Re: power of apt-get install example: Linksys NSLU2 is now official supported by Debian installer, 2. free ARM emulator QEMU

2006-11-16 Thread Rod Whitby
to install, but perhaps not as optimised or robust, platform. -- Rod Whitby -- NSLU2-Linux Project Lead, waiting for a Neo ... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Maybe two phone calls via 9.6 kbit/s data call possible Re: encrypted phone calls ; )

2006-11-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Robert Michel wrote: PS: The data call could be made to any ISDN Internet dail in point, or you could use an old GSM phone with modem and RS232 or usb and connect it to a box - e.g. NSLU2 ;) Maybe not the best box for encrypted phone calls, the ethernet driver is not yet open source. On the

Re: OpenMoko at SCALE

2006-11-28 Thread Rod Whitby
-source firmware based on OpenEmbedded (which makes SlugOS and OpenMoko sister Linux distributions). We'd be happy to make some room for a demo OpenMoko device. Send Tom an email if you're interested. -- Rod Whitby -- NSLU2-Linux Project Lead

Re: Light sensor

2006-11-30 Thread Rod Whitby
Alexander Steinert wrote: Ivan Lucas, Thu 2006-11-30 23:34 CET Talking about using the Microphone as a sensor reminded me of an idea I had some time ago, I'm regularly in noisy places such as crowded railway stations or bars. Wouldn't it be good if the neo1973 could check the ambient

Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

2007-01-17 Thread Rod Whitby
Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote: On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote: Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth. At least with linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed. Neos won't be

Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

2007-01-17 Thread Rod Whitby
Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote: Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :( It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ... I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network

Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

2007-01-17 Thread Rod Whitby
Alexander McLeay wrote: On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth connection. I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial

Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones

2007-01-18 Thread Rod Whitby
:-)] -- Rod Whitby -- NSLU2-Linux Project Lead ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OpenMoko at SCALE

2007-01-20 Thread Rod Whitby
For those people going to SCALE who are looking ahead to putting a small server on your home or work network so your Neo can access the internet via bluetooth, make sure you visit the NSLU2-Linux booth. Sean, please talk to Tom King at the booth and see what a MokoSlug can do. -- Rod Whitby

How licensing discussions can tear communities apart

2007-01-21 Thread Rod Whitby
this community apart before it has even properly formed. -- Rod Whitby -- NSLU2-Linux Project Lead ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Rod Whitby
. This mailing list is currently the *public* face of the OpenMoko development community. Please don't make us feel embarrassed to be associated with it ... -- Rod Whitby -- NSLU2-Linux Project Lead ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

2007-01-29 Thread Rod Whitby
Oleg Gusev wrote: Free-Software-only is the goal, but it's unfortunately not easy to achieve and depends on our common efforts. Mike wrote: Are you one of the people running the OM project? Oleg Gusev wrote: No. Then on what basis, Oleg, do you make the statement Free-Software-only is the

Re: idea: linuxtogo wiki: Linksys NSLU2 and Neo 1973 HOWTO (Was: Why do I want WiFi?)

2007-01-30 Thread Rod Whitby
Brad Midgley wrote: If you do go this route, I'd suggest you get a class 1 bluetooth adapter. You won't get 100m range, but in my experience when one side of the bluetooth link is a class 1 radio, you'll increase the range by 50 to 100% over the standard 10m. The bluetake bt007ex is a great

Re: Is vim included out-of-the-box or shall i port?

2007-02-02 Thread Rod Whitby
*all* those constraints apply. The idea is that you ssh into the embedded device, and then run vim. Or Nano. Or Emacs (which is my preferred editor) :-) (Yes, Emacs runs nicely on an NSLU2) -- Rod Whitby -- NSLU2-Linux Project Lead ___ OpenMoko community

Re: IRC logs, anyone?

2007-02-03 Thread Rod Whitby
Marnix Klooster wrote: I'm not an IRC guy, usually, but I like to browse IRC logs every once in a while. Are there IRC logs of #openmoko available anywhere? The NSLU2-Linux project (which I lead) is happy to provide both live and archived logs of #openmoko (and any other future OpenMoko

Re: Missed call communication protocol

2007-02-07 Thread Rod Whitby
wim delvaux wrote: On Wednesday 07 February 2007 12:16:33 Richard Bennett wrote: As far as I know there is no networks charge for a rejected call from a mobile, and initiating a call from the openmoko to a number that always returns a 'busy' would also be free of charge. This gives us a free

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

2007-02-08 Thread Rod Whitby
Make sure you don't misread Sean's announcement - Phase 2 refers to the mass public sales of the v1 device. The 'introduction' of the v2 device at that same time will most likely be in the form of web pages, not v2 hardware. That doesn't preclude minor hardware changes between Phase 1 and Phase

Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)

2007-02-24 Thread Rod Whitby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something else your post made me think of: Many engineering programs have labs that involve a particular hardware platform. ... All this at an extremely inexpensive price. I'll bet most lab platforms are much more expensive as they are low volume development platforms.

Re: Back from FOSDEM

2007-02-25 Thread Rod Whitby
Richard Bennett wrote: Sadly I missed the Friday beer event due to a work emergency - typical! But I caught Sean and Dr Mickey at the presentation this afternoon. It was a pretty funny event, because there were so many people... There must have been about 200 people in an room that normally

FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-26 Thread Rod Whitby
Ole Tange wrote: I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is acceptable. What is the easiest way to distribute the video?

Re: That other thing that everyone asks

2007-02-26 Thread Rod Whitby
Ole Tange wrote: So it is confirmed: The thing I think of is added in the summer-2007-model. It's already Summer in 2007 here ... [Insert rant about northern-hemisphere-centric milestone naming ...] Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-26 Thread Rod Whitby
denis wrote: Paul Bonser schrieb: Sean already said that they will be giving some sort of discount on the v2 phone for those who buy the v1 phone... I know that. But what is the discount? Is it 20% or 50%? I won't buy a phone from which I know there will be a better version available 6

Re: MokoMakefile network problem?

2007-03-01 Thread Rod Whitby
Wil Chung wrote: Hi all, I spent the afternoon reading through the new wiki and trying to install openembedded on my machine, mostly to try and compile a demo. I didn't realize I didn't need to build openmoko from scratch to compile the demos, so I dabbled in using MokoMakefile I

Re: Idea: Mass Text Messaging

2007-03-04 Thread Rod Whitby
Ryan Kline wrote: Could anyone write this as an extension to the openmoko software? Yes, anyone could. That's the beauty of open source :-) -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Setting mplementation expectations correctly (Was: Idea: Mass Text Messaging)

2007-03-04 Thread Rod Whitby
Ryan Kline wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Rod Whitby wrote: Ryan Kline wrote: Could anyone write this as an extension to the openmoko software? Yes, anyone could. That's the beauty of open source :-) I meant, would anyone write this as an extension to the openmoko software? I expect

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

2007-03-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070306 23:17]: On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:33 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that will be available this month will only be a developers board, without a phone casing =

Re: The 911 button? how is it set up?

2007-03-10 Thread Rod Whitby
Clare Johnstone wrote: Hi all, Just looking at the information on the Wiki about the hardware, I got curious about the so-called 911 button. I am supposing it is for emergency calls, but is my country (Australia) alone in not using that number for emergencies? It's now called the AUX

Re: Crossroads

2007-03-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Mike wrote: SmartPhone Connect and Data Connect ONLY? All t-mobile data plans will work? All? Are you with the openmoko project or is your advice conjecture? Is your advice official? This is my point. I would shut up since on this subthread, I look like the only one with the

OpenMoko external developers hits the 1000 mark!

2007-03-14 Thread Rod Whitby
By virtue of being able to track the IP addresses of people who download the MokoMakefile (a utility that makes it easy for new developers to set up an OpenMoko build environment), I can now report that (according to the download logs) over 1100 people at unique IP addresses have downloaded the

Re: Mokomake mkae setup fails

2007-03-27 Thread Rod Whitby
Ewan Marshall wrote: Make setup for mokomakefile is giving this error: mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting This I can do nothing about. Either OpenMoko Inc. needs to find a monotone server that can handle the load, or you just need to keep

MokoMakefile now supports building the Neo1973 emulator

2007-04-05 Thread Rod Whitby
MokoMakefile now has support for building the Neo1973 emulator: make setup-qemu build-qemu flash-qemu are the new targets. I will add some run-qemu-* targets over the next week. In other news, over 2000 people at unique IP addresses have downloaded the MokoMakefile. This has grown from 1000

MokoMakefile now supports running the Neo1973 emulator

2007-04-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Rod Whitby wrote (on the community list): MokoMakefile now has support for building the Neo1973 emulator: make setup-qemu build-qemu flash-qemu are the new targets. I will add some run-qemu-* targets over the next week. These are now done: make qemu will build qemu-neo1973, download

Re: Mokomakefile error

2007-04-10 Thread Rod Whitby
Eric Heinemann wrote: I just updated to the newest Mokomakefile and I get the following error on gentoo and Ubuntu Applying patch sysvinit-inittab-duplicated-lines.patch patching file trunk/oe/packages/sysvinit/sysvinit/fic-gta01/inittab Hunk #1 FAILED at 33. 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED --

Re: Always-on networking via GPRS

2007-05-02 Thread Rod Whitby
Nuutti Kotivuori wrote: USB-networking is probably no problem since it shows up as a normal ethernet device on both ends. But how to do Bluetooth networking? One choice would be to do Bluetooth PAN. This would require 'pand' and modules on the Neo1973 side. The device should be configured as a

Re: Information on importing mobile phones into Australia

2007-05-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Simon Matthews wrote: I noticed that Australia is not mentioned on the list of countries you can ship to direct. Is this correct? FIC has shipped me two phones on separate occasions, and both work on Vodaphone in Australia (and I presume all the other 2G networks too). -- Rod

OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-12 Thread Rod Whitby
kenneth marken wrote: but the neo seems to be designed from day one to be made from virtually of the shelf parts. FIC is just the hired factory (like how apple do for their stuff or microsoft does for the xbox's), they hold no copyright or patent on the neo iirc. so if FIC comes up short, one

Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-12 Thread Rod Whitby
Joe Friedrichsen wrote: Given that this phone is meant to be opened and tinkered with I'm not sure that that is actually the case. (Sean, please correct me if I am wrong in the following - I will be pleasantly surprised if you are able to do so). Yes, the OpenMoko software is meant to be fully

Re: GTA02 Board only option in October?

2007-07-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Is there anyone who is involved in hardware development and seriously believes that the cost of an upgrade board (which necessarily will have all the stuff like the LCD attached to it, cause they are not end-user replaceable parts) will be any cheaper than the cost of a whole phone? The stuff

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Rod Whitby
Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not yet found a forum that allows you to have all new messages emailed to you, or to have *all* past messages since *exactly* the last message you saw provided to you by an RSS feed (all the feeds I've seen will give

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Rod Whitby
Robin Paulson wrote: On 7/26/07, Mathew Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is still no forum solution that I know of that allows me to download the full content of all posts I haven't read yet, and read them on a random small device (e.g. a Treo650, or a Nokia N800, or a Sharp

Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Rod Whitby
or the other). -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile author ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OpenMoko future.

2007-07-28 Thread Rod Whitby
Visti Andresen wrote: Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. They are planning to sell it to your mom and dad:

Re: Login Manager

2007-08-05 Thread Rod Whitby
Eric Johnson wrote: Rod Whitby wrote: This is not the case. I personally have a SIM card with *no* PIN on it. I could set a PIN on it if I chose to, but for that card I choose not to. Actually, there is always a PIN on the SIM it's just that in your case it has been disabled

Re: openmoko irc logs available ?

2007-08-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: Rod Whitby schrieb am 06. August 2007: Current 24h live log is always at: Has anyone notified the people on IRC that they have a surveillance bot somewhere who publishs everything via web without asking them first wether they are interested in such surveillance

Re: openmoko irc logs available ?

2007-08-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: Rod Whitby schrieb am 06. August 2007: Such things are common-place on IRC (look for a user named 'apt' or 'ibot' or 'jbot' or '*-log'). These are bots, of course. But no one said that they are logging and publishing in the same way. Well, no one said

Re: Fwd: mailing list management

2007-08-14 Thread Rod Whitby
Dean Collins wrote: Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to wearing skins and living in rock caves. Actually, filtering on Subject is the caveman thing to do. :-) The following headers are *specifically* added by the mailing list software to enable you to accurately

Re: Fwd: mailing list management

2007-08-14 Thread Rod Whitby
Mike Hodson wrote: Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to the author twice (as he apparently is on the list) and I don't want to reply to anyone else the author sent the mail to. There appears to be no other way to use this client than simply 1 or all, not

Re: which build system works for you?

2007-08-15 Thread Rod Whitby
Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: I'd like to use the same mechanism the core developers use for building openmoko images, so I can help with testing, and start writing my own apps using the latest code and style as the rest of openmoko. Yes, this is the goal of the MokoMakefile - to build the image

MokoMakefile now builds OM-2007.2 (Was: Balancing simplicity with complexity)

2007-08-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: The introduction of OM-2007.2 goes hand in hand with merging the OpenMoko OpenEmbedded overlay into the upstream repository org.openembedded.dev. We are now based directly on the upstream metadata found in OpenEmbedded and synchronized with the most recent developments.

Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity

2007-08-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Jeff Andros wrote: mostly to rod... how soon until mokomakefile is updated? It was updated and put into alpha testing a couple of days before Sean's announcement, and went live about 6 hours before the announcement (on Mickey's Go signal). However, my announcement of the MokoMakefile update

Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs

2007-08-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Install the host package which provides the libXext library. The error message is pretty clear about that. -- Rod -Original Message- From: Jimmy McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, Aug 23, 2007 1:27 pm Subject: Re: tinylogin: file can not be created! error on do_rootfs Not to

Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

2007-08-23 Thread Rod Whitby
Phani Kumar Kancharala wrote: Hi all, I followed the steps in wiki-openmoko to get openmoko on my pc running Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fwan. Finally I also ended up with the same error reported by *Frank Gau, *following are the error and logs given by the mokomakefile: |

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-26 Thread Rod Whitby
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Hi! I think it could be the right time to provide updated VMWare image with OM 2007.2 I have previuos one and I'm still trying to update it but OM does not compile because 15GB is not enough space! Now I resized vmdk to 20GB and in couple of hours I may finally

Re: compile error

2007-08-26 Thread Rod Whitby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi community, does someone has the same problem with the -lz option in the qtopia- core section? i can't compile this section beacause it is for me unclear what kind of lib is used. Install the package on your host OS which provides libz. It's probably called

Re: Power on device after being powered down

2007-08-26 Thread Rod Whitby
wim delvaux wrote: I powered down my device a couple of days ago. I want to power it back on ... HOW 1. press power button for several seconds ? NOPE 2. pull out battery and do step 1 ? NOPE 3. press aux + power ? NOPE 4. Try all of the above while plugged in into the USB ?

Re: GTA02v1 vs GTA02v2

2007-08-30 Thread Rod Whitby
Rui Castro wrote: Can anyone tell me what the differences will be between GTA02v1 and GTA02v2? GTA02v1 and GTA02v2 are just prototype versions of GTA02. Just like there was GTA01v1, GTA01v2, GTA01v3 (the first version given to internal OpenMoko developers), GTA01v4 (the version where the

Re: GTA02v1 vs GTA02v2

2007-08-31 Thread Rod Whitby
Rui Castro wrote: Hi Marco, I didn't ask the diferences between GTA01Bv4 and GTA02. It was between GTA02v1 and GTA02v2. Since GTA02v1 and GTA02v2 are simply the first two hardware prototype versions of GTA02, and neither are available for sale, why do you want to know the difference between

Re: Video decoding in GTA-02

2007-09-08 Thread Rod Whitby
Florent THIERY wrote: Personally i do a bit, since online video is moving towards ubiquitous h264 (in Flash player for desktops, or with dedicated chips in f.e. appleTV or mobile phones). But who really wants to check out youtube videos in the subway ? Marketing, marketing... Not youtube, but

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-19 Thread Rod Whitby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've spent a lot of time trying to understand how Linux graphics stacks work. ... I will now try and explain how I understand it works and please, PLEASE correct me where I'm wrong! :-) That is the most concise, clear and understandable explanation I have ever seen

Re: Neo Developer Version

2007-09-26 Thread Rod Whitby
We already know that there will be P0, P1, and P2 phases for GTA02, just like there was for GTA01 (see the wiki for the definition of these terms if you don't know them). The phones people are ordering now are GTA01 P1 models. We also have not heard any reports of P0 developers getting P0 GTA02

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Rod Whitby
Michael Shiloh wrote: GTA02: -- We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made three prototype runs to test various

Re: flash.sh failed when setup qemu-neo1973

2007-10-31 Thread Rod Whitby
孙廉焘 wrote: I have a problem, when I setup the qemu-neo1973 envirement followed by http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu. openmoko/download.sh openmoko/flash.sh After openmoko/flash.sh, the output information is listed briefly as following(full version is an attachment): ls:

Re: flash.sh failed when setup qemu-neo1973

2007-10-31 Thread Rod Whitby
Sudharshan S wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 17:47 +0800, 孙廉焘 wrote: Thanks to the help of Rod and Gordon Syme! I have solved the problem and qemu-neo-1973 is running now! I think this has been fixed from r3304. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2007-October/002946.html No,

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Shaul Kedem wrote: One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what happens, It is also reported that Google has said that the source won't be

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Stefan wrote: Isn't google violating GPLv2 when it does not release the Code now? I could use some GPL'ed code, change it, give it to manufacturer and say i'll release it to public when the product is finish. Thats totally against GPL, cause it prevents other company to use the same code like

OpenMoko OE repository not quite ready for MokoMakefile production usage

2007-11-29 Thread Rod Whitby
can get the older mtn binaries from Koen to implement it. I've asked John to let me know as soon as there are correctly labelled versions in http://downloads.openmoko.org/OE/snapshots/, and I will immediately update MokoMakefile to use the new area when that happens. -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile

Re: OpenMoko OE repository not quite ready for MokoMakefile production usage

2007-11-30 Thread Rod Whitby
John Lee wrote: The oe snapshots site: http://downloads.openmoko.org/OE/snapshots/ The monotone repository: monotone.openmoko.org I have done various tests on them such as run different versions of monotone againest the database files, build from scratch with these settings, etc.

Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)

2007-12-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Robin Paulson wrote: this is kind of going off at a tangent, but are there any decent usb network interfaces with linux drivers included in OM? personally, i would rather connect my neo direct to the router in my house than have to boot a computer as well, whenever i want to update packages.

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-09 Thread Rod Whitby
Jeff Bailes wrote: FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring is this? East Asia? US? Europe? I have to say, spring is a bad description of when FreeRunner will be released, though from my knowledge East Asia, the US and Europe all have spring at the same

Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications

2008-02-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Shawn Rutledge wrote: And BTW this method would not work for finding TangoGPS, because the ipkg is on its own separate site. (Why? it must mean it's too hard to get a new ipkg into the regular repository, right?) Getting it into the openmoko feeds requires 1) Getting it into OpenEmbedded 2)

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-07 Thread Rod Whitby
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: What I want is for a our company's patents to be freely available, for anyone, but for defensive purposes only. Are there any existing options available to us now? Does anyone know of existing companies or organizations with a similar strategy that we can seek

Re: Openmoko Monotone Changes

2008-03-24 Thread Rod Whitby
Graeme Gregory wrote: There have been some major changes in the Openmoko monotone repository. ... MokoMakefile users need to make update-makefile make update then follow instructions to remove patches and openembedded directories. You'll end up running make update twice - see below for

Re: TomTom on Openmoko?

2008-03-27 Thread Rod Whitby
Michele Renda wrote: If you think is so good write to TomTom firm and ask them to make a port of their software to OpenMoko: I think it is a work of their programmer to make this work, not of OpenMoko team. They are already working a lot to try to make their device most open as possible. And I

Re: Upgrading 1973 to Freerunner

2008-04-29 Thread Rod Whitby
Ian Stirling wrote: Basically, the screen is glued down, and will be difficult to remove. Actually, that's not the case. I took apart a Neo1973 (GTA01) on the weekend, and the screen is very easy to remove (the only tool required is the Torx screwdriver for the case, the guitar pick so you

Re: Freerunner on a Mac ...

2008-05-16 Thread Rod Whitby
Christ van Willegen wrote: What I am wondering about (and maybe you as wel...) is if it will be possible to re-flash the Freerunner using a Mac. Since I also own a Mac, that would be nice to know... I have reflashed GTA01 and GTA02 with a Linksys NSLU2 NAS device, and a Freecom FSG-3 wireless

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-16 Thread Rod Whitby
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:19:31 +0300 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:58:48 +0300 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I will do my best to show you more respect than you

Re: Freerunner on a Mac ...

2008-05-16 Thread Rod Whitby
Christ van Willegen wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christ van Willegen wrote: What I am wondering about (and maybe you as wel...) is if it will be possible to re-flash the Freerunner using a Mac. Since I also own a Mac, that would be nice to know

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-19 Thread Rod Whitby
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Well, I much appreciate your work and your openness with community, unfortunately I can't say the same about Openmoko in this occasion since this should be an Open company and so I'd have appreciated it more if the decision would have been debated before with

[Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have moved the Openembedded metadata from monotone to git. ... An updated MokoMakefile will, thanks to Rod, follow shortly.

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Tom Cooksey wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2008 10:19:49 Rod Whitby wrote: Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have moved the Openembedded metadata from monotone to git

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Mo Abrahams wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 17:49 +0930, Rod Whitby wrote: MokoMakefile has been updated, tested by a couple of people, and now published. You will need to run make clobber update-makefile before proceeding in the usual way ... What does the clobber bit do? It removes

Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))

2008-05-28 Thread Rod Whitby
Pranav Desai wrote: But that brings another question (which probably needs another thread), where do we store/host the ported apps if we have some? * Can we put it somewhere on downloads.openmoko.org http://downloads.openmoko.org * Should we create another project on project.openmoko.org

Re: Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))

2008-05-29 Thread Rod Whitby
Pranav Desai wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The usual way is to add the package to OpenEmbedded, and then add it's name to the task-openmoko-feed.bb http://task-openmoko-feed.bb recipe so that it automatically

Re: Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))

2008-05-30 Thread Rod Whitby
Pranav Desai wrote: My attempt is to make existing opensource apps available for Openmoko. If I have rewrite or wrap around the existing build process just to fit the OE model then it seems a bit discouraging. Contrast this with Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, etc ... you're effectively saying that

Re: No WLAN AP functionality

2008-06-27 Thread Rod Whitby
Crane, Matthew wrote: But if you can plug a usb wifi stick which the kernel does support AP mode you could then use the internal wifi as the uplink. I'm finding it difficult to source a cheap usb wifi stick that Linux supports in AP mode. Do you have an example of one that you know works in

Re: How to find the board revision?

2008-07-17 Thread Rod Whitby
Ken Restivo wrote: I'm thinking about flashing the Uboot to get working APM capability. The instructions on the Flashing_openmoko WIKI page say that it is very important to only flash the uboot image that matches the hardware revision of the phone (obviously), but it doesn't say *how* to

Sean: Please authorise the release of GTA01 schematics

2008-07-19 Thread Rod Whitby
ecosystem. Sean, please release the hardware schematics and pcb layout and component placements for the GTA01. Let the GTA01 run free and continue to impact the material world. Respectfully, -- Rod Whitby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community

Re: ASU - opkg upgrade - is it possible to exclude some packages?

2008-07-31 Thread Rod Whitby
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Charles-Henri Gros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to tell 'opkg upgrade' to upgrade everything except the kernel? If you were using ipkg, you could say: $ ipkg flag hold package-name Dunno whether opkg has that functionality yet. -- Rod

Re: buildhost.openmoko.org issues.

2008-08-01 Thread Rod Whitby
On Friday 01 August 2008, Lech Karol Pawłaszek wrote: I wonder if there is something going on with buildhost.openmoko.org. I am unable to update packages list nor install new packages via opkg for two days now. I am unable to wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz as

Re: Lack of 3G a killer for Australia

2008-08-01 Thread Rod Whitby
Ben wrote: Unfortunately the FreeRunner will not function well as a phone in Australia due to the lack of 3G. Rubbish. Both GTA01 and GTA02 work perfectly in Australia without 3G. Coverage of GSM in Australia *far* outreaches 3G coverage. The Australian Telcos don't appear to be spending

Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Rod Whitby
Alex Kavanagh wrote: Jay Vaughan wrote, On 05/08/08 16:32: It would be a terrible shame if, after all the 'more important work' gets done, Glamo gets ignored because 'now its time to build new hardware'. I think it'd be rotten, in fact. I'd agree with that, if that happens - but that

Re: ASU 2008.08 image

2008-08-07 Thread Rod Whitby
simarillion wrote: I'm a little bit confused. On the devel List I read that the real ASU image has a black Wallpaper. But where can I download it? I downloaded this one

Re: opkg upgrade - kernel not updated corectly - Om2008.8

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Benedikt Schindler wrote: it's me again with an update problem of the kernel. i like kernels and i like to update them in a wrong way :) so here are my steps so far. Device: Freerunner rootfs: Om2008.8 kernel: Om2008.8 i installed the Om2008.8 and did a opkg update opkg upgrade.

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Harald Koenig wrote: in Om 2008.8 all feeds in /etc/opkg/ go to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ Correct. That is the Om2008.08 feed. is it ok to use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/MMDD/ as update feed for Om 2008.8 ?

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Olivier Berger wrote: Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if not, is there a recommended update feed for Om 2008.8 ? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ There is *no* other feed location for Om2008.08 at the moment, and Openmoko are *not* doing public daily builds

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
steve wrote: Rod, Our QA includes community feedback. If we release early particular elements in the community will slam us. We expect that. If we hold back releases, other elements of the community will slam us. So we expect to be slammed no matter what we do. Fun job ehh? Armour

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Feydreva wrote: Does Mokomakefile can build a 2008.8 more recent than the one release on August 08 of 2008 ? I setup the Makefile for OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.testing and run make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image Will I have the fake asu, like the one on the daily buildhost ? or will

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Holger Freyther wrote: On Wednesday 13 August 2008 23:39:06 Rod Whitby wrote: What I do have a problem with is the current situation where buildhost builds a daily feed of updates WHICH ARE INCOMPATIBLE with the latest Openmoko Om2008.08 released image and which cause major confusion

Re: MokoMakeFile

2008-08-14 Thread Rod Whitby
Alasal wrote: Is the MokoMakeFile still under development? It is, but it's difficult at the moment to get things to build correctly. Is there any chance for flashing Om2008.8 on the qemu emulator? You can do this now by setting the branch correctly. See the MokoMakefile wiki page for

Re: ASU and sound - broken - how to fix it?

2008-08-14 Thread Rod Whitby
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Benedikt Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you update your ASU with the buildhost ? that will destroy the Yes, I did. AFAIK, this is the only way to update ASU with daily updates, unless one wants to reinstall everything every

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