Best UK data plan?

2008-07-30 Thread Gothnet
Hi all, I'm expecting my FreeRunner in the next day or so (thanks Truebox) and was wondering if any other UK users had come across any good data tariffs? I've got myself a SIM card from T-Mobile with their Solo 15 package, and managed to persuade the guy in the shop to try selling it to me with

Re: Best UK data plan?

2008-07-30 Thread Gothnet
My bad - I meant 3GB a month, unrestricted on what you can do with it. I don't think it's only 3G traffic, at least I couldn't find any reference to anything differentiating which technology you could use. The only plan differences I could see were whether you were allowed to use the phone as a

So what should I learn and develop for?

2008-07-30 Thread Gothnet
As a newcomer to the Openmoko scene, I've started to notice that there are a lot of different firmwares out there, some from Openmoko and some from other places. I'm a C programmer by trade with almost a decade of commercial experience, mostly in server/backend stuff. I want to start looking at

Re: So what should I learn and develop for?

2008-07-31 Thread Gothnet
Matthew Lane wrote: It looks like future frameworks are heading towards the ASU or FSO? I'm not really sure, although ASU seems to be a merge of 2007.2 and Qtopia, so perhaps that direction is what you're looking for? Perhaps, though I have my doubts about running a full X server on

Re: [debian] going to install - hints?

2008-10-02 Thread Gothnet
Davide Scaini wrote: Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? Sorry for the delay, but better late than never! go here - https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner And update u-boot by going to the section marked Flashing the boot loader to the

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Gothnet
Hi all, My thoughts on this (as a software dev that hasn't yet got into the freerunner software development, despite best intentions) - 1. Basic phone functions: It needs to work as a phone, currently it doesn't wake up from suspend in time for more than 2 rings before the other party is

Re: [android] Answer calll problems

2008-11-06 Thread Gothnet
Well colour me impressed. I've had a play with android on the Freerunner and (no disrespect to the openmoko guys) it's renewed my faith that the device will some day be useable as a phone. Managed to get it running, import contacts from the SIM and make calls, with acceptable volume and none of

Re: [android] new version with page flipping corrected.

2008-11-12 Thread Gothnet
Excellent. I've flashed this now and the screen flashing has indeed gone and it's still just as responsive as before. I was able to activate bluetooth and detect the device with other systems. I could activate GPS (apparently) but there's no GPS app I could find on the default image. S'pose I

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008-11-14 Thread Gothnet
To add my two pence-worth about the joke comment - I have a very high tolerance to stuff not working. or not working smoothly. Most of my computers are broken in some way at any given time. However, when forced to rely on it for a month, even I got annoyed with the freerunner running OM

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008-11-14 Thread Gothnet
Jacob Peterson wrote: I know the buzzing issue had quite a bit of attention from the Openmoko team, judging from watching the traffic on the Hardware and Kernel mailing lists. So I don't think they have given up on that, but it doesn't seem like there is any set solution for current

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008-11-16 Thread Gothnet
Lally Singh wrote: Just fair warning here. As I don't think OM will use the Glamo in future devices, doing the right thing isn't as critical as normal software projects... -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech Doing the right this IS critical to

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008-11-17 Thread Gothnet
Iain B. Findleton wrote: the main issue with optimization efforts is whether they can proceed faster than the introduction of better hardware. If a 400 Mhz machine is too slow, will a 1 Ghz machine be fast enough? Will anything be fast enough? Apparently, from the history of desktops,

Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Gothnet
Walter Chang wrote: i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft keyboard so i made one. I used the copy-and-paste functionality on Android so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them. to download: http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list

Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-20 Thread Gothnet
Tom R wrote: I'm not familiar with the android environment so here are a couple of questions do I need the android SDK to install this keyboard? if I don't need it then, how do I ssh into android once it's running? I've tried the usual ifconfig usb0 x.x.x.x ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] but

Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

2008-11-21 Thread Gothnet
Larger screen. More real estate for a keyboard, basically, the current ones are just on the boundary of unusable with a finger and anything bigger would take up too much space; you need a comfortable amount of space for the application and the on screen input. -- View this message in context:

Re: Android rootfs image?

2008-11-25 Thread Gothnet
If you can wait a week or so Koolu - http://www.koolu.com/ - have promised to release their version of Android for Freerunner in the first week of December. I hope that means they'll release it for general use and not just for their customers. I also hope they release the source code for any

Re: Android rootfs image?

2008-11-25 Thread Gothnet
Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof wrote: Where does it say that it will be released in the first week of december? I think they made an announcement or press release or some such. It's covered in a bunch of online blogs and news sources -

Re: [Android] OnScreen Keyboard

2008-11-27 Thread Gothnet
Sean McNeil wrote: Excellent. Then we can just include it within the image as it won't affect operations otherwise. Got any sort of ETA on an updated image? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--OnScreen-Keyboard-tp1583918p1585457.html Sent from the Openmoko

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-02 Thread Gothnet
Cédric Berger wrote: For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity (90% off android applications need internet access !). Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not manage to have internet access via USB (though I have read this may work ?

First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-02 Thread Gothnet
Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker. However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I now just get a message saying Unable to turn on Bluetooth. Wifi claims to turn on but

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-02 Thread Gothnet
Yup, DNS is the issue now. Attached to another machine I can ping 66.249.91.147 but lookup of www.google.com fails. To create a resolv.conf i had to remount the root filesystem as rw with - mount -o remount,rw -t jffs2 /dev/root / But it didn't help. So, yes, net access over USB but no DNS. --

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-02 Thread Gothnet
Please forgive me for replying to so many of my own emails... Apparently the answer is setprop net.usb0.dns1 $IP_ADDRESS Though I haven't made it do anything because the browser won't start, there's no keypad to enter mail settings and the only command line tool I can find (ping) doesn't seem

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-03 Thread Gothnet
Warren Baird wrote: I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you want a functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended 4.4.2 - it doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but I've been using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-03 Thread Gothnet
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Sean, which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking? Franky Take a look here - http://n2.nabble.com/andy-tracking-kernel--td1609293.html for details on the kernel difference. and what you'll need to do to u-boot to get the tracking

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-03 Thread Gothnet
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking? OK, for the hard of thinking (amongst whom I count myself) I got the tracking kernel booting by following the what if I borked my bootloader instructions from here -

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-04 Thread Gothnet
Got the thing booting, finally, by using my universal charger. I guess the problem now is that when it gets too low it'll just shut itself down, even with the charger attached. I'm running uImage-tracking and the rootfs with the keyboard now. Rui Castro wrote: My keyboard has some obvious

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-04 Thread Gothnet
Hire wrote: Someone can explain me how I can edit the uboot env? Because I did it: bootcmd= setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x3200 kernel 0x30; bootm 0x3200 But it doesn't boot. It does the same issue: can't find an image kernel. I have

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-04 Thread Gothnet
Cédric Berger wrote: But I made a call and while on call I could not get the keyboard ! Menu button brings special call menu, and there is not the keybord button :-( I am afraid that it could be the same for incoming calls. So you could not answer. So no access to volume

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-04 Thread Gothnet
Cédric Berger wrote: Well hang up is possible since there is an hang up button on the standard phone menu. (press menu button during call to see it) The problem is to respond to a call... No problem at all, just made and received calls between my cheapo sony ericcson and the

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-04 Thread Gothnet
Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up. To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu. Right, next test - text messages. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1614665.html Sent from

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-04 Thread Gothnet
Gothnet wrote: Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up. To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu. Right, next test - text messages. Which I can't do because now it's refusing to register. Except when I call it the Network think's

Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs

2008-12-04 Thread Gothnet
Levy Abinajm Melero Sant'Anna wrote: Nice, I will test this last image this weekend. Thank you, Levy. don't get too excited, after registering for the first 24 hours, it now refuses to. I think the unregistered but still ringing thing was a network glitch. Since then, no

Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-09 Thread Gothnet
John Lee wrote: Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public kernel list. ... OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. I know it's important for OM to keep moving

Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-09 Thread Gothnet
polz wrote: That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster, shinier hardware. Yes, but I'm wondering who

Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-10 Thread Gothnet
John Lee wrote: I shouldn't say gta03, I should say the next generation software we are going to use. Since people will switch to that software with their freerunner (gta02), it makes more sense to put more resource to work on that. My writing wasn't accurate enough. Sorry about that.

Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone

2008-12-10 Thread Gothnet
I agree with Rui, and as a Software Engineer with about a decade of C under my belt I should be able to help out. It's just getting motivated and getting started that are the problems here The nice thing about Android is that it seems like the interface stuff is basically there, it's sharp

Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone

2008-12-11 Thread Gothnet
Didier Raboud wrote: arne anka wrote: the facts known about google's remote control of the android g1 (privately owned devoces, mind you!) are absolutely horrible, and i don't want to support any effort in that way. +1 from me too. Don't use Big Evil Google ! I don't want

Re: [debian] installation

2008-12-12 Thread Gothnet
Vinzenz Hersche wrote: hey tony, your first partition on the sd-card should be fat-formated. Not if you update your NAND uboot to a recent (i.e sometime in the last four months or so) version. Then ext2 is fine. I've had mine running this way. More recent uboot's also have some

Re: [debian] installation

2008-12-12 Thread Gothnet
Tony Berth wrote: Having a OM2008.9 jffs on FR, I did run 'install.sh all'. I did shutdown the device and when rebooted I choose the SD card to boot. That should do the trick! No, no it won't, uyou need to follow the section below - Adjusting your uBoot environment Go back to the

Re: No more optimization team

2008-12-18 Thread Gothnet
Olivier Migeot wrote: Community, you have this Openmoko company who is still working on their product some months after it's been released. Granted, the first release was nowhere near astounding. But in closed world developement, who could claim such dedication? ;) In a closed world

Re: [Android] koolu first beta release

2008-12-22 Thread Gothnet
Andreas Wallin wrote: I tried it, Still the keyboard does not work in all text dialogs, wifi doesn't work, I cant lock screen, and suspend still doesn't work, GSM seems to work. I reflashed my openmoko with qt after 1 days use, When suspend,lock screen and soft keyboard works i will

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Gothnet
Helge Hafting wrote: Making a good small lens is not a problem, a good small sensor is. Japanese tourists may be satisfied, but perhaps they just aren't that good photographers. Small-sensor images can be reasonable under ideal lighting conditions, but hopeless for most other cases. But

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Gothnet
rakshat hooja wrote: Also if there are reports of 3G dongles working well with the Freerunner, please post them on this list/ wiki. Resellers can start stocking them if the demand is there. Rakshat AAH! I don't want to have to have a dongle, probably with a separate contract, in

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Gothnet
Sargun Dhillon wrote: Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same standards as Apple, HTC, etc... Apple can't get 3G in the iPhone for two years. For which they were heavily criticised because

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Gothnet
rakshat hooja wrote: I am talking about GTA 02 and people who already own it and need to use 3G. GTA 02 does not have 3G built in sorry if if this was not clear in my mail Rakshat Sorry, thought you were suggesting it as a get-out-of-jail-free for OM and 3G on the 03. If you

Re: Getting rid of Android

2008-12-24 Thread Gothnet
Orlando-13 wrote: I Hate to tell you this, but you can try to format your sd card (just to fat32 or ext3) in another Linux box. Then, install another Linux distro in your openmoko... The problem as I see it is that your sd card has a lot of partitions right ? -Orlando. Probably

Re: Getting rid of Android

2008-12-29 Thread Gothnet
Vasili Sviridov wrote: Not sure what has changed, but when I do dfu-util -l from both NOR and NAND uBoot i get this Found Runtime [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=3, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name=USB Device Firmware Upgrade and thats the only line in there. So i'm currently not even able to

Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur

2008-12-29 Thread Gothnet
Well, due to the current exchange rate (my government have screwed up, royally), youmay be better off ordering from truebox.co.uk, where the Freerunner is £272 or ~277 EUR. My poor poor savings, and I was planning to emigrate. Damn you Gordon Brown -- View this message in context:

Re: How do you like to read a phone number?

2008-12-29 Thread Gothnet
George Brooke wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code.

Re: Getting rid of Android

2008-12-29 Thread Gothnet
Well, if you can get sensible stuff out of u-boot then I suggest using the devirginator thing on the link I sent earlier to repare the uboot environmen. Then you should get back to a useful state. I used it to tweak the kernel partition size on the internal flash, so if (as I think you said

Re: Getting rid of Android

2008-12-29 Thread Gothnet
Vasili Sviridov wrote: Will it still work w/o debug board? All i got is the USB cable connection. Vasili yeah, me too :) Worked just fine. Follow the instructions on that page -

Re: Getting rid of Android

2008-12-29 Thread Gothnet
Gothnet wrote: Vasili Sviridov wrote: Will it still work w/o debug board? All i got is the USB cable connection. Vasili yeah, me too :) Worked just fine. Follow the instructions on that page - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader

Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur

2008-12-29 Thread Gothnet
arne anka wrote: Price Truebox is 272 GBP + 15% VAT + 40 shipping = 405 eur with eur:gbp at almost 1:1 it is actually more like 360 eur ... Price Pulster is 299 eur incl. VAT + 15 shipping = 314 eur ... nevertheless it costs more than yours ;-) I don't want to get into a

Re: How do you like to read a phone number?

2008-12-30 Thread Gothnet
Stroller-2 wrote: Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the 7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then

Re: How do you like to read a phone number?

2008-12-31 Thread Gothnet
Stroller-2 wrote: I was on the phone to an Indian call centre a while back and was very frustrated by the way the speaker read my number back to me - they can't even speak English phone numbers correctly! I fumed, but on reflection I realised that many native English speakers read

Re: Help with nand u-boot environment

2009-01-02 Thread Gothnet
Leonardo-3 wrote: Hi all, I've been messing with u-boot and need some help. I was trying to set the rw parameter into bootargs to boot 2008.12 from SD. After a couple attempts, I had too many entries in the u-boot, and wanted to erase them all, so I used the defaultenv command in u-boot

Car Charger?

2009-01-03 Thread Gothnet
In about 9 or 20 months I intend to stop working for a few months and drive around the continent of australia. A GPS device would be good for this. Given that this functionality is coming along ok, that by then we should (hopefully!) have fairly stable operation, and that freerunner battery

Re: Car Charger?

2009-01-03 Thread Gothnet
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Not looked for one yet, but it has to have a DC Output from 3.7V 2A (battery written value) to 5V 2A (IIRC). Thanks to someone on IRC who helped me with this info, and don't ask me for more since I know almost nothing of electronics :) Rui Thanks

Re: Car Charger?

2009-01-05 Thread Gothnet
Thanks for all the answers guys, looks like I can grab any old USB charger, 5V/2A being preferable. And a GPS style wndscreen mount would be useful. I'm sure I can find something though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Car-Charger--tp2106770p2112932.html Sent from the

Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC

2009-01-06 Thread Gothnet
This isn't going to help you but... The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver installed. Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible. -- View this message in context:

Re: stupid networking question

2009-01-08 Thread Gothnet
arne anka wrote: networkmanager used to ignore interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces (and does this still on my debian/unstable box), so putting the wiki's stanza for usb0 auto usb0 ... might be worth a try. That sounds like a good idea, thanks for the hint. My eee

Re: stupid networking question

2009-01-08 Thread Gothnet
arne anka wrote: i think a right click somewhere brings up a list of preferred networks where you can delete the entries not needed anymore (i distinctly remember the list, but not how i got there -- the offending network maybe?) I think that may depend on the version, but on the

Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?

2009-01-14 Thread Gothnet
john dowd wrote: I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings that they would like to share. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jdowd at slashdevslashnull dot org Search the wiki for a program called

Re: Pub meet: Cambridge, UK, 30.1.2009

2009-01-16 Thread Gothnet
Andy Kilner wrote: Not trying to usurp the thread but nothing happened with the plans to have a london meetup. Should we just go to this one instead or would anyone be interested in holding one of our own? Unfortunately I won't be able to make this one as I already have plans for that

Re: [Om2008.12] Remove Install Bar

2009-01-16 Thread Gothnet
boilersoup wrote: On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:02:28 +1300 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: personally, i think the asu theme (the stock one installed on the freerunner) blows, and you'd be best off switching it for something ore useful - there are plenty around on the web. the

Re: London pub meet

2009-01-16 Thread Gothnet
Jan Henkins wrote: Opening shot: Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less), The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to. However, it is small and

Re: London pub meet

2009-01-16 Thread Gothnet
John-2 wrote: Hi Jan, I added a couple of pubs to the wiki. I really don't mind which location. If it became a regular meet it would be fun to try them all out! By coincidence I appear to have recommended two Samuel Smith's pubs which might not suit everyone. I will drink anything me

Re: Replacement Battery with 2300mAh, possible?

2009-01-20 Thread Gothnet
Leonti wrote: Sometimes they are not putting the right specifications on the batteries. Right now I have in my other phone (k700i) battery with the capacity double of the original one. But this is just a label. Uptime is the same as with the original battery. My point being that for more

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Gothnet
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other handheld devices out there won't? You will have noticed that pretty much all the unhappy users are those expecting the Neo Freerunner to be just another well polished smartphone. If

London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-01 Thread Gothnet
Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work :) So who's available and could

Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-02 Thread Gothnet
Gothnet wrote: Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-02 Thread Gothnet
Sarton O'Brien wrote: There really are some moments I can't help but giggle about ... but that's me and I know I have a wierd sense of humour :) Well, there was that time in October (when I was in Australia for a month on holiday) and I had the FR with FDOM as my only phone. It woke

Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-03 Thread Gothnet
Jan Henkins wrote: Hi, 7:30 is good, OBoE sounds splendid! See y'all there! First person to be there, please hog a nicely sized table, and display something vaguely Moko-ish/Linux-ish/Computer-ish (Linux Format mag or anything siilarly geeky) on the table for others to spot. It's a

Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Gothnet
Peter Nijs wrote: I'm almost sure someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible Isn't it? You can get external USB gfx cards these days. Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have no idea. -- View this message

Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-11 Thread Gothnet
Bump. I'll be there between 6 and 6.30. And if the batteries on my eee hold out I'll be happy to shove a recent android build onto any unattended FRs :) gnublade wrote: Just pinging the list to say that we're on for the 11th (this Wednesday) at the Old Bank of England on Fleet Street

Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1

2009-02-18 Thread Gothnet
scholbert wrote: joakim wrote: The selling point for me when buying the G1 is that I read that its possible to boot debian on it, just like the Freerunner. Unfortunately that's not quite true, at present. What people have done is to loop mount a canned debian filesystem and

Re: Back to the Basics plan: Andy left

2009-03-24 Thread Gothnet
You should have stopped here IMHO. It really is none of our (community's) business, and it would be a lot more productive to just focus on the question of where do we go from here? Hey, something being none of our business has never stopped a good rant before! Personally I'm beginning to

Re: android-sd-card

2009-03-27 Thread Gothnet
i didn't found a terminal and i detect no ssh-daemon, so i couldn't connect directly to the phone. had someone a reason here? i just want to edit /etc/fstab There is no ssh daemon. Nor is there a /etc/fstab! If you have your SD card in two partitions, as is recommended for android,

Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-07 Thread Gothnet
arne anka wrote: nope. he's just a troll. he's just saying what a lot of people are thinking I still hope to use my OM for *something*, but the chances of it ever being a reliable mobile phone are looking pretty slim. -- View this message in context:

Re: Koolu.com?

2009-05-13 Thread Gothnet
Rene Horn wrote: Yeah, I already knew that. I'm just wondering if anyone knows what's happened? Did they lose the domain? whois records show Network Solutions as owning the domain. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Gothnet
Max Suraev wrote: В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет: Maybe take a look at Android? That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my phone I would just buy some sort of

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Gothnet
rms wrote: The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its the phone maker/operator that does it is a mere smoke screen. DRM? They're just locked, you don't get root if you buy a G1 or other similar phone. I also don't see what's a smokescreen about the fact

Re: root almighty

2009-05-20 Thread Gothnet
GNUtoo wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 21:56 +0100, Juergen Schinker wrote: About the android port of the openmoko: I heard There were several limitations such as: *all hardware not fully functional yet (wifi,calls,suspend etc...): Suspend is fine. Wifi is fantastic, so much better than

Re: root almighty

2009-05-20 Thread Gothnet
GNUtoo wrote: I've asked on IRC about android SDK and I was told that there were 2 versions: *a non-free version tight to that EULA: http://developer.android.com/sdk/terms.html *a free version compilable from source without google stuff(such as maps) I was told I had to gab

Re: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)

2009-05-21 Thread Gothnet
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there , for example routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't mean Linux is closed, It only means that if they don't publish the code, and that's usual, they are violating the GPL.

Re: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)

2009-05-21 Thread Gothnet
I should also add that at least in the short term I would expect that being able to run android applications on FR is going to give me a far wider choice of mobile-friendly software than any of the true linux distros available for FR. -- View this message in context:

RE: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)

2009-05-21 Thread Gothnet
jldominguez wrote: Hello, is it true that Google can uninstall an app not approved by themselves (that is, an app not included in the 'Android Market')? I understand the app would be uninstalled when the user visits a Google shop or accesses a Google service? It's not true that any

Re: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)

2009-05-21 Thread Gothnet
GNUtoo wrote: There is something stopping people from contributing: make: *** No rule to make target `run-java-tool', needed by `out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/droiddoc_intermediates/javalib.jar'. Stop. what should I do? PS: I've some java warnings etc...I hope it's not the

Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up running again

2009-06-19 Thread Gothnet
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! OM isn't working on the software for our phones any more and it looks like that also the releasing of Community Updates (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates) has stopped Hooray! It's less than a year sine the FR commercial release and it's