Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
On 21 December 2010 15:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. [...] Fantastic stuff; I've placed an order. I understand that there are lots of caveats, and to be honest I'm not sure what they add up to, and what my expectations can reasonably be. But I can spare the money, and I think you and your team deserve support. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Am 21.12.2010 16:33, schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. Thank you very much for your efforts regarding OSS and especially the Openmoko Freerunner! I was eagerly following your updates about this project and it sounds sooo great! :D Your announcement is indeed a wonderful X-Mas present! -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. At a fixed price (280 EUR). And we take the risk that prices of components will change. You only take the risk that we may need more time to get the components and have to spin another PCB. Using your money, we will order the core components with a long lead time (OMAP, Memory, UMTS module) as soon as possible - and early enough before the GTA04A3 design is finished. I was pondering on putting my money into this - and I do want to.. just not possible for me right now. So I'd like to ask: for about how long do you plan to have that EA offer on? Best regards and merry christmas! -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ The day Microsoft creates a product that doesn't suck is the day they make vacuum cleaners. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
On Thursday 23 December 2010, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: 2010-12...@14:21 W. B. Kranendonk That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus why not?? If all we need is a piece of copper (w/o logic inside) cable... today we have many tv-set with hdmi, dvi, vga ports all around us! we could go in any hotel and use that tv-screen and feel like at home with our mobile computing! I am aware of the screens all around us, the point seems to me getting the wire out of the box. Could it be redirected to the USB-paths, so that the USB-connector became a DVI-disguised-as-USB? It doesn't have the amount of wires needed, so the available wires had to be multiplexed. In the USB-to-DVI/HDMI/WE(whatever)-converter the signals have to be demuxt again. USB connector won't handle the bandwidth required by raw DVI/HDMI. You could use a DisplayLink USB to HDMI adapter like the AlwaysInnovating DualScreen if USB host mode is available. Since the board is using the OTG connector instead of the mini-B there's a fair chance of a usable host mode, but wait for confirmation. Would the cameraconnector (the extra connection to the back of the phone) allow for this kind of signalling? I very much doubt it... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
2010-12...@08:49 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller The main idea to provide a display is that not everyone wants to disassemble the freerunner core module (PCB + Display) to easily swap both. eh! I'm one of them ;P btw, on the order page I see: Si4721 (FM transceiver) ...UH?! I can transmit my broadcast? :D or do you plan to use gta04 like a C.B. radio? ^_^ I think it's a typo 73-51! :) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Am 22.12.2010 um 09:50 schrieb Alfa21: 2010-12...@08:49 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller The main idea to provide a display is that not everyone wants to disassemble the freerunner core module (PCB + Display) to easily swap both. eh! I'm one of them ;P btw, on the order page I see: Si4721 (FM transceiver) ...UH?! I can transmit my broadcast? :D or do you plan to use gta04 like a C.B. radio? ^_^ I think it's a typo No typo: http://www.silabs.com/products/audiovideo/fmtransceivers/Pages/default.aspx It may not be according to the rules to connect an antenna and operate it. So we can replace it by a Si4705 (pin compatible receiver only). http://www.silabs.com/products/audiovideo/fmreceivers/Pages/Si470405.aspx The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio. I.e. have your radio display a caller ID or navigation hints. I think there are already some driver fragments in Linux/Staging. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Hello! At first of all I would like to thank you for your efforts. It's good to see that the GTA04 project is progressing well. On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:58:06 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio. I.e. have your radio display a caller ID or navigation hints. I think this is a very good idea. I personally would be interested in the transceiver one, if the price difference is not significant. Can you give a rough estimation of the price difference between the Si4721 and Si4705? Thank you. Regards, Balint SZENTE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Am 22.12.2010 um 12:11 schrieb SZENTE Balint: Hello! At first of all I would like to thank you for your efforts. It's good to see that the GTA04 project is progressing well. On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:58:06 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio. I.e. have your radio display a caller ID or navigation hints. I think this is a very good idea. I personally would be interested in the transceiver one, if the price difference is not significant. Can you give a rough estimation of the price difference between the Si4721 and Si4705? Our plans include only the Si4721 since the price difference is neglectable (and depends on number of units, i.e. 50% Si4705 + 50% Si4721 may be more expensive than 100% Si4721). The only reason is that in some regions it may not be allowed to operate a (low power) FM transmitter. So the Si4705 is just a fallback. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Il giorno mar, 21/12/2010 alle 16.33 +0100, Dr.H.NikolausS ha scritto: Dear all, we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: We have finally tested, understood and patched the bugs of the first GTA04 sample board (a.k.a. GTA04A2) and have successfully started U-Boot. We can access the important peripherals like display, touch screen, and MMC card. This is great, however can be planned for a quite near future to support also a different case (the Openmoko one is too thick compared to the ones used by the actual mobile hardware!) with maybe another LCD (capacitive?) and, above all a camera, the most requested hardware feature when the GTA02 was designed! :P Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Hi Marco, Am 22.12.2010 um 16:18 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Il giorno mar, 21/12/2010 alle 16.33 +0100, Dr.H.NikolausS ha scritto: Dear all, we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: We have finally tested, understood and patched the bugs of the first GTA04 sample board (a.k.a. GTA04A2) and have successfully started U-Boot. We can access the important peripherals like display, touch screen, and MMC card. This is great, however can be planned for a quite near future to support also a different case (the Openmoko one is too thick compared to the ones used by the actual mobile hardware!) with maybe another LCD (capacitive?) and, above all a camera, the most requested hardware feature when the GTA02 was designed! :P The GTA04 design has a connector for an optional camera module that even fits into the existing case (although you have to drill a hole). But we have not yet tested it. You will also be able to connect a different LCD through expansion connectors that we are currently adding to the GTA04A3 design. Unfortunately, this makes the design even thicker. Miniaturization is in contradiction with expansion/flexibility. The touch screen controller is a TSC2007 which can only handle resistive touch, but you can connect a capacitive controller as well. Regarding case design it is open to you to come up with new designs and production methods (e.g. rep-rap, makerbot, ...). We are happy to support you with knowledge. And if we finally see a project that receives applause by the community we want to help to make it a repeatable procedure so that everyone can make or buy one. A general note on thickness - the main factor is thickness of the battery and the LCD module. And, of course, the display bezel is (unneccesarily) thick. So there are ways for a thinner case (with same functionality). Happy (plastics) hacking, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) -, Early Adpoter Program
So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. This is indeed the first time after Neo1973 and FreeRunner that there is equally exciting news. +1 Great! __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
-[ Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:58:06AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ] The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio. I.e. have your radio display a caller ID or navigation hints. The n900 from Nokia does just this. Apparently they didn't care if it's allowed or not :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:29:37 +0100 Cedric Cellier ri...@happyleptic.org (CC) wrote: -[ Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:58:06AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ] The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio. I.e. have your radio display a caller ID or navigation hints. The n900 from Nokia does just this. Apparently they didn't care if it's allowed or not :) Apparently they do care very much, observe the packaging describing in what countries the FM can be used. Besides it, there is not much on the box from the back side :) This feature is cool, especially RDS, although the current n900 included code has been changed to comply with specs and RDS scrolling text doesn't work atm. Plus, you need to listed to your station in order to see the text, so no arbitrary station and your RDS notify of SMS etc... Bluetooth HF with display and radio connection do supplement the FM pretty well though - music, calls, but of course it's missing the RDS part What would be really cool is RDS reception of weather/traffic announcements + applying it to your navi or at least POI, ie. FoxtrotGPS to warn you about road conditions... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
2010-12...@19:29 Cedric Cellier -[ Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:58:06AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ] The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio. I.e. have your radio display a caller ID or navigation hints. The n900 from Nokia does just this. Apparently they didn't care if it's allowed or not :) maybe we can just put a disclaimer and/or disable that feature in software by default. (a patch or option in a file could switch that feature in operative mode) btw I'm interested in usb host/guest switch mode... will gta04 support that like the current gta02 does? usb2 or 1.1? as a final note I think it could be interesting to put a compatible connector or an optional adapter/cable to couple the gta04 with the tablet/keyboard options made by always innovating ie: replacing their mid device with the gta04 (or at least keep open the possibility to connect any external bigger display and standard keyboard) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio Or RDS Emergency messages to be able to tell the person in the car in front of you to drive faster or get out of the way through his audio system;). -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: -[ Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:58:06AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller (always innovating) (or at least keep open the possibility to connect any external bigger display and standard keyboard) That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus already stated that it should be possible to switch LCD's; does that make it possible to redirect that information to a connector that can be hooked up to such a bigger display? While writing I realize I'm asking for something that's not worth the effort ;-) Does anyone know a little box that does export high resolution to a monitor and could get its processing power over the network, read from GTA04? Think thin client, but then thinner :-) Regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
2010-12...@14:21 W. B. Kranendonk That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus already stated that it should be possible to switch LCD's; does that make it possible to redirect that information to a connector that can be hooked up to such a bigger display? While writing I realize I'm asking for something that's not worth the effort ;-) why not?? If all we need is a piece of copper (w/o logic inside) cable... today we have many tv-set with hdmi, dvi, vga ports all around us! we could go in any hotel and use that tv-screen and feel like at home with our mobile computing! no notebook/netbook needed, only our phone, a keyboard and a piece of cable! :) (for the mouse we have an LCD touchpad hehe) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: 2010-12...@14:21 W. B. Kranendonk That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus why not?? If all we need is a piece of copper (w/o logic inside) cable... today we have many tv-set with hdmi, dvi, vga ports all around us! we could go in any hotel and use that tv-screen and feel like at home with our mobile computing! I am aware of the screens all around us, the point seems to me getting the wire out of the box. Could it be redirected to the USB-paths, so that the USB-connector became a DVI-disguised-as-USB? It doesn't have the amount of wires needed, so the available wires had to be multiplexed. In the USB-to-DVI/HDMI/WE(whatever)-converter the signals have to be demuxt again. Would the cameraconnector (the extra connection to the back of the phone) allow for this kind of signalling? (for the mouse we have an LCD touchpad hehe) I hope to develop some programming skills, and make an allmightymouse out of our phone: (2D/3D) acceleration instead of a ball/led and mouse buttons onscreen. Later on with button profiles per application. Don't hold your breath though..;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Wow. This looks great! I am excited. :-) Thank you very much for your efforts to get the community this far. Best, Toby - Toby D. Young Assistant Professor Institute of Fundamental Technological Problems Polish Academy of Sciences ul Adolfa Pawinskiego 5b 02-106 Warsaw Poland www: http://www.ippt.gov.pl/~tyoung skype: stenografia On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, Dr.H.Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Dear all, we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: We have finally tested, understood and patched the bugs of the first GTA04 sample board (a.k.a. GTA04A2) and have successfully started U-Boot. We can access the important peripherals like display, touch screen, and MMC card. So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. -- what it is -- For those who have not followed or are new to this project, the GTA04 is a OMAP3 based Smartphone Platform/Module [1] that fits as a motherboard replacement into a Openmoko Neo1973 or Freerunner case [2]. It is more or less the idea to squeeze a BeagleBoard into a handheld and was started by connecting a Openmoko Display to a BeagleBoard [3]. It will finally come with UMTS (HSPA), GPS, WLAN, Bluetooth, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Altimeter, Compass, FM and an optional camera. An expansion B2B-connector allows to base a custom design on this module. A demo video of the GTA04A2 controlling the display and blinking the illuminated buttons is here [4]. A brief project description is [5]. Please excuse the low quality of the pictures, since our small team has so far focussed on hardware and software. The difference to off-the-shelf smartphones is that it will be well documented (CC-BY-SA) and schematics will be included in the spirit of the original Openmoko devices so that you can access all the nice peripherals we have designed into it. And through the expansion connectors you can also use it as a module in your design. And, it is a community project. Everyone is welcome to contribute. The driving force behind this project is Golden Delicious Computers (www.goldelico.com), a specialist for embedded hard-, firm- and software development located in Oberhaching near Munich, Bavaria, Germany. -- next steps -- A closed and safe process would be that we silently redesign the board (i.e. develop a GTA04A3), order some sample boards and test them. If everything finally works, we would order components and sit there and wait for them to arrive. Then, we would announce generaly availability in big ads in NYT and FAZ. In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to get a GTA04 earlier than Summer next year if we don't run out of money before. -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. At a fixed price (280 EUR). And we take the risk that prices of components will change. You only take the risk that we may need more time to get the components and have to spin another PCB. Using your money, we will order the core components with a long lead time (OMAP, Memory, UMTS module) as soon as possible - and early enough before the GTA04A3 design is finished. This makes sure that we have enough components for the first batch to be produced. And we will not spend the money for anything else so that you could even visit us to see your chips... But please don't touch. Once, the GTA04A3 boards arrive, we will test some of them and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has another serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board first. This all speeds up the process dramatically so that we currently estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. The price has been set very low so that it just covers component and production cost at a reduced feature set (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. Please note that it does *not* include the LCD module, case and battery, because it is a motherboard-replacement to existing Openmoko units (Freerunner and Neo1973). And, we can't specify yet which version of the OMAP3 we will get (600/720/1000 MHz) and how big the RAM/NAND flash will be. But expect something similar to the BeagleBoard. Please note that we also have chosen to switch from a GTM501 UMTS module to a GTM601 which has even better performance (HSPA+). -- how to participate -- Here is the link to the EAP offer with more detailed conditions (there are some restrictions): http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04-Early-Adopter You can also support us by purchasing a
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
FWIW, let me state that I fully support this project and will do my share to add FSO support once the necessary dependencies (hardware verification, kernel drivers) have been solved. This project is keeping the OM-spirit alive! Best regards, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Great news! I will definitely buy one of those. Not just becouse I have a dead-by-drown FR collecting dust (wich case an lcd screen I can reuse), but also 'couse the FR is the best phone I have ever, I want to support opendevices development and this is the best way I can thank all FR users and developers effort have made so far. Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - El 21/12/10 09:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Dear all, we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: We have finally tested, understood and patched the bugs of the first GTA04 sample board (a.k.a. GTA04A2) and have successfully started U-Boot. We can access the important peripherals like display, touch screen, and MMC card. So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. -- what it is -- For those who have not followed or are new to this project, the GTA04 is a OMAP3 based Smartphone Platform/Module [1] that fits as a motherboard replacement into a Openmoko Neo1973 or Freerunner case [2]. It is more or less the idea to squeeze a BeagleBoard into a handheld and was started by connecting a Openmoko Display to a BeagleBoard [3]. It will finally come with UMTS (HSPA), GPS, WLAN, Bluetooth, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Altimeter, Compass, FM and an optional camera. An expansion B2B-connector allows to base a custom design on this module. A demo video of the GTA04A2 controlling the display and blinking the illuminated buttons is here [4]. A brief project description is [5]. Please excuse the low quality of the pictures, since our small team has so far focussed on hardware and software. The difference to off-the-shelf smartphones is that it will be well documented (CC-BY-SA) and schematics will be included in the spirit of the original Openmoko devices so that you can access all the nice peripherals we have designed into it. And through the expansion connectors you can also use it as a module in your design. And, it is a community project. Everyone is welcome to contribute. The driving force behind this project is Golden Delicious Computers (www.goldelico.com), a specialist for embedded hard-, firm- and software development located in Oberhaching near Munich, Bavaria, Germany. -- next steps -- A closed and safe process would be that we silently redesign the board (i.e. develop a GTA04A3), order some sample boards and test them. If everything finally works, we would order components and sit there and wait for them to arrive. Then, we would announce generaly availability in big ads in NYT and FAZ. In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to get a GTA04 earlier than Summer next year if we don't run out of money before. -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. At a fixed price (280 EUR). And we take the risk that prices of components will change. You only take the risk that we may need more time to get the components and have to spin another PCB. Using your money, we will order the core components with a long lead time (OMAP, Memory, UMTS module) as soon as possible - and early enough before the GTA04A3 design is finished. This makes sure that we have enough components for the first batch to be produced. And we will not spend the money for anything else so that you could even visit us to see your chips... But please don't touch. Once, the GTA04A3 boards arrive, we will test some of them and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has another serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board first. This all speeds up the process dramatically so that we currently estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. The price has been set very low so that it just covers component and production cost at a reduced feature set (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. Please note that it does *not* include the LCD module, case and battery, because it is a motherboard-replacement to existing Openmoko units (Freerunner and Neo1973). And, we can't specify yet which version of the OMAP3 we will get (600/720/1000 MHz) and how big the RAM/NAND flash will be. But expect something similar to the BeagleBoard. Please note that we also have chosen to switch from a GTM501 UMTS module to a GTM601 which has even better performance (HSPA+). -- how to participate -- Here is the link to the EAP offer with more detailed conditions (there are some restrictions):
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
I would have been very glade to support this version too. but I decided to buy a mass market phone to support multiport of FSO just before the GTA04 began to be very promising.. I am a bit sad :/ but I will be there to support GTA05or 06 for sure!! anyway cheers! and Happy Holidays! best regards, Sylvain (aka garthps) 2010/12/21 Kosa k...@piradio.org Great news! I will definitely buy one of those. Not just becouse I have a dead-by-drown FR collecting dust (wich case an lcd screen I can reuse), but also 'couse the FR is the best phone I have ever, I want to support opendevices development and this is the best way I can thank all FR users and developers effort have made so far. Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - El 21/12/10 09:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Dear all, we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: We have finally tested, understood and patched the bugs of the first GTA04 sample board (a.k.a. GTA04A2) and have successfully started U-Boot. We can access the important peripherals like display, touch screen, and MMC card. So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. -- what it is -- For those who have not followed or are new to this project, the GTA04 is a OMAP3 based Smartphone Platform/Module [1] that fits as a motherboard replacement into a Openmoko Neo1973 or Freerunner case [2]. It is more or less the idea to squeeze a BeagleBoard into a handheld and was started by connecting a Openmoko Display to a BeagleBoard [3]. It will finally come with UMTS (HSPA), GPS, WLAN, Bluetooth, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Altimeter, Compass, FM and an optional camera. An expansion B2B-connector allows to base a custom design on this module. A demo video of the GTA04A2 controlling the display and blinking the illuminated buttons is here [4]. A brief project description is [5]. Please excuse the low quality of the pictures, since our small team has so far focussed on hardware and software. The difference to off-the-shelf smartphones is that it will be well documented (CC-BY-SA) and schematics will be included in the spirit of the original Openmoko devices so that you can access all the nice peripherals we have designed into it. And through the expansion connectors you can also use it as a module in your design. And, it is a community project. Everyone is welcome to contribute. The driving force behind this project is Golden Delicious Computers (www.goldelico.com), a specialist for embedded hard-, firm- and software development located in Oberhaching near Munich, Bavaria, Germany. -- next steps -- A closed and safe process would be that we silently redesign the board (i.e. develop a GTA04A3), order some sample boards and test them. If everything finally works, we would order components and sit there and wait for them to arrive. Then, we would announce generaly availability in big ads in NYT and FAZ. In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to get a GTA04 earlier than Summer next year if we don't run out of money before. -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. At a fixed price (280 EUR). And we take the risk that prices of components will change. You only take the risk that we may need more time to get the components and have to spin another PCB. Using your money, we will order the core components with a long lead time (OMAP, Memory, UMTS module) as soon as possible - and early enough before the GTA04A3 design is finished. This makes sure that we have enough components for the first batch to be produced. And we will not spend the money for anything else so that you could even visit us to see your chips... But please don't touch. Once, the GTA04A3 boards arrive, we will test some of them and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has another serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board first. This all speeds up the process dramatically so that we currently estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. The price has been set very low so that it just covers component and production cost at a reduced feature set (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. Please note that it does *not* include the LCD module, case and battery, because it is a motherboard-replacement to existing Openmoko units (Freerunner and Neo1973). And, we can't specify yet which version of the
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Hallo Nikolaus, --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: I am happy to read it! Congratulations! So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. (http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/MOV00714.mov) It's alive!! Haha, in fact it seems quite reminiscant of a nuclear whiteout followed by a blackout (emphasized by the post-apocalyptic style of the recording appliance shown in the reflection of the screen) ;-) -- next steps -- In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to (...) run out of money before. I hate that too :-( -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. (...) and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has another serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board first. You will test two way voice communication, will you? I keep receiving complaints about echo/buzz (indeed, haven't applied fix ...) estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. After wetting the appetite during FOSDEM ... (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. I am quite interested, but a bit hesitant for missing goodies. Do you have some (closer) estimate about what's missing and what which of those things are retrofittable? And, come to FOSDEM 2011 to see and touch a GTA04 and discuss with us about this new gadget. :-) We wish you all merry christmas and a happy new year. Same to you and the team! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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(there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. I am quite interested, but a bit hesitant for missing goodies. Do you have some (closer) estimate about what's missing and what which of those things are retrofittable? I'm hesitant too, so I made a donation which it sounds like will be used to subsidize the handset of someone braver than I. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 21/12/10 15:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Please note that it does *not* include the LCD module, case and battery, because it is a motherboard-replacement to existing Openmoko units (Freerunner and Neo1973). how much work is it to do this motherboard replacement? do we just unscrew our old openmoko, and put it in? does it need soldering? would it be reversible? Also what has been done to improve sound quality? Thanks Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am 21.12.2010 um 22:24 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: Hallo Nikolaus, --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: I am happy to read it! Congratulations! So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. (http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/MOV00714.mov) It's alive!! Haha, in fact it seems quite reminiscant of a nuclear whiteout followed by a blackout (emphasized by the post-apocalyptic style of the recording appliance shown in the reflection of the screen) ;-) Well, that is just a side-effect of the sensitivity regulation of the camera :) We will make better movies soon. -- next steps -- In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to (...) run out of money before. I hate that too :-( -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. (...) and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has another serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board first. You will test two way voice communication, will you? I keep receiving complaints about echo/buzz (indeed, haven't applied fix ...) Sure. estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. After wetting the appetite during FOSDEM ... (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. I am quite interested, but a bit hesitant for missing goodies. Do you have some (closer) estimate about what's missing and what which of those things are retrofittable? Since you are not the only one to note this, we thought that we add an Upgrade Kit offer. This includes all the missing parts. Kit is not exact since we will have the parts soldered to the PCB, i.e. no additional work for you. The idea is to keep the basic version down in price since not everyone needs everything. Details on the updated order page: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04-Early-Adopterreferer=GTA04-Early-Adopter And, come to FOSDEM 2011 to see and touch a GTA04 and discuss with us about this new gadget. :-) We wish you all merry christmas and a happy new year. Same to you and the team! Thank! Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Sam, Am 22.12.2010 um 01:54 schrieb sam tygier: On 21/12/10 15:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Please note that it does *not* include the LCD module, case and battery, because it is a motherboard-replacement to existing Openmoko units (Freerunner and Neo1973). how much work is it to do this motherboard replacement? do we just unscrew our old openmoko, and put it in? does it need soldering? would it be reversible? Yes - it is reversible. It is essentially the following steps: * remove battery, SIM, SD * open the Openmoko (screws) * remove the motherboard * unplug the GPS antenna * remove the Display (this is quite tricky without breaking the module or ripping off the cables) * glue to the GTA04 motherboard * scratch a little to widen the USB connector hole (the GTA02 has a Mini-B socket, the GTA04 a full OTG which is slightly wider) * install the GTA04 board * plug in the GPS antenna * close the Openmoko * install (different) SD card, SIM card, battery We plan to make a video of this process. If you don't want to tackle with the display I recommend to add a new display module for the new board. Also what has been done to improve sound quality? Sound is handled by completely different components. The main audio codec is within the TPS65950. The interface to the UMTS module is PCM (digital). So the only deterioration of sound quality is between the microphone and the TPS. We have ordered a sample of a digital microphone chip. So we may replace the analog path at all and make it more robust. On the speaker power amplifier the TPS design has much bigger coupling capacitors than the GTA02 had. So the bass-fix is already designed in. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Hi, 2010/12/22 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. I am quite interested, but a bit hesitant for missing goodies. Do you have some (closer) estimate about what's missing and what which of those things are retrofittable? Since you are not the only one to note this, we thought that we add an Upgrade Kit offer. This includes all the missing parts. Kit is not exact since we will have the parts soldered to the PCB, i.e. no additional work for you. The idea is to keep the basic version down in price since not everyone needs everything. Details on the updated order page: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04-Early-Adopterreferer=GTA04-Early-Adopter There is a display module in the order table. Is it an alternative display for users without freerunner? regards Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am 22.12.2010 um 08:38 schrieb Andreas Pokorny: Hi, 2010/12/22 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. I am quite interested, but a bit hesitant for missing goodies. Do you have some (closer) estimate about what's missing and what which of those things are retrofittable? Since you are not the only one to note this, we thought that we add an Upgrade Kit offer. This includes all the missing parts. Kit is not exact since we will have the parts soldered to the PCB, i.e. no additional work for you. The idea is to keep the basic version down in price since not everyone needs everything. Details on the updated order page: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04-Early-Adopterreferer=GTA04-Early-Adopter There is a display module in the order table. Is it an alternative display for users without freerunner? Yes, it is the TD028TTEC1 - the same as used in the Freerunner. So if you don't own a Freerunner, you can make the GTA04 useable with this display. But there is no plastic case, no GSM/GPS antenna and no speakers etc. provided (yet). So you can use it only as a PDA or WiFi MID (without sound/telephony). And, connecting the battery is a little tricky (but possible). The main idea to provide a display is that not everyone wants to disassemble the freerunner core module (PCB + Display) to easily swap both. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
2010/12/21 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. This is indeed the first time after Neo1973 and FreeRunner that there is equally exciting news. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
