Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

2007-01-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 17, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Richard Franks wrote: I disagree - VoIP via WiFi is an obvious evolution rather than revolutionary. I don't think it's a 'killer app' either - in the terms of the phone manufacturer who is more likely to benefit from getting 6-12months lead and market share in an

Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

2007-01-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:00 PM, David Schlesinger wrote: The revolution evidently has a bunch of people who don't see that the value of half (or ninety-five one-hundredths) of a loaf exceeds that of no loaf at all. I wouldn't take this very seriously. Despite the lack of WiFi, which I

Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

2007-01-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:37 PM, David Schlesinger wrote: The NEO's not _cheap_, exactly: there was a recent survey of 1,800 recent purchasers of cell phones, and 21--not 21 _percent_, mind you, 21, period--paid over $400. Not many more paid as much as $350. To me what differentiates the NEO

Re: Free Your Phone

2007-01-21 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Hehe...waterproof phones would be really cool. It's just so expensive. Sort of on that same note, though, once the design becomes a little more solid, building some additional durability into the phone would be a nice thing. So many

Re: built-in scripting languages

2007-01-22 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: Personaly by default there should be none. And let the user decide what he wants. For example I prefer ruby over perl, lua or python and I like using bash scripts for a lot of stuff. So having lua on my system would be more or

Re: built-in scripting languages

2007-01-22 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 22, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: So when you put your first python application on, ipkg will conclude you need python. When you put your second on, it will conclude you've alrady got python. Sure. So in that case it does make sense to talk about standard versions of each

Re: keyboard, please!

2007-01-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:37 AM, quixote wrote: How do other people feel about this? I think it'd be a nice variant, but I'm glad it's not in the base model. Bear in mind that there are some bitchen' bluetooth keyboards out there, like the ThinkOutside stowaway sierra. Depending on your

Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:59 AM, ramsesoriginal wrote: Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7 Ph0n3!!11oneeleven Perfect. :') Honestly, I don't think this is something that one needs to worry about. What's going to happen if OpenMoko really becomes usable is that various vendors will adopt it in markets

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-17 Thread Ted Lemon
Sean, probably a dumb question, but I'm leaving for IETF on Saturday, so I'm really hoping that my two-day delivery will get the phone here by Friday. I don't desperately need it before IETF - I just don't want it sitting on my front stoop for a week (well, for that part of a week before

Free OpenMoko...

2007-07-17 Thread Ted Lemon
Has anyone seen this? http://www.freeopenmoko.com/ Weird, huh? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

2007-07-19 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 19, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Andy Powell wrote: What they should have done is not opened the shop for 2 weeks and then got everything in place rather than taken the orders and then sit around waiting because no one thought about the merchant account. Those bastards! How dare they? Man,

Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-20 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:31 AM, Santiago Crespo wrote: I like the spanish term: libre (like in ubuntu cd-box). It's not a bad word, but unfortunately when I hear it I get an image of a guy wearing army fatigues and carrying an automatic weapon. To some extent I think choosing a branding

Marketing...

2007-07-20 Thread Ted Lemon
People who are interested in marketing OpenMoko might want to read this article: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/07/ just_because_it_saves_the_world.php It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in

Re: Marketing...

2007-07-20 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: I suspect we should only ask the average people to follow us [1], not to understand the full software stack. That may even be beneficial in the end. This is precisely why I suggest reading the article.

Re: Marketing...

2007-07-20 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in OpenMoko as something they care about. Don't do rthat then. As in don't limit the marketing to only focus on the

Re: Marketing...

2007-07-20 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 20, 2007, at 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I stated the obvious, but I would like this phone to be a success and thats how i see it happening.. start with the basics... Like the iPhone, you mean? :') Of course it would be great to be able to sync with Microsoft

Re: No response since YES_I_DO?

2007-07-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 23:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else NOT received any response at all yet since YES_I_DO? I'm in the 1900's, and I haven't heard anything. They've assured us that they aren't fulfilling orders in order of the RT ticket number, so I guess there's no need

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-24 Thread Ted Lemon
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 19:19 +0200, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: No, it's just habits. And it's not about Engineers, it's about long time email users. What, that they never actually read what anyone writes, but just skim it looking for something that they can flame about? Come on guys, read for

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-24 Thread Ted Lemon
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 12:33 -0500, Hans L wrote: Are you saying that if you don't want your email address harvested by spammers, then you should not participate in discussions about openmoko at all? Keeping your email address private IS a valid reason for the use of forums. No, I'm saying

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Newsom wrote: They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is

Re: Anyone, not billed yet?

2007-07-31 Thread Ted Lemon
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:12 +0530, Sudharshan S wrote: I just couldn't resist the urge to ask if there are anyone here who had ordered the development release but *not been billed* yet. Especially anxious since there has not been any word of the second batch, AFAIK (ordered it on 11 July,

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-24 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: WxWidgets never crossed my path. Qt is out of the question since I don't do C++. I tried a handful of times to get familiar with it, and was fiercely rejected every time. That's strange - I have tried a variety of widget libraries,

Re: Message duplicates (was: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?)

2007-08-27 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 27, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Richard Bennett wrote: A crude solution to make spamassassin restart if it crashes could be to start it with a script, wrap the start command in a loop that can never finish. When spamassassin dies, the command will re-run... Then you can find the reason it

Re: How snappy can the Openmoko GUI get using GTK?

2007-09-02 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 2, 2007, at 7:17 AM, Giles Jones wrote: Launch speed is something that can be fixed, I'm not sure if the build system is using pre-linking? if not it will be something to use as this is the cure to application launch speed delays on Unix like systems. This is probably true. The

Re: How snappy can the Openmoko GUI get using GTK?

2007-09-02 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Giles Jones wrote: VGA is 4x times the data, not two times. That will have a noticable effect. The only VGA device I have owned was a Toshiba E800 PDA, this had an ATI chip and it was still a little sluggish. Hm. The best example of slow draw times that I can

Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

2007-09-07 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 7, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Andreas Utterberg wrote: What the v2 neo needs is a nice oi, the best would be if its possible to add compiz fusion, beryl effects to it. That would really boost the interest to the mass, just look at the development speed to the berylproject had, and the very

Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

2007-09-07 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 7, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Raphael Jacquot wrote: - At least several hours of H.264 playback. possibly doable but I don't believe the current hardware can handle it The point here is that for the GTA02, if the video hardware supports hardware playback of H.264, we need a driver that allows

Re: Video decoding in GTA-02

2007-09-08 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 8, 2007, at 3:28 AM, Florent THIERY wrote: But who really wants to check out youtube videos in the subway ? Marketing, marketing... My wife uses the video feature on her iPod quite a bit when we're traveling. And video podcasts are a great idea for the subway - just as good as

Re: Video decoding in GTA-02

2007-09-08 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 8, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Mikko Rauhala wrote: Software playing will probably take a bit more power, sure, but that aside, the Neo's youtube capabilities already partially exceed (*sigh* at the obligatory comparison) the iPhone's. A lot more power, not a little. Flash is even worse -

Re: Video decoding in GTA-02

2007-09-08 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 8, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Ian Stirling wrote: It's not _quite_ that bad. You get 1 hour, even playing h.263 very loudly while on a phone call. That's cool for demo purposes. Unfortunately H.263 is really only of interest to people with patience - the average end-user will consider

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Tilman Baumann wrote: But thats how it is. Opensource is just about freedom to choose. The more choices the better... My big question about Qtopia for Neo is whether or not Trolltech will be willing to take back changes. I've had some challenges in the past

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Scott Rushforth wrote: Phone calling works, for both incoming and outgoing calls, the only hitch was that I had to manually set the alsa levels using gsmhandset.state. That's a helpful hint. It appears to be the case that audio doesn't work for other apps as

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 18, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Lorn Potter wrote: Try ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/tech-preview/ Sweet, thanks! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Help Request for our Webshop

2007-09-22 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 22, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Joshua Layne wrote: a brief googling * turned up 'substruct' - open source, based on ruby on rails - meets a subset of your requirements, but may be extensible enough that you don't have to reinvent the entire wheel, only the shiny new spin-rims. The carts

Re: Help Request for our Webshop

2007-09-22 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 22, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Ian Stirling wrote: Paypal means that you never see the CC info at all. This is called throwing the baby out with the bathwater... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Help Request for our Webshop

2007-09-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Why haven't you said that initially? It would have saved me to even mention oscommerce and you the discussion about it. 'cuz he's a big meany! No, wait, that can't be it! Maybe he figured anyone who was qualified would already

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-25 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: QT is bound to C++. With GTK you can choose to program in C, or, if you really want to, in C++. With QT there is no way you can write your code in C. This is an utterly pathetic excuse not to try something. You don't have to become a C++

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-25 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: N. I just say that Qt has no C api. And this makes it unusable. For me. No mention of it being bad. The personal reason you've given for why you prefer Gtk to Qt is valid, for you. However, most of what you said had nothing to do

Re: NetBSD/evbarm Neo1973 kernel

2007-10-12 Thread Ted Lemon
dmesg from real hardware is appreciated Hm, in the spirit of adventure, I just flashed your NetBSD kernel on my Neo, like this: uma% ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ~/Desktop/netbsd.boot dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Then I tried booting it from the serial console. I can't tell

Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

2007-10-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On Oct 23, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still say OCTOBER... Considering that the alternative is for someone *else* to dig through the site and report the

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 03:44 +0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: (Same problem with Global Locate regarding the GPS driver) It might be nice to just send out the old module, even if it theoretically isn't useful, because somebody might be willing to hack it to make it work. Right now we have nothing.

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 23:46 +0100, AVee wrote: I think it whould help an awfull lot, it would allow you to switch firmware before leaving to an 850 or 900 area. In a lot af cases that will involve a air travel and a somewhat longer stay in the 'other frequency' area. If it could be just

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-15 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 23:11 +0100, Erland Lewin wrote: I imagine a kit the size of a regular book for the Neo containing a fresnel lens with a frame for attaching to the phone, a foldable keyboard, a small mouse, and a battery pack loadable with, say, 2 regular 'C' size batteries. The

Re: Harald LaF0rge Welte: Leaving OpenMoko...

2007-11-16 Thread Ted Lemon
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:22 -0500, Kyle Bassett wrote: as the shit starts to hit the fan... Oh, stop it. Harald has been saying he's been having difficulty for a while. Maybe this is systemic, and maybe it's not, but there's no reason to side with chaos. Why not hope for the best, and give

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 10:11 +0100, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: Why not a laptop chassis The laptop form factor forces poor ergonomics. I always bring a keyboard with me when I travel so that I can have the screen up high and the keyboard down low. So for me the built-in keyboard is just

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 09:29 +, Andy Powell wrote: If I can manage to push aside the feeling that people should just buy something like the Asus EEE PC rather than going this route... No bluetooth. No DVI out. Doesn't fit in your pocket, unless you have a really big pocket.

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA controller, assuming

Re: Use Neo w/out removing from pocket (was: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement)

2007-11-19 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 10:35 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: What sort of applications make sense this way? What sort of new applications does this allow? I think the two big killer apps are laptop replacement and watching video. But that's going to require hardware acceleration. Long term, you

Re: Michael Shiloh interview on The Linux Link Tech Show

2007-11-29 Thread Ted Lemon
On Nov 29, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Ben Burdette wrote: I was relieved to hear that 850 mhz seems to be a sure thing - according to the interview there will be two versions of the phone, one for the US (or other 850mhz countries) and one for the rest of the world. I assume the US version will be

Re: Subject prefix for e-mails

2007-12-27 Thread Ted Lemon
On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Colan Schwartz wrote: Would it be possible to add a descriptive prefix to each e-mail sent to this list? I don't mind getting a lot of e-mail, but if it's from a list, I'd like to know where it's coming from. Suggestion: hack your tool to sort on the List-Id:

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my

Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-) And it can't run down the batteries... :') ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences! :') Anyway, I have always felt that with a little dress-up, the verbose startup could become reassuring rather than