Fw: [Lugor-discuss] Remember the Neo Freerunner smart-phone? Updated hardware is now available!
Hi all, I'm trying to do my part in helping to promote the GTA04 iteration of the Neo FreeRunner/1973. I don't do marketing very well so it's not a ringing endorsement of either platform. I love my Neo though and would like to see the GTA04 become a reality. Getting the word out as honestly as I can and hope to be able to purchase a GTA04 when I can afford to. Brian Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:58:14 -0500 From: Brian bn...@rochester.rr.com To: LUGOR discussion list lugor-disc...@list.xcski.com Subject: [Lugor-discuss] Remember the Neo Freerunner smart-phone? Updated hardware is now available! Hi All, Just wanted to spread the word that updated hardware is now available for the Neo Freerunner[1]. For those of you that aren't familiar with the phone[2] it came out at the same time as the first iPhone in the form of it's precursor, the Neo1973, by an upstart company called OpenMoko[3]. Their goal was to introduce a new type of phone/portable computer that was open in as many ways as was possible at the time. It wasn't popular for a number of reasons, chief among them reliability (mostly software related), cost, and a warning that it was not yet a consumer device. There were other issues like poor battery performance, echo/distortion on calls, which have been solved, for the most part, by both software and kernel improvements. Fast forward to 2012 and a dizzying array smart-phones have now become ubiquitous devices. None of which offer the same freedoms as the Neo Freerunner does. There have been a few offerings from Nokia which were promising but the salad days appear to be over now that the Elopaclypse (offensive perhaps?) is in effect. Yes, there are a lot of choices but they either consist of 'walled gardens' like Apple offers, or a myriad of Android devices which may or may not be rootable (read modified to run what you desire), or other proprietary offerings from RIM and of course the upstart WP7. All of which are beholden to the whims and fancies of their prospective Intellectual Property owners. I'm not really keen on delving into the whole IP thing. Suffice it to say that if we don't fight for our rights as consumers in this regard it will likely mean the death of open phones especially in the US. Every time I read the latest news in patent fights it only justifies my perspective on the issues. I am fortunate enough to have a Neo Freerunner (thanks Justin!) and despite it's shortcomings I find it reliable enough to use as my primary cellphone. Granted it's not perfect and the hardware is a bit dated compared to recent offerings but it does offer the one thing nothing else does: The ability to run a real linux distro on it with full control over the hardware out of the box! The latest Iteration, which is a replacement MoBo which fits inside of a Neo 1973/Freerunner case, uses some of the existing hardware and is a big step in the right direction. It's faster, has improved memory, and is being actively developed by an active community that won't give up on the ideal of having a phone that is truly free of the constraints currently imposed by all other manufacturers. The cost of said freedoms are steep but should eventually go down. I'd like to see the latest iteration in free phones not flounder so please have a look at the links provided and pass it on if you think the idea of free phones deserves more attention. Brian [1]http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Group%20Tourreferer=Neo%20Freerunner [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko ___ Lugor-discuss mailing list lugor-disc...@list.xcski.com http://list.xcski.com/mailman/listinfo/lugor-discuss ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fw: [Lugor-discuss] Remember the Neo Freerunner smart-phone? Updated hardware is now available!
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 22:10, Brian bn...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I'm trying to do my part in helping to promote the GTA04 iteration of the Neo FreeRunner/1973. Nice work! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fw: [Lugor-discuss] Remember the Neo Freerunner smart-phone? Updated hardware is now available!
consumer device. There were other issues like poor battery performance, echo/distortion on calls, which have been solved, for the most part, by both software and kernel improvements. You mean hardware and software improvements, don't you? Freerunner does. There have been a few offerings from Nokia which were promising but the salad days appear to be over now that the Elopaclypse (offensive perhaps?) is in effect. That's Elopcalypse. Apart from that, very inspiring ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
Thanks for pointing me to android, but after almost 2 months I can tell you that android is as stable as qtmoko v16, meaning that I have to restart it weakly. Of course, android it's more polished and has a faster with UI, but it is also faster in discharging the battery :) After having tried om200[89], shr, qtopia and android, with the same result, it seams that 'my problem' is hardware, kerneldrivers and/or modem/firmware related. I'll do the caps fixes, retry qtopia (or shr, or android 2.x), and if it will work the same, I'll give up on FR, as I'm already annoyed most of those who talk with me. On 3/28/10, Martin Šenkeřík martinsenke...@gmail.com wrote: I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried everything, and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a try. ohin On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michele Brocco ssj2mi...@gmail.com wrote: Which one did you try until now? om2008, om2009, shr, qtopia/radek. If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented. Being lazy, I wanted a confirmation :) from someone who tried. You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a phone or pda :) I'm afraid is not even a phone yet, as its soul (software) is haunted :) On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work with Neo Freerunner? When I say 'work', I mean the phone: - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly] - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.) - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20 hours without charging The kernel doesn't have to be Linux. The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine. Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls, and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)
On 4/4/10, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about 8~10 hours with Android - current featured release. It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure. It seems you're doing something ugly wrong. The user is not doing anything wrong, Google is. This is because of how Android handles closing applications. When you close an app, it disappears from your desktop, but the application keeps running. Thanks Niels. I don't care *who* does something wrong. I just search for a way to use Neo as an ordinary phone (not missing any call/SMS) first. Someone might tell me that I do wrong using a phone instead of face to face communication :). It may be true from a point of view. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)
On 4/1/10, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: [cut] Last night it just keep charging. It was on 100%, so I just unplug it. In the morning, when I connected the charger, it booted (?!). I checked the battery level and it was 4%. Next time I'll try to use Cleanoid to see if it still drain the battery. I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about 8~10 hours with Android - current featured release. It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)
[cut] I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about 8~10 hours with Android - current featured release. It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure. It seems you're doing something ugly wrong. I'm using it with SHR and its working just fine. Runtime: More then a day. If you have it in proper suspend, while not using it. greatings leviathan -- David Lanzendörfer OpenSourceSupport GmbH System engineer and supporter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)
I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about 8~10 hours with Android - current featured release. It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure. It seems you're doing something ugly wrong. I'm using it with SHR and its working just fine. Runtime: More then a day. If you have it in proper suspend, while not using it. The user is not doing anything wrong, Google is. This is because of how Android handles closing applications. When you close an app, it disappears from your desktop, but the application keeps running. This eventually results in running out of memory and wake-up interupts from suspend while in fact you don't have any app open (at least, that's what you think). This is broken by design. Blame Google. The community has developed tools to list all your running apps with the option to kill them individually. So there are ways to work around this. Niels. _ Surf veilig : download Internet Explorer 8 http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/internet-explorer/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Martin Šenkeřík martinsenke...@gmail.com wrote: I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried everything, and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a try. Thanks. It looks much faster and nicer then what I've tried so far. It's too soon to talk about how stable it is. Last night it just keep charging. It was on 100%, so I just unplug it. In the morning, when I connected the charger, it booted (?!). I checked the battery level and it was 4%. Next time I'll try to use Cleanoid to see if it still drain the battery. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)
[cut] Last night it just keep charging. It was on 100%, so I just unplug it. In the morning, when I connected the charger, it booted (?!). I checked the battery level and it was 4%. Next time I'll try to use Cleanoid to see if it still drain the battery. I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about 8~10 hours with Android - current featured release. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried everything, and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a try. Can you confirm what freerunner and android versions please There is an Android build for the Freerunner (GTA02), not for the Neo 1973 (GTA01). There is a stable release candidate (v0.2 RC1) based on Android Cupcake and there is a build of Android the master branch, which is more experimental. More info can be found on http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ Niels. _ Windows 7: helpt je meer voor elkaar te krijgen. http://windows.microsoft.com/nl-BE/windows7/products/home?os=win7 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work with Neo Freerunner? I gave up on this quest a few months back and bought an n900. I love it - it has all of the advantages I liked about the FR (can ssh into it, run most standard linux software, etc.), *but* it works as a phone. Good luck! Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
[cut] I gave up on this quest a few months back and bought an n900. I love it - it has all of the advantages I liked about the FR (can ssh into it, run most standard linux software, etc.), *but* it works as a phone. Sad, but true... for now. I believe it will be better :) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Martin Šenkeřík martinsenke...@gmail.com wrote: I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried everything, and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a try. Can you confirm what freerunner and android versions please cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work with Neo Freerunner? When I say 'work', I mean the phone: - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly] - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.) - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20 hours without charging The kernel doesn't have to be Linux. The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine. Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls, and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
Which one did you try until now? If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented. You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a phone or pda :) On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work with Neo Freerunner? When I say 'work', I mean the phone: - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly] - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.) - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20 hours without charging The kernel doesn't have to be Linux. The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine. Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls, and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michele Brocco ssj2mi...@gmail.com wrote: Which one did you try until now? om2008, om2009, shr, qtopia/radek. If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented. Being lazy, I wanted a confirmation :) from someone who tried. You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a phone or pda :) I'm afraid is not even a phone yet, as its soul (software) is haunted :) On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work with Neo Freerunner? When I say 'work', I mean the phone: - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly] - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.) - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20 hours without charging The kernel doesn't have to be Linux. The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine. Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls, and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried everything, and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a try. ohin On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michele Brocco ssj2mi...@gmail.com wrote: Which one did you try until now? om2008, om2009, shr, qtopia/radek. If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented. Being lazy, I wanted a confirmation :) from someone who tried. You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a phone or pda :) I'm afraid is not even a phone yet, as its soul (software) is haunted :) On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work with Neo Freerunner? When I say 'work', I mean the phone: - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly] - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.) - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20 hours without charging The kernel doesn't have to be Linux. The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine. Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls, and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo FreeRunner a phone?
Which version of the Calypso firmware are you using? If it is less than moko11, I suggest upgrading to moko11. Maybe your modem problems have already been fixed. -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “If you have to ask why, you’re not a member of the intended audience.” — Bob Zimbinski, http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Neo FreeRunner a phone?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: Which version of the Calypso firmware are you using? If it is less than moko11, I suggest upgrading to moko11. Maybe your modem problems have already been fixed. It's moko11. Doesn't have deep sleep fix, yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
