2008/11/21 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As Raster's already pushed hard on Glamo acceleration, and I know he's
quite capable (I was an old enlightenment WM user back in the day), I
consider the glamo issue closed. We're stuck with what we have, and
simply have to find ways to be efficient
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/11/21 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
I'm taking a protective role for the community in all this. IMHO the
community's what makes the OM phone interesting. I'd rather not see
well-intentioned hackers spend long
Leonti Bielski wrote:
Hi!
As in the subject - is there any connection manager available for
Freerunner to switch and manage between WiFi, GPRS and usb?
I've seen connection manager in Illume, but it seems to be empty. What
is left to implement to get it working?
Are there any alternatives?
Hi,
i've used FDOM(great distro) for just a while and the only thing I
didn't like was the really slow rotate app.
So here is a slightly faster one.
The source is in a bazaar repository.
It can be get from here:
https://turmspitze.org/pubbzr/rotate
I will build binaries on request.
After I set my driver to Xglamo, [ctrl]+[alt]+[x] no longer launches xterm.
How do I get it back? Alternatively, i can maybe just customize ./xsession
so xterm starts automatically. Any idea?
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Eindhoven University of
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:12, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:16, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Just a question before trying these files: do they allow to play media like
before?
well I don't know since I have never tried playing media...
Have you tried ? And
Actually, with Xglamo, [alt]+[tab] also doesn't work. I guess i'm returning
to fbdev for now.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Neil Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
ahh, so it was Xglamo that did that (ive been at a confrence and
havent had time to look discovered i have the no wake from
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:43:14PM +0100, Moritz Bitsch wrote:
Hi,
i've used FDOM(great distro) for just a while and the only thing I
didn't like was the really slow rotate app.
So here is a slightly faster one.
The source is in a bazaar repository.
It can be get from here:
2008/11/20 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it's accelerated - but likely polling the command queue status as you have
no
interrupts thanks to the linux kernel's policy of not exporting interrupts
to
userspace, so you're stuck with a poll loop. i can't remember if glamo had
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| so right now other than bugs and trying to minimise cpu overhead on
handling
| the commandqueue 2d is done - it's not getting faster. only thing
left is 3d.
| and that comes with a long list of gotchas.
I can't seem to find a link to download the images (kernel File
System) of FSO Milestone 4 either on the openmoko wiki pages or on
freesmartphone wiki either. Does this have to be built from scratch or
are there pre-built images?
Thanks for any help
ahh, so it was Xglamo that did that (ive been at a confrence and
havent had time to look discovered i have the no wake from suspend
bug after a format, lol bad timing.)
just putting xterm in ./xsession works for me I have two starting on
login. unfortunatly i cant help you any further (i
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:01:08PM +, Arigead wrote:
I can't seem to find a link to download the images (kernel File
System) of FSO Milestone 4 either on the openmoko wiki pages or on
freesmartphone wiki either. Does this have to be built from scratch or
are there pre-built images?
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:59 +0100 Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
2008/11/20 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it's accelerated - but likely polling the command queue status as you have
no
interrupts thanks to the linux kernel's policy of not exporting interrupts
^^
http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/
Arigead wrote:
I can't seem to find a link to download the images (kernel File
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Hi,
all this talking without outcome is very boring to read. :|
I cannot help with the development of a free 3D-capable driver for the
Glamo directly instead I offer money!
As soon as cofundos.org is working again (I hope they haven't shut it
down) I will create a project and offer 50€ to the
Update!
Hi,
I am also open for alternative payments like a box of beer, wine or
whatever.
After all this is all about having fun, isn't it? :)
Regards
Robert
Robert Schuster schrieb:
Hi,
all this talking without outcome is very boring to read. :|
I cannot help with the development of a
i'm willing to send some good belgian beer
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Update!
Hi,
I am also open for alternative payments like a box of beer, wine or
whatever.
After all this is all about having fun, isn't it? :)
Regards
Robert
Robert
Hi,
it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would
prefer to use
on their future OpenMoko device.
A not so scientific survey can be found at:
http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html
Best regards
Anton Persson
2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client app will
stop
and wait until x replies. x will reply once it has completed all existing
requests - that means the XCopeArea. while your app is waiting xglamo is
Vikas Saurabh wrote:
I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone
might get excited with iPhone's UI.
What we would have to remember:
* capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all
the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole
I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone
might get excited with iPhone's UI.
What we would have to remember:
* capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all
the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun
of high reso is
Then a capacitive screen would do wonders for motivating the development
of proper finger-input on the keypad... ;-D
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vikas Saurabh wrote:
I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone
might get
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for the same screen as currently used or at least the same
quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is
pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes
pretty much failed)
Same for me:
1. Bigger
harald welte did good for via:
http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/pressrelease.jsp?press_release_no=2887
let's ship him to smedia :)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XSync sends a request
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:47 AM, François Rigaudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Same problem for me with the same french operator.
I receive those SMS (_@ or _/\@) when I have a message in my voice-mailbox.
Clearly they should be interpreted by the phone to indicate that a new
message is
Michele Renda wrote:
[...]
Same for me:
1. Bigger screen (With this resolution we can permit)
2. Same resolution ( I like it a lot :)
3. Current touch technology
And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are
sections unavailable on the screen because there is this
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|
| XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client
| app will stop
| and wait until x
I went to get mwester kernel and modules
Currently i run qtextended from SD card (my flashed distro is FDOM)
following the How-to on wiki, so I have
/dev/mmcblk0p1 that contains uImage.bin and /dev/mmcblk0p2 thta contains
flatted jffs2 image
I overwrited the kernel image (uImage.bin) that I had
IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as
convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res
or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is
finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device.
There
Am Friday 21 November 2008 14:58:47 schrieb Lech Karol Pawłaszek:
And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are
sections unavailable on the screen because there is this plastic border.
I suppose it would be possible to make borderless case so my point be
invalid...
If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other
damaging
things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be
preferable.
Best regards,
Anton
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Michele Renda
Al Iasid ha scritto:
IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not
nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I
don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as
the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most
nothing a good screenprotector can't prevent
2008/11/21 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other
damaging
things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be
preferable.
Best regards,
Anton
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
nothing a good screenprotector can't prevent
2008/11/21 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other
damaging
things to happen to the display... In that case
Hi Yann.
Should I press the button twice? once?
I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work for
me. Is there any tricky around that?
Thanks,
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On 20/11/2008, at 22:05, Yann neveu wrote:
Le jeudi 20 novembre 2008 21:23:33 Yann neveu, vous avez écrit :
Le
My two reais.
My choince is a capacitive screen, and we must consider the user
finger interaction when developing applications.
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget, what we
NEED is an easy way to handle the phone, carry a stylus should not be
a good idea, is a step
Larger screen.
More real estate for a keyboard, basically, the current ones are just on the
boundary of unusable with a finger and anything bigger would take up too
much space; you need a comfortable amount of space for the application and
the on screen input.
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I've built a small binary package. It can be get from here:
https://turmspitze.org/files/rotate_0.0.1_armv4t.ipk
A Source package can be get from here:
https://turmspitze.org/files/rotate-0.0.1.tar.gz
Moritz
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Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with
a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there
for a resistive screen?
Best regards,
Anton
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL
PROTECTED]wrote:
I agree
maybe it's just me,
but the pictures on http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php seem to
indicate that this is one big mother fucker of a stylus, i mean, the
diameter of the stylusis is almost as big as the surface of the tip of
you fingers you use to click... (keep in mind you use an area with a
Denis Galvo wrote:
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
I could not possibly disagree more strongly.
Ken Young
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Novelty-factor? Have you ever used an iPhone for a longer period? I know
several
people who own one now , and they would _NEVER_ turn back to anything like
a
stylus controlled device, again. I really would _LOVE_ an iPhone, if it came
with
Free Software...
But the novelty factor-argument has
Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of
a capacitive display.. So that's no argument for the classic type...
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Denis Galvo wrote:
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:50 -0200,
Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Hi Yann.
Should I press the button twice? once?
I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work
for me. Is there any tricky around that?
Should be juste one on the power button.
Have you
2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as
convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res
or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is
finger-friendly. The cell phone
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote:
2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as
convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res
or low res - or big or small screen
To just view the current standings in the poll:
http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/509337-120694
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL
PROTECTED]wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote:
2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit.
The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution
matters too.
And even more important. Price and availability.
What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises
are you ready to
I don't care about the poll. I care about a rich user experience, and
what the iPhone has of best is not due to the touchscreen (with the
exception of physical area and no huge border)
:)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 05:13:50PM +0100, Anton Persson wrote:
To just view the current standings in the
Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Novelty-factor? Have you ever used an iPhone for a longer period? I
know several
people who own one now , and they would _NEVER_ turn back to
anything like a
stylus controlled device, again. I really would _LOVE_ an iPhone, if
it came with
Free
Yann neveu-2 wrote:
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:50 -0200,
Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Hi Yann.
Should I press the button twice? once?
I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work
for me. Is there any tricky around that?
Should be juste one on
On 21/11/2008, at 13:36, Yann Neveu wrote:
The Phone.apk is on the phone end not on the usd?
It is on the app dir on the SD.
Am I wrong doing that?
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On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote:
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
I could not possibly disagree more strongly.
So, give me a reason where you will need that.
Denis.
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Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:36:26 +0100,
Yann Neveu [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:50 -0200,
Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Hi Yann.
Should I press the button twice? once?
I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work
for me. Is
And I'm not sure that multi touch is really so important and the low res
I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the
form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in
my experience.
So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:49:06 -0200,
Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
It is on the app dir on the SD.
Am I wrong doing that?
Yes, it shoul overwrite the system one, you've to enable rw mount in
init.rc. You can install another distro on usd, boot on it to modify
init.rc, see some
Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of
Actually, the high-res is one of the highlights of the FR for me. So,
while I don't need 280dpi, I wouldn't settle for less than 200dpi for
a gadget I hold so close to my eyes.
Stefan
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:01 -0800 (PST),
akurpiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
With new Phone.apk answer is working for me, but I cant end call -
power button give me
dial keyboard, not previous menu.
Yes, just added a hook for the answer, not for the end call :) Anyway,
without
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 01:16:36PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the
form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in
my experience.
Apple has handled that quite nicely for a long time with one button
mice. But I
(sorry for my bad english)
hi, i write here for announce the first release of TwitterMoko, a simple
Twitter client for openmoko
you can find here http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/twittermoko/
Hi I'm Carlo Minucci, you may remember me for application like gtkaddpoi
or gpsdcontrol... :)
Denis Galvao wrote:
On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote:
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
I could not possibly disagree more strongly.
So, give me a reason where you will need that.
As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is
relatively easy for
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:10:00 +0100, julien cubizolles
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I just installed FSO and I'm quite happy with it : it seems the most
reponsive distribution I have yet used. I still have some questions :
Addressbook : Is there a way to import a former qtopia sqlite file ? I
lol :D
drac2000 escribió:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p
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Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
[...]
my experience is different. i didn't try iPhone myself, though. (i
refuse to use anything from a company like apple,) but i know two people
Well. I have used iPhone for a while. It is indeed quite nice. Easy to
learn and fun to use.
with iPhones and both
OK, let's compare the number of sold units... How many iPhone 2G and 3G have
been sold? I figure it's quite a lot...
Of course you have to consider what compromises you have to make. What have
apple surrendered when they selected the capacitive screen instead of the
resistive? What have they
drac2000 wrote:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p
That's awesome.
I pledge 10,000 imaginary internet lulz to the first person to come up
with a *funny* joke where openmoko/the freerunner isn't the butt of the
joke.. :)
Tim
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+1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows
people's minds away atm...
2008/11/21 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Denis Galvao wrote:
On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote:
Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
I could not possibly disagree more
You mean, the only thing that truly blows them away is the resolution
of the screen... Which you can have with any type of modern LCD panel,
can you not?
/Anton
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Thorben Krueger
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
+1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that
Those are awesome!
I'm glad OM users have healthy sense of humor :)
Leonti
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
drac2000 wrote:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p
That's awesome.
I pledge 10,000 imaginary internet
sorry for being imprecise. I was referring to the amazing resolution
considering the size of the display. The freerunner got 300 dpi IIRC.
For comparison, the iphone only seems to have 160.
I usually demo the crispness (if you will) of my neo's screen using
top on the terminal at the smallest
That would be great, especially for guys in the community who
want to start a repair business.
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Am Mo 17. November 2008 schrieb robert lazarski:
Hi all,
I'm about to buy an openmoko, as I finally have some time and cash.
However, my understanding is that the latest
Big resolution means better image quality.
We can run qvga apps on our vga screen, don't we? But how can we run
vga apps on qvga screen?
VGA screen is a step forward, QVGA is a step backward. For me it's clear.
Leonti
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Thorben Krueger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do we need capacitive display?
We still are not going to solve hanging up during the call - because
capacitive screen does it too - the only way to avoid that is by doing
it in software.
Someone said - it will be a good motivation to make programs more
finger-friendly. What I like about
Dear community,
Not much to say this week. Most of the work we did could be seen
by querying docs.openmoko.org with keyword 'Om2008.11' and the commit
logs.
Overall, Olv pushed his boot time enhancements (#69), so it will be in
testing repo. Tick enhanced etk scroll list (#2031) and is working
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 13:16 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source
of input. It could be buttons on the sides (e.g. I could imagine
a phone where you use one hand for the touchscreen while the other hand
holds the phone and can
2008/11/21 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Graeme seems to be planning to do his xorg version of Xglamo partially
in kernelspace to unify the locking, that would be when to do this too.
The Glamo's interrupt itself is supported and working, it's the basis
for the same waiting strategy (yielding
Alastair Johnson wrote:
Or you could follow
Joel Newkirk's simple lightweight configuration described at
http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking
About this... Have you tried it?
Does it fix the most common network issues?
Thanks...
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Hi,
I think this is the best argument for the need of a precision stylus yet.
However, as I see it, if you make this argument it means that you want
a phone that works just like your desktop computer, but which you can
carry along easily.. Maybe an EeePC is better suited?
The current OpenMoko
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