Re: Adding an overview page to openmoko.{com,org}

2006-11-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/15/06 10:26 PM, Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I kind of like all this talk around the mailing lists. But what do you think?) I like it as well, but if we don't do it on openmoko.com, someone else will make it on a 3rd party site which we don't have control over. So to

Re: Adding an overview page to openmoko.{com,org}

2006-11-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/15/06 10:15 PM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a continuous stream of questions flooding this mailinglist, so isn't it time to add an overview page to the openmoko site(s)? We'll put something up very soon. Thanks for the feedback. -Sean

Re: A marketing angle

2006-11-22 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/22/06 1:21 AM, Ben F-W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Please understand that market questions are not something I can freely talk about at this point. We're just beginning a really long term plan. I wouldn't want to show our cards, too early ;-) That's no problem

Re: A marketing angle

2006-11-22 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/22/06 4:11 AM, Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point you forgot here is that FIC have with OpenMoko a platform for new devices with low engineering cost. Some new hardware driver, a little bit GUI polish and that's it. No need to complete redesign a phone every 6 months.

Re: Application suggestions - a compilation

2006-11-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/25/06 9:29 AM, Ben F-W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phew. As suggested, I've been through all posts to the list so far and noted down everyone's suggestions for applications: the result is in both ODS and PDF. http://www.flemingwilliams.co.uk/temp/20061124OpenMokoApplicationSuggestions.

Re: Application suggestions - a compilation

2006-11-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/25/06 12:01 PM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I hope Sean / Michael can co-ordinate further idea collection in between now and when the wiki goes up? IMHO we should keep Sean as free as possible - maybe I will collect and sort ideas/topics for the wiki next week. Thanks

More about AGPS and costs

2006-11-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Guys, One more clarification: someone earlier mentioned some AGPS costs due to the computations. Global Locate told me that they think the GPS costs are as follows: * MS-A - data time (operator) + Server charges (not clear who runs the server.) * MS-B - data time (operator) + Server charges

Re: Screenprotectors

2006-11-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/26/06 11:02 PM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone from FIC contacted Brando (or any other company) about manufacturing decent screenprotectors for the gta01? We've working on that already. Taiwan is the motherland for this kind of stuff ;-)

Re: Voice recognition

2006-11-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/27/06 8:01 PM, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know if there will be some kind of voice control/recognition on the phone. If so, I would like also to know which sw will be used to implement it as I would like to develop some kind of interface based on

Re: (re)charging control

2006-11-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/28/06 2:24 AM, Tomasz Zielinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Questions to hardware developers: 1. How long does the battery live with only GSM unit active? 2. How long with GSM and GPS? 3. How long with GSM, GPS and Bluetooth? We really don't have these answers at this point. I will keep

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/28/06 7:55 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I hope that you will not unsubscribe, as well, I proise to write more focused in the future ;) I for one, find your emails quite entertaining. Stuffed full of things that make us think. Please keep up the good work ;-) -Sean

Re: My cents

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/28/06 8:27 AM, Alexander Steinert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to contribute some thoughts like all the others here throwing in their two cents (or $/EUR/.. Where do you come from, rob? Looks like you waited you whole life for this phone. Hehe. 1. Congratulation to Sean

Re: voice recgonition, squeak, multimedia cooking assistant Re: Uses in the Kitchen

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/29/06 2:36 AM, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the uses for Neo1973 in the bedroom? No, wait.. I'm not touching that one.. Did I add the vibrator function to the preliminary spec? It's got that, too. ;=) -Sean ___

Re: Can The Proprietary GPS Daemon Be Removed?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/29/06 12:25 AM, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be quite surprised if the GSM stack is open. Hehe... Not a chance. You'll die trying before you'll find a vendor willing to open this up ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: no bottle opener Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/28/06 7:31 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - no bottle opener What!? It's a pitty the Neo1973 will not have a case a frame made by strong, but light magnesium alloy, with integrated, fold-out bottle opener to open the beer. Since years I'm waiting for a mobile with

Re: Can The Proprietary GPS Daemon Be Removed?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/29/06 4:16 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/11/06, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some minor, self-contained proprietary bits on the back end side in userspace. - http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08/ which appears to contradict In

Re: (re)charging control

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/29/06 2:22 PM, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not asking you to go farther than your agreement, but if you could map the system commands for the major components into the driver, that would be a wonderful help We'll do our best. This is all Harald's domain. And he's Mr. Free

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/30/06 12:41 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come to think of it: You should always value your customers and give them incentive to buy more from you. So a trade up might apply to the v2-v3 transition as well. It's an interesting idea. At this point let me just sit on it. I need

Re: Can The Proprietary GPS Daemon Be Removed?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/30/06 1:17 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm essentially asking if its theoretically possible that this phone might be FSF endorsed - non-free firmware is fine by the FSF as long as it is burned onto a ROM and can never present an ethical problem. I really don't know. But

Re: feedback on v2 rabatt idea Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/30/06 1:34 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I will assume that this will not work for you: The returned v1s are probably worthless to you. So a better way might be to include a voucher with a serial number in the v1 package. The voucher will give me a discount of 50% if I

Re: Light sensor

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/30/06 3:32 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this light sensor could also combined with localisation, time and provile (or movement sensor) E.g. when I'm at home and the light sensor detects light at 2 o'clock in the morning, I will still be reachable for calls from my

Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )

2006-11-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/30/06 7:42 PM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you remind us ;)) that dual-sim is an intereting feature and Sean still haven'd answerd: #Will the Neo1973 support dual-SIM with SPST?#

Re: Text entry

2006-11-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/1/06 12:27 AM, Christopher Heiny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jumpx (aka Fitaly) already has an open source implementation at http://jumpx.sourceforge.net/ Though it is stylus oriented in the current implementation. I found this guy's idea quite interesting a while back:

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/1/06 7:45 AM, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So does this mean that a standard SIM card won't work? Is it one of those things where you have to cut up your sim card (wonder what do I tell cingular when I bring THAT in)? or are we just talking about some kind of combo system on the

Re: Text input.

2006-11-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/1/06 12:27 PM, Daniel Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious with all the discussion of different text input methods .. is a stylus a part of the standard Neo package planned with the touch pad? Yes. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community

Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST?

2006-12-01 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/1/06 11:28 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like I'm not sure, but doesn't the GSM module want to talk to the SIM card directly? The SIM card initialization details are handled by the

Re: openmoko on other FIC platforms as well?

2006-12-03 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/3/06 11:26 PM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.fic.com.tw/product/pmp.aspx Is FIC planning on putting openmoko based (open!) firmware on those as well? regards, We haven't talked in great detail about that yet. Right now we're mainly focusing on

Re: ui customisation for accessibility

2006-12-07 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/6/06 4:24 PM, Matthew Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've been intrigued by your announcements and would like to ask: could an open platform like yours be used to provide a smartphone ui that's more accessible to the visually impaired? I would think so. Since the code is open, you'll be

Re: GSM security question, mic directly connected to the GSM chip? Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-12 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/12/06 1:15 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 10 Dec 2006, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 12/10/06 3:02 AM, Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that I'm not speaking for the FIC team here. The flash chips containing the BP OS will be able get new firmware

Re: somewhat off topic: dreaming of a neo 1973

2006-12-12 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/12/06 1:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a dream last night in which I was showing off my Neo to my geek friends, who of course were drooling over the open Linux-based design and hardware features such as the VGA screen and the USB host port. Hehe...this really

Re: GSM security question, mic directly connected to the GSM chip? Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-12 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/12/06 9:43 PM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW: Do you have some more info for us about the audio/soundcard? ;)) stereo(?) audio out, 2,5mm jack, frequency 20(?)-2(?)Hz stereo(?) audio in(?), 2,5mm jack(?), frequency 20(?)-2(?)Hz Only because it's you who asked ;-)

Re: OMA-SUPL link Re: AGPS server questions

2006-12-13 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/13/06 11:04 PM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, to post my pmail to the list - I didn't want to harm a good globallocal support. No problem. I'm sure they would like to know what their customers want in the way of services. Bringing things out into the open for discussion

Re: Something like a Wiki

2006-12-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/14/06 5:00 PM, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/3/06, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, We talked it over internally for quite some time now, and finally decided that we want to wait until we have hardware to sell to launch our Wiki. We just don't have

Re: AGPS closed source drivers = DRM for public data

2006-12-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/28/06 1:56 AM, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a bit more patience on this matter because: 1) I believe that the OpenMoko team would love to see a 100% Open Source phone that pleases everybody. 2) I believe that there is a lot of information which cannot be shared

Re: Idea: Vibrator as keyboard click

2006-12-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/27/06 8:28 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Neo only has a touch screen which makes it hard to feel if a key is pressed. A click sound can help, but sound can be annoying to your environment. Visual feedback helps, but it would be nice to feel it too. You could have the

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/10/07 12:47 AM, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something is seriously wrong if they can't present a working unit the same month they were originally going to ship them. Didn't they talk about shipping units to a few devs in December? I wanted to make something more formal

Vegas

2007-01-10 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
I'm going to be in Vegas for another day now. Most of my work here is done this afternoon, so tomorrow I can relax a bit ;-) If anyone is around here and wants to meet up, drop me an email. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: external add-ons?

2007-01-10 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/10/07 10:38 AM, el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there will be peripherals to add on to the Neo1973? I am specifically thinking battery-powered WiFi or even a wifi-and-keyboard dock-like item. I would imagine that these peripherals would be almost as popular

Re: Real Neo1973 photo?

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/10/07 8:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the pointer. Good overview article to refer to when my very slightly technical friends say what is this OpenMoko thing I keep hearing about? Thanks! Sean must be tired in the picture. It looks like his eyes are

Re: Will it possible to use the Neo without battery? Re: Vegas

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/10/07 11:39 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I'm going to be in Vegas for another day now. Most of my work here is done this afternoon, so tomorrow I can relax a bit ;-) Then have fun ;-) And BTW I wish you and your team

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/10/07 5:30 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created a comparison between iPhone and Neo1973: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/iPhone Very cool! Thanks for taking the time to do this. The only thing I found is that micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard kit): A Car Kit and a Hacker's Lunchbox. Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) This screen (not to mention the GPS) is just

About the openness of the iPhone

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
I made a comment last night about thinking the iPhone would not be open. Just so I don't sound like another person speculating, here's it coming from the horse's mouth: It isn't OS X proper, as you'd expect. And like an iPod, it won't be an open system that people can develop for. Remember, this

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/11/07 3:38 PM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data Raster or vector, and with or without address data? This would be the raw stuff that companies like TomTom, Navigon, and Destinator, parse. I don't even know if

Re: iPhone vs. Neo1973 comparison

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 7:44 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On linuxtogo I get 34 pages. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/RecentChanges?action=fullsearchcontext=180va lue=openmokotitlesearch=Titles May I suggest using linuxtogo? Wow this is great stuff! http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 7:37 AM, Shu Hung (Koala) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/12/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would love to see, however, is a website where you can pre-order, so you will be the first to get a phone. I agree that a pre-order form or anything similar is good. At

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me) comment, though I would be more comfortable if FIC

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/13/07 9:03 PM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know if FIC is bound by the same idiot rules, or I can purchase a portable with a clean hard drive? I might be interested in a GR3 model. This is totally out of our control. These kinds of rules are company-to-Microsoft,

Re: Real Neo1973 photo?

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/11/07 9:32 AM, Paul Jimenez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once we have phones shipping, I would love to start a conversation with all of you about how to organize and support this effort. I promise to put resources where my mouth is ;-) Offhand, any idea what the size of the first

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 3:23 AM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal preferences) No matter if the

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 9:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean, please tell your team that we (well some of us at least) support your decision to delay the release until you are happy with the unit. Thanks guys! One thing: Please remove the January statement on the openmoko website.

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 1:14 AM, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something people would pay for? Yes, I would be interested in paying for car navigation

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/13/07 2:04 PM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/13/07, Oleg Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Samstag, 13. Januar 2007 01:53 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: Again I'm no official source, but as far as I see, they've consistently talked about it being global direct sale, whether it's Jan

Re: ToDo/Wish list

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/15/07 5:50 PM, Christopher Heiny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 12 January 2007 06:25, Ole Tange scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: On 1/12/07, Gervais Mulongoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track the sort of

Re: LCD

2007-01-16 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/16/07 11:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you please confirm that this screen really is full VGA not 320x200? VGA definitely is 480x640 not 240x320. And yes, the device is VGA. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Question about kernel level hacking

2007-01-18 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/17/07 9:50 AM, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will the Hacker's Lunchbox be available at the phone launch time or will we have to wait? Thanks and keep up the VERY good work! I'm really looking forward to the launch date! It will be ready. -Sean

Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

2007-01-18 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/18/07 2:41 AM, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At first, the geek perspective is oh man I want one of those because it's open source, true. But tomorrow the general public's perspective may be Oh man I want one of those because I can run CommunitasticoMoko 1.0. You may ask, what's

Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

2007-01-18 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/18/07 3:37 AM, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The NEO's not _cheap_, exactly: there was a recent survey of 1,800 recent purchasers of cell phones, and 21--not 21 _percent_, mind you, 21, period--paid over $400. Not many more paid as much as $350. In our defense, those phones

Re: Sync from Kalendar/Address to KDEPIM

2007-01-19 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/18/07 8:28 PM, Eildert Groeneveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read somewhere that the Neo folks have teamed up with some Sync Company. can we have some details? We're working with Funambol on SyncML and (soon) push email. -Sean ___

Re: Child tracker

2007-01-19 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/19/07 11:05 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have written a comment on the wiki on the child tracker. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ideas/ChildTracker For the record, I've read this information and _strongly_ approve of the work that's been done. Please everyone use

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-21 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/21/07 4:57 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/01/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the OpenMoko Linux Distribution Can the FIC marketting department call it 'the OpenMoko GNU/Linux Distribution'? We'll just call it OpenMoko. I think short simple branding

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-21 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/22/07 4:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Join us. Free Your Phone. I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices! It will for sure! This just popped into my head one day while taking a

Re: Neo1973 device description and picture for xoo.

2007-01-21 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/22/07 2:36 AM, Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I thought it could be fun to see and play with. http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/OpenMoko/neo1973-xoo-device.tar.bz2 Start with 'xoo --device /path/to/neo1973.xml' Wow somebody buy this guy a beer! -Sean

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-21 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/22/07 4:58 AM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is 1. to satisfy his and our need for open source toys like Neo or 2. to earn money like almost everybody on this planet while exploiting geeks like us to achieve his goal :-) I bet

Re: Sean's Aim...

2007-01-21 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/22/07 6:38 AM, Steve Grevemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one idea I did see in the last couple of days that I think NEED to get some serious attention is that of an upgrade path for developers. I promise not to leave you guys hanging. I just don't have a good plan worked out yet.

Re: Neo1973 device description and picture for xoo.

2007-01-22 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/22/07 7:36 PM, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 12:17, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Wow somebody buy this guy a beer! Best place would be the beer event of fosdem. Friday evening. ;) Deal. Drinks will be on me! -Sean Does that mean Openmoko

Re: Need for a clusterd megaphone via Bluetooth....

2007-01-22 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/23/07 1:38 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Michel wrote: I need some help - it is realy a pitty that Sean will not speach on a stage at the FOSDEM 2007 Are you sure? :) I'm speaking. I just meant that I would prefer to walk around and hang out with you guys

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-23 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/22/07 5:28 PM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never has this project been about exploiting people. If you ready _any_ of our documents you will find that we're trying to create an open ecosystem for the mobile industry. Sure I hope this will make us money. Otherwise I would have

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-23 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
[sorry, I pressed the wrong button before I finished] On 1/22/07 5:28 PM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:35 22.1.2007, you wrote: On 1/22/07 4:58 AM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is 1. to satisfy his and our need for open

Re: Pictures of Neo1973 under GFDL for wikipedia

2007-01-24 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/24/07 4:39 PM, Marc Verwerft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we use the pictures at the openmoko site in wikipedia (all languages) with the permission of FIC under the GNU Free Documentation License (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL )? Please do! -Sean

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-01-24 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/26/07 5:39 AM, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OpenMoko appeals to me because it is innovative and cool looking. Also, I am tired of having to replace my phone...I have 5 right now that are useless. I want a phone that can update and add applications that I want. I want

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/26/07 8:47 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just get the shit out and stop talking about September. Get the brain share into it - nobody will mind if you keep doing the decisions. Can we please keep this list civilized? This is a great opportunity for Linux/Open Source (add

Re: Will the OSDL/MLI have a yearly report as well? Re: LiMo foundation

2007-01-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/27/07 12:57 AM, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux Organisation membership and organisation politics is not my business, but from the linux-user point of view it is a little confusing that OpenMoko/Neo1973 isn't mentioned here:

Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko

2007-01-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/27/07 7:12 AM, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a thought. Recently I convinced a friend to get a prepaid cell phone and hang it around her neck when she went out in case she needed to call for help. This allowed her greater freedom to leave home and sure was less

Another GPS post from a GL engineer

2007-01-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Guys, Here are more comments to recent GPS related posts on this list. Hope you'll find some answers here. -- On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 02:38:20PM +0100, Michele Manzato wrote: Some additional questions on this subject: 1. Is there any A-GPS

Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?)

2007-01-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/30/07 2:20 PM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is: would the GSM chip has a modem for data connections and also fax support? Good question. And if it is, is it a standard class 1 faxmodem like common with GSM mobiles nowaday? Related question: is it possible to

Re: idea: World Clock

2007-01-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/30/07 2:22 AM, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pictures of the Neo show a clock. Will this be a world clock? I would really like one so that when I get to Germany next year, I can keep track of time back home for making my calls. One with ability to set alarms would be great.

Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?)

2007-01-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/31/07 12:32 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can you say us already a little more about the GSM chip? Sure. We're using a Ti Calypso chipset. Unfortunately this stuff is all under _super_ NDA :-( AKA: If I post a datasheet I would get the CEO of FIC fired within 24 hours ;-)

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

2007-02-09 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:06 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. Yes. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

2007-02-09 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 18:02 +, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:06 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. Yes. Are we talking

OpenMoko Challenges

2007-02-12 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Dear Community, We, the OpenMoko Team, have promised exciting news about our project today. We have some information that we think you will like very much, but also have some news we like less. Let us first address the unpleasant part, before turning to the more cheerful part of this

Re: OpenMoko Challenges

2007-02-12 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:35 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: I'm sorry, I don't understand; can you confirm that the Neo1973 will or wont have BT and Wifi? Me neither! I am quite sure that it will have BT, I thought that WiFi is going to be later (in next Neo

Re: How many Neos?

2007-02-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 23:54 +0100, Milan Votava wrote: How many Neos have to be sold (and in which time frame) to keep FIC happy? I think this is pretty important and we, as a community should help to achieve this target. If Sean we fail, FIC will probably show no mercy with the beloved

Re: openmoko articles

2007-02-16 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 17:35 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice writeups at linuxdevices and slashgear http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2657814070.html http://www.slashgear.com/openmoko-and-fic-neo1973-updates-153926.php Now that's more like it. I didn't like the the tone of the

Re: Warranty on phase 1 phones

2007-02-20 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 17:32 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Is there any warranty on phase 1 phones ? If the screen is bad, some input ports don't work, etc. what will be the process then ? Of course we'll have a warranty ;-) I'm not sure of the exact terms at this point. Probably something

Re: Warranty on phase 1 phones

2007-02-20 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 10:08 -0600, el jefe delito wrote: Would this warranty cover accidental breakage of the large screen, say by leaning on it against a desk or something? hehe...sorry man. Couldn't help you here ;-) I find it unlikely but it would really put minds at ease when spending a

Re: Re:Forums Page?

2007-02-20 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 10:29 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: FWIW, I don't find forums any more useable than mailling lists. With the addition of many great searching / archiving properties. And (most important for me) offline mode ;-) On the other hand, wikis seem to end up with lots of the sort

Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 14:14 +0530, Aanjhan R wrote: On 2/25/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted anywhere? Is it possible to get the presentation as well. Is it posted in the FOSDEM site? I tried hard finding them. I could nt

Re: Shipment of phones

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 08:23 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: I understood that the european distrubution was from phase 2 onwards (I.E. september 2007). If I want to buy the neo1973 as a developer in phase1, then I have to order it in Taiwan and pay the customs duties etc. In order not to be

Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 10:24 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: I totally agree with you . FIC is also an operator in Taiwan . I certainlyunderstand the thinking / restriction of Telecom operators. Regards Ming J. Chien / FIC Wow; I didn't know FIC was also an

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote: Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. But if we can't deliver for some reason it would have the inverse effect. Please understand I'm

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote: So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. The thing

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 08:49 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later. That's wonderful news Sean! Could you clarify: are there going to be two 'Phases 1' - one

Re: Openmoko on Linux Forum Copenhagen

2007-02-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 08:32 +0100, Martin Heick Hansen wrote: First let me introduce myself since this is my first post. I've been following OpenMoko and the mailing list for the last month or so. Then I started to wonder why nobody in Denmark new anything about this revolution which is

Neologics

2007-03-01 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Dear Community, For those of you who couldn't make it FOSDEM or Etel, I've posted our presentation here: http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Neologics.pdf Happy reading! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

2007-03-06 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:33 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that will be available this month will only be a developers board, without a phone casing = unuseable as a mobile phone in day-to-day operations, right? My understanding is

RE: coverage at linuxdevices.com

2007-03-06 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 19:01 +, Graham Auld wrote: As I understand it Andreas, the hackers lunchbox is including the dev board connecting thru the JTAG interface of the phone. You would purchace your phone seperatly. Someone please correct me if I missunderstand. This is correct.

Re: Neologics

2007-03-07 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 08:12 -0500, Richard Franks wrote: I found the section on emergence/Neoforms _very_ interesting - I've recently been expanding upon this ( http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas/ConceptualFramework ) from which I've going down similar lines of thought - do you

Crossroads

2007-03-13 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Dear Community, OpenMoko is built around the philosophy that far more knowledge exists outside the walls of a corporation than within. Internally, we're struggling with two issues. So we're throwing this out, hoping that some of you have can help us move past our current crossroads: 1) We

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