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Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Schmidt András:
I have re-read the wish list and community applications list and could
not find a feature that I use on my current phone day to day. That is
alarm clock.
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On Thursday, Feb 14, 2008, Kyle Bassett writes:
There is talk about pushing startup power control of the internal devices
(wifi, bt, gps, mmc, etc.) to user level, as every user may or may not want
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Can GTA01 users upgrade to this battery and would it make sense to do so?
Not without hacking the device and the drivers and only then if you can
find a GPIO that comes out to a resistor or something you
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Is this smart battery (internal circuitry+cell) custom via OM, or third
party?
I dunno the answer to this, but the smart battery is the same physical
footprint as the GTA01 one if that helps make a guess.
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So i hope there's a testpoint for each unused valuable (hidden) pin at
It didn't happen I am afraid. There is some IO to be had at the
testpoints, but mainly they are just that -- test points. For
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Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART --
let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector --
will be enough to make
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The link in wiki for PCF50606(GTA01) is broken - seems Philips not only
dicontinued the chip, but also the docs for it.
I found exactly one source:
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Ok about charging, but what's exactly now the status of discharging on
GTA02 devices?
I mean... How long is actually running a (pre-)Freerunner without
charging it?
Depends on what you're doing with
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On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote:
Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I
have real hopes now of using mine regularly.
+1 from me too :)
I think we can say it
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2008/3/2, Tim Kersten [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
That looks like it could potentially be extremely useful! However,
adding features to the Freerunner at this stage would
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I played with the motion sensors just eyeballing the raw data in hex and
I think they're going to be very responsive and cool.
Motion sensors?
motion sensors are accelerometers...isn't it?
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being an electronics engineer myself i recommend this too. The sound is not
something the phone should be emitting in normal operation.
These bad noises often come from inductors under physical stress
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ubiquitous zooming and rotating examples are not convincing me at all.
They seem pretty cool to me.
So... where
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I think this is a very good observation.
If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of
time it would be very important to be able to charge it (otherwise it
will just run dry very
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
I think this is a very good observation.
If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of
time it would be very important to be able to
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Andy
Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled
whenever we are in host mode. I don't know what that thing will do if
we provide 5V externally too, probably it will be
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Hi Andy!
Am Di 11. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
- gpg control packet
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Andy
Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled
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No, I was just noting you could put the CPU peripheral logic into host
mode but leave the EN_USBHOST signal low. Then you could add 15K
pulldowns as a hack, and it would all work. But it is a bit of a
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Ah, i see a Y-adapter: one end usb-device, one end receptable for usb
charger,
one end GTA02 *with ID-R of e.g 82k* PLUS *2 x 15k pulldown*.
And GTA02 automatically switching to external powered host
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That is a nice idea, would like to have an accessory like that to make
my neo into a camera, when I need it...
It is a nice idea. The Y cable is a nice idea too. But (it's just my
personal take) the
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I am happy this interest someone.
The advantages of an external mini usb camera is:
1. It does not require reproject of hardware (it is nice to have
autoalimented usb port :)
2. It can be bought only
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As attachment there is an image that explain better my idea (png format)
WAH it look cool!
- -Andy
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What I think there is the need is something like this:
http://www.teknobazar.it/shop/product_info.php?products_id=721
This can be good to plug a pendrive or a standard keyboard :), a webcam
or a sd
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Andy Green ha scritto:
You're right, alternatively one with a short cable. Really this should
be part of the kit since you just can't actually use USB host without it.
I'm very happy to read
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Dnia Friday 14 of March 2008, Christoph Witzany napisał:
Is there a fuse port for open embedded?
If not maybe it could be a viable Google SoC project (provided it's not
too trivial) ...
Fuse is in OE
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I hope in the future we will be able to use regular distros in addition
to OE. Fedora in particular already targets native-compile (or Qemu)
ARM and has started on cross.
GTA03 will have 2-4 GB
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Could you confirm that USB2 devices are actually recognized
in _highspeed_ mode (Freerunner), and which transfer rate we might expect?
They are recognized as 12Mbps devices, that's all that we can handle
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Do you have some examples to post?
Thanks!
I didn't know any of this until Magnus said, but it seems it is like
this, additional texts appear between additional BEGIN:VJOURNAL /
END:VJOURNAL
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UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks... Just one thing: how is generated the UID data?
It seems something like:
UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, how is calculed what I called ${id}?
I have absolutely no idea,
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I believe that a low-power-use auxiliary processor would be EXTREMELY
valuable. There are LOTS of things that could run on a slower
lower-powered processor, greatly extending battery life. At any time
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Niluge KiWi wrote:
With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise
lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a click (which is already
recognised by the accelerometers used in
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Am Di 25. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
[...]
It means that a perfect solution is predicated around
- 16 bit integer arithmetic -- ha no float is too easy
- per-sample short processing rather than
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rakshat hooja wrote:
The answer to all these is with more work (and not with landscape
rotation :-)) )
1) will 30 fps VGA res playback be possible?
There is an MP4 decoder in hardware in the Glamo, we
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What about a mod for dvb-h receiver? Via usb? A driver for external usb
device would be feasible.
http://www.teamcast.com/en/maj-e/c2a2i12376/products/demodulators/dvb-h-portable-demodulator.htm
Yes
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
The raw accelerometer data is predicated around byte data for X Y Z per
sample per motion sensor.
Ultimately the gesture recognition action is about eating 200
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the
graphics chip, or is that too bogged down with NDA-ness? Are we stuck
porting Mesa3D?
Chance, sure, but the NDA situation is pretty bad it turns out for the
Glamo.
4. Personally,
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| I'm marketing and have been appropriately lobotomized) is that our device
| checks the ID of the charger and then determines whether or not we can
fast
| charge. ( greater than 750ma I think... )
Right,
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| On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|
| 2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the
| graphics
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Thanks Kevin,
I recall asking engineering what would happen if somebody disabled this
check ( hey its open source) and the general impression was that if the
charger was not capable of fast charging then you would not have nice
outcomes. I think the
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| My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
| start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
| get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver
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| You posted many intresting ideas, but this one should be well
| implemented since it could infringe your privacy! So maybe this could
| be applied if there's a kind of encryption of the data saved, or
|
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| What's the advantage of the other ways of locating yourself (GSM, WiFi)
| over GPS?
Power, and they work inside buildings away from windows.
GSM at least will be powered anyway in the normal case, so
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| On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:56 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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| | What's the advantage of the other ways of locating yourself (GSM, WiFi)
| | over GPS?
|
| Power, and they work inside buildings
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| One has to be careful about that. IANAL, but it might be illegal in
some
| Agree, no good idea to unsolicitedly use unknown WLANs. Also (and
first of
| all) for security reasons.
Even on my own WPA
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| And for business needs, a VPN manager would be very nice (OpenVPN or
| OpenSWAN IPSEC based).
This would indeed be very useful, not just for business either: it
allows safe use of open WLAN without
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| 3. Carefully slice open the cable and solder in the appropriate resistor
| between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this)
Annoyingly enough this will be the hard bit because the
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| If you want fast charge (1A) you can either :
| - Use the special cable that have the resistor, that provides GTA0x a
| way to recognize the charger
| - Use the applet somebody wrote to force fast charge
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| On Wednesday 02 April 2008 11:07:47 Andy Green wrote:
| There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be
| possible we can write detailed header files for an open driver which
| contain
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| Annoyingly enough this will be the hard bit because the fifth ID pin is
| typically not connected to any wire in the cable.
|
| Good point. Are you aware of any cable that does bring out this pin?
The
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| Hi guys,
|
| just got around to testing one (the 2nd one seems broken or unaccessible
| on my prototypes) of the Neo FreeRunner accellerometers.
|
| Apart from a bit of jitter, I think its pretty accurate
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| Am Donnerstag, den 03.04.2008, 09:57 +0100 schrieb Andy Green:
| We can wake up from one of the accelerometers and not the other -- which
| is likely okay for real use -- but there is no driver support
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| It seems to me there is basically one number you can set, and then you
| can decide if X, Y and/or Z go above or below that number makes an
| interrupt. It looks like this number is absolute, ie, if you
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| I notice you mention only one chip is currently working as isr source.
| But isn't there two independently configurable pins connected to irqs
| from that one chip? I didn't dig into the schematic, not
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| On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 21:37 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
| Hi guys,
|
| just got around to testing one (the 2nd one seems broken or unaccessible
| on my prototypes) of the Neo FreeRunner
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| 1.City surveillance (live project) --- installing digital camera
...
| using WiMax network ( mobile Internet ) .
| Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special
| applications
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| On ti, 2008-04-08 at 10:22 -0400, Dan Staley wrote:
| I have plenty of cell minutes (not to mention free calls between certain
| numbers...) but I dont want to pay for a data planso I figure if I
|
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| On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
| I think you're right, but just a thought if you could issue ready-coded
| GSM codec frames, you can put the data direct in there for 1KBytes/sec
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| Diego Fdez. Durán writes:
| On Tue, April 8, 2008 18:02, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
| Andy Green writes:
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| | On ti
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| I myself am also much closer to Hugo. If I want access to data, I'm
| usually near someplace with wireless access and would rather use Wifi
I have a little experience recently with 3G data access... it
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| Anyways, I guess that for GTA02 you could always get one of those usb-3g
| modems and use it. The problem will probably be the usual where to get
| linux drivers for something like that.
The one I got is
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| Don't you mean 100ma, or has the converter been upgraded? In any case
| running a device that draws 500ma off a 1200mah battery...
I never heard about a 100mA proposal: the converter in GTA02 is not only
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| Hi,
|
| In IRC we were wondering why the Freerunner, being a USB-OTG-Host
| (according to the OTG spec), only has a USB Mini-B interface (black
| jack). This means that only USB-Mini-B cables can be used
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| thomasg writes:
|
| In IRC we were wondering why the Freerunner, being a USB-OTG-Host
(according
| to the OTG spec),
|
| Will Freerunner be OTG? NEO could do either host or device, but
| didn't follow OTG
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| Hi.
|
| Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) -- usb (pc side), or the Y usb cable
| for usb host?
Last I heard it is miniUSB - USB A plug only.
- -Andy
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| While stating it being unlikely, I have no dout that it can be done,
| given enough effort. But it requires a lot of work by somebody with
Alright, that's all I was saying too.
| lots of knowledge and
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| I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button
| and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about
| Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible.
|
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| Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software?
Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off.
- -Andy
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| | Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software?
| Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off.
| Does this mean that they won't draw any power when they're turned off?
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| How complicated would surgery to fix this be? Is it reasonable to
| create a wiki page detailing hw fix?
Well, both transistors are accessible without popping a can, but a) they
are tiny and fiddly, and
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| Steve kindly emailed me on this issue and said:
|
| The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT
| LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption.
Oh well, problem gone then :-)
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| So the status of the file hasn't changed.
| But when i use the icon in the tray bar it works perfectly. So i guess
| i have to add a few more steps. What do i have to add to my skript to
| start the
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| Greetings all,
|
| I wonder if it would be useful for devel purposes to have the OM
| sourcetree imported into LXR (http://lxr.linux.no/) so folks can have an
| quick method to access code via HTTP, which
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| I think he's referring to the automatic foo babbled: in your
| attribution line. Some people might take offense at that if they didn't
| realise that it's put there automatically by your mailer and not
|
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| Andy Green wrote:
| Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| | Greetings all,
| |
| | I wonder if it would be useful for devel purposes to have the OM
| | sourcetree imported into LXR (http
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| On Wed, 28 May 2008 03:08:24 +0200, Michael Shiloh
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| I'd like to request if there's any boilerplate code available to deal
| with the binary protocol as provided by the
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| That's a great idea Matt! Might be a drain on the battery moving packets
| around though. Speaking of which, would anyone know if it would be
possible
| to use a 3G USB dongle on one of these?
...
| i
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| On Wednesday 28 May 2008 11:46:45 Joseph Reeves wrote:
| We're looking to develop a combined DGPS and A-GPS application for the
| platform, for which we need the data contained within this binary
protocol.
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| Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley:
| Joerg
|
| On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley:
| i think it may still be up
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| | What we need is to enable to install these into the toolchain somehow,
| | rather than make that a special do it at the factory operation
| to get
| | things into toolchain.
| |
| | Agreed, but till
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| YEP. but from this sniplet I don't understand whether it also will enter
| LOGICAL hostmode like with a short to GND on ID-pin.
|
| That's the crux, do *both*
No, nothing is watching ID level right now.
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| Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in
| fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source
| driver.
|
| its a firmware. the wifi module has its own
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| The freerunner CPU is ARM920T ,can't support android system img,I think
| it can update to ARM926EJ-S ?
| We can replace CPU directly ?
No, CPU is definitely not user replaceable part.
- -Andy
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| Hei Folks
|
| can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the
| freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems exited. My little
| crappy Motorala stays alive for days if
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| If you look at the ATR0635 datasheet directly from Atmel:
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| http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc4928.pdf
|
| you'll read on page 14:
| RAW (RAW message support requires an additional
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| Lasse Poulsen wrote:
| Also it would be nice to see how long call time you have if you talk
| continually (might i suggest an audio-book or to). If you don't i
| properly will (haven't got the device yet!)
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| hello
| Already i have posted to this community regarding this question but
| i didn get any response.
| Can the openmoko mobile be used as a mass storage device, or can it be
| networked with
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| Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
| Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| | Lasse Poulsen wrote:
| | Also it would be nice to see how long call time you have if you talk
| | continually (might
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| Pranav Desai wrote:
| On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| The usual way is to add the package to OpenEmbedded, and then add
| it's name
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| That is exactly the problem. You see, if we put april software update
| into consideration (these are standard openmoko apps as well), the
| prerequisite will not be small for a toolchain. I'm still
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| Why not allow installation of target packages into the toolchain and
| these difficult philosophical questions of what to stuff into
| toolchain are GONE. End users can decide and enforce what they
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| I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there.
Even if
| every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see
anyone
| using it.
| Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and
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| On Fri, May 30, 2008 10:09 am, Andy Green wrote:
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| ~ But not mass storage: this operates in block mode and requires complete
| ownership of the storage by the host then (since if we have it mounted
| too
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| the cheaper ones. This make me worry that they might not have a
| good conductivity, which is nessecary since the Freerunner has a
| resistive touch screen.
I don't think this is a worry, I just tried it
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| Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
| manoj kumar wrote:
| Can the openmoko mobile be used as a mass storage device, or can it
| be networked with windows???
|
| Well, from a technical point of view I agree
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| +1 ;-)
So, how is unmounting SD card to share it going to work on GTA03.
- -Andy
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| If someone knows what to do to get gps device going and can instruct me,
| Qtopia 4.4 has a mapping demo for testing. It has both nmea and gpsd
plugins.
Here is a standalone shell script to see GPS NMEA
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| On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:53:29AM -0700, Matt Mets wrote:
| I believe this has been discussed at some point, but there is a
| file-storage module that emulates a mass storage device:
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| Rod Whitby wrote:
| And therein starts the decline of Openmoko application availability
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| the poor practices of the windows world ...
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| ;-) It's really two different usage scenarios: one is the nice
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| in a main repository? In Fedora, the multitude of repositories for
| downloading packages has caused nightmares of dependency hell when
| users install from two or more repos that carry some of the same
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| Andy Green wrote:
| Hi yourself... I guess you must have started using Openmoko build system
| then because last time we spoke about it you were avoiding it same as me
| - -- for the same reasons.
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| I
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