Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
I have updated my Alpha.kbd layout changes in this version: 1. Changed type to Alpha 2. Increased space between keys by one pixel to reduce typing mistakes 3. Added : and ; characters to facilitate typing emoticons The new version is available at this URL: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/18573b096dda/Alpha.kbd Regards, -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
Hi, On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Michael Smith michael.sm...@netapps.com.au wrote: Yes. http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png Very nice keyboards. Does anyone know if it is possible to get keyboards like these on QtMoko? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
2009/10/10 Michael Smith michael.sm...@netapps.com.au: I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus. could you post some screenshots? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:22:31 +1300 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/10 Michael Smith michael.sm...@netapps.com.au: I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus. could you post some screenshots? Yes. http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png (memo to self. After exporting display to moko to run xwd don't just start gimp from the same terminal without resetting display). -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
I loved it On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Michael Smith michael.sm...@netapps.com.au wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:22:31 +1300 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/10 Michael Smith michael.sm...@netapps.com.au: I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus. could you post some screenshots? Yes. http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png (memo to self. After exporting display to moko to run xwd don't just start gimp from the same terminal without resetting display). -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
could you post some screenshots? Yes. http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png Nooo!, where is the qwerty? :D on a more serious note, the qwerty layout is sufficiently imprinted in my mussle memory that any other layout is a deal breaker. (The same goes for navit) Adolph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Can we edit it to make it qwerty?? Wouldn't that difficult!! On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: could you post some screenshots? Yes. http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png Nooo!, where is the qwerty? :D on a more serious note, the qwerty layout is sufficiently imprinted in my mussle memory that any other layout is a deal breaker. (The same goes for navit) Adolph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:20:00 +0530 Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: I loved it Thanks for your comments. Two more screenshots showing the shifted state: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/tip/alpha_shifted.png http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/tip/numeric_shifted.png -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:57:07 +0200 Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: Nooo!, where is the qwerty? :D on a more serious note, the qwerty layout is sufficiently imprinted in my mussle memory that any other layout is a deal breaker. (The same goes for navit) Be thankful I didn't go for AZERTY ;) Regards, -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
openmoko-life seems so much easier with a guitarplayer's thumbnail ^^ On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:24 +1100, Michael Smith wrote: I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus. Regards, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
Hi I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip The picture is a 1000 words. http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/8ae977b23a1c/alpha.png Very nice. I want it. I guess I'll try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#How_to_install_a_new_layout thanks! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be square? -- Adolph J. Vogel BEng(Hons) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200 Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be square? No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in the kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are easy to work with. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:27:55 Michael Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200 Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be square? No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in the kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are easy to work with. :( Rectangular, wont work for what I hand in mind. -- Adolph J. Vogel BEng(Hons) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:37:53 +0200 Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:27:55 Michael Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200 Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be square? No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in the kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are easy to work with. :( Rectangular, wont work for what I hand in mind. Were you thinking about meshed triangular keys? Maybe you should ask the Enlightenment people about that. I have just adapted the existing layouts using information on the wiki page. I am sure there are some tricks there which I don't know about. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:56:19 Michael Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:37:53 +0200 Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:27:55 Michael Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200 Adolph J. Vogel ajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be square? No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in the kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are easy to work with. :( Rectangular, wont work for what I hand in mind. Were you thinking about meshed triangular keys? Maybe you should ask the Enlightenment people about that. I have just adapted the existing layouts using information on the wiki page. I am sure there are some tricks there which I don't know about. It doesn`t have to be triangular, but some shape that could be meshed would work. Circular probably best. But alas... -- Adolph J. Vogel BEng(Hons) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
Hi I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository: Very nice. I want it. I guess I'll try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#How_to_install_a_new_layout That didn't work all that nice :-( Tried to install them next to raster's keyboards, but they appeared all empty. Then I replaced rasters keyboard with these, but Enlightenment segfaulted, had to restart, lost my ssh into the brick and Enlightment wouldnt get back up .. ouch .. anyway The trick is, the files shouldnt start with comments. I removed the first 4 lines (so it starts with ##KBDCONF-1.0) and they work like a charm. Can't really run them side by side with Raster's, because the keyboard's canvas sizes are different; apparently, enlightenment chooses the canvas size of the first keyboard it finds and sticks to that. I have them all working now, but raster's keyboards are swimming in a pool of empty greyness. Great though - I'll stick to those. thanks! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
Hi, how can I download the keyboard layout? -- A.A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:58:15 +0200 pike pike-openm...@kw.nl wrote: Hi I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository: Very nice. I want it. I guess I'll try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#How_to_install_a_new_layout That didn't work all that nice :-( Tried to install them next to raster's keyboards, but they appeared all empty. Then I replaced rasters keyboard with these, but Enlightenment segfaulted, had to restart, lost my ssh into the brick and Enlightment wouldnt get back up .. ouch .. anyway The trick is, the files shouldnt start with comments. I removed the first 4 lines (so it starts with ##KBDCONF-1.0) and they work like a charm. Can't really run them side by side with Raster's, because the keyboard's canvas sizes are different; apparently, enlightenment chooses the canvas size of the first keyboard it finds and sticks to that. I have them all working now, but raster's keyboards are swimming in a pool of empty greyness. Great though - I'll stick to those. Oops sorry about that. I added the comments at the after I tested the last version. Bad luck finding a bug like that. I noticed that the keyboard window retains the geometry given to it by my larger keyboard layout. This was the reason why I started to update the numeric layout to the same size as the alphanumeric one. I have updated my repository http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/rev/1d5e2a734703 ...and tested that actual version on my phone. Thanks for giving it a go. I occasionally need the terminal layout so I may attempt a new version of that one as well. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:45:45 +0200 A.A. a...@email.it wrote: how can I download the keyboard layout? 1. Download these two files: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/1d5e2a734703/Alpha.kbd http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/1d5e2a734703/Numbers.kbd 2. Use SSH networking to copy them to the phone http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking 3. On the phone copy both files to /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards 4. Restart Enlightenment killall -HUP enlightenment It should also be possible to download them directly on the phone, then use the terminal to move the files to the correct location. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
Hi I occasionally need the terminal layout so I may attempt a new version of that one as well. actually the 'type' of Alpha.kbd is set to 'TERMINAL' instead of 'ALPHA'. I haven't noticed any difference though. I think it's the quotes around the second character that makes it use the dictionray prediction. One character I was instantly missing was the :. I had to use the 'Terminal' layout to type a smiley :-) Thanks! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:05:43 +0200 pike pike-openm...@kw.nl wrote: Hi I occasionally need the terminal layout so I may attempt a new version of that one as well. actually the 'type' of Alpha.kbd is set to 'TERMINAL' instead of 'ALPHA'. I haven't noticed any difference though. I think it's the quotes around the second character that makes it use the dictionray prediction. One character I was instantly missing was the :. I had to use the 'Terminal' layout to type a smiley :-) Yes I did that because I was trying to inhibit the predictive behaviour of the alphabetical keyboard to make it more like the terminal keyboard. I wrote these layouts for my wife so she could use the phone without a stylus. She has a strong dislike for predictive T9 style input methods. On her Motorola she prefers to press every key three times when typing an SMS. She is traveling soon but decided not to take the openmoko because it doesn't have a UI to display sent SMS messages. Also it was a bit tricky to use. I will set those layouts to the correct type and reissue them in the next couple of days. I will also see what I can do about the colon character. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
