Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Heikki Sørum
God evening to you a/All. I'd agree that some types of tip a programmer has some problems. It's been tried before and i think it failed miserably.(At least languishes in obscurity). But on the other hand, there might be a hidden gem inside the proposal. Google's Summer of Code has proven to work,

Re: Do we REALLY need a phone?

2008-04-21 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Stefano Cavallari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you just provide some module to access the chosen network, like a SDIO card (probably with a big external part like most wifi ones). I was thinking of a beast like a bluetooth UMTS dongle. There are already USB

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/4/21 Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This tip a programmer idea is very interesting. What does the community think about setting up a site where people can say We'll each donate x amount once y feature is integrated or something of the sort. This way, Openmoko can see what

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
the problem with paying a bounty for these sort of things, is that progammers then end up competing against each other, so are less inclined to share their part-way results, thus potentially slowing down a solution to the problem this was shown quite clearly a couple of years back, with the

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful the focus of the community is now all about $399 vs $400 rather than availability of Freerunner in certain colors. That's the marvel of communities. All it takes is a good topic-starter. :-) and

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 21 April 2008 10:04, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:35:44 +0200, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:35:44 +0200, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6

Re: Do we REALLY need a phone?

2008-04-21 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Monday 21 April 2008 08:54:15 Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Stefano Cavallari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you just provide some module to access the chosen network, like a SDIO card (probably with a big external part like most wifi ones). I was thinking of

Re: Getting Things Done with Openmoko

2008-04-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Hans L wrote: I'm still working on fully implementing these ideas (been setting up my filing/reference system lately), but it seems to me a device running Openmoko would be the perfect place to do much of this organizing/planning/management. And while I'm certainly not holding out for my

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:43:18 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the

Re: turn GSM off?

2008-04-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Peter Kraker wrote: Yes it's possible, you just have to echo 0 to sys interface for gsm power management. Ie: echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on Nowadays it's called fic01 something I think. Just browse around a little bit. Last time i checked there was a button in

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Monday 21 April 2008 02:39:38 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: steve ha scritto: I'll gladly put the price back to $650 which was the first price we released. LOL... BTW for me you can also put the price at 398 for staying a little more far from 399... :P I vote for 398 too, but I'll

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:51:52 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5 It's exactly what PWM is about. No. I do not think he was meaning PWM. I think I

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Stroller
On 20 Apr 2008, at 23:59, Sebastian Reichel wrote: No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :( I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :( Que but the majority of users never use a pouch and you'd be better off using a $30 iPod sock responses. Stroller.

Re: Group Sales in Denmark

2008-04-21 Thread Ulrik Rasmusen
Sweet, we are already five people in Copenhagen :) Ulrik On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 12:49:26PM +0200, Jens Fursund wrote: Just wanted to put the word out! We are five people in Denmark trying to make a group sale, so if anyone is interested please go to the Group Sales wiki-site and put your

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Brandon Kruger
On Sun April 20 2008 8:29:01 pm Nick Guenther wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun April 20 2008 7:27:06 pm Kevin Dean wrote: I'm happy paying $399 for all ye who feel the need to pay $400 to make it even. :P Though, I'll hop on the even

Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port

2008-04-21 Thread Steven Milburn
Good news, you're likely wrong :) Don't project the current draw when on the charger to when on the battery. It's very normal for the charger portion of a PMIC to be extremely in-efficient. I typically see less than 50% efficiency on chargers. The power system will be optimized for running off

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun April 20 2008 8:29:01 pm Nick Guenther wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun April 20 2008 7:27:06 pm Kevin Dean wrote: I'm happy paying $399 for all ye

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and

Re: Getting Things Done with Openmoko

2008-04-21 Thread Steven **
I use tasktoy (http://www.tasktoy.com), which is a GTD compliant todo list. But this is online only. You could probably integrate it with an app on Openmoko fairly easily, since the site supports adding tasks from text messages. It also sends reminders to email address (which could also be a

RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread steve
I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexey Feldgendler Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:05 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45:06 steve wrote: I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. Agreed. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread thomasg
It is always funny to see how the bad marketing works. Still many people out there haven't noticed, that the iPhone doesn't cost 399$. In fact it cost's 399$ + 24 monthly fees hidden behind some included minutes and so on. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Crane, Matthew
Yea, not to mention all the extra crap you gotta pay if you want to have a broad base of sw. These mobile devices are turning into platforms where software fees for dinky little apps are to be the primary source of income for the hardware mfgr, much like game consoles.

RE: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Crane, Matthew
Give me a break. 1) Worst case, no fix, so led is disabled. Phone is therefore useless? Why do you exaggerate? I speculate you are discouraging people so that they also waste there money on an iPhone and therefore partially validate your flawed decision to buy one. 2) Open development

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Kevin Dean
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). If you think your GTA01 is

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Kevin Dean
For the record, my tip a programmer thing was almost pure sarcasm. I find this discussion to be amusing by the level of absurdity in it. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:57 AM, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so first, i also would like to see 400$ instead of 399$, because it's simply a

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread AVee
On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45, steve wrote: I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. And then there also is a hardware solutions. A very generic one, available in any half-decent hardware store. I think they call 'm cutting pliers

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Steven Kurylo
I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :( Que but the majority of users never use a pouch and you'd be better off using a $30 iPod sock responses. Who would say suchs things? Of course I think you *MUST* fit a pony in the box. The freerunner will never be popular without a

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Jonathan Spooner
Oh great so in Europe that will equate to another 4 euros.. were you dropped on your head as a child? Jon Michele Renda wrote: I agree, I'd like to pay for Freerunner 400$ in place of 399$ I alway liked 0 finishing number more than 9 finishing number. I vote for 400$! It is a very

RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread steve
genius -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Powell Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:36 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases On Monday 21 April 2008 10:04, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Mon,

Re: linux-openmoko build error

2008-04-21 Thread MartinG
On 4/12/08, M Nader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant 4194. It is already fixed now. I still get this error (see below). I did try to wipe my whole build directory and started over, but got the same error again (three times). Basically what I did was: $ rm -rf ~/moko/* $ cd ~/moko/ $ wget

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Schmidt András
Why the hell would a geek buy a shiny crap that can play f***ing top hits and show some idiot web pages for 400$. Who cares them??? Features are not why I am interested in Openmoko. Yet unimplemented features are what makes me interested. A geek needs something hackable. Something with

Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Hello Joachim. Thank You for the information. On 4/19/08, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the id pin is connected directly to pin9 of the pmu (adcin1) in addition to that there is one resistor of 100k(1%) to gnd and one of 39k(1%) to pin8 of the pmu (accsw) now everyone should be

Re: Do we REALLY need a phone?

2008-04-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
The problem with small handheld devices is that most of the time it's cheaper to put everything into the device than to create variants. Modularity causes problems with design and space and is also expensive. I also still need a GSM modem and will for a few years. Sure, I'd like to use WLAN,

photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn this into a nice web page with

RE: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger ones? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:38 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: photographs of box and POSSIBLE

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Kosa
too small? They don't fit on my 20 iMac (running linux btw). What kind of monitor do you have? :O I cannot belive my eyes! I'm just too happy for watching this! Thanks Michel Shiloh Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The pictures are too small.

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Kosa
It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger ones? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday,

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Johann Koenig
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! It DOES NOT necessarily include earphones!!! Just wanted to nip this rumor in the bud ... Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ivo Anjo
Yeah, they're pretty big, although the camera seems to be pretty bad. Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with grey, like the 1973 on this picture: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/boxNextTo1973.jpg . Is the shipped version going to be all black? Ivo On

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Jan de Haan
Drool ;-) On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, they're pretty big, although the camera seems to be pretty bad. Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with grey, like the 1973 on this picture:

RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote: The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to create a product where I could pack 10

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
Yes, I'm pretty sure there will only be the pure black color scheme. On 4/21/08, Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, they're pretty big, although the camera seems to be pretty bad. Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with grey, like the 1973 on this picture:

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Please don't read too much into these pictures. They were taken by a poor camera in the hands of an even worse operator (me). Light was imperfect, and reflections abound. I think in one of them you may see a reflection of my dog. This does not mean that every Neo Freerunner comes with a dog

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Burdette
Black on black case is looking great! Glad you're going with that for the freerunner. Michael Shiloh wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Daniel Barkalow wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote: The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to create a product

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread openmoko
Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera doesn't seem to be a very good one ;) Michael Shiloh a écrit : Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions:

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Burdette
I think it has a protective piece of plastic over the screen, for shipping. You can see the tab where you pull off the plastic in one of the photos. Federico Lorenzi wrote: Just from looking at photos, it seems that 02's screen is a lot less reflective then 01? Cheers, Federico On Mon, Apr

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Ian Darwin
No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't read too much into these pictures. They were taken by a poor camera in the hands of an even worse operator (me). Light was imperfect, and reflections abound. I think in one of them you may see a reflection of my dog. This does

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ Thank you. Wow. Finally, something

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera doesn't seem to be a very good one ;) Michael Shiloh a écrit : Remember, Steve is still deciding what to

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Georg Michelitsch
Ivo Anjo wrote on 04/21/2008 10:00 PM: Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with grey, like the 1973 on this picture: Afaik the Neo Freerunner case is totally black, the silver and orange ones have just been the cases for the GTA_01 devices. cu, Georg

RE: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread steve
Kevin, I loved your description about how commerce happens. Its because we disagree, it's because we value things differently, that a trade happens. People agree on a price because they disagree on the value. and that foundational disagreement fuels innovation. So, I like arguments. WRT to

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Al Johnson
Well...it MIGHT include earphones. Please reread Michael's first paragraph. On Monday 21 April 2008, Kosa wrote: It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger ones?

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Just from looking at photos, it seems that 02's screen is a lot less reflective then 01? Cheers, Federico On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The

Re: Getting Things Done with Openmoko

2008-04-21 Thread Oliver Uvman
I am using the really excellent, open source, TRACKS to handle my GTD business. It's an extremely awesome implementation that does pretty much everything. It is web based, so I will be able to use it with my OpenMoko using just the browser. :D It seems to have good APIs, so creating an app that

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner Date: lun 21 apr 08 01:28:18 -0700 Quoting Michael Shiloh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) In exchange for the neo? 8-) Carlo -- * Se la

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread openmoko
lol ok. I give you my cam, you give me your phone* ;) *The neo of course ;) Michael Shiloh a écrit : Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) I have a feeling that Michael will end up with a lot of cameras;) Michael, maybe you should integrate a camera in GTA03 ;) Btw, I am very happy that all you at Openmoko got this far. Soon I get my open(moko) phone (which I dream

Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like Hello Moto, Connecting People, ...) 2) Is there an official Openmoko sound set? Systems sounds, but maybe even a specific song or something? This could also be

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
steve wrote: The phone fits snuggly in a bed of foam, carved precisely to fit its form. Well, looking at the photos taken by Michael (coverOffTrayRemoved*.jpg and coverTrayTriangle*.jpg first of all) it seems that under the phone's bed of foam there's enough space for pushing a pouch, isn't

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like Hello Moto, Connecting People, ...) I think it is Free your phone -- Please don't send me Word or

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Rune Gangstø
Open source is more (or just Open is more) , was the first thing I thougth about when I read this e-mail. I think that a motto for openmoko should contain something about the openness. 2008/4/21, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
I recalled there was already some discussion about this, and after reading through something like 300 mails ( xD ) i found this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007112.html So, free your phone could be dangerous. The fact that the motto should signify openness is

RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Tore Dalaker
There should also be some sort of time controlled switch to turn the blinking leds off at night, because nothing is more annoying than trying to sleep and then some lights starts blinking.. Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards Tore Dalaker Rosenkrantzvegen 19 N-4353 Klepp Stasjon On Mon, 21 Apr

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Philippe Guillebert
ramsesoriginal wrote: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like Hello Moto, Connecting People, ...) 2) Is there an official Openmoko sound set? Systems sounds, but maybe even a specific song or

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free your phone, and the mind will follow Aaargh... we'll all turn insane !!! No, seriously, not a bad idea.. Or Hello Moko just for fun, to see how long motorolla's legal department takes to send a cease and

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Michael Shiloh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera doesn't seem to be a very good one ;) Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) Well, I think the problem isn't on the camera

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
ramsesoriginal wrote: Thank you. Wow. Finally, something real, after all this talking about the freerunners. all that misses now is one of those babys in my hands :D I agree... Finally we can see a box that seems quite ready to be shipped to all us :P, btw good photos of the phone with

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Wilson
Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around somewhere. Ben. Michael Shiloh wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Georg Michelitsch
ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 10:53 PM: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like Hello Moto, Connecting People, ...) 2) Is there an official Openmoko sound set? Systems sounds, but maybe even a

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Richard Guest
Beaten to the punch. +1 for this question. Rich On 22/04/2008, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Georg Michelitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 10:53 PM: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like Hello Moto, Connecting People,

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Burdette
How about got my moko working. Then you could have a red flannel bag for your 'moko hand'. Moko is HD (hoodoo) enabled! http://www.luckymojo.com/mojo.html ramsesoriginal wrote: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/4/22 Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around somewhere. i'm not sure of the exact situation, and

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/4/22 Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Free your phone, and the mind will follow cool, lyrics by en vogue/george clinton 'free your mind, don't be so shallow free your mind, and the rest will follow' well, nearly... ___ Openmoko community

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Wilson
Good point Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/22 Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around somewhere.

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
Wow. .cool.. i not only (finally) discovered what mojo means, but i also liek the idea :D On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about got my moko working. Then you could have a red flannel bag for your 'moko hand'. Moko is HD (hoodoo) enabled!

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Georg Michelitsch
ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 11:48 PM: Concerning the soundset (if I understood right you meant something like a standard sound for the phone-startup as a lot of other companies pratice) I think a human voice saying Openmoko - Open mobile communication would be a nice alternation to

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Georg Michelitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 11:48 PM: Concerning the soundset (if I understood right you meant something like a standard sound for the phone-startup as a lot of other companies pratice) I think a

Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, I'm happy to announce the final Google Summer of Code slot allocation for Openmoko. 10 projects will be funded this year which is quite an improvement over the 3 we had in 2007. Lets make it rock. :-) So here are the projects that we will take on during this years Summer of Code:

Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, I'm happy to announce the final Google Summer of Code slot allocation for Openmoko. 10 projects will be funded this year which is quite an improvement over the 3 we had in 2007. Lets make it rock. :-) So here are the projects that we will take on during this years Summer of Code:

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Steven Le Roux
Really great news !! Congratulation ! Let's work on ! On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm happy to announce the final Google Summer of Code slot allocation for Openmoko. 10 projects will be funded this year which is quite an improvement

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Michele Renda
1 $ = 0.70 euro + tva = 0.84 euro != 4 euro Jonathan Spooner wrote: Oh great so in Europe that will equate to another 4 euros.. were you dropped on your head as a child? Jon Michele Renda wrote: I agree, I'd like to pay for Freerunner 400$ in place of 399$ I alway liked 0 finishing

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread ian douglas
Daniel Willmann wrote: IM/VoIP using telepathy I'm hoping you meant telephony? Or is Google seriously funding some sort of telekenesis projects? ;o) -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Joseph Jon Booker
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:51:17 -0700 ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: IM/VoIP using telepathy I'm hoping you meant telephony? Or is Google seriously funding some sort of telekenesis projects? ;o) -id ___ Openmoko

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Kevin Dean
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Georg Michelitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Concerning the soundset (if I understood right you meant something like a standard sound for the phone-startup as a lot of other companies pratice) I think a human voice saying Openmoko - Open mobile communication

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread ian douglas
Ah, thanks for the correction. Joseph Jon Booker wrote: IM/VoIP using telepathy http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Charles Edward Pax
We always see unboxing videos for new products. How about making a boxing video for the Freerunner before it's released? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Jimenez
Related to making openmoko gear - is there vector art of the logo somewhere? I checked the wiki and couldn't find a reference, and checked downloads.openmoko.com and again came up empty. Inquiring minds want to know! Also, if it is published, we'd probably want some kind of license to use it that

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Alex Maxious Sadleir
There's vector (EPS format?) logos and the conditions for using them on the wiki; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy Note that for most community purposes (creating software or community webpages) the artwork is free to use but explicit permission is required for several cases

Re: Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Jeremy List
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/22 Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an

Do we REALLY need a phone?

2008-04-21 Thread Jeremy List
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The problem with small handheld devices is that most of the time it's cheaper to put everything into the device than to create variants. Modularity causes problems with design and space and is also expensive. I also still need a GSM modem and

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Sebastian Busse
Great idea, you got my vote for that ;-) greets Sebastian Charles Edward Pax wrote: We always see unboxing videos for new products. How about making a boxing video for the Freerunner before it's released? -Charles