Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-03-03 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 13:07, Stefan Schmidt wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 17:10, Onen wrote: Stefan Schmidt wrote: For what I have understood, you would prefer a SCM. And now that first release is out, the first point on my TODO list was exactly that. You will find a git

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-03-03 Thread Onen
Hi, Stefan Schmidt wrote: I'll will look into preparing a recipe for it today or tomorrow and will let you know if I run into problems that are better solved on your side. Just finished a recipe for it. It was rather ugly to make sure every file installs at the right place. Ugly? Do you

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-03-03 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 23:33, Onen wrote: Stefan Schmidt wrote: I'll will look into preparing a recipe for it today or tomorrow and will let you know if I run into problems that are better solved on your side. Just finished a recipe for it. It was rather ugly to make sure

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-03-01 Thread Onen
Hi, Stefan Schmidt wrote: It is Python based, so the files in the package are the source file. Yep, I'm aware of that. You will find in the package everything needed: source code, desktop file, images, glade file, authors, licenses, etc... Yep, this is also known. It's not the first

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-24 Thread Helge Hafting
onen...@free.fr wrote: For the moment our position is: We log the cell ids we get connected to. We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the cells, we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells even very far. I fear that it

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-23 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 20:00, Stefan Schmidt wrote: First problem. Where can I find the source code? Something like a tarball with the version number in the name or a source code management system would be best. It seems I'm only able to download the ipk but not the files it was build

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-22 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 20:00, Stefan Schmidt wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 19:23, Onen wrote: I don't have a recipe. Nothing comes to my mind about something special for building it. It was working with python 2.5 under FSO M4.1. The package puts the file now under 2.6 python

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-21 Thread Tim Dobson
Olivier Migeot wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial use, some don't. If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said Creative Commons licence chosed by

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-21 Thread Yorick Moko
yeah http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexnl1.html has the same for belgium I e-mailed them already twice about the licences, they did not respond :( y On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: Olivier Migeot wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi, Why setting up your own database, while opencellid has TotalCells:106120 acording to http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ? I think using there database will concentrate the data in on place and will give you a better coverage. Kind regards, @ On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54 +0100, Onen wrote:

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread onen . om
Hi, this has already been discussed in this thread on the devel list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried two

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM, onen...@free.fr wrote: What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried two times over three months time to contact them also. We have no answer so far.

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Ed Kapitein
Well, on the frontpage, bottom line it says: The data are available under the Creative Common license. Is that enough, or do you need more info about the details of that license? Kind regards, Ed On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 11:36 +0100, onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, this has already been discussed

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org writes: Well, on the frontpage, bottom line it says: The data are available under the Creative Common license. Is that enough, or do you need more info about the details of that license? There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial use,

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial use, some don't. If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said Creative Commons licence chosed by OpenCellID is :

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread kimaidou
Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Yorick Moko
Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Yorick Moko
And are you guys aware of cellhunter? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/ you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the game concept for those interested y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread onen . om
Hi, here is the post of the thread I pointed out earlier explaining why this is not clear at all, and why we have tried to reach the people behind opencellid.org (without any success). http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004161.html quote The logo is placed next to the

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Yorick Moko
excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else: do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter does? this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but could also provide some very

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread onen . om
Hi, I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the license? The whole point to me, is to have data with a license which lets me download it, and use it directly on my phone. I don't want to send my GSM coordinate to any third party on the Web to get my GPS position.

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread onen . om
I have discovered this project as I was cleaning up my code for release. At first glance, the differences are: * It sends direct AT commands to the modem, and parse the responses. openBmap relies on freesmartphone.org * So far they only collect data. We already have the Web API available to

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance Sure I can, I'll try to send

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the license? You mean data from opencellid? I guess the raw data link in their menu doesn't fit? Or try there http://myapp.fr/cellsIdData/ -- Olivier

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread onen . om
For the moment our position is: We log the cell ids we get connected to. We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the cells, we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: Any comments? That's the current position of my script too. But I wanted to log both the current cell and the respective levels of the neighbour cells. That way, I could try (with a lt of data) to guess the actual localization of the

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread onen . om
No. If you look correctly at my response, I was responding to the message from Yorick, about http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html Onen Quoting Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I had a look, but did not find a way to

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Yorick Moko
isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them... cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher precision off course, but if I walk five times around in a city, and I never get connected to a certain cell, but I know a lot of points where that cell is in range,

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread onen . om
If you are interested in getting the position of the cells, this point was discussed in the thread I pointed out earlier in this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html Maybe this can help you with your work. Onen Quoting Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com:

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote: the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. Awesome. Thanks for doing this. The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Onen
hi, Yorick Moko wrote: isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them... cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher precision off course, Agreed. That is the point of view of Nick (from the project). Add a field to know if the log is a connected cell,

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Onen
Hello, Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote: the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. Awesome. Thanks for doing this. I think so too ;-) The package Freesmartphone.org client

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

2009-02-20 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 19:23, Onen wrote: I don't have a recipe. Nothing comes to my mind about something special for building it. It was working with python 2.5 under FSO M4.1. The package puts the file now under 2.6 python directories, under FSO M5. I only have forgotten one