Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
snip With the price of the phone you payed the hardware, personally I think a very good hardware. If you want to confront the Open Source Community with a propretary software firm, you are in a wrong direction. OK, I'm taking the bait (no offence is meant by this post to anyone, don't take it the wrong way. I'm anticipating most of the shortcomings I mention here will be fixed in future phones anyway) good hardware, ey? GSM, what, no 3G? Oh well, nevermind, that's why I carry an N95 with a data only plan and I never had the intention to use the FR for data anyway (too expensive down here to have a single device do both)... Wifi - range not so great, but doesn't bother me too much. USB1.1 ?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!? Sorry, I'm kind of used to being able to flash my Internet Tablet in a matter of seconds (not exaggerating) and then finished booting into the new OS in under 2 minutes. The neo is kind of like start flashing, and now watch some TV while I wait -- and I better just hope that MythTV recorded something worth watching! Bluetooth - well, you can't really go wrong with bluetooth, so no faults here Accelerometers - I'm not entirely sure why I need two of them, but hey it's still pretty neat :) GPS - Haven't tried it, can't imaging there being any hardware issues with it thoguh. Lack of keyboard - ewww, oh well, I guess it can be compensated for by a decent on screen keyboard, right? Screen - not sunlight readable!?!?! Dude, WTF? I guess the lack of a keyboard CAN'T be compensated outside in the middle of the day then. Oh well, I guess this is only 2nd gen after all, and it did take Nokia until their 3rd gen Internet Tablet to include one... resolution of 480x640 - meh, I don't need that much. Audio jack - haven't used it yet, I would have preferred a 3.5mm jack, but doesn't bother me too much. RAM - 128 glorious MiB :) Just, please no one port firefox (microb or other browsers using gecko, sure, just not the whole firefox). NOR - *thankyou* for the failsafe FIC, speaking as one who has bricked embedded devices before (and thank goodness I had a debug board with jTAG for that). NAND - 256 MB can feel cramped at times, but that's OK, just a sign that I should probably have remembered that it's an embedded device before I tried to install OpenSuSE desktop (kidding). Camera (or lack there of) - Doesn't bother me personally, but then I'm the guy that can be identified by carrying 3 phones (FR+N95(works as a 3G bluetooth modem and camera)+Work mobile) and an internet tablet in various pockets in my cargo pants. It's an interesting point of debate - on one side I'm hearing lots of people say ooh, a smartphone I could take into work, on the other side I'm hearing a lot of people asking me about the phone and finally commenting what? no camera?. Though until the software gets better I'm not entirely sure how many businesses (other than FIC obviously) would appreciate one of their employees taking some time off to run some straces on the phone to try to work out what's wrong with his SMS app THIS time, and just wishing he had something with him that he could use to SSH into it to make this faster... Open - It's why I bought the thing So yeah, overall the phone hardware is OK, but I wouldn't really call it good. My main personal complaints are the lack of a sunlight readable screen, USB1.1 and the lack of a keyboard or keypad. The main hardware related points that random people keep bringing up when they have a look at it are no 3G (probably thinking iPhone) and both sides of the camera argument. my 2c, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederic Leroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am currently using epdf and it work well too The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: - djvu - pdf - cbz (xipped archive of images) Nice ! and some others. Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. I'm not sure, but I dont think so. Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes up too much space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly impossible to use. The qpe file manager is also a pain, so it becomes even more difficult to have a roundabout solution. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
On 3 Oct 2008, at 07:52, Nishit Dave wrote: Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? Because you haven't redesigned them written the code. There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes up too much space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly impossible to use. hold your tongue or come up with a solution Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederic Leroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am currently using epdf and it work well too The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: - djvu - pdf - cbz (xipped archive of images) Nice ! and some others. Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. I'm not sure, but I dont think so. Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes up too much space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly impossible to use. The qpe file manager is also a pain, so it becomes even more difficult to have a roundabout solution. In this particular case I think Evince does an ok job. For me its a benefit that the same app is usable on debian/freerunner and on my desktop. I think the challenge is somehow making skins for existing apps that make them behave better on small screens. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Because you haven't redesigned them written the code. No, you do it, I pay for the product, you earn, and then show what a class act you are: hold your tongue or come up with a solution Stroller. See? Nobody invited your advise here. You don't even see the context. You and your kind are what is wrong with the open source community, as innumerable opinions have emphasized over the years. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
| No, you do it, I pay for the product, you earn, and then show what a class act you are: Dear Nishit, I have to correct you: the correct relation is: I pay for the product, you earn, I use your product, you make it nice to me, I pay for the new version, you close the platform, I pay to access the framework, you open a store to sell the application, I pay for the application, you install a root kit that can remove the applications you don't want... Guess which phone there is in you mint? Nishit, I think you are in good intentions: Not all people know how it run in a open development. It don't run, I pay for a program that must to run perfect. It is a more complex process, that has some very good points and some weak points. Is not the solutions of all the needs. With the price of the phone you payed the hardware, personally I think a very good hardware. If you want to confront the Open Source Community with a propretary software firm, you are in a wrong direction. I hope I helped to clear it. Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
Frederic Leroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am currently using epdf and it work well too The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: - djvu - pdf - cbz (xipped archive of images) Nice ! and some others. Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. I'm not sure, but I dont think so. -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
I am currently using epdf and it work well too ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
2008/9/25 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Evince works and you can read ebooks very well on the Freerunner high-res display. Debian on the Freerunner amazes me everyday! would anyone know where i would find the settings file for evince? i'd like to do some config - making the scroll bars smaller and so on - so it's more usable on the eno ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am currently using epdf and it work well too The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: - djvu - pdf - cbz (xipped archive of images) and some others. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am currently using epdf and it work well too The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: - djvu - pdf - cbz (xipped archive of images) Nice ! and some others. Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. -- Frederic Leroy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
