Re: QT/GTK madness

2008-05-23 Thread Robert Taylor
elektrolott wrote: I really don't understand you people. Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones .. I just want to second this post and second Ivo Anjo's post as well. My thanks to all the Moko project folks, FIC and Trolltech as well. You guys are putting up with unwarranted

Re: Freerunner v. HTC v. ....

2008-05-24 Thread Robert Taylor
Steven Le Roux wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comparing with the FreeRunner hardware wiki page:

Re: Freerunner v. HTC v. ....

2008-05-24 Thread Robert Taylor
Steven Le Roux wrote: and we are talking about a phone... so the camera... is clearly NOT a priority for a first phone;.. fortunately there is no keyboard ;) ! or where's the point with the touchscreen... -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux PDA with wifi?

2008-05-31 Thread Robert Taylor
Mike, why not consider using the moko smartphone as a pda? PDA's aren't that much more powerful than the moko thus you won't really be running anything but what you run on the smartphone anyway, plus they usually have few connectivity routes, extremely short battery lifespans and generally

Re: new iphone

2008-06-02 Thread Robert Taylor
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? If you are willing to exchange your freedom for a few

Re: new iphone

2008-06-02 Thread Robert Taylor
Christian Benke wrote: Oh, and not to forget the choice - people are not homogenized - We have created the software this way and this is the right way, you can't dislike it, obey doesn't happen, hundreds of people create and recreate the software to reflect their individual choice and it's much

Re: possibility to purchase a moko before beginning of July

2008-06-02 Thread Robert Taylor
Hi. No biggie on the timing here guys, no pressure at all. I'm just happy to have a free device finally. Just out of curiosity, I'm going on Vacation in July and I was wondering about how to snag one. Will access be via distributors/resellers, online store or some other method? Should I

Re: possibility to purchase a moko before beginning of July

2008-06-02 Thread Robert Taylor
Steven Kurylo wrote: Not even two hours ago Steve sent an update on production status. Yup I'm aware of that. This email is just contingency planning just in case they get a production run out in time, if not it's all good. Will access be via distributors/resellers, online store or

Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-03 Thread Robert Taylor
Wow, I didn't know that. Google does contribute to various open source projects, but they sure as hell don't seem to drink the punch. Thanks for the info, that completely defines my view of Android. And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that beggars the imagination.

Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-05 Thread Robert Taylor
You know, you are jokingly commenting about this ... ... but i'm fully setting mine up as a mame emulator. I think that while initially moko is positioned for the technically experienced, I believe we have a device here that can trully do something unique - become a portable general computing

Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-05 Thread Robert Taylor
Lally Singh wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/5/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Michael. The only reason I want a Freerunner, is because it is open. Open's great. But Open+Powerful

Re: Is case design changing for GTA03?

2008-06-08 Thread Robert Taylor
With a modular design like that, then you could have one device shipped out with many configurations possible. You could then buy the external case for playing games, one with a keyboard, etc. That would really set it appart. So how about thinking of th 03 and onward in such a modular way?

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-09 Thread Robert Taylor
Chris Wright wrote: 2008/6/9 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font - possible (3

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Jorge . wrote: Hello everyone, I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy an openmoko is the freedom. But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Ortwin Regel wrote: There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me the

Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Roland H├Ąder wrote: My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market asks for this: - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is mentioning as subject for removal. - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features assumptions

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Ortwin Regel wrote: Reading these posts of the last few days it has just occurred to me that it's not Carsten we should be beating up on here. Who the heck asked for translucency and flashy animations? Management seem to be asking for this alpha bleeding rubbish, and it seems to me that we

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 - product management, features assumptions

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Ken Young wrote: This is especially true because if the GTA03 tries to be an iPhone clone, it will be at best a half-assed iPhone clone. The hardware just isn't competitive with an iPhone's. If the GTA03 has QVGA, will it have fast 3G networking? No. Will it have a state-of-the-art

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Andy Powell wrote: At some point we're going to start explaining to the folks at OM that we can't actually afford to buy every model they produce to help fund this evolution... I really don't want to have a collection of interesting but ultimately useless devices - Let's face it the

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Jorge . wrote: Just look Ebay, amazon, etc... you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the price they have with ATT, in fact there is no ATT in my country, an i could buy one on many shops in the downtown (dont misunderstand me, i want the FreeRunner!!). I am sure it will happen again

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Robert Taylor wrote: Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap your fingers and you get everything instantly? It sure sounds like you aren't interested in the openness of the moko but more of a consumer device ... yes / no? I'm with you on the multitude

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Jorge . wrote: No doubt, but you can buy unlocked iPhones on many places, including internet and they dont cost $960 Thats ONLY because you can buy an iPhone right now WITHOUT a contract. You won't be getting the same phoen pricing with the new iPhone, that is guaranteed - to break a

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
ian douglas wrote: Exactly. Whether you get the iPhone, a Freerunner, a Nokia, a Samsung, whatever... you still need to pay for the cellular service. Yes, it's cheaper if you buy pay-as-you-go service, and yes, if you buy the 'locked' iPhone (retail box from ATT) you *must* buy into a

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Jorge . wrote: Hello, This post is going further my expectations :) so, lets put the things in order: Okay. 1) FreeRunner and its freedom is the best, so we dont need an argue about the good reasons to buy one :) Right! 2) In countries where you have to sign a two year contract,

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
ian douglas wrote: alking about what's subsidized and what's not. We're comparing how much money have I paid out of my pocket after two years to compare a 2-year contract requirement versus owning a Freerunner. Well yes we are. If the moko was subsidized it would effectively be free.

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Andy Powell wrote: Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap your fingers and you get everything instantly? Mmm... I'm trying to work out if you just being an arse or you have a question in there. I'd like you to point out where I said anything about

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Michael T. Dean wrote: On 06/10/2008 06:21 PM, ian douglas wrote: While I'm not trying to encourage any bitter feelings whatsoever, I'm curious how you calculated the iPhone costs twice as much as the Freerunner when you look at the bottom line of how many dollars you've spent after

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
ian douglas wrote: Robert Taylor wrote: Just compare equal things. We'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of equal. Hear me out: Hi! :-) I really do mean well but I'm not dropping this. You still have it wrong. If the moko was subsidized out of pocket expense

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: not so simple. i think he business plan is changing because before this happened with the 1st iphone. people could buy without contract. it was assumed that the phone lock would force people to get a contract anyway and apple bore the risk by losing

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: now it changes with the 3g iphone. you must sign up when you buy. sure - you can now take that phone, unlock it, re-sell it, but you are stuck with a contract you must keep paying for... with no phone to use on that contract unless you buy another phone

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

2008-06-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Robert Taylor wrote: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Precisely. And if you want to quit your contract you will pay A FEE that will make your phone far more expensive than $600. I wish people would stop saying nonsense. It really doesn't matter if you unlock the phone

Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Robert Taylor
ian douglas wrote: Robert Taylor wrote: I'm not dropping this. You still have it wrong. Hi Robert, I'm not trying to win the overall argument, I just want you to acknowledge that my position is as valid as your own, as I do for your position in point #2 below. Ian, I acknowledge

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)

2008-06-11 Thread Robert Taylor
Kevin Dean wrote: I'm an American and your statement confuses me. Why is it obvious that a contract without a phone should be cheaper? The service (cellular connectivity for voice and/or data) is the same service no matter what phone you have. In the US, the price of service contracts

Re: SIM cards for Freerunner

2008-06-11 Thread Robert Taylor
ian douglas wrote: But the carriers in America, in my experience (and I currently use a phone on each of Verizon, ATT and TMobile), simply don't discount their monthly plan rates for using an unlocked phone on their network. Whatever portion of your monthly plan isn't otherwise going

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-11 Thread Robert Taylor
Nkoli wrote: ... As a tmobile USA (non New York) user, 3G can wait till 2009 for all I care, but EDGE is definitely a necessity. Since the rest of the world will have been using 3G for 2-5 years by the time GTA03 is released, not having 3G in that device will be a really bad idea. Forget

moko running everything as root

2008-06-13 Thread Robert Taylor
Peter Nijs wrote: no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good luck!. there is reality - and you can sit and hack away spend lots of time and get 1 case to work, and work well. as i said -

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-14 Thread Robert Taylor
Nigel Cunningham wrote: That's too bad. I was going to buy GTA02, but decided not to because it lacks 3G. If GTA03 is going to lack it too, I guess I'd better look elsewhere for something / re-evaluate how long I want to wait before combining my organiser and phone into one. Nigel

Re: Why not use votation system?

2008-06-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Michele Renda wrote: Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. I have a far better idea. Why don't we kill this frickin thread and ban anyone from the mailing list for ever bringing this up? Do we have to suffer noobs forever on really retarded topics? I'd

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Francesco Albanese wrote: As I already pointed out, re-establishing the correct privilege isolation is a fundamental step to enforce security, even though the phone will have only 1 user. In the future we should have a few root process, dedicated accounts for daemons and a X session belonging

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Kevin Dean wrote: the om represents a device more powerfull than the computer linux was developed on. i am not sure i understand you correctly, but for me it sounds like you saying user/group separation is meaningfull for servers only (and only because physical access can be prevented), for

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Kevin Dean wrote: I understand how and why permission seperations exist. :) What I'm saying is that if we sit back and evaluate how this device is going to be used in the vast majority of cases, you'll realize that unlike a desktop or server system, the data that a non-root user can delete is

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Kevin Dean wrote: In the mobile world, there is NOTHING more important than the user's data. Nothing. And in the mobile world, you can impliment root priv seperations till the cows come home, but it doesn't eliminate the fact that the most vulnerable part of the system is being put at risk

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: If you have root AND user, root can make a backup copy of user's valuable data every once in a while, and user or the virus she imported while browsing the web can NOT destroy this backup. I can't follow your arguments. It's NOT an evil person we need to fence in,

Re: My blog: Photo Tour Of The ASU

2008-06-17 Thread Robert Taylor
Kevin Dean wrote: Hi everyone. Over the weekend I took perhaps 50 or so screenshots of the ASU on a Freerunner. A lot of them are repetitive, simply showing all of the options on a given application. But others are interesting and show some new or under-reviewed applications. I've taken

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-18 Thread Robert Taylor
Knight Walker wrote: Encryption is another matter, and one I will want addressed before too long. I've got some ideas on how it can be done, but I'll need to see more of the OM system live before I can begin to decide if my ideas are feasible or if they need changing. -KW Encryption is

Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing

2008-08-12 Thread Robert Taylor
This is great news. I am looking forward to running a distro on this thing with a PROPER security model ... no users running as root. Thanks for linkage! R. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org