Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
Margo wrote: The Officer S101 seems interesting: http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html Wow. At least a _useable_ hw keyboard. That is, one that has a couple of keys to the right of 'p' and 'l'. Which is necessary for so many non-english languages. A top row ending in 'p' is useless. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 2/11/10, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org writes: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +, William Kenworthy wrote: Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a GSM device, but not both at the same time. Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. The N900 is very proprietary: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo The thing in red in the image are proprietary,including some core things like battery charging. For those of us who can't see red (and thus can't differentiate between red and black), would someone be willing to list which items are `in red' and which are `in black'? Proprietary: -Application Interfaces Sharing plugins libsharing calendar-backend libtime libcityinfo -UI Framework Startup Wizard Restore factory settings Clear User data framework -Location Framework (all proprietary) gypsy daemon liblocation location daemon -Nokia Graphics (all proprietary) Sounds Icons -Data Management Backup Address Book -RTCom Mission Control rtcom-eventlogger libaccounts SSO -Toolkit Fonts Themes - Connectivity framework Funambol SyncML xml2wbxml ICD2 - Multmedia [sic] Framework -- Policy PulseAudio PEP libplayback -- Audio EAP AEP FMTX middleware - Cellular (all proprietary) Modem Services Cellular Modem Software - Core softupd sysinfod CertMan OpenGL ES 2.0 Nolo bootloader Flasher - System Software DSME BME MCE Clockd IPHBD System UI Profiled ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Marc-Olivier Barre ma...@marcochapeau.orgwrote: On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.auwrote: What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far as a FreeRunner replacement. There should be a public developer release soon. I'd guess (based on the pricing of the Zii Egg Dev kit) a dev kit would be a little pricey (US$600 to US$800.) Although considering an unlocked Nexus One is US$530... maybe not. All perspective I suppose. Zii Trinity http://www.ziilabs.com/products/platforms/ziitrinity.aspx Hi, First mail in a while that even catches my attention ! Thanks for that. Do you know if they provide open sourced drivers for their hardware ? Cheers, -- Marc-Olivier Barre XMPP ID : ma...@marcochapeau.org www.MarcOChapeau.org ___ No problem. This came to me over identi.ca and my jaw dropped the more reading I did. I don't have a real answer for you. I've been trying to get into the dev forums but they have some .asp issues with their site. But here is my best guess. ZiiLabs is a wholly owned subsidary of Creative Labs. If I read their propaganda correctly, they will support both android and their own version of linux, plaszma. It looks like they will provide tweaked versions of android, drivers and middleware to the dev community. So I would say that no, the device drivers will not be open source. I would say the developer community would be provided with binary kernel modules. My best guess but the official answer would have to come from ZiiLabs. I'm also guessing a dev NDA would be involved. On the other side of the coin, engadget, gizmodo and most of the gadget news sites keep speaking of the device as Open Source... so you never know. They seem to be actively looking for OEMs for this phone. Perhaps one of our FR distributors could inquire? I'm considering dropping $400 on the Zii Egg dev kit just to start playing with it. I'd rather have the Trinity but I am not sure how long that will take. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 1/8/10, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: So Im back to my waiting position. In a year or so, my decision will be crystal-clear;-) Just don't hold your breath :) In one year you will have more devices to choose from. Do you remember when there was only iPhone and Neo? :) You know the past, you see the present, you see the trend. Isn't the future obvious? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.auwrote: What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far as a FreeRunner replacement. There should be a public developer release soon. I'd guess (based on the pricing of the Zii Egg Dev kit) a dev kit would be a little pricey (US$600 to US$800.) Although considering an unlocked Nexus One is US$530... maybe not. All perspective I suppose. Zii Trinity http://www.ziilabs.com/products/platforms/ziitrinity.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.auwrote: What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far as a FreeRunner replacement. There should be a public developer release soon. I'd guess (based on the pricing of the Zii Egg Dev kit) a dev kit would be a little pricey (US$600 to US$800.) Although considering an unlocked Nexus One is US$530... maybe not. All perspective I suppose. Zii Trinity http://www.ziilabs.com/products/platforms/ziitrinity.aspx Hi, First mail in a while that even catches my attention ! Thanks for that. Do you know if they provide open sourced drivers for their hardware ? Cheers, -- Marc-Olivier Barre XMPP ID : ma...@marcochapeau.org www.MarcOChapeau.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, Haven't been reading the list much in a long time... I have a Neo, which I never could use as a day-to-day phone, due to battery life. Now I've got an N900, just wanted to comment on this: From: Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it. Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though) I find that very much depends on what applications you have running, and I'm wondering if there's a memory leak in the browser. There seems to be a browser daemon that uses a lot of processor even when it's not running--but after killing all the browser windows, it gets responsive again for a while. So some of the time it's really responsive, but now and then it gets really bogged down... killing stuff brings it back. I think most of the laggishness is completely related to applications, and something that can be fixed--if I keep the number of open apps down to around 6 or so, it's usually just fine. I do find myself rebooting it once or twice a week, which does clear up some of these issues. An iphone had never such problem, and it has a weaker hardware... That's because you can't run multiple apps on it! I wrote up an initial review on the n900 here: http://www.freelock.com/blog/john-locke/3/nokia-n900-first-impressions ... already most of the things I identified as shortcomings are no longer issues, either because there's now applications for it, or there was a feature I didn't know about (such as a browser mode that allows for mouseover, select, and drag-and-drop). In short, after having it for a month, I'm really happy with it. Now to find a gpsd package so TangoGPS can figure out where I am... Cheers, John Locke http://www.freelock.com - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com: What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end model to nokia. There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810 Huh? That looks like 3 models to me. And the N900 makes 4. (Note that n700 should be 770.) From the corporate Nokia point of view, I'm sure that Maemo has always been, and so far still is, an experimental direction. They have taken their time to evolve the platform, while at the same time getting some revenue for selling as internet tablets. Pretty clever of them actually. I wonder what their overall profit/loss is on this business? From the same point of view, I expect that further expansion of this platform will depend massively on whether N900 is successful. Firstly, whether it sells in large numbers; secondly, whether Nokia estimate that Maemo is now a more efficient platform for future development than their other options. (Actually N900 is reported as being Step 4 out of 5 in the overall plan, so there is already at least one more model planned. I guess that that would be a relatively minor increment on the N900, to fix problems that are found with the new phone aspects.) Btw, if there an SHR porting effort to N900? Or e libraries? Doesn't the N900 use the standard Debian archive? (I only know that part of the community has pushed for that for a long time...) If it does, the question becomes whether the e libraries are in Debian. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:10:49AM +, Neil Jerram wrote: Doesn't the N900 use the standard Debian archive? (I only know that part of the community has pushed for that for a long time...) I don't know about that. If it does, the question becomes whether the e libraries are in Debian. But e libraries are in Debian, last updated december 2009 ;) If they use Debian repository there will be SHR for N900, too once I finished the new packages. -- Sebastian signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Friday 08 January 2010 11:10:49 Neil Jerram wrote: 2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com: What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end model to nokia. There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810 Huh? That looks like 3 models to me. And the N900 makes 4. I think he meant concurrent models, not incremental releases. However, I think (and hope) once the 5 Step program for the maemo development is finished we will see a lot more Maemo devices from Nokia. Btw, if there an SHR porting effort to N900? Or e libraries? Doesn't the N900 use the standard Debian archive? (I only know that part of the community has pushed for that for a long time...) If it does, the question becomes whether the e libraries are in Debian. No. The N900 uses dpkg/apt and .deb packages but they are not exactly the same as debian ones. There are some additional tweaks and hooks to regard the limited ressources on mobile devices. However. You can re-package debian packages for maemo without recompiling the source. Cheers, Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: From the same point of view, I expect that further expansion of this platform will depend massively on whether N900 is successful. Firstly, whether it sells in large numbers; secondly, whether Nokia estimate that Maemo is now a more efficient platform for future development than their other options. I highly doubt about the selling numbers of Nokia N900. It is the most expensive model from Nokia, with no other alternatives (from Nokia). For example here in Hungary, none of the providers offer Nokia N900, so paying the full price (590EUR) is pretty much a non-option for an average person when he can get an iphone for 35 EUR (plus 70EUR/month minimum talk). I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it. Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though) An iphone had never such problem, and it has a weaker hardware... So Im back to my waiting position. In a year or so, my decision will be crystal-clear;-) Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[...] I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it. Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though) [...] It may be application dependent? Take a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHmH_U5-YL8 Regards Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote: The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open. http://maemo.org You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling or even the battery charger daemon is closed source. But there's probably some high level API to handle the battery, modem, gps, etc. Isn't it possible to put FSO on top of that in form of a compatibility layer? Just guessing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid) http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN See Nexus. Already rooted the US version (Droid): http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236t=567 See Nexus, minus rooting. - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera) unknown though. - Palm Pre http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ Very likely, if it wasn't for the completely obfuscated modem interface which we're still working on. - Apple iphone http://www.apple.com/iphone/ Unrealistic. There won't be a Linux-port soon. Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices? Not really, FSO has a page on the wiki, but since we're not in the kernel business, but rather working on middleware, we rely on the various reverse-engineering communities to do the grunt work. Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com [...] http://maemo.org You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling or even the battery charger daemon is closed source. But there's probably some high level API to handle the battery, modem, gps, etc. Isn't it possible to put FSO on top of that in form of a compatibility layer? Just guessing. On the maemo developers list there is a discussion about using ofono on the N900 that should work out of the box, so the phone system is mostly open (excluding the gui part). Someone tested it using pnatd too, a daemon that provides an at compatibility layer, it may be interesting to test it with FSO. I want to remember that on N900 root access is trivial, and with few clicks you are able to install openssh server and login with root account without problems, IMHO the n900 is the less closed device in the propretary market. It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Regards Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2010/1/7 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Excellent idea. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Excellent idea. +1 Wonderful. How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with contract or what... what service could we use? Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get enough people... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy Wow, that looks nice. Then there is hope, that (except Freerunner) there will be another phone looking up for the award of the most free phone. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLRkqdlYiDScJJ+7QRAnpfAKCkQ5LII0XH701McwfksP0VHPAZMgCg51PR efUm9XG+tjTd1t91Fn1ox78= =0Uoh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thursday 07 January 2010 21:57:01 Bastian Muck wrote: Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy Wow, that looks nice. Then there is hope, that (except Freerunner) there will be another phone looking up for the award of the most free phone. FWIW, you don't need to void your warranty to get root or flash the device with the N900... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 18:55 +0100 schrieb Petr Vanek: It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Excellent idea. +1 Wonderful. How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with contract or what... what service could we use? Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get enough people... Absolutely. I think I could get it here even for around 500. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera) unknown though. What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end model to nokia. There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810 No other phones appeared using the same software on it. So I doubt if it will or want to become a widespread platform, or always stays as specialty. Btw, if there an SHR porting effort to N900? Or e libraries? Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid) http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN Already rooted the US version (Droid): http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236t=567 - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ - Palm Pre http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ - Apple iphone http://www.apple.com/iphone/ Maybe apple iphone seems unrealistic, but the hardware is quite similar to the other ones. Almost all of the aboves uses omap3430 processor. Google Nexus uses snapdragon... Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices? Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ The Nexus One has an unlockable bootloader built-in--just agree to the risks of modifying firmware and you're in, no hacking required: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/49595 That's certainly a step in the right direction. Jim - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid) http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN Already rooted the US version (Droid): http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236t=567 - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ - Palm Pre http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ - Apple iphone http://www.apple.com/iphone/ Maybe apple iphone seems unrealistic, but the hardware is quite similar to the other ones. Almost all of the aboves uses omap3430 processor. Google Nexus uses snapdragon... Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices? Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wednesday 06 January 2010 17:28:07 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open. You can reflash it with the official nokia flasher and get root access without any hazzle. Basically everything running on debian-arm will run on the n900 (after re-packaging - no recompiling). http://maemo.org There is also a community based Distro called Mer. It is completely open source and based on ubuntu. There is also a freerunner port of it somewhere around the net. - Palm Pre http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ I had the chance to play around with a Palm Pre. You can activate a serial terminal through USB by pressing some fancy key combos. After that you can install usb networking and dropbear ssh. You'll find an openembedded linux with a very limited version of ipkg. However, you can activate openembedded repositories and have pretty much everything you have on an openwrt router. No X11 though. http://www.webos-internals.org - Apple iphone http://www.apple.com/iphone/ IIRC there is a linux distribution for the iPhone. I have no idea what state they have reached... I wouldn't hope too much that FSO is useful on iPhones MacOS though... Anyways, IMHO the constant locking/jailbraeking race with apple isn't worth it. About android. Just install it on your FR and play a little around. It is pretty much the same you can expect from any android phone I guess (except better stability and performance then on the freerunner)... From what I've seen every manufacturer (except Apple) lets you reflash the phone selecting your own image and getting root access without big hazzle. But they are all trying to hide the linux side as much as possible except Nokia. The N900 comes with X11 and x-term preinstalled and you have the possibility to add devel-repositories where you can even contribute your own projects. gcc is just an apt-get install away :) Cheers, Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote: The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open. http://maemo.org You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling or even the battery charger daemon is closed source. http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo The situation is only better, because it happen to have more open source developers who are willing to really free the maemo platform. IE reverse engineer the closed source programs. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
2010/1/4 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au: What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system is minimal. Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a GSM device, but not both at the same time. Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. What others are available NOW? BillK The Officer S101 seems interesting: http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
Am Montag, den 04.01.2010, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Margo: The Officer S101 seems interesting: http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html Unfortunately it has been just around the corner and almost out for about 5 years now and the scheduled price tag when it actually comes out (of which I'm not convinced) will be way more than a N900 -- I doubt that it will spread wide that way :/ :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
This is one I was not aware of - looks nice but its still not 3G capable BillK On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 20:08 +0200, Margo wrote: 2010/1/4 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au: What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system is minimal. Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a GSM device, but not both at the same time. Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. What others are available NOW? BillK The Officer S101 seems interesting: http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
