On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:27:00PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard
There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
inverted to each other?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com
wrote:
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com said:
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
he's smoking crack. his logic (that
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neove...@freerunner spa...@ymail.comwrote:
There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
inverted to each other?
The article says that each triangular key has significantly more dead space
around it than you’d find on a standard Qwerty
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:51:50 +0200 Mathieu Rochette math...@gmail.com said:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neove...@freerunner spa...@ymail.comwrote:
There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
inverted to each other?
The article says that each triangular
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com
said:
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
i'm not totally convinced, but it would be
Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion?
that's how i understood it.
My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about
in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD
and causing mail congestion.
what exactly is
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:16:21 +0200 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm said:
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com
said:
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
Hi to all,
In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and I find
it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one hand. The only
problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only horizontally but also
vertically.
Keep up the good work, C_C!
Regards,
Mitko
Dear all ,
In order to easy development of software and vertical solutions using
Neo FreeRunner, we have update our catalog offeing the Neo FreeRunner
in tree different versions.
Devel Version(A6) at 229 EUR
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A6 and A7 no need
In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
horizontally but also vertically.
yes, i was looking at the same scroll bar used in illume
2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com:
Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way? Not
that it would matter regarding A7, since A6+ is equivalent, but
interested if A7 production runs
2009/6/3 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com:
2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com:
Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way?
Not a lot of but I have a few ready to ship, and I of
Hi
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
thedifference is that if you are
not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted when
its
a square. then you aways get a press - the question is - are
There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
inverted to each other?
I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea of the design ;)
Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing your
monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an
i'm still undecided...
although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key instead of no key
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote:
There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
inverted to each other?
I think the fact
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
u seriously doubt that. mis-pressing keys will also make you want to hi them
more accurately too. it applies to both cases. thedifference is that if you
are
not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted when
its
a
I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other
keys
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because
it takes ages to type something up with that. Hitting a key twice because
Hi;
I am finding a lot of improvements in this latest version; and I have
not been able to try a lot of them, due to lack of time. however I
have changed the keyboard (attached). The main reason was that some
keys were not there. Especially some that I needed. e.g. backslash I
now have on it all
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because
it
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com said:
I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:01:18 +1200 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com said:
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
u seriously doubt that. mis-pressing keys will also make you want to hi them
more accurately too. it applies to both cases. thedifference is that if you
are not
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:43:42PM +0200, Mathieu Rochette wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
anyway.
Hi Clare,
thanks for your efforts :)
The next neovento version will include a small configuration program which
will allow you to switch between the keyboard layouts.
The numpad issue is something we could not solve. With the most recent
matchbox keyboard you could use different layouts on
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
you
intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now
dead
space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u
have
What about first building a decent keyboard with normal keys and then dream
about triangular keys glory?
Such a triangular keyboard uses lots of space, maybe twice the space of a
normal keyboard. That's certainly not useful on the small freerunner screen
which is also cramped by the casing
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:10:49PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
trying it.
Is it because of allergy to patents?
No, it's the general allergy to being sued for
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:49 +0200 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm said:
I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
trying it.
i theorize because hat's what i've done for decades doing code, ui etc. i sit
and think about how something will work months or years
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT) neove...@freerunner
spa...@ymail.com said:
What about first building a decent keyboard with normal keys and then dream
about triangular keys glory?
Such a triangular keyboard uses lots of space, maybe twice the space of a
normal keyboard. That's
hi,
i have some really annoying troubles with the illume keyboard.
it doesn't remember i have made it show once i switch windows and this
gets really annoying. is there a way for it to remember it's state for
a window?
imagine a typical situation - retyping from one window to another:
open
A bit off topic, but what about generating a dictionary out of:
* Sent and received sms's. I want to dict that is a mix between, english,
norwegian and spanish
* add the $PATH to the dict, so it's at easy to write small commands in the
terminal.
-fredrik-
Makes sense - I'll try to come up with a few in the next couple of days. I
guess drop 'em in a directory like /usr/share/wallpapers? then you can
make that the default folder to browse in your prefs UI?
For the category picker - how much work would it be to maintain both modes
and let the
Hi all
Another idea to use the triangles but without dead spaces (so compatible
with small screen)
What about alternate orientations for each key, a bit like this:
/q\w/e\r/t\y/...
This way you have more space in the top on w, r and y, and more space on the
bottom for q, e and t. I mean more
On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:43:42PM +0200, Mathieu Rochette wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I
didn't bother to find a
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:39:08 -0300 fredrik normann
fredrik.normann.j...@gmail.com said:
A bit off topic, but what about generating a dictionary out of:
* Sent and received sms's. I want to dict that is a mix between, english,
norwegian and spanish
* add the $PATH to the dict, so it's at
I Wonder if you actually need to implement a visual triangle or if a
triangular touch area would work just as well?
And I wonder how tighly the patent is written around the concept of a
triangle.. Perhaps shave off a tiny prtion of the tip of the triangle
and you have a parallelogram... hmm
Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way you will be
more careful in where you tap your finger..
Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more
failed keypresses..im touching put nothing is happening...
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 3
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
horizontally but also vertically.
Hi
It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent keyboard
for the freerunner within one year.
I did try the list of keyboards last year
and couldnt live with them. But the current one - shipping
with om2009 - is pretty good. Even with fingers.
So, there's been progress..
A7 is sitting at the factory waiting for orders
Timo Jyrinki wrote:
2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com:
Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way? Not
that it would matter
hummm... no reaction to my /q\w/e\r/t\y/ idea ;) ?
2009/6/3 pike pike-openm...@kw.nl
Hi
It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent
keyboard
for the freerunner within one year.
I did try the list of keyboards last year
and couldnt live with them. But the
2009/6/3 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com
Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way you will be
more careful in where you tap your finger..
Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more
failed keypresses..im touching put nothing is happening...
If
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:49:01 Michael Zanetti wrote:
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
hand. The only problem I found so far is
yes, you substitute one error for the other. the issue is the probablity
of those errors and the time to correct..
no harm in testing the approach, if somebody has time on their hands
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com said:
before you test you need a good theory. that way you know what data to
collect. raster has a theory why it wont be better. That's a testable
theory, I think.
Michal Brzozowski wrote:
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than
Sean, thanks for the update !
It is unfortunate that Openmoko Inc. cannot presently continue to
lead the development of the open phone. But then, many a great
undertaking has required more than one effort before reaching its
goal. Anything that brings us closer to that goal is a success in
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:49 +0200 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm said:
I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
trying it.
i theorize because hat's what i've done for decades doing code, ui etc. i sit
and
Doug Jones wrote:
Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective
memory have a hole in it?
Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with From.
Not sure where the rest ended up ...
- Werner
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Openmoko community
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:12 -0700 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com said:
yep. triple damages. When doing 3D graphics we NEVER looked at
patents, otherwise we couldnt build shit.
oh indeed. the only way to go is plead ignorance. if it comes to court without
a cease and desist you will very
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:08:51 -0700 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com said:
indeed. i believe its not worth bothering. so i am not going to invest any
time into trying it (to try it i'd have to build it... and that will use time)
as my theorising says to me it wont help. if someone else who thinks
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:43:29 -0700 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com said:
I Wonder if you actually need to implement a visual triangle or if a
triangular touch area would work just as well?
And I wonder how tighly the patent is written around the concept of a
triangle.. Perhaps shave off a
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:05:12 -0700 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com said:
indeed. if there is a lot of deadspace where no hit happens its then even
harder for a corrective algo + dict to work as often u will tap and nothing
happens (it happens often enough on the gta02if you use a finger. using
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:58:57 +0200 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm said:
2009/6/3 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com
Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way you will be
more careful in where you tap your finger..
Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:12 -0700 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com said:
yep. triple damages. When doing 3D graphics we NEVER looked at
patents, otherwise we couldnt build shit.
oh indeed. the only way to go is plead ignorance. if it
yep. you have to vary a whole host of test conditions.
Subjects: those with touch screen experience: those without
Order of presentation:
Size of subjects finger
How they type..for me I've always struggled between being a thumb typer and
and index finger typer.. neither works for me very
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
Doug Jones wrote:
Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective
memory have a hole in it?
Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with From.
Not sure where the rest ended up ...
It
Thanks for your update, Sean!
It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks).
I'm happy to see this transition and
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
horizontally but also vertically.
On Wednesday 03 June 2009, pike wrote:
Hi
It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent
keyboard for the freerunner within one year.
I did try the list of keyboards last year
and couldnt live with them. But the current one - shipping
with om2009 - is pretty good.
Hi
But the current one - shipping
with om2009 - is pretty good.
..
What keyboard is it anyway ? Is it listed here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate ?
It's the Illume one.
It's Rasters ? Good job. It works.
thanks,
*-pike
Hi,
OpenMitko wrote:
The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only horizontally
but also
vertically.
Can't seem to change that from 'C'. Any ideas elementary gurus ?
Warren Baird-2 wrote:
Makes sense - I'll try to come up with a few in the next couple of days. I
guess
drop
Hi,
Just a thought. Isn't the drop down list easy enough to use with a single
hand? I can manage that.
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roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
I booted from flash and SD card for quite some time.
I think it's best to consider Qi as an SD-centric solution and to
plan migrating towards SD.
NAND support is only there because of the GTA01/GTA02 legacy and it
has limitations compared to SD. While technically
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