Renaissance Man schrieb:
On 20 Jan 2007, at 6:06 am, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus
shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide.
Does this mean it'll be shipping direct from openmoko.com with the
correct power plug for each
Hello.
Is Neo going to have more or less featurefill web browser (e.g. with
javascript machine, etc)?
- what is minimo status? is it alive at all?
- any chances to get opera or netfront ports?
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Hi,
There are several open source browser for GTK+ that could run in the Neo
such as Dillo and Skipstone.
Links (the graphical version), although is not based on GTK+, could be
another alternative.
AFAIK, none of those has support for javascript and DOM.
Which make those not very useful
Other lists: https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/
Could please someone of list admins add the new -devel list to gmane.org?
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so i wanted to ask you if you know a better way to install shr apps
under debian
The correct thing is to create debian packages for software in question.
Debian New Maintainer Guide [1] documents how to do so.
[1] http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb:
so i wanted to ask you if you know a better way to install shr apps
under debian
The correct thing is to create debian packages for software in question.
blah! sry but ipk and deb just differ in filetype...
No.
Distributions do call packages
If you hold down the AUX / corner key when you power up, you should
come up in NOR U-Boot with a menu on the LCM. If that's true, you
should have 30s to do the DFU you want to do before it times out.
Yes, I know that, but I'm unable to connect to the phone through
DFU protocol because
Here's an ugly hack to do what you suggest:
bash -c 'xmodmap -e pointer = 2 3 1; /root/bin/waitclick.sh;
xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3'
where /root/bin/waitclick.sh:
#!/bin/sh
input-events 1 21 | ( grep -q -m 1 released kill $$ )
I couldn't find a more elegant way but this
Here is a link to the script
http://www.filmsbykris.com/freerunner-debian/ko-keypad/ko-keypad
you need to have xautomation installed (apt-get install xautomation)
If can install xautomation on om2008 then this keyboard shouldl work on
it aswell
Hi
I've tried to start it on a FR running
One more question: if I use a menu item like this:
setenv menu_1 Boot from microSD (2008.12): setenv rootfstype=ext2
root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 \; mmcinit\; fatload mmc 1 0x3200 uImage.bin\;
bootm 0x3200
and then run menu_1 I always (even if booting the kernel has success)
see on the
Hi
I've put together a set of armel debian packages, including latest Albin's
e17 package with illume included. See
http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2009-January/000877.html
Yes, illume may be started on Debian now.
No, it is not usable yet.
Attempt to start it (by
I'm seaching for helo from people familiar with illume on how to
configure it properly. Given information is found, I will probably be
able to build a ready-for-users package.
Thanks for taking care of that.
Note that although we currently have e17 in your (or pkg-fso’s)
repository, you
both in terms of the standard python libraries and openmoko access?
Debian.
Because almost every python library is available as a debian package. And
all that may be immediately installed on Debian-based Freerunner.
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sending it to individual users seemed to be bad netiquette.
Not more than bottom-citing :)
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Hi all,
I installed e17 from fso repos (i removed the manually installed package
I was using)... but right now I'm not able to run englightenment_start
at startup as i did before in my .xsessionrc file because of this error:
error while loading shared libraries: libevas.so.0: cannot open
solution: i purged all the libraries coming from the deb package and
from the `apt-get install e17`... then i reinstalled e17 and updated all
the packages... now it works but i have no keyboard (just a piece ;-) )
if is there someone listening that uses e17 from fso-alioth repos with
success
the default is 10pt and that's so big you can't read anything
On my FR running Debian, 10pt is so small I can't read it. Have to set to
18 or larger.
Why this difference? Dpi should be configured somewhere?
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lxlauncher in turn does not depend on lxde -- so i installed it again
and started with xfce.
What lxlancher package version fo you have installed?
I have 0.2-2, and it just segfaults for me under matchbox session.
And that is already reported by someone as #498601 ...
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ImportError: libevas.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file
or directory
Some idea?
Your upgrade was incomplete. In particular, python-evas was not upgraded to
the version using newer evas library package.
Please run apt-get dist-upgrade, and if it won't help, post here the
Hi
I see, rtcwake does not work on freerunner:
freerunner:~# rtcwake -s 30
rtcwake: /dev/rtc0 not enabled for wakeup events
Is there any working methond to make freerunner suspend sleep and later
wakeup not later than at a given moment?
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If someone interested, i have packaged e17 for debian, you can download
it on www.mikecrash.com
Maybe you are interested in helping debian pkg-e team in making official
packages?
The issues are:
- large package base, and extremely low manpower in the team;
- constant API breakages in e
- constant API breakages in e libs, not handled properly by upstream -
so library packages have to be renamed, and upgrade paths provided.
And [1] has a simple example what these API breakages cause - one of many.
We really don't want this in Debian.
[1]
Am Saturday 21 February 2009 22:53:27 schrieben Sie:
G'evening,
I'd at least like to try to build an Etk gui for Pythm. Problem: I
have Debian running and don't really want to change that, so I'm
wondering if there are e17 widget lib(s) available for it. The
minimal etk gui example
Ideally I'd like to use debian + e17 + the SHR
phone apps on my freerunner...
Same here.
Has there been any progress on this? If not, is there some way I can
help?
I've built fresh packages for e17 stack, but not yet uploaded those to
pkg-fso. Will do that after an ack from somebody who
Check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review
You missed arora there, which currently is (one of) the best for debian.
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I wrote a small
dialer in python gtk and use normal applications from debian
(gpe-calendar, xvkbd keyboard, midori/firefox/arora/elinks browsers,
xchat, icewm window manager). This has give me a pretty stable no
surprises around corners environment with lots of applications and
let me to
i considered it but as i couldnt do finger scrolling (middle of the
window - swipe to scroll) i chose not to try and push the work back onto
the app to adapt to a limited window side.
Theoretically it should be possible to implement finger scrolling from the
middle of the window starting with
Hi !
I'm pleased to announce the third release of AUIMD, a user interface for
mobile devices written with PyQt. This version focuses on the usability
of the phone application and mainly adds support for a call log and
basic management of contacts.
Does phone application use FSO frameworkd,
the problem is... it can't be done... unless:
skip
Hmm...
I've heared about more or less generic gestures implementations. A quick
google search gives this:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gestikk-mouse-gesture-recognition-in-ubuntu.html
How do they do it?
Nikita
I contacted Elaine Turner in our sales department about this, and she
told me that the only issue she had ever known about was a person who
ordered the units to be delivered to the United States as 850/1800/1900
phones, and then had the units shipped to Europe.
When they contacted us to
hi all,
there are some versions of packages (a lot) in sid/squeeze which i'd
like to use on my freerunner - does anyone know if there is a
simple-ish process for installing either? could the debian install
script be adapted to do it?
If running debian on freerunner, you may use aptitude or
yes, but the packages i need require a long chain of dependencies from
sid/squeeze, and i don't want to do that - i'll get a broken system
very quickly. i'd rather get the whole OS
is there way in lenny to reliably upgrade to sid/squeeze?
Officially, Debian supports only upgrades between
Hi,
I'm playing with other window managers in Om2009, like matchbox and
icewm.
All the apps that I run use insanely small fonts and buttons. Same as
when you run them in pure X. Does anyone have an idea how to change this
behaviour? Is it through some env variables?
Try to start X with
there is no functional harm to top posting, only that it violates your
preference.
There is.
With top posting, it may be, and often is, hard to understand what
patricular part of previous message(s) author is answering to.
Because of that:
- reading and understanding discussion becomes much
I'd like to submit a bug report with a suggestion to remove the -o
sync option, but before I do, I wonder if anybody can tell me if
there is a valid reason to be using sync on all automounted drives.
The reason is - if mount is not sync, something is writtent to the device,
and then device is
I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one
number is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure)
cases where this would give false positives?
Here in Russia +7916xxx and
Are there any other browsers on the FR, that might work?
alternatives:
* woosh: It has problems with complicated webpages (ie. javascripts)
* eve: proof-of-concept stage (enlightenment based browser), a demo
video here: http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/
* fennec: the freerunner is not
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nikita V. Youshchenkoyo...@debian.org
wrote:
arora.
Works well as a browser.
I installed version 0.5 (from ubuntu repositories), it required 18MB
dependencies and use qt.
Debian currently has 0.8
However I dont see a way of changing user agent, so I
GPRS worked fine.
Could you please post an explanation on how to test/use gprs on debian?
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http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=133759
4
I found a screenshot on:
http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/telefonia/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-con-ma
emo-5_29935-10.html
where it seems there is a phone app running, but I'm not sure it's a
GSM/UMTS call, it may be
How old frameworkd do you have in Debian? All issues with IdleNotifier
should be already fixed!
the official one is still 5.1, and there are packages by heiko stübner
for 5.5 from mid-august (i guess, the packages are from august 20th).
isn't there a way to follow the shr releases for
SHR uses always newest frameworkd from git, as frameworkd from git is
rather kept stable all the time ;)
ok. brings me back to my old question: how does one create deban
packages from git?
Debian packaging for fso components is done from git.
Pkg-fso repositories in git.debian.org are
Debian packaging for fso components is done from git.
Pkg-fso repositories in git.debian.org are clones of repositories on
git.freesmartprone.org, with debian packaging files added on separate
branches.
could you give some step by step commands?
how do i check out the most recent
I'm quite glad with the new E17 and Zhone packages in the main Debian
archive. The only package you really need from the (still enabled by
default) pkg-fso archive is the kernel, so this is very good progress.
The kernel is of course a hard thing and involves work from all
Openmoko kernel
could someone please post a working set of fso packages for debian? the
last working configuration i had were packages from july, but i did not
save them anywhere ...
Why not use packages from pkg-fso repository?
Those are a bit uotdated, but at least don't crash.
And newer set is being
could someone please post a working set of fso packages for debian?
the last working configuration i had were packages from july, but i
did not save them anywhere ...
Why not use packages from pkg-fso repository?
From main debian repository, to be more correct - fso-frameworkd is already
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 11:23:58PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you install
it and run it, you will get your screen blanked after a minute. To
avoid that, one needs to start mokomaze under fsoraw wrapper. Making
this happen
For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you
install it and run it, you will get your screen blanked after a
minute. To avoid that, one needs to start mokomaze under fsoraw
wrapper. Making this happen automatically while staying within
debian policy could be a
That will result in two icons in launchers.
why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm
and copy the matching one?
Not for arm but for fso-controlled device.
And depending on a result of such a check, different .desktop files should
be installed under
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:52:53PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
That will result in two icons in launchers.
why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for
arm and copy the matching one?
Not for arm but for fso-controlled device.
Or more precisely
Not for arm but for fso-controlled device.
Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at
runtime, not installation time.
Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager
(or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso
AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by
all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen
mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also
support it.
x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until
i installed shr-[dialer|contacts|messages] and after some trying wnet to
restart X completely, to make sure ophonekitd is started correctly.
turns out, it was a big mistake: X doesn't start anymore.
no errors, no messages, nothing but
waiting for X server to shut down
i tried different
Does this happen even if you manually start X server by typing 'X' in
ssh session?
no. and i can start X apps with
DISPLAY=:0 lxpanel
so, looks like vt allocation doesn't work correctly with startx/nodm.
What happens is some X client causes X server to crash. Although it is
definitly a
well, just got joachim's mail at smartphones-userland and it turns out
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd
is the culprit.
removed that file -- and back to normal again.
thank's for your patience.
Still unclear why there was a sigsegv mentioned in your original mail.
Still unclear why there was a sigsegv mentioned in your original mail.
true.
the sigsev happened when starting _without_ an xorg.conf.
afaik, Xorg has an automatism to detect valid values instead -- maybe
xserver-xorg-vido-glamo fails to support that automatism somehow?
Thanks for info.
evas_object_resize(win-win, 480, 600);
is what we do.
yepp. and it does not resize correetly on at least LXDE and apparently
IceWM -- in my LXDE it is far from 480x600, less than a quarter (approx
80x120).
May this be dpi-related? Could you please try with different X server dpi
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
program specified minimum size: 198 by 350
program specified maximum size: 198 by 350
...
the way the contents are specified for the window, it isnt resizable.
the app
is in control of this.
All SHR apps have these values
Am Mittwoch 16 September 2009 13:37:28 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko:
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
program specified minimum size: 198 by 350
program specified maximum size: 198 by 350
...
the way the contents are specified for the window, it isnt
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:13:16PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
Am Mittwoch 16 September 2009 13:37:28 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko:
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
program specified minimum size: 198 by 350
program specified maximum size: 198
glamofb cmdLQueue never got empty
had a second look and it's actually
glamofb cmd_queue never got empty
since the fr is unable o resume hasslefree, it doesn't resume correctly
either when a call comes in -- deal breaker.
si anyone at all using xserver-xorg-video-glamo, in debian or any
Hi guys,
I have already falsh QtMoko on my device and I have recived this error:
neo:~# apt-get update
...
W: GPG error: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release:
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public
key is not
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
program specified minimum size: 198 by 350
program specified maximum size: 198 by 350
...
the way the contents are specified for the window, it isnt
resizable. the app
is in control of this.
All SHR apps have
well, here's the real mccoy:
Traceback (most recent call last):
...
Thanks for your report.
But please post such things either to pkg-fso-ma...@lists.alioth.debian.org
list, or directly into debian BTS (http://bugs.debian.org/).
If posted to community@lists.openmoko.org, information may
If posted to community@lists.openmoko.org, information may be not seen
by relevant people.
well, imo community has the biggest chance to be read by the relevant
people.
frinst i am not sure, if the issue at hand is confined to debian (fixed
in most recent fso git or whatever) and if other
community@ is a bit high-traffic, don't you find so ;-)
no doubt about that -- but then again: you catched, didn't you ;-)
I've only sent a link to your post to pkg-fso-maint - I won't work on the
fix myself, at least not in ongoing days :(
a matter like incomplete unicode handling is no
so, where does one do that?
There is a way, although it is a bit hacky. Or at least requires some
typing :).
E supports xdg menu spec [1].
In that spec, menu is constructed using data from individual .desktop files
under /usr/share/applications/. However, this process is controlled by
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote:
Can I find out what partitions I have on NAND in my FreeRunner, and
mount them from Linux?
(I am currently running QtMoko v11, booted from p2 on a SD card)
mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6
u-boot being slower to boot.
Just FYI.
I was involved in recent MontaVista's boot-in-one-second presentation.
That demo did use u-boot (although somewhat changes) in the one-second boot
process. Kernel got control there in about 0.3 seconds since poweron.
So claim that u-boot is unable to do
What
you _can_ do is construct a mini Linux environment that provides a boot
menu / usb-dfu, and is booted by Qi in the normal way. This would place
those tools in regular Linux userspace, i.e. much more accessible to
regular non kernel / bootloader hackers. This could be the default or
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:36:54AM +0100, George Brooke wrote:
There was a thread on the devel list see here:
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1980163%7Ca1980163
That link isn't working, it just gives a nearly blank page.
It worked for me in Firefox, but not in konqueror.
following the wiki i started navit with
fsoraw -r Display,CPU navit
nevertheless, the display went blank after the idle timeout defined in
frameworkd.conf.
Could you please do two simple things:
*) check the state of FSO resources while running the above command.
This may be done with
Where did you get the libgee1 package from?
he probably installed it when it was still there ;)
1. Discover snapshot.debian.net :)
2. Updated fso-usaged package will be in archive later today.
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because i hadn't nderstood it in deep:
when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for
example an ext3 of it,
would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6) ?
You may create ext3 on top of mtdblock6, however this will be slower than
ext3, and
because i hadn't nderstood it in deep:
when i would for example do an nand_erase on mtd6 and would make for
example an ext3 of it,
would this work or is the jffs necessary for writing into nand (mtd6)
?
You may create ext3 on top of mtdblock6, however this will be slower
than
Just saw the announcement on lwn.net for the Yocto Project.
This aims to create a standard build system for embedded systems. Sounds
like it might be an interesting way to build for the FreeRunner.
Of course it also sound like 'yet-another-build-system' tool.
Just wanted to high-lite this
Good thing is, that we also are already planning the gta05, and there
I'm organizing an amazing, cool and totally innovative new chassis in
addition. Can't tell too much as long as the specs are not CC-License,
but: It's TOTALLY cool ;-D
New chassis? Do you accept wishlist items - such as a
This is a good idea to offer your GTA01 for others to upgrade.
@all:
I think it would be great if others could follow.
We have some requests to provide old GTA01/02 components,
but we don't have enough for everyone who want to have a
new GTA04 but lack a GTA01/02.
So if you find
Hi all,
while I am still fiddling with GTA04 production yield issues, I think it
is important to reason about the big view.
So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on
(kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward
the Openmoko community a small or
May I ask why you need a (mechanical) keyboard?
Because typing text on hardware keyboard (at least, one on N900 or on
SonyEricsson sk18i that I'm using currently) is 10 times faster than doing
so on any onscreen keyboard I've seen.
Having keyboard actually turns a phone (i.e. device to do
The GTA04 is not only designed as a motherboard replacement for the
Openmoko devices, but also as a core module to easily develop other
devices from it.
/me is interested if it is possible to put this into case of any
currently-on-market phone with hardware keyboard (perhaps throwing away
we get sportive spirit by competition.
So the question is, with whom we (this community) are competing?
Maybe better to ask, who is the intended user of free phone?
Below I'm speaking for myself (sorry for that), but I think that my
situation is not that uncommon.
I'm in free software for
It has become a little quiet here in the last weeks so that I
really fear about the spirit and status of this community.
So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds?
What would you like as future hardware? What to see in software
distros? Anything else? What missing piece
So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds?
What would you like as future hardware? What to see in software
distros? Anything else? What missing piece are you waiting for?
If a solid open phone platform with up-to-date computing power and
connectivity features *and*
we have developed a prototype for a 80 button QWERTY keyboard PCB ...
That's cool news, thet put some hope on top of current
lots-of-garbage-but-no-usable-device style smartphone market.
b) design a 3D printable case with key-caps that is robust enough
I suggest using a scissor mechanism
Some more general thought: I am not sure how we should handle such ideas
and how this community sees its role.
Should we announce/publish immediately as soon as we have a prototype?
And ask the community for comments and participation in improving it? Or
should we silently finish some design
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