Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Attila Csipa wrote: On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ? it). I

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 10:42:09 Michael Shiloh wrote: three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end users in early to mid December. May I suggest taking pre-orders

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Rod Whitby wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: GTA02: -- We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made three prototype runs

Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??

2007-10-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Ok, that does it. No more pictures for my presentations! From now on my presentation tool will be vi. There are no secret projects plans, and DEFINITELY no plans to make an iPhone like device That third picture is just mean to represent that the Neo line does not end with the GTA02,

OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

2007-10-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi, I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, California: http://www.sdforum.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Calendar.eventDetaileventID=12934 The Software Developer Forum (SDForum) sponsors regular talks an various areas of technology.

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

2007-10-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
I may not have a chance to convert my slides to vi for this talk, although I'll bet a program exists to convert pdf to ascii art. Jeff Andros wrote: someone get video? I'd love to see the vi slides ;-) On 10/8/07, *Michael Shiloh* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

2007-10-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
Indeed, and many participants are active on this list as well. There is a good flow of information between the lists. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: There's a Homebrew Mobile Phone Club? I am so on the wrong coast. On 10/8/07, *Michael Shiloh* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update

2007-10-12 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello everyone, I have some updates for you, and a question. First the updates: The GTA01 units that were shipped in the past two weeks have satisfied the back orders for GTA01. There continues to be demand for GTA01 so we are building some more. GTA02 Wifi hardware has been working for

Re: Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update

2007-10-13 Thread Michael Shiloh
is great, but if it's dense it will only benefit the more hardcore hackers. I hope to eventually become one of those more hardcore hackers, but I feel like I need an entry point. :-) On 10/13/07, *Michael Shiloh* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I have

Re: Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update

2007-10-13 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 10/12/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus have made the decision to use this chip. That sounds like good news. It's not open-source but sounds like it should be easier to interface

Re: [Data Calls] over [Wifi Mesh network]

2007-10-15 Thread Michael Shiloh
. I presume from your subject that you want to use Wifi. If you want to get started before the end of the year, can your group start with GTA01 and and use Bluetooth as a temporary solution? 3. For questions and requests of this sort I'm a good place to start. Michael Shiloh Francesco Pistillo

Re: Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update

2007-10-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
Butt... For the old GTA01, that have the old chip, and that will not be used in the future, it is completely sufficient with a binary driver accessible thru the same interface as the GTA02 phones (even if it needs to be some function limitations). That's what originally stated anyway.

Re: Any update for the October release?

2007-10-22 Thread Michael Shiloh
know. Regards, Michael Shiloh Fred Janon wrote: Hi, I know everyone is working hard on the project, I just wonder if there is any update on the new version originally planned for October? I didn't see any update on the road map. Will there be an advanced kit as well? Thanks, keep up

Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??

2007-10-23 Thread Michael Shiloh
Andreas Utterberg wrote: Yes im sorry, i meant the GTA02 :-) and by release date i mean when its available for ordering. I realy want to have a neo, but want to wait for the 02 since i have heard something about nov-dec? is that correct? Hello Andreas, You are partially correct, we are

Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?

2007-10-24 Thread Michael Shiloh
Indeed I did, but I should take it one step further: If any of you spot a place in the wiki which mentions October, please replace it with November Even better, add in parenthesis (As of 24 October 2007: GTA02v3 currently being evaluated; GTA02v4 evaluation to start any day) Michael Jeff

Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

2007-10-24 Thread Michael Shiloh
Actually, you do make a good point. I should post my bi-weekly updates to the announce list as well. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Michael All I'm asking for is the occasional update on the announce list (what is that list for, anyway, if it's not for exactly this kind of

Re: Exact release date of GTA02v4?

2007-10-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello Andreas, and everyone else, Andreas writes: Thats no problem, i can be very patient. I think what the community want is just a date, when the device is planned to be shipped. Many years ago, I had a running joke with a co-worker. Every time someone said just we would role our eyes at

Re: Telemobilityforum

2007-10-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Marco, You could give a generic introduction to what OpenMoko is, why Open Source is a different approach, and how Open Source can foster innovation in any area (including mobility) in ways closed source simply can't. Community? Anything to add? Michael Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote:

state of the project message sent upon subscription

2007-10-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jeff, That's a great idea. I'll look into implementing this. Thanks, Michael Jeff Andros wrote: What about creating a state of the project email that is sent on subscribe, kind of a welcome to openmoko, here's what's going on: a 2 minute blurb to bring people up to speed, and reference

Re: Telemobilityforum

2007-10-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Alessandro Iurlano wrote: On 10/25/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marco, You could give a generic introduction to what OpenMoko is, why Open Source is a different approach, and how Open Source can foster innovation in any area (including mobility) in ways closed source simply

Community Update

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
. If you have other concerns or comments please send them to me, either directly or to the list. To save time, please refrain from re-opening previous discussions. Sincerely, Michael Shiloh Developer Relations ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: Community Update

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
Mike Montour wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: To save time, please refrain from re-opening previous discussions. Re-opening implies that there has been some previous closure, vs. a discussion that just trailed off into silence. Could you please provide regular updates on important items

Re: Community Update

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
Yes. You do realize that it is a legal issue that has been holding this up. But true, this is needed, and I'll find out what's going on. Michael Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 10/31/07, Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Delivery of the promised 'gllin' GPS binary to GTA01 owners (anything

Re: Community Update

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 10/31/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. You do realize that it is a legal issue that has been holding this up. But true, this is needed, and I'll find out what's going on. I thought the legal issue was resolved. Sorry for the confusion. I went back

Current status, and previous Community Updates: wiki page

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
I've created a wiki page to consolidate the current status, and provide a place for you to add questions and topics you'd like to see addressed. I've also created a page for each previous Community Update, for reference. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates I'd like to consolidate

Re: Current status, and previous Community Updates: wiki page

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
John Morrison wrote: One thing that I would like to suggest is that any time you reference a relative date you qualify it with the date you added the comment to the wiki. Good point. Done. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Community Update

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 10/31/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first legal issue was to allow for the distribution of the driver in binary-only form. That was resolved. The next issue was technical, and resulted from the switch from OABI to EABI. That issue has a number

Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello Community, I've just arrived in Taiwan and have figured out the quad band issue. The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead we support 900/1800/1900MHz. Anyone interested in more

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
band capabilities to end users)? On 11/5/07, *Michael Shiloh* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Community, I've just arrived in Taiwan and have figured out the quad band issue. The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Michael Shiloh writes: The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead we support 900/1800/1900MHz. How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Will do. Michael Steve wrote: Thanks for letting us know so quickly. This definitely gives me something to think about purchase wise. Please keep us informed as to any future plans for alternate tri-band or quad-band hardware. -Steve Michael Shiloh wrote: Unfortunately, this also affects

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
900MHZ support, though. -Tupshin Michael Shiloh wrote: Unfortunately, this also affects the GTA02, which is now far too close to production to try to enable quad-band operation. An 850/1800/1900MHz variant has been suggested but this is not yet determined. Michael Randall Mason wrote

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
, at times in rural areas. I wonder how often the lack of the 850 band would cause problems? I looked around some and couldn't find any good info on where 850 is used. Seems like this could affect a lot of people's decision to get the GTA02. digger On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 09:35 +0800, Michael

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
/1800/1900MHz variant would work for anyone in USA as it covers T-Mobile, and both bands of ATT right? On Nov 5, 2007 5:48 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Community, I've just arrived in Taiwan and have figured out the quad band issue. The chipset is capable of quad band

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
I hear you. Now that the 850MHz update is posted, I'll turn my attention to the 3G issue (GSM firmware update) and the GPS driver. I've only just starting to look into these (since I arrived in Taiwan) and I'll report in a new thread once I get a bit more information. Michael ian douglas

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-06 Thread Michael Shiloh
Mikko Rauhala wrote: Those who cry direct to FIC, and not on lists, about returning phones should IMAO be accommodated; they bought a quad-band device, even if it was a development one. However, in the interest of expediency, it'd be nice if those devices could find new homes directly instead.

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi, I'm still pressing on the GSM firwmare update. TI is supposed to have an answer for us, and we've been calling them daily. They are incredibly difficult to catch. (Same problem with Global Locate regarding the GPS driver) Michael ian douglas wrote: Al Johnson wrote: We should find

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
I was a little imprecise here. The circuit design, and thus board layout, is what limits the handset to 3 bands. The components selected (along with firmware and certification) select the 900/1800/1900MHz bands. Michael Randall Mason wrote: Michael said above that it was a question of a

Re: Let's move on to other issues

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Evgeny Ginzburg wrote: Ron Jeffries wrote: We have beaten the 850 Mhz issue to death. Likewise... Apple iPhone form factor and GUI is cool and Oh my God, Google's Gphone is the end of civilization (and OpenMoko). Let's shift our group energy to helping the OpenMoko team make this a killer

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Michael Shiloh
I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA controller, assuming Linux drivers can be found. Thoughts?

Re: list server reset

2007-11-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello, I'll look into this. Michael Marc Bantle wrote: Hi there, looks like somebody restored a 2 moth old backup on lists.openmoko.org: All my recent subscriptions are gone and emails from community@lists.openmoko.org come in on an email address I removed 2 month ago. Could

Re: Where are the updates?

2007-11-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
Good idea. This was mentioned before and I haven't done it yet. I'll copy the next update to the announce list. Michael justin daly wrote: i think it is, but i don't think everyone's hooked up to an rss iv. at least during the holidays :) any chance for an update on the announce list?

Re: Where are the updates?

2007-11-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi List, Last update was supposed to be just over 2 weeks ago, so I am a little late. I'm working on it now. Cailan: I plan to send an update at least every two weeks, more often if there is anything to report in between. Visit http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates for

November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Community, Some updates: GSM Firmware fix for 3G ATT users: Background: Until we figure out a way to let customers update their GSM firmware, I was offering to do it. Status: Unfortunately, I've not been able to connect reliably with the GSM hardware debug serial port. I'm working on

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 26, 2007, o godz 8:41 PM, przez Michael Shiloh: Hi Community, Hi Michael! What about neccessity to make fifth revision of GTA02? Do you confirm that ver. 4 of hardware is buggy? Thanks! Krzysztof ___ OpenMoko community

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
The gating factor is still the Wifi driver. We don't expect a5 to add much of a delay. Michael Felix Andersen wrote: So the public launch of GTA02 might be delayed further? mån 2007-11-26 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Michael Shiloh: Hi Krzysztof, I did get a description but I didn't understand

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Michael Shiloh ha scritto: The gating factor is still the Wifi driver. We don't expect a5 to add much of a delay. Michael Felix Andersen wrote: [snip] So what about to have a phisical switch for the 850Mhz issue in rev05 if it's not so complicated

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-27 Thread Michael Shiloh
move the wifi driver along? Or is the hold up somewhere inside Atheros or the madwifi team? Thanks! Michael Shiloh wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Michael Shiloh ha scritto: The gating factor is still the Wifi driver. We don't expect a5 to add much of a delay. Michael Felix Andersen

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Oh yes. Someone, please do this. I'll support in any way I can. Michael Robin Paulson wrote: ok, it's pointless, stupid and probably a waste of resources, but this has to be developed by somebody: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/28/1342248 it's a phone app that reports the

Re: Michael Shiloh interview on The Linux Link Tech Show

2007-11-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
Patrick Davila wrote: Michael was gracious enough to come on our show and talk about the great work you guys are doing: http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_221-11-28-07.ogg http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_221-11-28-07.mp3 Enjoy On the contrary, Patrick was gracious enough to have me on the

Re: Michael Shiloh interview on The Linux Link Tech Show

2007-11-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
Patrick Davila wrote: I haven't listened very far, so maybe it'll be said, but at what offset is the interview? The interview starts 00:02:18 into the show. It sounds like we end the interview after an hour but Michael sticks around for quite a bit longer to talk about some other topics. He

Re: Michael Shiloh interview on The Linux Link Tech Show

2007-11-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
Ben Burdette wrote: Patrick Davila wrote: Michael was gracious enough to come on our show and talk about the great work you guys are doing: http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_221-11-28-07.ogg http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_221-11-28-07.mp3 Enjoy I was relieved to hear that 850 mhz seems

GPS driver for GTA01 available

2007-11-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello, Thanks to a tremendous amount of hard work by many people, we have ready a release of gllin, the GPS drives. Here is how you can get it: 1. Visit http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/ Enter the gllin directory and accept the EULA 2. Download and install

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Michael Shiloh
Heikki Sørum wrote: When were talking about different ways to use accelerometers.. Bob meet's Alice and they both want each others contact information. First Bob and Alice shake their phones in an predetermined password pattern to unlock the bluetooth/zigbe/(whatever-short-range-radio). Then

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Michael Shiloh
WJCarpenter wrote: Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up and down Hmm, I think I can see what's coming, based on watching many wacky comedies over the years. Things will get switched. Alice will end up with the Neo full of cash while Bob wanders away with the Neo

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-12-03 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 10:51 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation could be to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone send a vibration pattern to the other. One could even exchange data

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-12-03 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jay Vaughan wrote: An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation could be to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone send a vibration pattern to the other. One could even exchange data that way at very very low speeds... B) This is really a great

Re: A problem with usb networking

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so... neo's dns is 192.168.200.200 Is it wrong? Are you sure you have your dns address in correctly? Whats in /etc/resolv.conf? ___ Copy your host machines resolv.conf into the

Re: A problem with usb networking

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ian Darwin writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: ... We had two different responses: 1) Mickey concluded it must be resolv.conf; 2) Dr. Schaller concluded the notebook doesn't have IP

Re: New To the list

2007-12-07 Thread Michael Shiloh
right now. (*) We try to tell you as much as possible, and we all wish it could be more. We're still learning how to do this. Michael Shiloh OpenMoko ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
As has been discussed earlier, this is not a change you can make yourself. Conceivably, you could change the components yourself, if you had the right equipment, but there are also changes to the firmware that you can not make yourself. There is no possibility of adding a switch, as a number

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
As mentioned earlier, this requires replacing a number of components, firmware changes, and recalibration. Michael Mark wrote: In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved.

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Yes, but not the recalibration or the firmware changes. One step at a time - let's see if these units work, and if so, we'll look into if there is any way to tackle the other issues. Michael Cliff Brake wrote: I would also be very interested in re-work instructions for modifying a GTA01 to

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jason Joines wrote: Is there any possibility of a future hardware version becoming quad band? As mentioned earlier, there is no chance that GTA02 will be quad-band. There is certainly a possibility that future products will be quad-band. Michael

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
of the GTA02, or are they going to be available way after that? On Dec 9, 2007 6:01 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get

850 Mhz testers: I have plenty now, so no more needed. Thanks!

2007-12-12 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello, Thanks everyone for your enthusiastic response. As might be imagined, a large number of you offered your services as testers for the 850MHz modified GTA01 phones. I have sufficient testers now, so no more emails please. Although I am sure there will be more who would like to

Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello, GTA01 850MHz Experiment --- As mentioned in the last update, we modified a couple of GTA01 handsets for 850MHz operation to test them in the USA. Due to the enthusiastic response I received to my request for testing volunteers I've asked our hardware group to modify

Re: Community update, GTA02v5 status?

2007-12-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Erland Lewin wrote: Thanks for the updates, Michael. Any update on how the GTA02v5 evaluation is proceeding? /Erland Hi Erland, As mentioned on 12/06/2007 We are waiting for confirmation of Wifi and a few other parts of the GTA02a4 hardware before we manufacture even a small test run

Re: Ultimatum

2007-12-23 Thread Michael Shiloh
Lorn Potter wrote: P.s. I'm not taking any time off, so if anyone wants their GSM firwmware upgraded I'm just as available next week as any time. What exactly is the procedure? Do you need the phone to be sent to you? Sadly, yes. Until the agreement with TI is signed, only OpenMoko

GSM Firmware Upgrade (was: Re: Ultimatum)

2007-12-24 Thread Michael Shiloh
, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lorn Potter wrote: P.s. I'm not taking any time off, so if anyone wants their GSM firwmware upgraded I'm just as available next week as any time. What exactly is the procedure? Do you need the phone

Apologies for spam - we will blacklist that account right away

2007-12-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
As most of you will surely guess, that email about magazine subscriptions was spam. We take your privacy very seriously and will take the necessary steps to prevent this poster from using our list again. Again, our apologies. Michael Shiloh

Re: Apologies for spam - we will blacklist that account right away

2007-12-25 Thread Michael Shiloh
Thanks Harish, I'll forward your suggestion to our IT person. Regards, Michael Harish Pillay wrote: May I make a suggestion to whoever is running this mailing list to add the greylist technique to it as well? I have had milter-greylist running on my main email servers for over 12 months now,

Re: Phase 2 hardware: when?

2007-12-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Mike, Mike wrote: On Mon December 24 2007, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Mike, Year's end is not very likely. I'll correct that. Can you tell me where you saw that? It's on the commercial site: http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html Why so it is. I think I wrote

Re: Circuit Diagram

2007-12-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Esben Stien wrote: Been looking on the wiki, but I cannot find neither the circuit diagram, block diagram, component list nor the pcb layout schematics. Any pointers as to where I can look?. Hi Esben, I think this is the best place to start:

Re: Case Schematics

2007-12-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Esben Stien wrote: I want to make a steel Neo case, but I need the schematics. Any reasons these are being held back?. Hi Esben, Yes, I'm afraid we are not able to open source the schematics. I think Harald or Werner explained this in a post somewhere - I'll see if I can find it. The

Re: Case Schematics

2007-12-31 Thread Michael Shiloh
://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases). I myself would be happy with something as simple as a Wavefront object file, since almost any CAD tool can import these. Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Gabriel Ambuehl writes: On Wednesday 26 December 2007 21:11:18 Michael Shiloh wrote

Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-02 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello everyone, Next week at CES we will formally preview GTA02 to the public. We are doing this at an invitation-only media event, and not the general show floor. To coincide with this we are sending out a press release tomorrow morning. The bulk of the press release discusses the hardware

noise while making a phone call: hardware or software?

2008-01-03 Thread Michael Shiloh
As we all know, during a call with GTA01 noise is heard in the speaker. I know this has been discussed in the past and I thought someone had found a soft way to solve this. One of the settings in the mixer was too high or something like that. I've been searching for this item but all I can

Re: noise while making a phone call: hardware or software?

2008-01-04 Thread Michael Shiloh
Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this. From your descriptions I agree, this seems to be a hardware issue. Furthermore, this seems to be Bugzilla Bug 883, which is assigned to Tony, our hardware guy. I'll follow up on this with him. Obviously we want to make sure this isn't present on

taking care of the spam on our mailing lists

2008-01-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
I am trying to find out why the spam poster is still on our list and to get it removed right away. Our IT guy is usually right on top of things so something must have happened. Michael Sébastien Lorquet wrote: I wonder why no one is taking care of blacklisting this single account :( All this

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Next week at CES we will formally preview GTA02 to the public. We are doing this at an invitation-only media event, and not the general show floor. To coincide with this we are sending out a press release tomorrow morning. The bulk

Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Ian, ian douglas wrote: Although it would be nice to take advantage of this faster processor, 3 problems make this impractical Michael, If I'm reading your message correctly, the GTA02 will indeed have a 500MHz processor, but will not be running at 500MHz because of the three

Neo security: running everything as root, and lacking a root password (was: Re: root)

2008-01-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Brandon, (I encourage everyone to use meaningful subject lines) I suspect the real reason was that it was the easiest and quickest thing to do at the time, and allowed the developers to focus on more pressing issues, like getting the rest of the system working. I'm sure this will change

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
look forward to seeing what you build. Having said that, I need to write a paper for an upcoming conference during which I'll be making just that point. All the best, Joseph Best wishes, Michael On 10/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joseph, If we knew the date

Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Jay, Thanks for your enthusiasm. Jay Vaughan wrote: We're still testing the hardware and gathering up little issues before determining whether we need to create another version of the board. We still expect to start shipping Neo FreeRunner sometime in the next few months. As always,

Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE I've added a link to these at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more, please add them here. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: Michael, Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this? On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael

Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Brad, I'm pretty sure that the only new things we mentioned were new hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and the accelerometers. Fixed GSM firmware is not new because that's already included in GTA01 units (those that shipped after we got the fixed

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Shiloh
Nicolas Linkert wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:41:09 +0100, Nils Faerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: snip So buttomline is I would not see it *that* black. Let's hope for the new modem firmware since the modem is currently the biggest standby current eater. I was under the impression that the

Re: Design of the outer edge of phone case

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Shiloh
Zeth Green wrote: Warning: Totally frivolous post. The picture on the news.com site, has the word FreeRunner written at the bottom and a rather cool all black look (i.e. no transparent edge). Is this photo a fake or is it a real photo of the new case? http://linkpot.net/stenched/ That

CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Community, Can't remember if I told you this or not, but OpenMoko has decided to make available the CAD files detailing the NEO case. I'm pretty sure the format will be .dxf files. To my limited understanding of CAD, this seems pretty universal and easy to convert to the other formats.

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Tim Niemeyer wrote: On another Thread was this: --- And please do get my message right - it is my *hope* that the new firmware will also improve PM since PM issues of the GSM are know to be caused by the firmware. There is no confirmation of this potential fix. Can anybody from Openmoko

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
yes, dxf is spot on Thanks for the confirmation. great, now we can swing into action and get al those alternative cases designed and built I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Yes, you did say they were going to try and make CAD files available. I'm happy to hear further confirmation back so soon. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get the files. DXF files should also be fine. I know of several free editors that can import

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 11:14 AM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you did say they were going to try and make CAD files available. I'm happy to hear further confirmation back so soon. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get the files. DXF files should

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 12:52 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this situation. A concrete phone? You can't make it anywhere

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Daniel Barkalow wrote: Anyone have access to useful manufacturing tools? I have friends with CNC mills and lathes, and one with a water jet cutter. I have indirect access to 3D printers. Anything else interesting out there? http://www.candyfab.org/ Other phones make their owners angry.

OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi, Sorry for the short notice. The monthly meeting of the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club (SVHMPC) is tonight, and the topic is open source Linux frameworks for mobile devices. Google will discuss Android, and I'll discuss OpenMoko. The meeting is free and is held at The Tech

Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
By the way, the wiki mentioned below is at http://hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO_Pages The website is a useful resource in general, and OpenMoko is mentioned there too. Michael Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Sorry for the short notice. The monthly meeting of the Silicon Valley

Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
Good question, Jeffrey, and you suggest a question that I'd like to ask you, the community: Why do you chose to develop on OpenMoko, rather than on Android? Or do you do both? (Beside the lack of Android hardware) Michael Jeffrey Thomas wrote: I am unable to attend this meeting due to

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