Re:Re No Market

2006-12-23 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Rowland Cheshire writes: I will need to investigate further, but can FIC or someone on this forum confirm the availability of services in Japan without the encumbrance of purchasing the phone in Japan. In other words, is it possible in light of FIC's market research to simply purchase a prepaid

Re: Idea: Virtual desktop

2007-01-07 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Pedro Aguilar writes: Hi, Since devices like the Neo are used for several things that can be executed simultaneosuly in the GUI, it could make sense to have a windowing or virtual desktop support. For example, if I'm using a browser in virtual desktop 1 and I receive a msg from a friend asking

Re:suggested development toolkit for games?

2007-01-07 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Andreas Jellinghaus writes: I wrote a game in turbo pascal a decade or two ago. if I wanted to rewrite it for openmoko, which toolkit etc. would I use for the graphics and sound effects? rewriting this game once more is always a nice way for me to learn some new language and toolkit and do

Re: Few questions regarding phone

2007-01-09 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Mikko Rauhala writes: You should be able to do stuff like this, plus modify most of the phone software to your liking. You will need to add a microSD memory card if you want to install a significant amount of addon software. Don't know about the browser situation; Firefox is a bit big, but I

Re: Few questions regarding phone

2007-01-09 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Stefan Schmidt writes: Hello. On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:33, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Also, there is now a MicroSD wi-fi card on the market. No idea what chipset it uses (so no idea whether Linux support exists, or even can exit), and I have to be skeptical as to what kind of range it can

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Sean Moss-Pultz writes: We had some problems with the hardware in a revision I had hoped would be final. This set us back about month. So we're looking at moving the first phones out in February now. I can promise you there is nothing seriously wrong. Thanks for the information. * Bluetooth

Re:Patent?

2007-01-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Stuart Gray writes: I was just watching the apple iPhone keynote. And when Steve Jobs is describing the phone touchscreen interface, he says they have patented it. What does this mean about the OpenMoko phone? I am not overly knowledgable about patent protection, so it may be a silly question.

Re: Patent?

2007-01-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Jeff Andros writes: As I understand it, even if the patent hasn't been granted, it's still in force. One of our screwy USPTO loopholes says they can put patent pending on whatever it is, then screw around with the patent office... you can double or triple the time your patent is effective if

RE: Will it possible to use the Neo without battery?

2007-01-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Well, that'd be also great for changing the SD-card... I just wonder how people could live with phones they have to switch off any time the card should be changed. I'm now owning a Samsung D-730, it has the slot on the side, so switching off isn't necessary. When I see my friends (most of them

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Gervais Mulongoy writes: On linuxtogo I get 34 pages. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/RecentChanges?action=fullsearchcontext=180value=openmokotitlesearch=Titles May I suggest using linuxtogo? Unfortunately, I'm much better at checking my email than I am a forum... I don't see any sign of

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app?

2007-01-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, attaching your Neo to your robot and letting it drive is not too far fetched. DARPA grand challenge anyone? Or perhaps the lighter-weight Magellan contest? Well, geometric reasoning is my research area...

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Torsten Röhl writes: Why - QWERTY keypad ? we have a wide screen 2,8 inch and i love the new iphone concept without qwerty keypad. I hope that the next neo1973 generation phones are also iphone like (without qwerty keypad) ... i think a neo1973 next generation phone with qwerty keypad is just

Re: MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Grahame Falvey writes: Is the microSD slot accessable while the phone is operational? Or does one have to remove the battery and hence power down the device in order to swap out the card? As far as we know, it requires powering-down the phone. ___

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Mike writes: Yes I know that, I still vote for subject tags and reply-list. I don't really care about subject tags, but would prefer reply-list. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re:I'd like to see a Neo1973 running without battery, but USB powered :) Re: Kingmax announces microSDHC 4G card

2007-01-16 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Robert Michel writes: If the Neo1973 could run only with USB power (without battery) than you would be able to skip this point attach the battery using wires :) Hmmm, it is possible to charge the battery over USB. If you could run the phone using USB power with the battery unplugged then the

Re: More info on standard applications

2007-01-16 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
el jefe delito writes: I'd love to see the KDE apps on this thing, but I read somewhere on the list that most of the WM interface is likely based on GTK libraries (GNOME). Being Open, though, we could probably move KWM/KDE onto the Neo; not sure if the processing power and storage can handle it.

Re:X11 and/or Framebuffer

2007-01-17 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller writes: Just a question: will the OpenMoko come with FB and/or X11? According to the Amsterdam presentation, X11. http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Amsterdam.pdf Also, according to something someplace where I can't find it at the moment, GTK+. And which X11

Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

2007-01-17 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Renaissance Man writes: It's just a matter of patience. OpenMoko/Neo is the Way[TM]. Everything I've read says it doesn't have WiFi. It doesn't. But assuming it's a success, there will surely be a successor soon that does. In the meantime, a bluetooth access point isn't a great solution, but

Re:Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0

2007-01-18 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Sven Neuhaus writes: Since everyone is drooling about the next iteration of the Neo which is exptected to include WiFi, I figured I'd add a request for USB 2.0. This I think expected is putting it too strongly. I haven't seen anything from FIC about a second generation at all yet; let's say

Re: Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0

2007-01-18 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
el jefe delito writes: and make sure the port is a powered one this time round ;) and a standard master-device USB-A port at that http://www.heinex.dk/kabler/usb-a.jpg so that I can plug in my favorite USB items http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c58/ No seriously, USB-A would make

Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

2007-01-18 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Renaissance Man writes: And, to those who think I'm wrong about the combination of GSM and WiFi/VoIP in a mobile device, you're just wrong and I'll be emailing this list in 2-3 years time (with a link to this discussion) to gloat, because so many of us will be using such devices and saving

Re: Visual Voicemail

2007-01-19 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Austin Taylor writes: Visual voicemail requires back-end support from the carrier. Think like a hacker. Why couldn't we scrape it? No camera? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: power plug

2007-01-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Nikita V. Youshchenko writes: The phone is charged via USB. I am assuming it comes without a power supply. You can get a USB charger for a power outlet on ebay for a few bucks if you want to charge it without a PC. How can it charge over USB if it gets full discharged? AFAIK, USB device is

porting PalmOS apps?

2007-01-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Is anyone looking into the difficulty of porting old PalmOS applications to OpenMoko? There are a few of them that I'd really hate to lose (the Pilot-DB flat-file database and the Timing multiple timer are two I use a lot, and haven't seen any equivalent Linux programs for). Hmm, if not, that

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Greg Tada writes: This is so tiring. I think we've all had to deal with this GNU/Linux vs. Linux war multiple times. How about those of you who care about it argue amongst yourselves instead of clogging our inboxes? WE'VE ALL HEARD IT BEFORE AND CAME TO OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS ALREADY. Why don't we

Re: US discount cell phone plans?

2007-01-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Dylan Semler writes: On 1/20/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I'll be buying this phone, is anyone aware of a provider in the US who will give a discount on a plan if you don't get a phone with it? Speaking of US providers, since the phone is GSM, are cingular and T-mobile our

Re: Power for USB Host

2007-01-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Mikko Rauhala writes: la, 2007-01-20 kello 23:25 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti: Simon writes: keep in mind, you'll only get USB 1.1 speeds :( Unfortunate, but I'll take it. Actually, I'm curious as to why that decision was made... but I'll take it. It's been mentioned here before; the SoC

Re: porting PalmOS apps?

2007-01-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Paul Bohme writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Is anyone looking into the difficulty of porting old PalmOS applications to OpenMoko? There are a few of them that I'd really hate to lose (the Pilot-DB flat-file database and the Timing multiple timer are two I use a lot, and haven't seen any equivalent

Re: porting PalmOS apps?

2007-01-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Paul Bohme writes: Making legacy apps written for the Garnet OS (née Palm OS) run on Linux is decidedly non-trivial. An emulator for this is going to be part of the ACCESS Linux Platform... Interesting - so an emulator for the old 68k stuff? Yes. Their mockup of the interface shows the

Re: Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0

2007-01-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Harald Welte writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 06:56:30AM -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Harald Welte writes: The main problem (with more powerful SoC) is not to provide a USB2.0 host port in the device. The main problem is power. You need a pretty powerful DC/DC step-up converter to provide

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Milan Votava writes: It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is 1. to satisfy his and our need for open source toys like Neo or 2. to earn money like almost everybody on this planet while exploiting geeks like us to achieve his goal :-) I bet the second will prove as true... If I get my

Re: Is python built-in

2007-01-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Robert Michel writes: I seriously doubt it. I found python RPM and it has about 10 MB *compressed*. All default Neo1973 software (including kernel and libs) must fit in 64MB flash storage... Why? it have a mountable microSD card (1,2, maybe 4 and more GB)- the 128MB RAM is the counting

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
tony writes: We are traveling a road built by those who came before. It's not quite right to start asking for toll. Very well said. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re:OpenMoko at FOSDEM

2007-01-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ole Tange writes: It seems we are a few who are going to FOSDEM in Brussels this year. I suggest we have an informal gathering. Where? When? Ideas? Have a drink for me... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: built-in scripting languages

2007-01-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ted Lemon writes: On Jan 22, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: So when you put your first python application on, ipkg will conclude you need python. When you put your second on, it will conclude you've alrady got python. Sure. So in that case it does make sense to talk about standard

security for wiki

2007-01-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ummm... I just updated the OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers to give a brief introduction to the problems with trying to port PalmOS apps to Linux. I was able to do this completely anonymously. If registration and logins are required on that site -- and quickly -- we're going to take a look at it

Re:keyboard, please!

2007-01-23 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
quixote writes: I'm a (future) user, and this phone is what I've been waiting for in so many ways. Except one. No option to buy one with a qwerty keyboard. Please, please, please re-think that. I have to do a lot of writing and emailing while away from my main computer, and the lack of a

Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Duncan Hudson writes: That's encouraging - I am anxiously awaiting the Neo. But it doesn't answer the question as to whether or not an FCC filing has been made. Maybe it can be used elsewhere on 3/11, but it can't be used in the US unless it's been certified by the FCC. Generally when the

Re: Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Shu Hung (Koala) writes: Koala Yeung P.S. May I ask one thing: Does application runs on i386 runs on OpenMoko with the same binary? No. The phone uses an ARM processor, which is a completely different instruction set. ___ OpenMoko community mailing

RE: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Sam Kome writes: As with many US gov sites, the information scent isn't as strong as it could be, but start here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/ You'll want the 'Generic Search' link on the left, Reports menu. When you find a phone (I haven't looked for Neo yet, I suspect it hasn't

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Marcel de Jong writes: On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Marcel de Jong writes: Those of us drooling for one of the early phones, knowing what we're letting ourselves in for, are the beta testers... Heh, you've got a point there. I know I'm drooling for one of those. And if we can somehow backup the phone to do some testing, that'd would be great.

Re: Required Software

2007-01-26 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Alexandru Lazar writes: I've been working with Linux for such a long time and I'm not sure what that VPN client is. Truth is, though most popular network devices (Cisco, etc.) use VPN that Linux supports, it's Microsoft's VPN system that's most prevalent in the companies I've encountered. Does

Re:Q: How does USB hubs work? Re: Multiple USB Devices

2007-01-31 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Robert Michel writes: Brilliant! Thanks for that :-) So now the question, how does an USB hub work? Can we plug in the host on any port? Short form: USB is strictly a hierarchical, tree-structured network. There is one host, which may connect to the upstream port on a hub; you can then plug

Re: Any alternative ideas to fullscreen popup-messages?

2007-01-31 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: Let's distinguish two types of popup-dialogs: a) informative (i.e. battery low, incoming sms, sms sent) b) confirmative (Mickey calling. Answer / Ignore / Reject?, Do you want to remove all contacts?) Right now, we're leaning towards (ab)using the bottom status bar

Re: 2-3 parallel solution to choose by the user? Re: Any alternative ideas to fullscreen popup-messages?

2007-01-31 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
David Ford writes: Here's a grand example. You're inside your voicemail navigating menus and dealing with temporary information. Your phone rings in with a new call and your fingers are busy hitting voicemail commands. *bam* Your inbound phone call is accidently disconnected or answered not

Re: Openmoko podcast

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: I also never realized that FIC is not just some little startup That makes it a lot more likely that they will still be around for V2 to get released, and for V1 to actually work. I'm kind of surprised that FIC means so little to a lot of people I'm talking. FIC

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

2007-02-04 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ian Stirling writes: We really want buttons with changable logos - http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ However, the only sort-of-practical way to do this is to use one internal 50*10mm or so OLED display, with 4-8 hardware buttons on top of it, which are transparent, and designed to

Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?

2007-02-04 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Robert Michel writes: You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think it is possible to produce this touchscreen in a way, that 80% are usable

Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?

2007-02-04 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Robert Michel writes: On Sun, 04 Feb 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Robert Michel writes: You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think

Re:T-Mobile finagling advice?

2007-02-06 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ben Burdette writes: snip My question is, has anyone been through this process before, what's the best way to find out how the service is? I don't know anyone that has a t mobile phone (maybe that should tell me something). And the other thing is, how would I get the neo1973 onto the t

RE: T-Mobile finagling advice?

2007-02-07 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Redvers Davies writes: The one that I have does use a SIMcard and they roam onto some GSM network which it doesn't identify. My guess is certainly cingular since its the only GSM network available in my area[0]. I'm curious -- which one do you use? Were you able to get just a sim card from

Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management...

2007-02-08 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Florent THIERY writes: Hum, does a keyboard need to be powered? Unless it's got a battery... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re:NXP Nexperia

2007-02-09 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Denis Kot writes: Hi What do you think about this? http://www.nxp.com/news/content/file_1298.html If that press release said anything about users can install their own apps, I missed it. I spent several years waiting for Motorola to release the user-programmable phone that always seemed to be

Re: T-Mobile finagling advice?

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ian Stirling writes: In most cases, the fact that you're going past the store is pretty irrelevant to the need for groceries. Or, for most of us on the way home, the fact that you weren't going to be near the store has nothing to do with the fact that you are now going by the store...

Re: Get your own OpenMoko T-Shirt

2007-02-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
ROB writes: Just for the record, as a 'member of the community' or whatever, I don't like this. Speaking as the designer of the Mopar Mailing List logo (which incorporates the old Chrysler Motors Corporation Pentastar trademark with Chrysler's permission), I don't mind it a bit. One way

Re: Get your own OpenMoko T-Shirt

2007-02-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Gabriel Ambuehl writes: On Monday 12 February 2007 17:18:35 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: I don't mind it a bit. One way corporations have destroyed an incredible amount of good-will in the past has been by trying to retain a too-tight control over their trademarks The problem with trademark law

Re:Wiki is open

2007-02-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tomasz Zielinski writes: It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-) Looks like the answers to just about every question people have had about V1 is on there! What a rich, rich source of information. I want one ___ OpenMoko

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

2007-02-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Stefan Schmidt writes: Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote: I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. Ouch. I'll move that to #1 on my wish-list for V2

Re:Neo 1973 Featured on gizmodo.com

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
William Lai writes: OpenMoko`s Neo 1973 featured as the Anti-iPhone http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/first-look-the-antiiphone-openmokos-neo1973-236841.php Interesting article -- five other devices? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

openmoko articles

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Very nice writeups at linuxdevices and slashgear http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2657814070.html http://www.slashgear.com/openmoko-and-fic-neo1973-updates-153926.php ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: openmoko articles

2007-02-16 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
el jefe delito writes: Can anyone clarify: in the Linux Devices article it says that hardware was delayed and the Neo will be available for sale in March. I thought I recently read that the hardware was delayed and the phone will be available in September. Which is accurate, September right? Is

Re: openmoko and pre-paid cards

2007-02-16 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Mary Stovel writes: Cingular C139.) I asked at the Cingular store and the T-Mobile store... that if I brought in my own unlocked phone, could I get a SIM card without buying their phone... they said yes. I asked if that applied to the prepaid plans and they said yes. My experience here

Re:What service plan in New York City?

2007-02-19 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Mike writes: What service plan should I sign up for in new york city in anticipation of the openmoko? In other words a plan that I can keep and switch to an openmoko phone with? I already know it has to be G3 and use sim cards. I want to know, specifically, what carrier will work? I'm in the

Re:Forums Page?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
mathew davis writes: Hi I am kind of new to mailing lists so forgive me if I am steping on anyones toes. I am used to working with forums more than mailing lists and find them to be a little easier for newcomers to work with than mailing lists. Is there a plan for a forum? I think that it may

Re:Forums Page?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's interesting to note that most youngsters seem to prefer forums, and most of us old-timers (IIRC you're my age, Joe) prefer mailing lists. I wonder why that is? I don't know how old you are, but I'm afraid I count as an oldster these days... there are some definite

Re: Forums Page?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
mathew davis writes: It's funny that you mention that I am only 24 so I guess I would fit in the youngster category. I don't even know what usenet is. I guess that's why usenet is a huge, distributed bulletin board system with topics groups on every conceivable (and many inconceivable)

openmoko.com

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Last night, when I checked openmoko.com, all the content had disappeared. I was pretty excited, thinking this meant new content (hopefully involving ordering a phone) was about to appear. It's still empty anybody know what's up? ___ OpenMoko

Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

2007-02-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Stefan Schmidt writes: UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28 http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm Wow. The E2862 is really, really beautiful. The web page for that product doesn't mention

RE: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Dean Collins writes: Sim only plans are available. I've been looking for a sim-only plan (that costs less than a plan with a free phone) in the US. Could you point me at one? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection

2007-02-28 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 writes: I like the idea. I agree with Cayco, that you cannot ask police to catch the thief. But sending coords would be very interesting solution. As the GPS coords may be not very accurate I'd extend the idea to bluetooth connection which is a very short range, to

Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection

2007-02-28 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Aaron Coats writes: This seems like it would encourage the thief to destroy the phone, remember, he/she stole it it isn't worth much to them. Now if the Remember, my version of the stolen behavior called for the phone to pretend it's a brick (while sending SMS messages giving its position,

Re: Possible security hole for Dialers/troyan horses

2007-03-02 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Aloril writes: Fortunately in Linux usually to be able to run executable arriving in email you need to do following: 1) Save file to disk 2) chmod +x that_file (or equivalent in GUI) 3) run_that_file That's only because Linux MUA's typically don't implement the 'run directly from the message'

coverage at linuxdevices.com

2007-03-03 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Nice description of the technical information, with photos of the hacker's lunchbox and car kit. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7653749655.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

2007-03-04 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Andreas Kostyrka writes: * Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070304 18:53]: Nice description of the technical information, with photos of the hacker's lunchbox and car kit. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7653749655.html Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version

Re: OpenMoko Phase 0 has started

2007-03-05 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Igor Foox writes: Just wanted to send a big Congratulations to the core OpenMoko team for this first shipment of phones. You guys are doing a great job and even with the delays the community is (or at least I am) 100% behind you! Absolutely! And I think I'm speaking for far too many people

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up)

2007-03-06 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ Is an really interesting project, which might be nice to use on the phone for writting. Dunno -- it's a cool idea, but when I played with it I found it very difficult to actually control.

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Martin Lefkowitz writes: OK, now I was the perpetrator of imprecise language. How do the two neo's communicate with each other -- the one that can see the GPS signal and the one that can't? Not two NEOs -- one NEO and one GPS receiver that's used to get known data. Try to correlate the

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (

2007-03-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
NAT makes life harder for a VPN, but not impossible. The easiest case is if you've got a machine tucked away someplace that doesn't use NAT, you can use it as an openvpn server and have all the clients hidden behind NATed firewalls. That's actually what I do -- I've got an old machine under my

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

2007-03-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Martin Lefkowitz writes: I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are biting the hand that feeds you. Please, I beg you, don't let this turn into a GPL license/closed firmware/other legal stuff thread. As has already been pointed out, these issues are debated daily, to

Re:Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-17 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tobias Gruetzmacher writes: What I'm proposing is a user-friendly encryption scheme of the data the user stores in his phone, so any illegitimate user will not be able to get personal data about the owner of the phone. snip specifics This is something I've been mulling over a bit... one

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-18 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Joel Newkirk writes: My proposal was simply to have the ability to use my fingertip to trace a shape to substitute for a 'pin' for unlock purposes. Left-right-left-circle-down, or up-down-up-down-up-down-right-up, or any of millions of other possible freehand strokes that can be readily

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-19 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Jim McDonald writes: Jonathon Suggs wrote: One of the biggest mantra's I hear coming from the FOSS camp is choice and so keeping with the whole practice what you preach ideal, I think the level of encryption should be a user configurable preference. I'd caveat that with comment that one of

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-19 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tim Newsom writes: Ok.. Lets assume for a moment that there is an encryption / security engine.. And its hooked through dbus somehow.. Lets also assume there is a mechanism that handles all requests to save data from any application... Will just call it the save data mechanism.. (Grin)... So

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tobias Gruetzmacher writes: It doesn't have to be complicated, check out this screencast http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/crypto/ showing LUKS integration into Gnome. I know of this integration. I have setup many devices with LUKS encryption. But I really don't want to ask the user How

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tim Newsom writes: On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 9:34, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Tobias Gruetzmacher writes: Right -- these look like good approaches, but to a different problem. /please excuse my direct manner.. Its just how I write (smile) Likewise -- it's hard to see somebody smile by email, and I never

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tim Newsom writes: I know there are many many solutions to encryption and it would be nice to have a mechanism to install and use whatever the user wanted to setup and configure. That would be ideal! Right now I'm thinking about how to get it to match what *I* want to do. Other users can

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Andreas Kostyrka writes: At the moment, I'm wandering around the source code for __libc_read() and __libc_write() to see if there's a good way to hijack a program's read() and write() calls, so if they are to a file that's marked as encrypted the data can go through encrypt() on the way

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Hadn't seen unionfs -- that really warrants a further look. Thanks. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tim Newsom writes: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related to authentication that we have been discussing

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tim Newsom writes: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:13, Tim Newsom wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-23 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Gabriel Ambuehl writes: Can't you just use encfs (I gather you don't want LUKS because it needs setting Filesystem size in advance and I can see why one would want to avoid that [1]) and tell the apps to either use the encrypted tree or not? Then any app can be made to use the encryption

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-23 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Gabriel Ambuehl writes: On Friday 23 March 2007 17:17:50 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: avoid that [1]) and tell the apps to either use the encrypted tree or not? Then any app can be made to use the encryption features by virtue of providing it with proper paths. Yes, but I want to be able to have

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-23 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Gabriel Ambuehl writes: On Friday 23 March 2007 18:01:09 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: ~/file1 and ~/encrypted/file2 seems a lot easier to implement AND use to me... Implement, yes (since it's already been done). Use? I don't think so. You can actually use it right now, with almost every app

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

2007-03-24 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Clare Johnstone writes: Dear all, This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone. Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

2007-03-24 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Clare Johnstone writes: Yes, that is the whole problem. This would be an item in constant and casual use in the home, with no special precautions as might be used for knives, hot stoves or poisons, and bound to cause a curious child to experiment with it. clare The whole problem is that while

Re:[News]List of iphone competitors / neo appears twice :p

2007-04-04 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Their description of the Samsung F700 as their first touchpad phone is interesting. I've got an i300 on my belt... They also need a native English speaker to do a spelling-and-grammar check on their site. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: CrossPlatform Programming

2007-04-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
xnike writes: I just want to know is it good idea to use qt4 (not Qtopia) for OpenMoko's apps? Probably not, unless you've got a compelling reason to use it. Openmoko itself is GTK-based, so a non-GTK application will require lots of extra libraries on a platform that really doesn't have much

Re:Some light ahead...

2007-04-24 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Hurray! This is fantastic news. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Widgets: Openmoko/Chumby transproject?

2007-04-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Florent THIERY writes: If you're about Macromedia Flash (er, now Adobe), isn't it closed source? The neo has a closed source real time OS running the GSM part... OS? It's been said pretty consistently that it's a user-mode daemon. Still one more piece of closed source software than I like to

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