Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Ian Stirling

Max Giesbert wrote:

sounds like an excellent idea to me. would definitely be a killer
application to use the phone in a peer-to-peer style without using the
telco network.
UI-wise this could be realized in organizing the addressbook more like a
IM client where you can see if your buddies are in BT-/WiFi-Range,
Online (via any network connection (GPRS/UMTS/BT/WiFi)) or offline
(callable/SMSable). In any situation you could choose to send text/chat
or call your buddy. And the phone chooses the best (cost/battery
life/reception) way to contact the buddy.

what do you think?


This is briefly mentioned in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/My_Account

I will write up a page on this referring to the other relevant pages on 
the wiki - Server:PhoneDirectory - or something.


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Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 28 July 2007 15:59:52 Giles Jones wrote:
 An easy way to install new software would be to be able to email it
 to your phone and use the phone's wifi to download the email. Of
 course security would have to be present to stop it installing
 anything received in an email.

I would much rather have a package manager (think apt) than something like 
that. And OpenEmbedded already provides that, from what I understand.


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Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Thomas Szukala

Giles Jones wrote:


On 28 Jul 2007, at 14:23, Max Giesbert wrote:


sounds like an excellent idea to me. would definitely be a killer
application to use the phone in a peer-to-peer style without using the
telco network.
UI-wise this could be realized in organizing the addressbook more like a
IM client where you can see if your buddies are in BT-/WiFi-Range,
Online (via any network connection (GPRS/UMTS/BT/WiFi)) or offline
(callable/SMSable). In any situation you could choose to send text/chat
or call your buddy. And the phone chooses the best (cost/battery
life/reception) way to contact the buddy.

what do you think?

max


How about friends list? so you can basically add people to your 
friends list via email.


The Nintendo Wii has a serial number built in and you can send a 
friend request to another Wii or to any other email address. When 
sending a message for the first time it asks for permission to be 
added (one way to stop spam).


You can then email pictures to your Wii.

An easy way to install new software would be to be able to email it to 
your phone and use the phone's wifi to download the email. Of course 
security would have to be present to stop it installing anything 
received in an email.





Hi,

correct me if I am wrong, but shouldnt Jabber/XMPP do this out of the 
box with (formerly Apples) Bonjour 
(http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html)?


You should simply have your IM Client active and see automatically every 
friend who is on your list as available (or what message he has 
selected). Exchanging data like pictures, binary or simply text is 
therefore already implemented?


For seeing people how you dont know, you could join a Chatroom called 
Local for everyone available in short range technoligy like 
Wifi/BT/Infrared and Global for GPRS/Wifi(Internet). Who is subscribed 
to your personal Global Chatroom should be identified first... probably 
some kind of social group which has met before in person... 

Managing your calls over Jabber should also be possible through a IM 
Gateway which communitcates to your phonebook. Click on a friend and 
open a jingle connection directly (wifi/bt) to your friend or first to 
the gsm module which then dials out over normal voice


Regards,

Thomas

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Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Knight Walker
On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 15:36 +0100, Giles Jones wrote:
 ipkg is based on dpkg, it's more lightweight.

It's also a bit more than just a dpkg clone, since it includes
repositories and such.

 Don't get me wrong, we need package management, it's just that I've  
 owned Windows Mobile phones and there's been no easy way to install  
 software when using Linux. Getting a reliable sync solution that  
 works on Windows, Mac OS and Linux is quite a big piece of work and  
 while this is in development it is handy to have an alternative.

ipkg-install (package) isn't easy enough, or a GUI front-end to the
same?

As for sync, since this IS a totally Open project, I'm sure there will
be different alternatives, maybe even one for Linux, one for Mac, and
one for Windows.  It may also be that there are packages required on the
PC side to complete the sync (Some kind of plugin for ActiveSync and
iSync that talks SyncML, or a new profile for iSync for the Moko maybe).

 I'm also wondering how we are going to achieve installing  
 applications on the SD card, have a lib directory and bin directory  
 on there and add these to the paths?

If they base it on ipkg, the way other OpenEmbedded platforms work, when
you insert the card, the OS will check for and add any applications that
are installed on the SD to the program manager.  It's a little more
involved than just adding a lib/bin directory to the respective path,
but it worked well before my Zaurus died.

-KW


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Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Mickael Faivre-Macon
On 7/28/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One BIG problem; wouldn't this type of routing require you to
 periodically broadcast your ID number.  This would be great, if it
 wasn't you phone number, but it does create the potential for people
 to snoop for phone numbers

We would need a incoming call firewall / blacklist :)

Imagine this app with a broadcast of your location. Your friends could
locate you, you could locate them (if they have this kind of service
too).

It's incredible how much stimulating this phone is :)

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