid of it would cause a few aneurysms; I also think that the color scheme is already so associated with the OS that springing something new would bring about

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Thomas Wood
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 19:49 +0300, Kalle Kärkkäinen wrote: [...] I guess that there should be something extra on the ui. It's pretty plain as it is. Maybe there could be animations or some other stuff that'd make the phone come to life? Maybe for the menus and toolbars or something like in

Re: Is GTA2 UMA/GAN capable

2007-08-22 Thread Harald Welte
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 08:51:24AM -0400, Richard Boehme wrote: Will the GTA2 be UMA/GAN capable? no. If not, does anyone know if FIC has any plans for a UMA/GAN capable OpenMoko phone? yes, we would love to have one. But I don't think there is any way how we could do it in the forseeable

Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-22 Thread Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML)
Hi, It seems that a big problem we have here in Europe to get Openmoko devices is that the shiping costs are quite high: around 80-100USD !! I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are available, to other Europe countries. I'll buy quantities of devices from FIC and resell

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Jeff Andros
On 8/22/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of breaking the thing open and trying to steal the receiver to put in my Neo. Think that's workable? http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community uh... probably not... I haven't seen the device, but there probably isn't a

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Xamindar
I just want to say that I can't stand the ubuntu colors. Please don't suggest using ugly brown colors for a phone. At the moment I like the dark version of the phone but the orange one could use a little change. Dylan McCall wrote: Have to kind of agree with Amy about the colour scheme. I am

Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?

2007-08-22 Thread Shawn Rutledge
I think less PDA is the wrong direction to go with this product. Future versions ought to be more iPhone-like in form factor (as slim as they can make it, and frameless or at least nearly, with a high ratio of screen real estate to overall size). As for hardware hacking, I doubt that most of us

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
On 22 Aug 2007, at 19:38, Xamindar wrote: I just want to say that I can't stand the ubuntu colors. Please don't suggest using ugly brown colors for a phone. At the moment I like the dark version of the phone but the orange one could use a little change. People will never agree on

Re: Can't flash smaller root-fs through dfu-util?

2007-08-22 Thread Mike Montour
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 GTA01Bv3 # nand erase rootfs Many thanks for your suggestions, but MacOS X has no cu command :-( You can use minicom from the Darwin Ports collection. I've added a section on the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Serial

Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?

2007-08-22 Thread ian douglas
Shawn Rutledge wrote: A lot of people say they want a plain old telephone without so many features, but it doesn't seem very interesting to me, and I'm not sure if they really want that either I've used various cell phones since 1996 and now seeing that it's nearly impossible to buy a phone

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-22 Thread David Pottage
Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML) wrote: Hi, It seems that a big problem we have here in Europe to get Openmoko devices is that the shiping costs are quite high: around 80-100USD !! I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are available, to other Europe countries. I'll buy

Re: mailing list management

2007-08-22 Thread Andre Schmidt
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:31 +0800, Harald Welte wrote: Dear Hank, On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 06:50:03AM -0400, hank williams wrote: While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS, this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I said

Re: Fwd: mailing list management

2007-08-22 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Mike Hodson wrote: Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to the author twice Well, I want you to reply to me twice, reason being that one copy goes into my openmoko folder and the other goes into my inbox. This way, I know this is not just another boring email in the

Re: mailing list management

2007-08-22 Thread Marco Barreno
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 07:31:54PM +0800, thus spake Harald Welte: Dear Hank, On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 06:50:03AM -0400, hank williams wrote: While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS, this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address.

RE: Neo Debug Board Schematics or Pinouts

2007-08-22 Thread Heilpern, Mark
Are these signals TTL level or are they already RS-232? If they are TTL, is there any reason I could not use the BrainStem from Acroname (http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/S13-SERIAL-INT-CONN.html) to overcome this? (That device only uses TXD, RXD, and of course power and ground).

Re: mailing list management

2007-08-22 Thread AVee
On Wednesday 22 August 2007 21:19, Andre Schmidt wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:31 +0800, Harald Welte wrote: I'm not opposed to changing the reply-to for community, if you want that. In fact, I have now changed it. For all other lists I'm a bit less inclined to do it, but would be

tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs

2007-08-22 Thread Myk Melez
I'm trying to build OpenMoko using mokomakefile on Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), and it's dying with the following error: NOTE: Running task 3401 of 3403 (ID: 4, /home/myk/Projects/moko/openembedded/packages/images/openmoko-devel-image.bb, do_rootfs) NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0:

Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs

2007-08-22 Thread Rob Tymensen
Sounds like bug #740 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 -Rob On 8/22/07, Myk Melez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to build OpenMoko using mokomakefile on Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), and it's dying with the following error: NOTE: Running task 3401 of 3403

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread D. Vicario
2007/8/22, Jeremy G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Plus, most of the good radio (for example NPR here in the US) is released in some sort of downloadable format anyway, so anymore I don't see much use for a FM receiver. To listen for streaming radio I MUST pay for the download, and the price of data

Re: Neo Debug Board Schematics or Pinouts

2007-08-22 Thread Joachim Steiger
Heilpern, Mark wrote: Are these signals TTL level or are they already RS-232? If they are TTL, is there any reason I could not use the BrainStem from Acroname (http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/S13-SERIAL-INT-CONN.html) to overcome this? (That device only uses TXD, RXD, and of course

Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs

2007-08-22 Thread Jimmy McMillan
Not to hi-jack your thread, but to rather put together build error threads, I'm having this build problem. Whilst making 2007.2 | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mintee/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2/qt-x11-opensource-src-4.3.0/src/tools/uic3' | g++ -fno-exceptions

Re: RM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Cailan Halliday
not really. It's still somewhat of a strange conception to me why peopel would be interested in listening to hours and hours of crappy commercials interrupted with one or two (mostly crappy, too) songs in between, if they have a choice to listen to their collection of .ogg (and

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Giles Jones
On 22 Aug 2007, at 22:37, D. Vicario wrote: To listen for streaming radio I MUST pay for the download, and the price of data isn't cheap... so, the FM module is the only way, for me, to listen radio. And I see very much use of it. FM is only worth doing if you can also use the FM

Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?

2007-08-22 Thread Dev Anand
I think by Slim Design = EDCability ( and currently lack of features) I may have *mistakenly* suggested that I would be happy with a compromise on features. No, quite on the contrary what I wanted to suggest was to have all the features in as small dense elegant package as possible. But,

T-Mobile, MyFav and OpenMoko

2007-08-22 Thread feydreva
Hello, Do you know if MyFav, from T-mobile will work with OpenMoko ?? I am not sure because if you check the phone list on Tmobile web site, not all of them can handle it. What is the hardware/software needed to have MyFav working ? MyFav is a plan of T-Mobile, where you have 5 predifine

Re: openmoko API Documentation

2007-08-22 Thread chetan nanda
Hi Michel Thanks for this information. Regards, Chetan Nanda - Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it.___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-22 Thread Brad Arnold
On 8/22/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NXP has a FM radio in a 2*3mm package that sits on the I2C bus and has 8 or so external components, to give you a complete FM radio. Some $3 IIRC for the device in quantity. (neglecting the fact that it can complicate EMI) Do you have a

Re: T-Mobile, MyFav and OpenMoko

2007-08-22 Thread Mike Hodson
On 8/22/07, feydreva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Do you know if MyFav, from T-mobile will work with OpenMoko ?? I am not sure because if you check the phone list on Tmobile web site, not all of them can handle it. What is the hardware/software needed to have MyFav working ? This should

Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs

2007-08-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Install the host package which provides the libXext library. The error message is pretty clear about that. -- Rod -Original Message- From: Jimmy McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, Aug 23, 2007 1:27 pm Subject: Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs Not to

Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs

2007-08-22 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 22 sierpnia 2007, Myk Melez napisał: Does anyone know what the problem might be and how to resolve it? mtn pull;mtn update in OE metadata directory. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Could you please speak more slowly? I'm a masochist

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