Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Ben Wong
 My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread carmen
difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with mass collaboration. how so? iphone/pre/blackberry/winmo all offer similarly

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread a dehqan
In The name Of God Thanks alot for your attentoins ; On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Ken Youngr...@cfa.harvard.edu wrote: dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that . I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko

Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-06 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:42:51 +1000 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:56:14 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a stable 2.6.28-based kernel? It's 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 - much older! 2.6.24? Hmmm ...

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread Ben Wong
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote: I was a c++ PHP programmer before but now i'm not ; and should someone be a pro programmer to use openmoko ? You do not need to be a professional programmer to use the Freerunner. How about keyboard? Is it possible to use

Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-06 Thread Vincent MEURISSE
On Saturday 06 June 2009 09:27:06 Harald Welte wrote: This would mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties, They would have to pay for every single audio codec but also for videos, file systems, network protocol… -- Vincent MEURISSE

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Saturday 06 June 2009 10:29:46 Ben Wong wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote: I was a c++ PHP programmer before but now i'm not ; and should someone be a pro programmer to use openmoko ? You do not need to be a professional programmer to use the

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 6/6/09, Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Youngr...@cfa.harvard.edu wrote: dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I'm not programmer and maybe can not do anything for

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread Ben Wong
You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) Oh, neat. That's the way I had expected it to work. I think there may be a small bug. If I press in the empty part of the text box, nothing happens. I had to click very close to

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
Well, it works good for me ;x Do you have latest -unstable? On 6/6/09, Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net wrote: You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) Oh, neat. That's the way I had expected it to work. I think

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread Ben Wong
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it works good for me ;x Do you have latest -unstable? Ah, that's my problem. I'm using shr-testing. Thanks, again! --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list

gtkaddpoi 0.7 is out

2009-06-06 Thread Carlo Minucci
i have fix some bug * now work with tangogps empty table * work if latitude or longitude integer number is minor of 10 * query don't fail is there is a / in the address or name http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gtkaddpoi ___ Openmoko community mailing

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Dale, The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality. If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dale Schumacher wrote: If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and demoralized) volunteers. You can view the situation also as an

Re: RFC Using MPX for accelerometers

2009-06-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:59:48 +0200 Abelenda diego.abele...@gmail.com said: I've had an idea that might not be so bad. MPX is due for the next release of Xorg, so why not use it for the accelerometers, it could create a somewhat standard interface for the applications (think about

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote: The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making new ones ;-) - Werner Lovely, made me laugh which was needed after all that. I

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-06 Thread roguemoko
On 3/06/2009 6:32 PM, arne anka wrote: Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion? that's how i understood it. Well you'd be wrong again. There's an old saying about assumptions but I'll leave that up to you to research, or you could just take a stab at it as you

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Ben Wong wrote: My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. Not to disagree, I'd

Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-06 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is required to apply for a

Re: MP3 patents

2009-06-06 Thread Radek Polak
Pieter Colpaert wrote: let's create a music uploader for OM2009 SHR (on your pc: so should have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws): The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc, no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread swap38
Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us somewhere where most of us want to go. Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ? It can be a good way to manage projects, communities ... and maybe money ? ;-) --

Paroli introduction video

2009-06-06 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Dear list, Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video, where I present all the basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can point the newcomers to. I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed to cut off. The video is not

Freerunner with buzz fix applied for sale in the UK. £99, no reserve on eBay.

2009-06-06 Thread Peter Strapp
Hi all, For those who are looking for a Freerunner in the UK, I have mine (with buzz fix applied) listed for sale on eBay.co.uk. It has a start price of £99 and no reserve. More info can be found at: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190312832538 Regards, Peter.

Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-06 Thread Steve Mosher
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: 2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt timschm...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely

Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-06 Thread Steve Mosher
Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread GNUtoo
On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 15:59 +0200, swap38 wrote: Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us somewhere where most of us want to go. Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ? It can be a good way to

Re: MP3 patents

2009-06-06 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Radek Polak wrote: Btw while you can avoid patents with mp3-ogg it's still not possible to do the same for avi, because FR cant play theora vides full screen now (or someone please prove me that i am wrong :) We _might_ be in the clear with h264 when playback is

Linux International and Openmoko

2009-06-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Hello, I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko. Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services for the Linux community. It was started as a vendor organization, at a time when

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread swap38
Steve Mosher a écrit : Community, To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? Hi Steve, I created this page (just a draft) :

[ALL] Tango GPS tracking sample rate

2009-06-06 Thread error
Hi All, I am looking to use the Tango GPS to track a trip. When using the tracking feature it samples at position per second which creates a very large file over an 8 hour trip. Is there a config file that I can change to take a sample maybe every minute or 5 minutes? Thanks.. Lee --

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-06 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote: now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can not

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-06 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:15, Rask Ingemann Lambertsenr...@sygehus.dk wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote: now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-06 Thread arne anka
now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can not be read. Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-06 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:42, arne ankaopenm...@ginguppin.de wrote: now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability, because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options can

Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli

2009-06-06 Thread pike
Hi I'm keeping a list of a few optimisations i can think of; i'll fill it over the next few days; .. and i'll add them as a 'design concept', if that seems appropriate. I haven't really done that; but instead, I've been translating my 'few optimisations' into a 'few mockups' and added

Palm Pre style iPod spoofing

2009-06-06 Thread Jan Keymeulen
Maybe you've all heard about Palm's answer to the iPhone, the Palm Pre, is spoofing the iPod when connected through USB, so one can use iTunes to sync music with it. Could this be done with our Neo's? I don't suppose it should be that hard, something like switching between usb networking and usb

Re: Paroli introduction video

2009-06-06 Thread fredrik normann
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.vimeo.com/5029019 Feedbacks? Nice lowtech hitech vid. Dugged http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_cellphone_running_Paroli_phoneapp -fredrik-

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread a dehqan
In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; Input method just means a way of typing characters that are not on your keyboard.  For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the Iranian standard for keyboards[2]:  

Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli

2009-06-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Hey great! All 'design guidelines' and things like that are great! I'd like you to explain more of what's happening in the screenshots. Tell what is new, why have you done it, what's the thinking behind it etc. I'll try to come back to this later, hope someone will answer to you,too. r -- |

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-06 Thread Angus Ainslie
On June 5, 2009 02:31:16 am Patryk Benderz wrote: Looks like these: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ are the same images i downloaded last time, May 21st. Am i looking for them at right place? The testing images haven't changed but the unstable ones have had

Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-06 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 22:22, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote: You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where you want to select, cut, copy or paste :) No ,messages should be typed whenever is needed and often can not be ready beforehand. I mean copying and pasting in

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-06 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 23:31, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I've had better luck starting with http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state - it's one of several that I've seen identified as 'the one true statefile'... If you still get buzz, then

Replying to messages (Was: Fundamental Qi question)

2009-06-06 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 09:13:20PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Now imagine i see a message from some person, with some ML (i'm subscribed to Cc'd). Also there's like 5 persons in Cc list, that are addressed explicitly because they have something to do with the topic (like they're subsystem

Re: Paroli introduction video

2009-06-06 Thread Steffen Winkler
Wow, nice video. And sure a lot of work (painting all the papers). Nice idea ;) Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: Dear list, Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video, where I present all the basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of

Re: Linux International and Openmoko

2009-06-06 Thread swap38
Jon 'maddog' Hall a écrit : Hello, (...) Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a

Re: Mailing list glitch?

2009-06-06 Thread Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 05.06.2009 20:08, Doug Jones schrieb: Harald Welte wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: Doug Jones wrote: Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective memory have a hole in it?

Re: Linux International and Openmoko

2009-06-06 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Jon, I like the idea and as swap38, you can count on me as member and I will do my best as I allways try. 2009/6/7 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org: Jon 'maddog' Hall a écrit : Hello, (...) Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko.  This

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-06 Thread Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 30.05.2009 15:17, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller schrieb: Am 29.05.2009 um 17:24 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: I should add the status of the Buzz-Rework: * I have received back today all devices that we have received so far until approx.

Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22

2009-06-06 Thread Steven **
On SHR-Testing (from May 2nd image), I get the following error with this version (after creating all the needed symlinks to get the launcher to actually start): launcher: symbol lookup error: launcher: undefined symbol: elm_scroller_bounce_set Do I have a different/wrong version of elementary?

Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?

2009-06-06 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/6/7 Mike mike...@gmail.com: I would like to use a Linux-based open-hardware phone for my phone communications. I would like to try Neo Freerunner. How do I do that? Namely: 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to subscribe to? must be gsm, any will do, i

Re: Linux International and Openmoko

2009-06-06 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hallmad...@li.org wrote: Hello, I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko. Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services for the