Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-22 Thread arne anka
 What is gta02v5-lowlevel.bin made for?

only for you to ask -- and me to answer: check the archives, it has been  
answered often enough.

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-20 Thread swap38
Antony King a écrit :
 I've copied those files to our UK mirror here:

 http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Mirrors

 Openmoko haven't supplied MD5s for the images; here's what I make them:

 4ade0b3d3210ec9e9bf34bc694f0dd47  gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin
 e9cc57e863b63abfd593f97b19801b34  gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
 1f200d7123a26e16ff0415f59695dfe3  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
 7f2f26e53fc787450f84286d9f0726cf  gta02v5-lowlevel.bin
 a1ba1806ced7b6b7791802d654514ce8  Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
 48dc258d9e342fc8b2453457b7179907  Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
 6b1e33f3e83034613d33a1a3583bdac4  Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin

 If anyone from OM or elsewhere sees any different to those, please let us 
 know !

 Antony.
   

Same md5 for me (I didn't downloaded the rest) :

1f200d7123a26e16ff0415f59695dfe3 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
6b1e33f3e83034613d33a1a3583bdac4 Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin
a1ba1806ced7b6b7791802d654514ce8 Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

Maybe you can you put that somewhere on the wiki ?

Johann.

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-20 Thread Pierre Lascar
Le jeudi 18 décembre 2008 à 23:56 -0800, abatrour a écrit :
 Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.
 
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/

What is gta02v5-lowlevel.bin made for?




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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-20 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
guys -- looks for some email in the mailing list which described what
packages to remove to bring it to that desired low startup time... I
believe it is also described in wiki somewhere

I've done it on my FDOM + updates and it is indeed reasonably quick
(didn't measure exact timing though)

6 sec to press power should be improved imho -- there is no need for it
to be more than 3 sec (enough time imho to differ between Power-AUx, or
AUX - Power presses to get into different UBoots)

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Vasco Névoa wrote:
 With OM2008.9/testing and ASU theme + gsm0710muxd service, it'  
 definitely around 60 seconds.

  It's the faster i have seen on FR currently.
 Yep. :)

  Maybe it's partly because (thanks to ;) ) QI?
 That should only make a difference in the first part of boot (until  
 the first kernel line) I think...



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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-20 Thread Ian
 6 sec to press power should be improved imho -- there is no need for it
 to be more than 3 sec (enough time imho to differ between Power-AUx, or
 AUX - Power presses to get into different UBoots)

I agree, though I would argue that there is absolutely no reason to
have it any longer than 1 second - that's easily long enough that it
won't turn on accidentally and short enough that no one would get
pissed off at it:

1 second - ok
2 seconds - tolerable
3 seconds - barely tolerable
4 seconds - hmmm, is my battery dead?
5 seconds - ok, this is rediculous
6 seconds - my finger is getting sore
7 seconds - dude, WTF???
8 seconds - about bloody time!

Then there's the matter that if you release the power button the
moment the AUX LED blinks it doesn't turn on (has to be held down for
another second or so until the splash screen appears), which makes no
sense at all - if feedback is provided that the device is about to
turn on then it bloody well should turn on!

I honestly wonder if OM has hired or at least consulted with a human
interfaces expert, because it certainly doesn't feel like they have.
Well, at least they finally added a volume control I suppose...

My 2c of annoyances (I still have several dollars of annoyances left)
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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Yogiz
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:56:20 -0800 (PST)
abatrour abatr...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.
 
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/

Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some feedback
before I roll it on. I've spent too much time customizing my 2008.9 to
mess with it.

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Xavier Bestel
Hi,

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 10:22 +0200, Yogiz wrote:
 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:56:20 -0800 (PST)
 abatrour abatr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.
  
  http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
 
 Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some feedback
 before I roll it on. I've spent too much time customizing my 2008.9 to
 mess with it.

Can someone tell me if it's a recent kernel, or still 2.6.24 ?

Thanks,
Xav



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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/12/19 Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr:
 Can someone tell me if it's a recent kernel, or still 2.6.24 ?

It should be 2.6.24 still. Surprisingly though, the last time I used
daily testing I had no problems with suspend. 2.6.28 would be nicer,
but the user space hasn't been adapted to it (would require changes to
qtopia and elsewhere to take into account the new /sys paths).

That said I'm using daily testing + 2.6.28 andy-tracking kernel and
I've a modified mokoservices.py to take care of the new /sys paths
when enabling/disabling components etc.

-Timo

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

 -Message d'origine-
 De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org 
 [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Yogiz
 Envoyé : vendredi 19 décembre 2008 09:22
 À : community@lists.openmoko.org
 Objet : Re: New 2008.12 Release
 
 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:56:20 -0800 (PST) abatrour 
 abatr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.
  
  http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
 
 Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
 feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
 customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
 
I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.


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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Yogiz

  Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
  feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
  customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
  
 I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
In this list or where?

Could someone point out the biggest changes?

Yogiz

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/12/19 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com:
 but the user space hasn't been adapted to it (would require changes to
 qtopia and elsewhere to take into account the new /sys paths).

 That said I'm using daily testing + 2.6.28 andy-tracking kernel and
 I've a modified mokoservices.py to take care of the new /sys paths
 when enabling/disabling components etc.

what specifically relating to the freerunner hardware has changed; is
there any documentation anywhere?

is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs up to date?

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25:19PM +0200, Yogiz wrote:
 
   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
   customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
   
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?
 
 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

OpenMoko announce list.

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-December/28.html

Rui

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Martino
Her the change log:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update

2008/12/19 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25:19PM +0200, Yogiz wrote:

   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time
   customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
  
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?

 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

 OpenMoko announce list.

 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-December/28.html

 Rui

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

 -Message d'origine-
 De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org 
 [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Yogiz
 Envoyé : vendredi 19 décembre 2008 11:25
 À : community@lists.openmoko.org
 Objet : Re: New 2008.12 Release
 
 
   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
 customizing 
   my 2008.9 to mess with it.
   
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?
 
In fact i've also subscribed to annou...@lists.openmoko.org
I'm forwarding you the mail directly.

 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

Pro :
- OMG fast boot time (press power for 8 seconds (boring, why so long?),
start stopwatch at first line of text. Time to desktop : 38s!

Cons : 
- Didn't boot after flash. I made several tries, it was stuck at debugfs dir
creation failed. I had to aux+power, choose boot and it worked. Now it
works. (i'm using QI)
- Doesn't see my sdcard
- Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, you loose the
network connection.

I'm sure i'll find more 'Pros' after more tests :)


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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Antony King
On Friday 19 December 2008 07:56:20 abatrour wrote:
 Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.

 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/

I've copied those files to our UK mirror here:

http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Mirrors

Openmoko haven't supplied MD5s for the images; here's what I make them:

4ade0b3d3210ec9e9bf34bc694f0dd47  gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin
e9cc57e863b63abfd593f97b19801b34  gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
1f200d7123a26e16ff0415f59695dfe3  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
7f2f26e53fc787450f84286d9f0726cf  gta02v5-lowlevel.bin
a1ba1806ced7b6b7791802d654514ce8  Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
48dc258d9e342fc8b2453457b7179907  Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
6b1e33f3e83034613d33a1a3583bdac4  Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin

If anyone from OM or elsewhere sees any different to those, please let us 
know !

Antony.

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/12/19 Antony King a...@truebox.co.uk:
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/

 I've copied those files to our UK mirror here:

 http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Mirrors

 Openmoko haven't supplied MD5s for the images; here's what I make them:

 4ade0b3d3210ec9e9bf34bc694f0dd47  gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin
 e9cc57e863b63abfd593f97b19801b34  gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
 1f200d7123a26e16ff0415f59695dfe3  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin

i wish om would print the version of u-boot on the downloads page -
can anyone here report what it is? is it a new version, or just a
re-build of an existing version?

cheers

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Vasco Névoa
That's strange, I didn't get the announce mail...

Citando Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25:19PM +0200, Yogiz wrote:

   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time
   customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
  
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?

 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

 OpenMoko announce list.

 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-December/28.html

 Rui

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Cons :
| - Didn't boot after flash. I made several tries, it was stuck at
debugfs dir
| creation failed. I had to aux+power, choose boot and it worked. Now it
| works. (i'm using QI)

My guess is this might be the ro business, Qi has ro in the kernel
commandline but this update apparently does not remount rw.

| - Doesn't see my sdcard

Hmm is the /dev/mmcblk0p1 etc there through?

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Vasco Névoa
Citando KaZeR ka...@altern.org:
 Pro :
 - OMG fast boot time (press power for 8 seconds (boring, why so long?),
 start stopwatch at first line of text. Time to desktop : 38s!
Strange, I have an OM2008.9 fully updated with testing and my bootup  
time is 30 seconds more than that... anyone can explain this?

 - Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, you loose the
 network connection.
But that has always been like that, right?

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Giorgio Marci
 This new distribution is pretty usable but i have a problem. I want to
use the qtopia light and power for managing the power.

I've installed the package, started the application from shell but it
doesn't work! it can't manage the power, if i change some value light
brithness or suspend time..all remains the same! how can i fix?

have i to change some configuration file to tell the OM to use the qtopia
power management?

thanks a lot

  - Original Message -
  From: Vasco Névoa
  To: community@lists.openmoko.org
  Subject: RE: New 2008.12 Release
  Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:09:42 +


  Citando KaZeR :
   Pro :
   - OMG fast boot time (press power for 8 seconds (boring, why so
  long?),
   start stopwatch at first line of text. Time to desktop : 38s!
  Strange, I have an OM2008.9 fully updated with testing and my
  bootup
  time is 30 seconds more than that... anyone can explain this?

   - Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, you
  loose the
   network connection.
  But that has always been like that, right?

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

 -Message d'origine-
 Strange, I have an OM2008.9 fully updated with testing and 
 my bootup time is 30 seconds more than that... anyone can 
 explain this?
I have double checked: 39s 
Note that i'm talking of time to destktop, at that point for example gsm
hasn't registered to network.
It's the faster i have seen on FR currently.
Maybe it's partly because (thanks to ;) ) QI?

Yesterday's FSO M4 was awfully slow to boot, something like 150s iirc..

 
  - Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, 
 you loose 
  the network connection.
 But that has always been like that, right?

Possible, i haven't used OM that much, for various reasons.
In other distros this behavior is different, and i personnaly find it more
user-convenient.


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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/12/19 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com:
 what specifically relating to the freerunner hardware has changed; is
 there any documentation anywhere?

 is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs up to date?

No it's not up-to-date. Note that of course it's up to date regarding
2008.12 release which still has 2.6.24 kernel, but the 2.6.28 has a
lot/most paths in different form.

I now put a note about that there.

-Timo

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