Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
I was also searching for an audioplayer meeting my requirements (which are quite basic), but none of those I found really fullfilled them. So I started to make a new one, which is not really finished yet (I wanted to make it a bit more complete before I announce it, but I thought it might fit to the discussion). I did not invest a lot of time because I did not find a working headset to 3,5mm plug adapter yet (now I'm planing to build one myself), but since I read now that the audio quality should be that good I have to admit that I got a bit dismotivated. If somebody is interested it looks like this: http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer1.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer2.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer3.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer4.png The source can be found here (be warned its a bit of a hack right now): http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer.tar.gz You have to place the binary and the edj file into the same directory (the edj file has to be in the working directory) and start it with: audioplayer music-root-dir It uses libmad and requires about 15% cpu for decoding an average mp3 file. I'm thinking about to remove libmad and making a gui plugin for mplayer from it, which would support more file formats (but from what I've seen in the mplayer source this would be quite some work). Comments and contributions are welcome :) Am Tuesday 14 October 2008 20:42:32 schrieb Clemens Kirchgatterer: Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want a single view named Folders (which would be a file explorer) instead of the existing Albums, Artists, Genre. I totally understand that a tag-based player could be interesting for some people, but I *know* where my files are in my collection. FULL ACK! i allways find it strange if i can't make a playlist by simply selecting a directory from the filebrowser view. clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
FWIW, the qtopia media player in the testing branch is vastly better than it was. Volume control even works now without causing distortion! From my observations, the audio quality issue has been due to CPU load and not the player itself. Even in fairly recent builds, the poor freerunner was pushing very high loads and causing the media player to mess up it's decoding. Try ensuring that only the media player is taking CPU time when playing music. I am neurotic about good sounding audio, and I love the FR, even with headphones. I was just now comparing it to an iPhone and prefer it. You do need to tweak the mixer settings, however. Some of them are offensive to the ears. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Thomas Köckerbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was also searching for an audioplayer meeting my requirements (which are quite basic), but none of those I found really fullfilled them. So I started to make a new one, which is not really finished yet (I wanted to make it a bit more complete before I announce it, but I thought it might fit to the discussion). I did not invest a lot of time because I did not find a working headset to 3,5mm plug adapter yet (now I'm planing to build one myself), but since I read now that the audio quality should be that good I have to admit that I got a bit dismotivated. If somebody is interested it looks like this: http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer1.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer2.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer3.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer4.png The source can be found here (be warned its a bit of a hack right now): http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer.tar.gz You have to place the binary and the edj file into the same directory (the edj file has to be in the working directory) and start it with: audioplayer music-root-dir It uses libmad and requires about 15% cpu for decoding an average mp3 file. I'm thinking about to remove libmad and making a gui plugin for mplayer from it, which would support more file formats (but from what I've seen in the mplayer source this would be quite some work). Comments and contributions are welcome :) Am Tuesday 14 October 2008 20:42:32 schrieb Clemens Kirchgatterer: Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want a single view named Folders (which would be a file explorer) instead of the existing Albums, Artists, Genre. I totally understand that a tag-based player could be interesting for some people, but I *know* where my files are in my collection. FULL ACK! i allways find it strange if i can't make a playlist by simply selecting a directory from the filebrowser view. clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
hi just tried to build your app. how did you get epeg into your toolchain? can't find it in the repos... i get the following when running: $om-conf audioplayer checking for E... configure: error: Package requirements ( evas ecore ecore-evas edje eet epeg ) were not met: No package 'epeg' found thx p.s. the screenshots look promising! Thomas Köckerbauer schrieb: I was also searching for an audioplayer meeting my requirements (which are quite basic), but none of those I found really fullfilled them. So I started to make a new one, which is not really finished yet (I wanted to make it a bit more complete before I announce it, but I thought it might fit to the discussion). I did not invest a lot of time because I did not find a working headset to 3,5mm plug adapter yet (now I'm planing to build one myself), but since I read now that the audio quality should be that good I have to admit that I got a bit dismotivated. If somebody is interested it looks like this: http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer1.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer2.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer3.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer4.png The source can be found here (be warned its a bit of a hack right now): http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer.tar.gz You have to place the binary and the edj file into the same directory (the edj file has to be in the working directory) and start it with: audioplayer music-root-dir It uses libmad and requires about 15% cpu for decoding an average mp3 file. I'm thinking about to remove libmad and making a gui plugin for mplayer from it, which would support more file formats (but from what I've seen in the mplayer source this would be quite some work). Comments and contributions are welcome :) Am Tuesday 14 October 2008 20:42:32 schrieb Clemens Kirchgatterer: Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want a single view named Folders (which would be a file explorer) instead of the existing Albums, Artists, Genre. I totally understand that a tag-based player could be interesting for some people, but I *know* where my files are in my collection. FULL ACK! i allways find it strange if i can't make a playlist by simply selecting a directory from the filebrowser view. clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- exactt technology Dipl. Inf. (FH) Max Giesbert Schießstättstr. 16 T: +49 17 75 07 53 44 D-80339 München F: +49 89 1 22 21 97 02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
On Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 05:41:55PM -0400, Dylan Reilly wrote: FWIW, the qtopia media player in the testing branch is vastly better than it was. Volume control even works now without causing distortion! From my observations, the audio quality issue has been due to CPU load and not the player itself. Even in fairly recent builds, the poor freerunner was pushing very high loads and causing the media player to mess up it's decoding. Try ensuring that only the media player is taking CPU time when playing music. does the system slow to an untenable crawl when playing mp3. i mean can you use dillo or webkit at the same time comfortably? whats the CPU usage of mplayer/alsa (no pulseaudio junk etc) do you have to killall -9 mplayer when a call comes in so the ring sound plays, or can you use dmix (does that chew much CPU?) i was a bit too skeptical of GTA03 to make the jump (what with Acer buying Eten, that new Russian phone on engadget, and the MeizuM8 coming _any_day_now_ and android making linux work on loads more hardware...) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
On Wednesday 15 October 2008 05:42:32 Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want a single view named Folders (which would be a file explorer) instead of the existing Albums, Artists, Genre. I totally understand that a tag-based player could be interesting for some people, but I *know* where my files are in my collection. FULL ACK! i allways find it strange if i can't make a playlist by simply selecting a directory from the filebrowser view. I found the media player in FSO completely usable and included a filebrowser. I think volume control was lacking but all in all it ran very nicely, until I updated and it didn't run at all. Out of all, this one showed the most promise to me, albeit a little ugly ... but that's a gtk thing ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
I'm using debian. Since epeg is still not in the debian repository so I compiled it from the source package I got from http://debian.alphagemini.org/dists/unstable/main/source/libs/ (First I wanted to use epsilon instead of epeg but the version I had always produced a strange error, it always wanted to write the thumbnail to /(null).png) Here are the compiled packages: http://www.gup.uni-linz.ac.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/libepeg-bin_0.9.1.042-0cvs20080608_armel.deb http://www.gup.uni-linz.ac.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/libepeg-dev_0.9.1.042-0cvs20080608_armel.deb http://www.gup.uni-linz.ac.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/libepeg0_0.9.1.042-0cvs20080608_armel.deb Am Tuesday 14 October 2008 23:46:46 schrieb Max Giesbert: hi just tried to build your app. how did you get epeg into your toolchain? can't find it in the repos... i get the following when running: $om-conf audioplayer checking for E... configure: error: Package requirements ( evas ecore ecore-evas edje eet epeg ) were not met: No package 'epeg' found thx p.s. the screenshots look promising! Thomas Köckerbauer schrieb: I was also searching for an audioplayer meeting my requirements (which are quite basic), but none of those I found really fullfilled them. So I started to make a new one, which is not really finished yet (I wanted to make it a bit more complete before I announce it, but I thought it might fit to the discussion). I did not invest a lot of time because I did not find a working headset to 3,5mm plug adapter yet (now I'm planing to build one myself), but since I read now that the audio quality should be that good I have to admit that I got a bit dismotivated. If somebody is interested it looks like this: http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer1.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer2.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer3.png http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer4.png The source can be found here (be warned its a bit of a hack right now): http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer.tar.gz You have to place the binary and the edj file into the same directory (the edj file has to be in the working directory) and start it with: audioplayer music-root-dir It uses libmad and requires about 15% cpu for decoding an average mp3 file. I'm thinking about to remove libmad and making a gui plugin for mplayer from it, which would support more file formats (but from what I've seen in the mplayer source this would be quite some work). Comments and contributions are welcome :) Am Tuesday 14 October 2008 20:42:32 schrieb Clemens Kirchgatterer: Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want a single view named Folders (which would be a file explorer) instead of the existing Albums, Artists, Genre. I totally understand that a tag-based player could be interesting for some people, but I *know* where my files are in my collection. FULL ACK! i allways find it strange if i can't make a playlist by simply selecting a directory from the filebrowser view. clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
The qtopia mediaserver takes ~35% cpu to play my max bitrate VBR-encoded mp3's. I don't have mplayer installed and not /dev/dsp for madplay so I cannot test with those. For average tasks, the UI is still nicely responsive in these latest testing builds. Anytime the load gets to 2, though, you start to get audio cutting out. GTA02 is not a brute. I actually have not tested audio interruption (i.e., incoming call) in a while, but I have never had a problem with it. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM, carmen r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 05:41:55PM -0400, Dylan Reilly wrote: FWIW, the qtopia media player in the testing branch is vastly better than it was. Volume control even works now without causing distortion! From my observations, the audio quality issue has been due to CPU load and not the player itself. Even in fairly recent builds, the poor freerunner was pushing very high loads and causing the media player to mess up it's decoding. Try ensuring that only the media player is taking CPU time when playing music. does the system slow to an untenable crawl when playing mp3. i mean can you use dillo or webkit at the same time comfortably? whats the CPU usage of mplayer/alsa (no pulseaudio junk etc) do you have to killall -9 mplayer when a call comes in so the ring sound plays, or can you use dmix (does that chew much CPU?) i was a bit too skeptical of GTA03 to make the jump (what with Acer buying Eten, that new Russian phone on engadget, and the MeizuM8 coming _any_day_now_ and android making linux work on loads more hardware...) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
Robin Paulson a écrit : 2008/10/13 Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: how did you get it to recognise tags? i imported some songs, all with id3 tags. none of the tags were recognised, the songs are all listed by filename, with 'unknown artist' and 'unknown album' any ideas? In fact the files I used were not tagged, therefore I saw all my songs in 'unknown album' / 'unknown artist' and thought this soft relies upon tags. Maybe I would have had the same result with tagged files, who knows ? I will do some additional tests this evening to see if tags are recognized. Xavier. PS : were your files ogg, or mp3 with ID3v1 tags or ID3v2 tags ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, yesterday I tried to use qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer and some ogg/mp3 files to transform the FR into a digital audio player. I have encountered 3 software problems : snip, cannot comment on the two first 3. software relies upon tags, which I do not use at all. I have a precise filesystem scheme and no need of tag-based players trying to sort my music. Is there a way of telling the thing to stop trying to be smart ? I need a dumb soft here ;) Surely a program which grabs the information from your well-designed file system schema would work for you here? The trick is, doing it in this manner (that is, with tags) makes sure you have processing power left over when browsing the music, as all the tags are cached in a high-performance database. It also gives you the advantage of being able to find tracks directly by artist or by album or by... you get the idea, i'm sure :) While your filesystem is optimal for a single path through the music, the method used in the qt mediaplayer makes sure that the information is accessible through a number of different paths. So... give tags a shot before you discard their usefulness ;) qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer seems totally usable with fingers, and that's the big motivation for me to use it. On a related topic, the media player designed by the Qt people is rather simplistic, and while it works quite well, the Amarok team is working on a new player based on the technologies in Amarok 2 - what that means is that you'll be able to do all sorts of interesting things... This is again all tags based stuff, so may well not be what you want, but as general information for other people ;) ..leinir ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:45:01AM +0200, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Hi folks, yesterday I tried to use qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer and some ogg/mp3 files to transform the FR into a digital audio player. I have encountered 3 software problems : 1. audio quality is bad (whereas it is good with Debian+Sonata/Mpd, so definitively not a hardware problem here) : is there a way to tune some parameters ? 2. external speakers still work after headphones being plugged : is there an alsa subtlety here ? (it switches automatically with Debian) 3. software relies upon tags, which I do not use at all. I have a precise filesystem scheme and no need of tag-based players trying to sort my music. Is there a way of telling the thing to stop trying to be smart ? I need a dumb soft here ;) qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer seems totally usable with fingers, and that's the big motivation for me to use it. 4. battery life :) Rui By the way what compilation options should i use to get mms:// in mplayer of openembedded because in debian it works(but does not use libmad and similar fixed point library)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
Dan Jensen a écrit : Surely a program which grabs the information from your well-designed file system schema would work for you here? The trick is, doing it in this manner (that is, with tags) makes sure you have processing power left over when browsing the music, as all the tags are cached in a high-performance database. It also gives you the advantage of being able to find tracks directly by artist or by album or by... you get the idea, i'm sure :) While your filesystem is optimal for a single path through the music, the method used in the qt mediaplayer makes sure that the information is accessible through a number of different paths. So... give tags a shot before you discard their usefulness ;) qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer seems totally usable with fingers, and that's the big motivation for me to use it. On a related topic, the media player designed by the Qt people is rather simplistic, and while it works quite well, the Amarok team is working on a new player based on the technologies in Amarok 2 - what that means is that you'll be able to do all sorts of interesting things... This is again all tags based stuff, so may well not be what you want, but as general information for other people ;) ..leinir I just want a single view named Folders (which would be a file explorer) instead of the existing Albums, Artists, Genre. I totally understand that a tag-based player could be interesting for some people, but I *know* where my files are in my collection. If I want to listen to Metallica's last album on my laptop (with Sonata/MPD), I just go into metal/Metallica/ and I add 'Death Magnetic' folder to my playlist. I don't need to search Genre:Thrash or Genre:Metal, nor Artist:Metallica because I know where this folder is. In fact, yes it is optimal for a single path to the music, and that's what I want. The tag-based approach is a good way to dig into a collection you are discovering. Maybe it's shared by a friend, maybe you don't know what you have on your disk... whatever, I know which CD I ripped and where I stored it on my disk, and collection size is not a limit of this non tag-based approach you can trust me ;) To make a debian analogy, I use debtags to find a package providing a functionality I want, but I do not use the tags when I *know* package's name. Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
2008/10/13 Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. audio quality is bad (whereas it is good with Debian+Sonata/Mpd, so definitively not a hardware problem here) : is there a way to tune some parameters ? 2. external speakers still work after headphones being plugged : is there an alsa subtlety here ? (it switches automatically with Debian) 3. software relies upon tags, which I do not use at all. I have a precise filesystem scheme and no need of tag-based players trying to sort my music. Is there a way of telling the thing to stop trying to be smart ? I need a dumb soft here ;) how did you get it to recognise tags? i imported some songs, all with id3 tags. none of the tags were recognised, the songs are all listed by filename, with 'unknown artist' and 'unknown album' any ideas? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
Convert the audio files before you copy them to the FR. The bad quality is caused of that pulseaudio and the openmoko-mediaplayer uses near to 100% cpu time. I converted some mp3 to mono 64kbps, they sound good.And cpu usage is around 60%. Here a little script: #!/bin/bash # execute it in a folder where the tracks are. First argument is to make files different to others. (May ID3-Tags are deleted. I used TagTool to create new Tags [from Filename].) for fff in *.mp3; do echo $fff lame $fff -b 64 -m m -o -S /home/username/$1 - $fff done http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide#openmoko-mediaplayer2 Shows how to make openmoko-mediaplayer2 finger usable. To: community@lists.openmoko.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:45:01 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player Hi folks, yesterday I tried to use qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer and some ogg/mp3 files to transform the FR into a digital audio player. I have encountered 3 software problems : 1. audio quality is bad (whereas it is good with Debian+Sonata/Mpd, so definitively not a hardware problem here) : is there a way to tune some parameters ? 2. external speakers still work after headphones being plugged : is there an alsa subtlety here ? (it switches automatically with Debian) 3. software relies upon tags, which I do not use at all. I have a precise filesystem scheme and no need of tag-based players trying to sort my music. Is there a way of telling the thing to stop trying to be smart ? I need a dumb soft here ;) qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer seems totally usable with fingers, and that's the big motivation for me to use it. Thanks in advance, Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
Sam Kuper wrote: 2008/10/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was *very* disapointed when I discovered the audio quality via headphones:in IRC they told me that it was because the capacitor(that is between headphone out and the sound card)'s value was too low and acted as a filter... As I am too afraid of breaking the openmoko i won't change the capacitor myself...but what could I do? build/buy an external amplifier(will it work fine?) or find a place where they could remplace me the capacitor? I wasn't aware of this problem, but if what you are saying is that the headphone out socket of the phone has a capacitor connected across it that is attenuating the high frequencies, then an external amplifier connected to that socket will not be able to restore those frequencies. The cap is 1uF in series - see the schematics at http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/GTA02/ and check the archives for a thorough analysis by Joerg: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001996.html An external amp will provide a high impedence load, so things will be better, but unless there was an unannounced change in the componenet values for the later boards you will be stuck with bass rolling off below 160Hz. On the hardware list you can find discussion of the modification options. A well-designed amplifier that takes a digital audio feed from the USB socket - a USB soundcard, essentially, would work in principle, but in practice may be expensive/time-consuming to implement. There are any number of usb headsets out there. Many would be trivial to modify for use with other headphones. If you're serious about your audio there's always the HeadRoom BitHead. My advice would be to try listening to music on your phone. If it sounds fine, don't worry about it further. If it isn't fine, try using a distro that is known to have good sound capabilities (someone else mentioned that Debian gives high playback quality). Only if this fails to give you adequate quality might it be worth investigating hardware replacements/augmentation. Regards, Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- SolutionTrax Limited, Registered in England Wales, Trading as TrueBox Registered office: Silbury Court, 420 Silbury Boulevard, Milton Keynes, MK9 2AF, UK Company Number: 4494022 VAT Registration Number: 825 1952 26 Telephone: +44 (0)845 508 3397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
2008/10/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was *very* disapointed when I discovered the audio quality via headphones:in IRC they told me that it was because the capacitor(that is between headphone out and the sound card)'s value was too low and acted as a filter... As I am too afraid of breaking the openmoko i won't change the capacitor myself...but what could I do? build/buy an external amplifier(will it work fine?) or find a place where they could remplace me the capacitor? I wasn't aware of this problem, but if what you are saying is that the headphone out socket of the phone has a capacitor connected across it that is attenuating the high frequencies, then an external amplifier connected to that socket will not be able to restore those frequencies. A well-designed amplifier that takes a digital audio feed from the USB socket - a USB soundcard, essentially, would work in principle, but in practice may be expensive/time-consuming to implement. My advice would be to try listening to music on your phone. If it sounds fine, don't worry about it further. If it isn't fine, try using a distro that is known to have good sound capabilities (someone else mentioned that Debian gives high playback quality). Only if this fails to give you adequate quality might it be worth investigating hardware replacements/augmentation. Regards, Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
Matthias Camenzind a écrit : Convert the audio files before you copy them to the FR. The bad quality is caused of that pulseaudio and the openmoko-mediaplayer uses near to 100% cpu time. I converted some mp3 to mono 64kbps, they sound good.And cpu usage is around 60%. Here a little script: Mmmm that's strange because everything sounds good under Debian. But thanks for the hint, I will check my cpu usage. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide#openmoko-mediaplayer2 Shows how to make openmoko-mediaplayer2 finger usable. Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:45:01AM +0200, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Hi folks, yesterday I tried to use qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer and some ogg/mp3 files to transform the FR into a digital audio player. I have encountered 3 software problems : 1. audio quality is bad (whereas it is good with Debian+Sonata/Mpd, so definitively not a hardware problem here) : is there a way to tune some parameters ? 2. external speakers still work after headphones being plugged : is there an alsa subtlety here ? (it switches automatically with Debian) 3. software relies upon tags, which I do not use at all. I have a precise filesystem scheme and no need of tag-based players trying to sort my music. Is there a way of telling the thing to stop trying to be smart ? I need a dumb soft here ;) qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer seems totally usable with fingers, and that's the big motivation for me to use it. 4. battery life :) Rui 5.The Hardware problem of external speakers/headphones: I was *very* disapointed when I discovered the audio quality via headphones:in IRC they told me that it was because the capacitor(that is between headphone out and the sound card)'s value was too low and acted as a filter... As I am too afraid of breaking the openmoko i won't change the capacitor myself...but what could I do? build/buy an external amplifier(will it work fine?) or find a place where they could remplace me the capacitor? I wanted to remplace my old ogg player with the openmoko...because my old ogg player is(pma430): *not powerfull enough to decode all the internet radios(such as mms://) *has a lot of bugs(the port of mplayer is buggy on it,and the default audio player too) *can't be easely programmed to make a usefull(quick and dirty) player...because there is an old qtopia,python hasn't the gtk library,mplayer is buggy etc...so making a player is out of my capacity... So I Thought buying the openmoko that I could also use it as a ogg/radio player...but without headphones...I can't listen to it in the metro... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
Mmmm that's strange because everything sounds good under Debian. But thanks for the hint, I will check my cpu usage. You are right, after a bit of killing : - it sounds good with qtopia media player, and mediaserver eats 45% of CPU in top - it sounds good too with mplayer (frontend here http://www.opkg.org/package_1.html) and it eats only 30% of CPU Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:45:01AM +0200, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Hi folks, yesterday I tried to use qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer and some ogg/mp3 files to transform the FR into a digital audio player. I have encountered 3 software problems : 1. audio quality is bad (whereas it is good with Debian+Sonata/Mpd, so definitively not a hardware problem here) : is there a way to tune some parameters ? 2. external speakers still work after headphones being plugged : is there an alsa subtlety here ? (it switches automatically with Debian) 3. software relies upon tags, which I do not use at all. I have a precise filesystem scheme and no need of tag-based players trying to sort my music. Is there a way of telling the thing to stop trying to be smart ? I need a dumb soft here ;) qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer seems totally usable with fingers, and that's the big motivation for me to use it. 4. battery life :) Rui -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Sweetmorn, the 67th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Using Freerunner as a digital audio player
El Luns, 13 de Outubro de 2008, Matthias Camenzind escribió: Convert the audio files before you copy them to the FR. The bad quality is caused of that pulseaudio and the openmoko-mediaplayer uses near to 100% cpu time. I converted some mp3 to mono 64kbps, they sound good.And cpu usage is around 60%. Here a little script: #!/bin/bash 400 MHz unable to decode 128 kbps mp3 on the fly??? My 486-66 did it with winamp! I think there might be some problem with latest qtopia's mediaplayer (or sound server). The same files I heard flawlessly on 4.3.3 snapshot, continuosly clicks on 4.4.1. Both in ogg and mp3. -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
