Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 14:54 +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote: Can you do sending and receiving email and so on with GSM, or is that 3G only? Of course. It's only slower over GSM (GPRS). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On Sun, June 15, 2008 2:54 pm, Nigel Cunningham wrote: I'd like to replace them both by one thing, and I want that one thing to be Linux based and open source. At the same time, though, I want it to be useful for a long time. 3G seems to me ignorant mind to fit that bill better than GSM. (They've just switched off CDMA here in Aussie; I don't know anything for certain, but assume that it won't be too many years before GSM goes the same way). Or maybe I am just ignorant. Can you do sending and receiving email and so on with GSM, or is that 3G only? How many years do you expect to get out of a 'phone? Some people seem to change them every couple of years, and I'm sure GSM will last longer than that. Yes, I would like 3G too, though I've heard it said on this forum that 3G is somewhat of a catch-all term for several related technologies, and it is not possible to have a single international 3G device. I don't know how true that is. In any case, to answer your question: yes, you can send/receive Email on GSM. GSM includes GPRS which is low-speed IP. Similar sort of speed to a 56K modem. OK for sending Email, just bearable for web browsing if that pages aren't too busy. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
Hi. On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:55 +1000, NeilBrown wrote: On Sun, June 15, 2008 2:54 pm, Nigel Cunningham wrote: I'd like to replace them both by one thing, and I want that one thing to be Linux based and open source. At the same time, though, I want it to be useful for a long time. 3G seems to me ignorant mind to fit that bill better than GSM. (They've just switched off CDMA here in Aussie; I don't know anything for certain, but assume that it won't be too many years before GSM goes the same way). Or maybe I am just ignorant. Can you do sending and receiving email and so on with GSM, or is that 3G only? How many years do you expect to get out of a 'phone? Some people seem to change them every couple of years, and I'm sure GSM will last longer than that. Well, I've had the Nokia since about 2001. I've purchased a new battery in that time, but that's about all. Always prepaid, low usage up till now. Yes, I would like 3G too, though I've heard it said on this forum that 3G is somewhat of a catch-all term for several related technologies, and it is not possible to have a single international 3G device. I don't know how true that is. In any case, to answer your question: yes, you can send/receive Email on GSM. GSM includes GPRS which is low-speed IP. Similar sort of speed to a 56K modem. OK for sending Email, just bearable for web browsing if that pages aren't too busy. Ok. So given that I'm subscribed to LKML and so on, I'd probably want to use webmail. Since we're saying 'low-speed IP' does that mean SSH would be possible? Would providers tend to let you use SSH? (If I could use it to do quick website admin tasks when away from home, that would be great). Nigel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
use webmail. Since we're saying 'low-speed IP' does that mean SSH would be possible? depends on your use of ssh -- tunneling X will probably be a bad idea (maybe vnc or so is an alternative?), but everything that works on the commandline should be reasonable fast. Would providers tend to let you use SSH? don't see, how they could possibly block it -- and why they should. they're only interested in traffic generated, how you generate shouldn't matter. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: G3. Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On 15 Jun 2008, at 05:54, Nigel Cunningham wrote: ... Or maybe I am just ignorant. Can you do sending and receiving email and so on with GSM, or is that 3G only? GSM is fine for this. ... I'd really rather buy a Freerunner, but at the moment I'm not sure what to do. I currently have a Nokia 3210 that spends most of it's time turned off and forgotten, and a Palm Zire 21 that gets wiped if the Nokia does something wrong (apparently not shielded that well). I'd like to replace them both by one thing, and I want that one thing to be Linux based and open source. At the same time, though, I want it to be useful for a long time. 3G seems to me ignorant mind to fit that bill better than GSM. I'm not sure what the big deal is with 3G. My misconception was that GSM was only dial-up speed, but someone recently posted here stating otherwise. Someone debated with him over his terming GSM as having ADSL speed, but if it's 2 or 3 times faster than 56k then that's fine by me. I can do all my email websurfing quite happily at that speed, and since my current 3G mobile is painfully slow when coverage is spotty I can't see that it makes much difference. As I understand it GSM *does* allow you to make a digital data connection, and that's the important thing. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: G3. Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On Mon, June 16, 2008 5:14 am, Stroller wrote: I'm not sure what the big deal is with 3G. My misconception was that GSM was only dial-up speed, but someone recently posted here stating otherwise. Someone debated with him over his terming GSM as having ADSL speed, but if it's 2 or 3 times faster than 56k then that's fine by me. I can do all my email websurfing quite happily at that speed, and since my current 3G mobile is painfully slow when coverage is spotty I can't see that it makes much difference. My understanding -- and experience -- is that GSM/GPRS does provide only Dail-up speed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS suggests a max of around 80kbit/sec which is a little faster than 56k, but not much. If you have EDGE support, then that pushes it up to 236kbit, which is almost slow-ADSL. However it is my understanding that GTA02 doesn't support EDGE. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko#GPRS_modem says GPRS modem 2.5G (no EDGE) access to the Internet. As I understand it GSM *does* allow you to make a digital data connection, and that's the important thing. I agree - that is in the important thing. I used GPRS for Internet access while traveling in the UK recently, and while it is much better than not being connected at all, it is a long way from being a comfortable browsing experience. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
Nigel Cunningham wrote: That's too bad. I was going to buy GTA02, but decided not to because it lacks 3G. If GTA03 is going to lack it too, I guess I'd better look elsewhere for something / re-evaluate how long I want to wait before combining my organiser and phone into one. Nigel Well if you want the moko to compete with the iphone, I recommend that you just unsubscribe to this list and go buy an iphone. I done mean that to be mean. It's just that this project is about trying to achieve FREEDOM while dealing with the restrictions the world places on us. If 3g is such a dealbreaker go and satisfy your need - this project isn't designed for you. Rob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
Hi Robert. On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 18:41 -0700, Robert Taylor wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: That's too bad. I was going to buy GTA02, but decided not to because it lacks 3G. If GTA03 is going to lack it too, I guess I'd better look elsewhere for something / re-evaluate how long I want to wait before combining my organiser and phone into one. Well if you want the moko to compete with the iphone, I recommend that you just unsubscribe to this list and go buy an iphone. I done mean that to be mean. It's just that this project is about trying to achieve FREEDOM while dealing with the restrictions the world places on us. If 3g is such a dealbreaker go and satisfy your need - this project isn't designed for you. Free software is important to me too, Robert. I only wrote the message because I wanted the OpenMoko guys to have a little more feedback from their (potential) customers as to what we're after. I'd really rather buy a Freerunner, but at the moment I'm not sure what to do. I currently have a Nokia 3210 that spends most of it's time turned off and forgotten, and a Palm Zire 21 that gets wiped if the Nokia does something wrong (apparently not shielded that well). I'd like to replace them both by one thing, and I want that one thing to be Linux based and open source. At the same time, though, I want it to be useful for a long time. 3G seems to me ignorant mind to fit that bill better than GSM. (They've just switched off CDMA here in Aussie; I don't know anything for certain, but assume that it won't be too many years before GSM goes the same way). Or maybe I am just ignorant. Can you do sending and receiving email and so on with GSM, or is that 3G only? Nigel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On 6/12/08, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I want it half the size:) A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size, why not just buy an eeepc? As the resident Devil's Advocate, I agree here. Lemme state this - I paid for a 1973 and Openmoko Inc. sent me a Freerunner to review the software progress. The next phone I spend my money on will have 3G (or better). If 03 isn't that device, simply ignore my post. :) I understand you very well:) There will most likely not be 3G in GTA03, but hopefully in GTA04. I never had a GTA01, so I buy GTA02 now, and upgrade when the 3G capable device is ready. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
Hi. On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 01:16 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 6/12/08, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I want it half the size:) A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size, why not just buy an eeepc? As the resident Devil's Advocate, I agree here. Lemme state this - I paid for a 1973 and Openmoko Inc. sent me a Freerunner to review the software progress. The next phone I spend my money on will have 3G (or better). If 03 isn't that device, simply ignore my post. :) I understand you very well:) There will most likely not be 3G in GTA03, but hopefully in GTA04. I never had a GTA01, so I buy GTA02 now, and upgrade when the 3G capable device is ready. That's too bad. I was going to buy GTA02, but decided not to because it lacks 3G. If GTA03 is going to lack it too, I guess I'd better look elsewhere for something / re-evaluate how long I want to wait before combining my organiser and phone into one. Nigel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen! Plug in modules
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:02 +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! I would like a screen maybe 10mm to 20mm or so larger, but any bigger than that makes it too wide for a phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal (landscape or vertical portrait) usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back. I would rather see the height used for a widescreen display and/or increased to add space for drop in modules (camera, ir remote, card reader, etc). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
2008/6/10 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very decent phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance. Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I second this post. I third it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very decent phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance. Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I second this post. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market asks for this: - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is mentioning as subject for removal. - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the gameing controls but bigger screen. Maybe there is one available? Surely the software shipped with this OpenMoko doesn't need include software which requires the gaming controls. Any further ideas? :) Roland On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very decent phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance. Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- (GNU) PGP ID: 0x4D385570 Weblog: http://blog.mxchange.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
For the record: I was talking about the gaming controls of my Tapwave Zodiac. I realize that this was probably not all that clear from the context and apologize. I think branching into multiple devices starts making sense with the switch to a new SoC. As it is, it looks like GTA03 is supposed to be the Neo camera edition. I can't think of too much other popular uses that should be realized with the current configuration. Maybe a keypad would be popular (though I personally hate it) but that would either require relatively complex mechanics (and maybe patent issues) or it would be awful... Ortwin On 6/10/08, Roland Häder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market asks for this: - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is mentioning as subject for removal. - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the gameing controls but bigger screen. Maybe there is one available? Surely the software shipped with this OpenMoko doesn't need include software which requires the gaming controls. Any further ideas? :) Roland On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very decent phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance. Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- (GNU) PGP ID: 0x4D385570 Weblog: http://blog.mxchange.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
Roland Häder wrote: My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market asks for this: - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is mentioning as subject for removal. - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the gameing controls but bigger screen. Maybe there is one available? Surely the software shipped with this OpenMoko doesn't need include software which requires the gaming controls. Any further ideas? :) Roland Yes. I propose a modular approach. 1 phone many external similar to this idea: http://www.icontrolpad.com/ Additionally, there is a certain cool factor to having a single unit but many docking stations if done right, for example: Quick preview: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3871478989.html Their overbearing website: http://www.buglabs.net/products Buglabs is doing something really cool, but you gotta code in java and it doesn't fit into a pocket (well it does fit in a really big pocket). It's pretty clear Mokos core group of users are very demanding, and something like that would allow for everyone to be happy. However, why I really think this could be a really great approach for the moko is the 'Hey Cool!' factor. Can you picture the conversation when you meet up with a buddy hey whats that on your moko? oh it's my new gamepod. COL! can i try it on my moko? sure ... *CLICK* ... here you go. COOL! It also reduces the dev costs for moko, it allows it to remain a smartphone and not move from that niche, reduces the number of formats that people will be demanding the moko be made in and will start to establish a hardware addon ecosystem beyond what is already being developed. What the moko manufacturers then can pull is a NIKE. Instead of relying purely on sales of the moko, they can turn them selves into an RD and marketing company and not only produce their own hardware if they want to, but also licence officially supported modules and addons to control quality and get a cut of each sale. Also when usb3 comes along you can offload all sorts of stuff to that, such as gfx co-porcessing if you want so all of a sudden you can get ati into the picture with their completely documented processors and really start something interesting. Just some brianstorming ... Rob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very decent phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance. And I want it half the size:) A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size, why not just buy an eeepc? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
Ah, thanks for making it clear. :) On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote: For the record: I was talking about the gaming controls of my Tapwave Zodiac. I realize that this was probably not all that clear from the context and apologize. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
I wonder: Might it be useful/possible to add a connector for Bug modules to a future Openmoko phone? On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roland Häder wrote: My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market asks for this: - An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is mentioning as subject for removal. - Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the gameing controls but bigger screen. Maybe there is one available? Surely the software shipped with this OpenMoko doesn't need include software which requires the gaming controls. Any further ideas? :) Roland Yes. I propose a modular approach. 1 phone many external similar to this idea: http://www.icontrolpad.com/ Additionally, there is a certain cool factor to having a single unit but many docking stations if done right, for example: Quick preview: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3871478989.html Their overbearing website: http://www.buglabs.net/products Buglabs is doing something really cool, but you gotta code in java and it doesn't fit into a pocket (well it does fit in a really big pocket). It's pretty clear Mokos core group of users are very demanding, and something like that would allow for everyone to be happy. However, why I really think this could be a really great approach for the moko is the 'Hey Cool!' factor. Can you picture the conversation when you meet up with a buddy hey whats that on your moko? oh it's my new gamepod. COL! can i try it on my moko? sure ... *CLICK* ... here you go. COOL! It also reduces the dev costs for moko, it allows it to remain a smartphone and not move from that niche, reduces the number of formats that people will be demanding the moko be made in and will start to establish a hardware addon ecosystem beyond what is already being developed. What the moko manufacturers then can pull is a NIKE. Instead of relying purely on sales of the moko, they can turn them selves into an RD and marketing company and not only produce their own hardware if they want to, but also licence officially supported modules and addons to control quality and get a cut of each sale. Also when usb3 comes along you can offload all sorts of stuff to that, such as gfx co-porcessing if you want so all of a sudden you can get ati into the picture with their completely documented processors and really start something interesting. Just some brianstorming ... Rob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
I couldn't agree more. On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very decent phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance. Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen I agree. Maybe it could use the same screen as the Nokia tablets (800x480). Thin is good though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
