Re: [Gta04-owner] Status GTA04 GroupTour

2011-12-30 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/12/29 Neal H. Walfield n...@walfield.org: First, if someone orders a GTA04, that person doesn't get all the hardware--that person needs to have a GTA01 or GTA02 and do some non-trivial assembly.  I realize that you have some cases that you are selling, which is the route that I went, but

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-30 Thread urodelo
froyo can't be considered stable (at least as a stable release of a linux distro). However, I use the nand version as my daily phone, knowing some troubles can occur, but without too many problems. Speed for froyo is not its strong point, but it is acceptable if you don't ask to play Call of

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-30 Thread Neil Jerram
Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me. Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to keep reminding people it also exists ;-) Yes, please do! The community is small enough as

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Great Thanks! Although i have some professional background in product management/marketing I simply have no time left to care for marketing... And marketing communication without a product is pointless. So I did devote my time mostly on getting the product into our hands. So if we find

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 30.12.2011 um 14:14 schrieb Neil Jerram: Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me. Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to keep reminding people it also exists ;-)

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 29 December 2011 22:39:01 Alishams Hassam wrote: Things to mention: 1. The GTA04 *requires* an FR / NEO1974. This should serve as a request to get people who have these collecting dust, selling them online. Maybe this should be made more explicit? This isn't strictly true. The

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Fernando
Hi, I have a GTA02 which I am using only for NeronGPS. I need a mobile for a few calls and SMS a month. Some months ago it did not receive an SMS and I have no idea why. I bought a 20€ Samsung phone, put the chip in, and got the SMS. So, why should I be excited to buy a GTA04 for the price tag

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, December 30, 2011 a las 01:43:12PM +, Fernando escribió: BTW, I don't think it makes much sense to invest in marketing without a full product. It seems a too expensive proposition for a small market of GTA02 and without high confidence of still getting a reliable phone. I

Re: [Gta04-owner] [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Am 30.12.2011 um 10:27 schrieb ri...@happyleptic.org: Talking about how the wifi firmware has been isolated so it cannot interfere with the O/S is a great example. If you are refering to how it was made impossible to replace the non-free firmware by a free one, then I wouldn't advertise

Re: Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Fernando
On Dec 30, 2011 13:53 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Friday, December 30, 2011 a las 01:43:12PM +, Fernando escribió: BTW, I don't think it makes much sense to invest in marketing without a full product. It seems a too expensive proposition for a small market of

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Martix
+1 We need to offer complete working smartphone before doing massive marketing to public. #1 mistake of Openmoko Inc. was unstable software stack, switching toolkits (GTK+, Qt, EFL) and hardware bugs. I think, we should provide stable and tested development platform (stable distribution, SDK

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 30.12.2011 um 14:53 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Friday, December 30, 2011 a las 01:43:12PM +, Fernando escribió: BTW, I don't think it makes much sense to invest in marketing without a full product. It seems a too expensive proposition for a small market of GTA02 and without high

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread urodelo
Marketing strategies can also be planned for two different targets: 1st: developers, skilled users, hackers, geeks, etc, etc. In this phase marketing is mean to publish, inform and possible sale the product to those interested in the above activities 2nd: once the product will be stable

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread rixed
1. The GTA04 *requires* an FR / NEO1974. This should serve as a request to get people who have these collecting dust, selling them online. Maybe this should be made more explicit? This isn't strictly true. The FR/Neo1974 is certainly the easiest way to get screen, case, antennae,

Re: [Gta04-owner] [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread rixed
-[ Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:56:50PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ] Am 30.12.2011 um 10:27 schrieb ri...@happyleptic.org: Talking about how the wifi firmware has been isolated so it cannot interfere with the O/S is a great example. If you are refering to how it was made

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Gerald A
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: The other strategy is the one taken by Apple. They have a very low marketing budget compared to other companies. And the media are still happy to report every small move at no cost... ... which is because

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Ed Kapitein
On 12/30/2011 06:59 PM, Gerald A wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com mailto:h...@goldelico.com wrote: The other strategy is the one taken by Apple. They have a very low marketing budget compared to other companies. And the media are

Re: [Gta04-owner] Status GTA04 GroupTour

2011-12-30 Thread Martin Jansa
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:18:05PM +0100, Neal H. Walfield wrote: Hi, It seems to me that there are two problems. First, if someone orders a GTA04, that person doesn't get all the hardware--that person needs to have a GTA01 or GTA02 and do some non-trivial assembly. I realize that you

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Gerald, Ed (I try to merge thoughts a little...) Am 30.12.2011 um 19:22 schrieb Ed Kapitein: On 12/30/2011 06:59 PM, Gerald A wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: The other strategy is the one taken by Apple. They have a very

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Brian
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:22:55 +0100 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: On 12/30/2011 06:59 PM, Gerald A wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com mailto:h...@goldelico.com wrote: The other strategy is the one taken by Apple. They have

Re: [Gta04-owner] Status GTA04 GroupTour

2011-12-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I just got an idea. Maybe it is not very good, but I will mention it anyway. Imagine if the GTA04 board could be available for different cases, so that people owning a HTC could free their devices Maybe this is not feasible, but could increase the marked if done right.

Re: [Gta04-owner] Status GTA04 GroupTour

2011-12-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Martin, Am 30.12.2011 um 20:01 schrieb Martin Jansa: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:18:05PM +0100, Neal H. Walfield wrote: Hi, It seems to me that there are two problems. First, if someone orders a GTA04, that person doesn't get all the hardware--that person needs to have a GTA01 or

Re: [Marketing] Ideas / Plan

2011-12-30 Thread Gerald A
Hi Nikolaus, On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 30.12.2011 um 19:22 schrieb Ed Kapitein: On 12/30/2011 06:59 PM, Gerald A wrote: What I think is lost in all of this is the question: Who is the intended customer? Currently: those who own

Re: [Gta04-owner] Status GTA04 GroupTour

2011-12-30 Thread Martin Jansa
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:02:44PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Martin, Hi Nikolaus, Am 30.12.2011 um 20:01 schrieb Martin Jansa: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:18:05PM +0100, Neal H. Walfield wrote: Hi, It seems to me that there are two problems. First, if someone

Glamo and White

2011-12-30 Thread Rashid
I wrote to White / Weiss in irc. He helped me alot. I played a bit with blitting and transperency on the glamo. Blitting with X worked fine, for transperency I need some nor / nand hacks with x it worked too. Could blit a 640 * 480 (all) with around 50-60 frames per second when i remember right.