Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2010-09-28 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
On Fri Mar 9 13:46:19 CET 2007, Al Johnson wrote: Here's a civil device using RTK that determines the position to centimeter accuracy within a few seconds at ranges up to 50 km from a reference station Sounds like an interesting challenge. At least rtklib 2.4.0 was unable to resolve the

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free internet connection contribute to a global ionospheric model. Then any Neo can connect to this model, download 200

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/3/9, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I asked my colleagues who are GPS devices specialists and they said that this is all wrong. Did they talked about AGPS (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS)? cayco ___

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2
Krzysztof Kajkowski napisał(a): 2007/3/9, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I asked my colleagues who are GPS devices specialists and they said that this is all wrong. Did they talked about AGPS (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS)? They did about technology

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Al Johnson napisał(a): On Friday 09 March 2007 08:58, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: You cannot depend on GPS reading to count quite accurate velocity, acceleration and accurate position. Sorry. Conventionally this is true, but there are other ways. IIRC RaceLogic use the

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 09 March 2007 09:58, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: To get *any* GPS reading device must see 3 satellites but you cannot be Actually, for a single location fix, you need four. With 3 sources you can still have 2 spots on the surface of the Earth that can match up (some GPS

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Ian Stirling napisał(a): Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free internet connection contribute to a global

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Ian Stirling
Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Ian Stirling napisał(a): Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 09 March 2007 11:43, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Ian Stirling napisał(a): Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I work for company that develops devices for car and person tracking. We do the stuff as written above to correct GPS readings. A car that is parked in front of our office equipped in GPS receiver collects data about it position. Even if

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Philip Ray Schaffner
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:46 +, Al Johnson wrote: ... So *military* devices does it. But not civil. This is for *civil* devices. http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/dgps.asp http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/rtk.asp

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-09 Thread Ian Stirling
Philip Ray Schaffner wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:46 +, Al Johnson wrote: ... So *military* devices does it. But not civil. This is for *civil* devices. http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/dgps.asp http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/rtk.asp

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Nils Faerber
Ian Stirling schrieb: Nils Faerber wrote: Hi! I am interested in doing a little research on the AGPS part. As far as I understood the used Hammerhead chip will dump out the more or less raw GPS data into userland which will then need to be post-processed in order to get the usual NMEA or

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Ian Stirling
Nils Faerber wrote: Ian Stirling schrieb: Nils Faerber wrote: Hi! I am interested in doing a little research on the AGPS part. As far as I understood the used Hammerhead chip will dump out the more or less raw GPS data into userland which will then need to be post-processed in order to get the

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Lars Hallberg
Nils Faerber skrev: Exactly. Also relative positioning can be made much more precise using the raw data (AFAIK in the range of cm not m). Wow! If this is true, speed and direction can be fairly accurate calculated even at low speed. This makes orienting a map with the moving direction

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:19:40 + From: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] The gpsd will output assorted parameters, including current position, ... You can take this - or even output from a nearby (1m) GPS, and the bitstream input and output to the GPS chip, and try to work out

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
Still confused on the term nearby GPS Marty Ian Stirling wrote: Martin Lefkowitz wrote: Message: 10 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:19:40 + From: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] The gpsd will output assorted parameters, including current position, ... You can take this - or even output from

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Ian Stirling
Martin Lefkowitz wrote: Still confused on the term nearby GPS A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite signals sent to

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Thursday 08 March 2007 20:18:50 Ian Stirling wrote: A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite signals sent to the neo.

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Ian Stirling
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 20:18:50 Ian Stirling wrote: A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
OK, now I was the perpetrator of imprecise language. How do the two neo's communicate with each other -- the one that can see the GPS signal and the one that can't? Marty Ian Stirling wrote: Martin Lefkowitz wrote: Still confused on the term nearby GPS A completely separate GPS unit,

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

2007-03-08 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Martin Lefkowitz writes: OK, now I was the perpetrator of imprecise language. How do the two neo's communicate with each other -- the one that can see the GPS signal and the one that can't? Not two NEOs -- one NEO and one GPS receiver that's used to get known data. Try to correlate the