Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-18 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:40, Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:35:27 +0100
 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PV) wrote:

I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the
ext3 partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.



 the image is gone from the url now. i guess some rework is being done.


yes, see 
http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/f7bb35d5b79850da/a68a12ba578fe676
:

Packet Video was suppressed in this image, due to codec license issue.
But the rootfs was not functional anymore. It is being reworked.

I had downloaded this rootfs and had to add libs ins /system/lib/ from
previous rootfs : libmedia_jni.so was the one missing preventing it to
start.
I do not know if others missing also would have prevented it to start
since I copied them all back (10 files libopencore*.so, and
modules/wlan.ko)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-17 Thread abatrour

A new rootfs has been released. 
http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-17 Thread Tomas Riveros Schober
anyone knows where is the changelog for this new image?
i couldn't find it anywhere.

abatrour escribió:
 A new rootfs has been released. 
 http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
   

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-17 Thread Rui Castro
Hi,

I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the ext3
partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Tomas Riveros Schober
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 anyone knows where is the changelog for this new image?
 i couldn't find it anywhere.

 abatrour escribió:
  A new rootfs has been released.
  http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
 

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-17 Thread Petr Vanek
I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the
ext3 partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.


the same for me. the partition get's mounted and some data written on it
but the screen stays black... i get ping responses.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-17 Thread Petr Vanek
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:35:27 +0100
Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PV) wrote:

I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the
ext3 partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.


the same for me. the partition get's mounted and some data written on
it but the screen stays black... i get ping responses.

the image is gone from the url now. i guess some rework is being done.

Petr


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-10 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Martin Vyšný wrote:
 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
 
 http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

For those that don't read the kernel ML, there are new kernel/rootfs
images in the Sean's space.
They fix the glamo page-flip issue (only?) [1], [2]:
 - http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/


[1] http://n2.nabble.com/status-and-plans-tp1479560p1479560.html
[2]
http://n2.nabble.com/-PATCH--Add-page-flipping-support-to-glamo-tp1479826p1479826.html

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-05 Thread Pander
On Wed, November 5, 2008 08:17, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
 abatrour wrote:
 OMG it works!
 I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
 I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
 after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.

 i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5

 As I tried-

 * Must have a SD card inside the FR during Android boot, or it will just
 keep black (with backlight on).

 * The SD card format also required 2 partitions (first primary partition
 vfat/ext3 seems both work, second primary using ext3).

 My current Android setting is using the default 512 MB SD card comes
 with FreeRunner, 8MB for vfat, rest is using ext3.

Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope with
this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?

Can it Android be more flexible regarding this and print messages when one
of the (implicit) requirements is not being met?

 Tony Tu

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-05 Thread Alastair Johnson
Pander wrote:
 On Wed, November 5, 2008 08:17, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
 abatrour wrote:
 OMG it works!
 I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
 I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
 after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.

 i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5
 As I tried-

 * Must have a SD card inside the FR during Android boot, or it will just
 keep black (with backlight on).

 * The SD card format also required 2 partitions (first primary partition
 vfat/ext3 seems both work, second primary using ext3).

 My current Android setting is using the default 512 MB SD card comes
 with FreeRunner, 8MB for vfat, rest is using ext3.
 
 Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope with
 this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?

The /init.rc in the android image calls:
mount ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /data nosuid nodev
So you will need ext3 on that partition, or you will need to edit that 
line in init.rc.

The advice to use ext2 is based on deep seated but outdated fears about 
the limited write life of flash devices. I say this having used ext3 for 
rootfs on CF cards for several years with no ill effects.

 Can it Android be more flexible regarding this and print messages when one
 of the (implicit) requirements is not being met?
 
 Tony Tu

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[android] Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-05 Thread Petr Vanek
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:35:59 +
Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(AJ) wrote:

 Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope
 with this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?

The /init.rc in the android image calls:
   mount ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /data nosuid nodev
So you will need ext3 on that partition, or you will need to edit that 
line in init.rc.

The advice to use ext2 is based on deep seated but outdated fears
about the limited write life of flash devices. I say this having used
ext3 for rootfs on CF cards for several years with no ill effects.


how do you change/see this, can you ssh into android (i can only ping
it) or did you mount and alter the image before uploading?


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-05 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 10:35 +, Alastair Johnson wrote:
 Pander wrote:
  On Wed, November 5, 2008 08:17, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
...
  
  Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope with
  this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?
 
 The /init.rc in the android image calls:
   mount ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /data nosuid nodev
 So you will need ext3 on that partition, or you will need to edit that 
 line in init.rc.
 
 The advice to use ext2 is based on deep seated but outdated fears about 
 the limited write life of flash devices. I say this having used ext3 for 
 rootfs on CF cards for several years with no ill effects.
 
...
and in my experience, ext2 is even more fragile than vfat (had both on
the same card) and collects errors.  Just moved them to ext3 an hour ago
to see if that improves matters (sandisk 8G)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Denis Galvão
Are you running on Freerunner?

Ate least the kernel is up.

NMAP give me:

SCRIPT ENGINE: Initiating script scanning.
Host openmoko (192.168.0.202) appears to be up ... good.
Interesting ports on openmoko (192.168.0.202):
Not shown: 999 closed ports
PORT STATE SERVICE  VERSION
/tcp open  freeciv?
MAC Address: 62:29:80:2A:1F:94 (Unknown)
Device type: general purpose
Running: Linux 2.6.X
OS details: Linux 2.6.13 - 2.6.20
Uptime guess: 0.015 days (since Tue Nov  4 11:10:43 2008)
Network Distance: 1 hop
TCP Sequence Prediction: Difficulty=201 (Good luck!)
IP ID Sequence Generation: All zeros



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On 04/11/2008, at 11:23, Cédric Berger wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:16, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.


 It worked for me !
 I can reach main menu, launch apps...

 note that here I started without SIM card... will try with it...

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Eildert Groeneveld
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Cédric Berger wrote:
 my u-boot is about 3 weeks old as I can remember...
ok, that may be the (a) difference

Eildert

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:59, Hire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you get a black screen when FR boots?
 How much time gets fr to boot?


I get a black screen, but not for long. Then there is a booting screen
with android and two robots...

I have no numbers, but looks like total boot time is not longer than
with other distros.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Thomas Bertani
 I have no numbers, but looks like total boot time is not longer than
 with other distros.


on my FR it boots in 70 seconds ca.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Denis Galvão
Could you send us your u-boot version?

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On 04/11/2008, at 12:00, Cédric Berger wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:55, Eildert Groeneveld
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 black screen, with and without SIM card.
 Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?

 This is a FR, first batch.


 Just flashed downloaded kernel to NAND (dfu-util -a kernel -R -D
 uImage-android),
 then rootfs (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D androidfs.jffs2)

 my u-boot is about 3 weeks old as I can remember...

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
 Could you send us your u-boot version?
 its todays download from the daily build:

  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K


Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

(And I am updating to latest now)

Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black screen.

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RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

2008-11-04 Thread Matthias Apitz

Hello,

Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
this Google stuff?

Just my RFC

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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

2008-11-04 Thread Denis Galvão
What Android is for you? A closed software?

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 Hello,

 Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
 mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
 this Google stuff?

 Just my RFC

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Pander
Could someone list all the relevant URLs here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images

Thanks

On Tue, November 4, 2008 14:58, Thomas Bertani wrote:
 I got it working too. Black screen but if you wait 2 minutes it runs

 2008/11/4 Eildert Groeneveld [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 black screen, with and without SIM card.
 Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?

 This is a FR, first batch.



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Benedikt Bär
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
  Could you send us your u-boot version?
  its todays download from the daily build:
 
   gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
 
 
 Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
 

Hey Cédric,

Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
(please :P)

Cheers,
Benedikt

 (And I am updating to latest now)
 
 Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread David Samblas
El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
  Could you send us your u-boot version?
  its todays download from the daily build:
 
   gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
 
 
 Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
 
 (And I am updating to latest now)
 
 Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black 
 screen.
 
Still no luck here :(
from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46

from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13

tested with all uSD and sim combination possible

please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you need 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
 Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
 Hey Cédric,

 Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
 (please :P)


mmm... not sure were it can be...

But I now have flashed latest from
http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
(it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.

... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I had just
selected select network automatically for GSM, searching was
running...).
And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
Just like if there was not enough battery...
I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
probably 100mA max).
Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 

(and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
after android booting screen)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Valerio Valerio
2008/11/4 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
  Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
  Hey Cédric,
 
  Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
  (please :P)
 

 mmm... not sure were it can be...

 But I now have flashed latest from
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
 (it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
 It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.

 ... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I had just
 selected select network automatically for GSM, searching was
 running...).
 And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
 quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
 Just like if there was not enough battery...
 I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
 probably 100mA max).
 Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 

 (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
 after android booting screen)


The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC successfully
boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all only can do that
with the usd card inserted.

One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
/dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
/dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

Thanks to KaZeR.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Benedikt Bär
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:19 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
  Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
  Hey Cédric,
 
  Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
  (please :P)
 
 
 mmm... not sure were it can be...
 
 But I now have flashed latest from
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
 (it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
 It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.

Hmm, I flashed exact the same uboot file, and I get Nov 4 in the u-boot
screen. Maybe you have flashed it to either NAND or NOR and you were
booting from the other...

In that case, you could use dfu-util to download this uboot version :)

Cheers,
Benedikt 

 
 ... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I had just
 selected select network automatically for GSM, searching was
 running...).
 And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
 quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
 Just like if there was not enough battery...
 I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
 probably 100mA max).
 Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 
 
 (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
 after android booting screen)


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Vyšný
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 14:50 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:39, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are you running on Freerunner?
 
 
 yes. One from the first production batchs.
 just flashed it via dfu-util (from windows).
 
 I have a 8gb SD card inserted (and detected by android)
 
 It looks not so bad ! I could phone my voicemail (sound level too low though).
 But I cannot set up USB networking (here I am under windows and it
 detects ethernet gadget but cannot install driver), though it worked
 with other distros.
 
 So I cannot try now any online stuff...
 
 I tried detecting wifi network (anyway I have only encrypted network
 at reach for now), but it looks like it cannot dectect any : Unable
 to scan for networks.
 

Hi Cédric,
Can you please check if there is a way to install an APK application to
Android running on FR? Is there some kind of an Installer? It seems that
the phone is completely offline (no wifi, no usb connection)... can the
Installer install APK located on a SD card? Can you use adb?
Sorry to spam you with so much questions :)
Sincerely,
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread KaZeR

David Samblas a écrit :

El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
  

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
  

Could you send us your u-boot version?


its todays download from the daily build:

 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K

  

Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

(And I am updating to latest now)

Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black screen.



Still no luck here :(
from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46

from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13


tested with all uSD and sim combination possible

please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you need 
a place.

  



Works (boot) here :
uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48

Flashed like any other distro,
With a 4Gb usd card :
/dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
/dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

I booted with SD (worked) then without SD (failed) then with SD and a 
new SIM (works).
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Benedikt Bär
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:28 +, Valerio Valerio wrote:
 
 
 2008/11/4 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
 
  Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
  Hey Cédric,
 
  Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to
 us?
  (please :P)
 
 
 
 mmm... not sure were it can be...
 
 But I now have flashed latest from
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
 (it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
 It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.
 
 ... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I
 had just
 selected select network automatically for GSM, searching was
 running...).
 And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts
 down
 quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting
 screen).
 Just like if there was not enough battery...
 I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not
 recognized, so
 probably 100mA max).
 Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about
 50% 
 
 (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut
 down soon
 after android booting screen)
  
 The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC
 successfully boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all
 only can do that with the usd card inserted.
 
 One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
 /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
 /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

Hmm... I do have a 2GB uSD card inserted, which should have about the
same layout, only with different sizes...

Cheers,
Benedikt

 
 Thanks to KaZeR.
 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:28, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC successfully
 boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all only can do that
 with the usd card inserted.

 One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
 /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
 /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

 Thanks to KaZeR.


Yes if I try without SD card, I stay with a black screen (but not shut
off, backlight is on).
And with SD card, I can boot (but, now, just to get the immediate
shutting down)

My SD card is 8Gb : 4gb FAT with data and some uImage.bin, 1gb ext3,
512 ext3... and others ext3 partitions (can't remember :-p )

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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

2008-11-04 Thread Marcel
At least it's not as open as it could be.
(Of course this is Google's software and their decision, but I don't think  
Android is as open as in free software.)

Another suggestion: treat Android like every other distro - prefix threads 
with [android] and we can filter ourselves.

-Marcel

Am Tuesday 04 November 2008 15:54:08 schrieb Denis Galvão:
 What Android is for you? A closed software?

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 On 04/11/2008, at 12:50, Matthias Apitz wrote:
  Hello,
 
  Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
  mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
  this Google stuff?
 
  Just my RFC
 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#

 http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Quasar

It works fine on my FR too, although I faced a problem that might have to do
with why it's not working sometimes: when I first started Android, it
detected that my battery was empty (I'm pretty sure it's not) and
immediately shut down, I tried connecting it to the charger and starting it
again, and it worked.

A couple of things to note though:
1. As mentioned previously, the call volume is too low.
2. Even with the FR charging, it continued to detect the battery level at
0%, so once I disconnected the charger, the FR shut down immediately.
3. I'm not sure if Android has a suspend capability, but looking through the
settings didn't yield anything, so any feedback regarding this matter would
be highly appreciated.

This is a first release, and problems with (or lack of) features of less
importance such as Wifi, and GPS, are naturally expected. But so far, I
think I like the platform as a whole :-)

Thank you Sean, great work...
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Eildert Groeneveld
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
 Could you send us your u-boot version?
its todays download from the daily build:

 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K  

what about the lowlevel?
gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin 04-Nov-2008 01:46  308   
Eildert

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Alastair Johnson
KaZeR wrote:
 David Samblas a écrit :
 El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
   
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
   
 Could you send us your u-boot version?
 
 its todays download from the daily build:

  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K

   
 Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

 (And I am updating to latest now)

 Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black 
 screen.

 
 Still no luck here :(
 from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
 dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46

 from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
 androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
 uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13

 tested with all uSD and sim combination possible

 please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you 
 need a place.

   
 
 
 Works (boot) here :
 uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48
 
 Flashed like any other distro,
 With a 4Gb usd card :
  /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
  /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux
 
 I booted with SD (worked) then without SD (failed) then with SD and a 
 new SIM (works).

You will need an ext3 partition on mmcblk0p2 which will get a load of 
stuff written to it. I just had to clean the bits it wrote out of my FSO 
rootfs that was on that partition :-( I've changed it to mmcblk0p3 in 
/init.rc on mine now.

If it won't boot any more at some point it seems to be because of 
something stored in this partition. Wipe out that data and it should 
boot again.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Marcel
Hello android folks :)
Could you please prefix your mails with [android] to enable others to filter 
android related mails?

Thank you,
Marcel

Am Tuesday 04 November 2008 17:03:05 schrieb Quasar:
 It works fine on my FR too, although I faced a problem that might have to
 do with why it's not working sometimes: when I first started Android, it
 detected that my battery was empty (I'm pretty sure it's not) and
 immediately shut down, I tried connecting it to the charger and starting it
 again, and it worked.

 A couple of things to note though:
 1. As mentioned previously, the call volume is too low.
 2. Even with the FR charging, it continued to detect the battery level at
 0%, so once I disconnected the charger, the FR shut down immediately.
 3. I'm not sure if Android has a suspend capability, but looking through
 the settings didn't yield anything, so any feedback regarding this matter
 would be highly appreciated.

 This is a first release, and problems with (or lack of) features of less
 importance such as Wifi, and GPS, are naturally expected. But so far, I
 think I like the platform as a whole :-)

 Thank you Sean, great work...



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:16, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.


It worked for me !
I can reach main menu, launch apps...

note that here I started without SIM card... will try with it...

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Re: Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Matthew Lane
I've flashed the android rootfs and uImage and I'm unable to get a 
boot.  I'm using the daily build u-boot and I've tried with 8GB uSD 
ultra ii and regular.  Both result in a blank screen after the white flash.


KaZeR wrote:

David Samblas a écrit :

El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
  

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
  

Could you send us your u-boot version?


its todays download from the daily build:

 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K

  

Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

(And I am updating to latest now)

Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black screen.



Still no luck here :(
from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46

from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13


tested with all uSD and sim combination possible

please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you need 
a place.

  



Works (boot) here :
uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48

Flashed like any other distro,
With a 4Gb usd card :
 /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
 /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

I booted with SD (worked) then without SD (failed) then with SD and a 
new SIM (works).
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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

2008-11-04 Thread Marcel
Am Tuesday 04 November 2008 17:17:28 schrieb Jim Ancona:
 Marcel wrote:
  At least it's not as open as it could be.
  (Of course this is Google's software and their decision, but I don't
  think Android is as open as in free software.)

 By what definition of free software does Android not qualify?

Arr, I should have thought a minute more about what I was writing. I mean 
Google's backdoors to ban unwanted software without asking the user about it 
and such. Dunno about GPLv3, but this does not interfere with the freedom of 
the software... btw, one could remove that feature. :X
So in the end it's my definition of free software that it does not comply 
with. :)

  Another suggestion: treat Android like every other distro - prefix
  threads with [android] and we can filter ourselves.

 Agree.

In action.

-Marcel

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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

2008-11-04 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/11/4 Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello,

 Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
 mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
 this Google stuff?

Just my personal view...  I disagree.  I'm not much interested in the
Android option, but I'd still prefer if the emails about it were on
this list, so I can keep half an eye on them as they flow by.

Regards,
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Thomas Bertani
I got it working too. Black screen but if you wait 2 minutes it runs

2008/11/4 Eildert Groeneveld [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 black screen, with and without SIM card.
 Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?

 This is a FR, first batch.



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Denis Galvão
Flashing...
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On 04/11/2008, at 10:33, Cédric Berger wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#

 http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Denis Galvão
Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.

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On 04/11/2008, at 10:57, David Samblas wrote:

 El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 04:46 -0800, Hire escribió:


 Cédric Berger wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#

 http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3



 Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
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 On a FR doesn't work, I see only a black screen.

 After more than 6 mins I can confirm that only a black screen  
 appears :(

 I know google was minimalistic but this is al little bit  
 exagerated :),
 just kidding :)



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread David Samblas
El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 04:46 -0800, Hire escribió:
 
 
 Cédric Berger wrote:
  
  On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
  http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
 
  http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
 
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
 
  
  
  Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
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 On a FR doesn't work, I see only a black screen.

After more than 6 mins I can confirm that only a black screen appears :(

I know google was minimalistic but this is al little bit exagerated :),
just kidding :)



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:39, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you running on Freerunner?


yes. One from the first production batchs.
just flashed it via dfu-util (from windows).

I have a 8gb SD card inserted (and detected by android)

It looks not so bad ! I could phone my voicemail (sound level too low though).
But I cannot set up USB networking (here I am under windows and it
detects ethernet gadget but cannot install driver), though it worked
with other distros.

So I cannot try now any online stuff...

I tried detecting wifi network (anyway I have only encrypted network
at reach for now), but it looks like it cannot dectect any : Unable
to scan for networks.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:55, Eildert Groeneveld
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 black screen, with and without SIM card.
 Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?

 This is a FR, first batch.


Just flashed downloaded kernel to NAND (dfu-util -a kernel -R -D
uImage-android),
 then rootfs (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D androidfs.jffs2)

my u-boot is about 3 weeks old as I can remember...

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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

2008-11-04 Thread Warren Baird
+1 for prefixing with [android] --- treat it like any other distro...

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 2008/11/4 Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Hello,
 
  Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
  mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
  this Google stuff?

 Just my personal view...  I disagree.  I'm not much interested in the
 Android option, but I'd still prefer if the emails about it were on
 this list, so I can keep half an eye on them as they flow by.

 Regards,
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread David Samblas
El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 13:33 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
  http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
 
  http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
 
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
 
 
 
 Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

NAND on fire! I'm already flashing right now :)
 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Thomas Pérennou
Hello list,
Mine u-boot is also the latest
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
and I have got black screen to...

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2008/11/4 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
  Could you send us your u-boot version?
  its todays download from the daily build:
 
   gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
 

 Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

 (And I am updating to latest now)

 Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black
 screen.

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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

2008-11-04 Thread Jim Ancona
Marcel wrote:
 At least it's not as open as it could be.
 (Of course this is Google's software and their decision, but I don't think  
 Android is as open as in free software.)

By what definition of free software does Android not qualify?

 Another suggestion: treat Android like every other distro - prefix threads 
 with [android] and we can filter ourselves.

Agree.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Hire



Cédric Berger wrote:
 
 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#

 http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

 
 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Hire



Cédric Berger wrote:
 
 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:16, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.

 
 It worked for me !
 I can reach main menu, launch apps...
 
 note that here I started without SIM card... will try with it...
 
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Do you get a black screen when FR boots?
How much time gets fr to boot?
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Nishit Dave
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
 
  http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
 
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
 


 Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

 Seeing as the rootfs image is only 32 MB, what are its current features?
What works and has been tested?  Some screenshots would be nice.
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Eildert Groeneveld
black screen, with and without SIM card.
Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?

This is a FR, first batch.



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:19, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
 quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
 Just like if there was not enough battery...
 I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
 probably 100mA max).
 Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 

 (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
 after android booting screen)


Maybe Android believe there not enough battery ?
I got it charged to 62%, then booted again it got to android were
it immediatly showed a popup shutting down.. and shut down.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Valerio Valerio
2008/11/4 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:28, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC successfully
  boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all only can do
 that
  with the usd card inserted.
 
  One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
  /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
  /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux
 
  Thanks to KaZeR.


 Yes if I try without SD card, I stay with a black screen (but not shut
 off, backlight is on).
 And with SD card, I can boot (but, now, just to get the immediate
 shutting down)

 My SD card is 8Gb : 4gb FAT with data and some uImage.bin, 1gb ext3,
 512 ext3... and others ext3 partitions (can't remember :-p )


It seems that the secret is a SD card with a ext3 partition :)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread abatrour

OMG it works!
I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.

i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-04 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
abatrour wrote:
 OMG it works!
 I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
 I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
 after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.
 
 i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5

As I tried-

* Must have a SD card inside the FR during Android boot, or it will just
keep black (with backlight on).

* The SD card format also required 2 partitions (first primary partition
vfat/ext3 seems both work, second primary using ext3).

My current Android setting is using the default 512 MB SD card comes
with FreeRunner, 8MB for vfat, rest is using ext3.

Tony Tu

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-02 Thread Thomas Bertani
 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)

where are the image's download link?

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-02 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:58:58 +0100
Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:55 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
  Peter Neubauer wrote:
   Thanks for the fast reply,
   will keep an eye on that!
  
  Some more links:
  
  Ben Leslie's blog:
  http://benno.id.au/blog/
  
  Google's android-porting mailing list: 
  http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
  
  Jim
  
 
 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
 
 http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
 
 vyzivus
 

Is the koolu version any different or not? I'm looking at the screens
on http://koolu.com/ and it seems cool ...

Franky

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-02 Thread Martin Vyšný
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:42 +0100, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:58:58 +0100
 Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:55 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
   Peter Neubauer wrote:
Thanks for the fast reply,
will keep an eye on that!
   
   Some more links:
   
   Ben Leslie's blog:
   http://benno.id.au/blog/
   
   Google's android-porting mailing list: 
   http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
   
   Jim
   
  
  Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
  http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
  
  http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
  
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
  
  vyzivus
  
 
 Is the koolu version any different or not? I'm looking at the screens
 on http://koolu.com/ and it seems cool ...
 
 Franky
 

I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. I'm waiting for somebody to build
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-02 Thread David Samblas

El dom, 02-11-2008 a las 17:42 +0100, Franky Van Liedekerke escribió:
 On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:58:58 +0100
 Martin Vyšný [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:55 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
   Peter Neubauer wrote:
Thanks for the fast reply,
will keep an eye on that!
   
   Some more links:
   
   Ben Leslie's blog:
   http://benno.id.au/blog/
   
   Google's android-porting mailing list: 
   http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
   
   Jim
   
  
  Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
  http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
  
  http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
  
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
  
  vyzivus
  
 
 Is the koolu version any different or not? I'm looking at the screens
 on http://koolu.com/ and it seems cool ...
 
 Franky

Waiting for that image to be published too :)
 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-02 Thread Stefan Monnier

IIUC it doesn't use X11.  But can it run in one virtual console while
X11 runs in another?


Stefan


PS: Waiting for it to appear in Debian.


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-02 Thread Leonti Bielski
What about the input method?
Does it have a virtual keyboard of some kind?
Leonti

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-11-02 Thread David Samblas

not yet
El lun, 03-11-2008 a las 08:35 +0100, Leonti Bielski escribió:
 What about the input method?
 Does it have a virtual keyboard of some kind?
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-28 Thread Peter Neubauer
Hi there,
is there any progress on the porting of Android to the FR yet? Are
updates posted to this list, since it seems pretty quite around the
port?

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-28 Thread nick d.
Sign up to Koolu's forum [1] and see what's going on there. Cfriedt also has
a spreadsheet of progress that seems to have been updated frequently [2].
Last time I check there were a few to go but now, not so much. See also [3].

Nick

1. http://forum.koolu.org/
2. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pzDEXnU19gkeTjpD28t-7fw
3. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android


See also:

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-28 Thread Nishit Dave
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM, KaZeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Joerg Lippmann a écrit :

 Am Mittwoch 22 Oktober 2008 schrieb Lorn Potter:


  Jim Morris wrote:


  Lorn Potter wrote:


  Jim Morris wrote:


  Cédric Berger wrote:


  Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
 always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.


  Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable
 than the previous version.


  We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it
 couldn't be helped.


  Wouldn't it be great to release an intermediate version soon, in which the
 most severe UI-bugs are fixed (like the finger-scrolling/selection-Bug or the
 way-to-sensitive-keyboard where it's almost impossible to
 switch to special characters)? I'm quite sure it's just a matter of settings
 as it worked in the former version.


  or the bouncing calypso and the echo fix.. It would be really nice.

  See Lorn J.Potter's mail in support.  Qtextended 4.4.2 may be out
tomorrow and he will try to release Neo images along with it.
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2008-10-28 Thread Peter Neubauer
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 Last time I check there were a few to go but now, not so much. See also [3].

 Nick

 1. http://forum.koolu.org/
 2. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pzDEXnU19gkeTjpD28t-7fw
 3. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android


 See also:

 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-28 Thread Jim Ancona
Peter Neubauer wrote:
 Thanks for the fast reply,
 will keep an eye on that!

Some more links:

Ben Leslie's blog:
http://benno.id.au/blog/

Google's android-porting mailing list: 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-27 Thread Joerg Lippmann
Am Mittwoch 22 Oktober 2008 schrieb Lorn Potter:
 Jim Morris wrote:
  Lorn Potter wrote:
  Jim Morris wrote:
  Cédric Berger wrote:
 
  Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
  always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
 
  Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable
  than the previous version.

 We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it
 couldn't be helped.

Wouldn't it be great to release an intermediate version soon, in which the 
most severe UI-bugs are fixed (like the finger-scrolling/selection-Bug or the 
way-to-sensitive-keyboard where it's almost impossible to 
switch to special characters)? I'm quite sure it's just a matter of settings 
as it worked in the former version.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-25 Thread Kishore
On Wednesday 22 Oct 2008 10:16:55 pm Andy Selby wrote:
  Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still
  the better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone
  (motoming A1200) and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

 4.3 is usable as a daily phone for me (YMMV),rock solid suspend and
 resume, no dialer issues.
 4.4.1 is a bit unstable for daily use.

I have been on with 4.3 for almost a day now. The moment i try to make a call 
it crashes. I am able to receive calls fine. I did have to change the 
gsmhandset.state file to prevent the echo.

4.4.1 never really crashed but has bugs like my inability to save a number to 
the contacts list from the call logs. Is that part of the contacts 
application? The contacts application is much more usable too with the 
alphabets on the right. 4.4 also has the inertial scrolling improvement which 
makes it really easy to browse contacts but its buggy with the touchscreen 
that registers far too many accidental clicks while scrolling.

I am now tending towards 4.4 i really hope there is an update soon that fixes 
the obvious bugs. Anything expected soon?
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-25 Thread Jay Vaughan
 At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I  
 have shelved until such a thing
 exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in  
 stability. I am very happy to see
 Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off  
 the dust and help port it!




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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-24 Thread Vasco Névoa

Citando Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the
 better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone  
 (motoming A1200)
 and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

I've been using ASU (OM2008.9) since the beginning as my daily and  
only phone for months now, without great problems.
It stinks for SMS texting, and it is a PITA to find a contact on the  
list (both of these are bad designs of Qtopia), but otherwise it does  
the job well.
The only big problem is a denial-of-service that happens because os  
resume problems... sometimes I get an SMS or some other event that  
wakes up the phone, and if I don't touch the screen, it stays awake  
until the battery dies. This is why sometimes I wake up to a dead  
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-23 Thread Nishit Dave
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Wednesday 22 Oct 2008 4:38:31 am Lorn Potter wrote:
  Jim Morris wrote:
   Lorn Potter wrote:
   Jim Morris wrote:
   Cédric Berger wrote:
  
   Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
   always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than
 expected.
  
   Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less
 stable
   than the previous version.
 
  We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But
 it
  couldn't be helped.

 Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still
 the
 better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming
 A1200)
 and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-23 Thread Paul Jimenez
Nishit Dave wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still
 the
 better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming
 A1200)
 and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

 

 Join the club.
   

FWIW, I've been running 4.3 as my only cellphone for several weeks now. 
I've got the bug #1024 re-registration problem, which is annoying, but I
can still make and receive calls.  I've only gotten into a really funky
state once or twice - due, I think, to switching between booting 4.3 and
other distros (FSO).  It's been pretty stable since I ran out of time to
mess with it :)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 23:21, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Was on IRC and someone said they had already ported the kernel, and was 
 working on a forum, just
 FYI. We should all coordinate so there are not 10 different porting efforts :)


Also see thread on kernel list where Sean McNeil has already worked
one it : http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Lech Karol Pawłaszek
Cédric Berger wrote:
 Here we are
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
 
 time to port to Neo !

;-) patches are on their way according to this:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005966.html

Hooray to the FLOSS.

Kind regards,

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Minh Ha Duong
According to   http://koolu.com/

Koolu Beta port of Android for Freerunner will be available to download  for 
existing Freerunner owners and installed on phones for sale in November 2008. 

And they have been working at it for months.
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote:
 people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost 
 impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good 
 keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than 
 satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things 
 have a long way to go.

After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese
dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus,
just the finger...

Rui

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote:
   
 people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost 
 impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good 
 keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than 
 satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things 
 have a long way to go.
 

 After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese
 dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus,
 just the finger...

 Rui

   
I understand the predictive keyboard and have it mastered with a stylus 
but it is still insane, sadly when it comes to SMS I'd say that IMO the 
iPhone wins, I'd be happier wit a number pad like the dialer that just 
did T9 input frankly. Also to find a contact since the scrolling never 
works with the use of a finger I have to whip out my stylus to scroll 
down to who I want to call, if I don't have their # memorized. I love my 
FreeRunner don't get me wrong but those two things drive me up a wall so 
quickly that on occasion if I know it's going to be a day filled with 
lots of SMSing I have been known to grab my old Samsung T409 cause I can 
text so much faster on it, but that's rare cause I much prefer using my OM.

-Shawn

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Stroller

On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:52, Jim Morris wrote:

 Cédric Berger wrote:
 Here we are
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html

 time to port to Neo !


 At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I  
 have shelved until such a thing
 exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in  
 stability. I am very happy to see
 Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off  
 the dust and help port it!

It's always charming to encounter an optimist.

Stroller.


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Kishore
On Wednesday 22 Oct 2008 4:38:31 am Lorn Potter wrote:
 Jim Morris wrote:
  Lorn Potter wrote:
  Jim Morris wrote:
  Cédric Berger wrote:
 
  Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
  always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
 
  Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable
  than the previous version.

 We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it
 couldn't be helped.

Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the 
better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming A1200) 
and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

  which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of
  QtEtended as it seemed to hang all the time as well as other issues which
  I'm sure you are aware of. (Scrolling through lists usually thinks you
  are selecting something you don't want etc).
 
  I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the
  meantime playing with Android seems like a good use of my time ;)
 
  I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest.
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Cheers!
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Hire

http://forum.koolu.org/

Register to get a patchset and a kernel pacthed for FR
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View this message in context: 
http://n2.nabble.com/Android-open-sourced-tp1359949p1364565.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Paul
Hire wrote:
 http://forum.koolu.org/

 Register to get a patchset and a kernel pacthed for FR
   

Downloading the stuff now. Although I am still trying to find out what 
to do with the patch-set  ;-)

So pointers are appreciated!
Paul

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Andy Selby
 Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the
 better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming A1200)
 and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

4.3 is usable as a daily phone for me (YMMV),rock solid suspend and
resume, no dialer issues.
4.4.1 is a bit unstable for daily use.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Nicola Mfb
2008/10/22 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
  No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the
 same bugs, however I think
  the apps will be more stable.


Exactly! this is a tipical  scenario showing why openmoko inc. should spend
the big part of it's resources on the kernel.
All the above, 2008.x, fso, qtopia, and now android will depend on it.

   Nicola
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-22 Thread Previdi Roberto
my 2 cents: if the porting of android will need the intervention of the low
level developers this shouldn't be done. the kernel coders need all the time
they need to understand and optimize the low level code. if meanwhile there
are other developers who feel they can handle the port it could be just
another option, and would be wrong not to try it..

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2008/10/22 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
  No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially
 the same bugs, however I think
  the apps will be more stable.


 Exactly! this is a tipical  scenario showing why openmoko inc. should spend
 the big part of it's resources on the kernel.
 All the above, 2008.x, fso, qtopia, and now android will depend on it.

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Paul
Cédric Berger wrote:
 Here we are
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html

 time to port to Neo !
   

Now that would be cool...

Paul

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Sam Kuper
2008/10/21 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 time to port to Neo !


I'm going to be watching this with interest!
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jan Prinsloo
WHO :)

Let the games begin!


On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Sam Kuper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2008/10/21 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 time to port to Neo !


 I'm going to be watching this with interest!

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Didier Raboud
Cédric Berger wrote:

 Here we are

http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
 
 time to port to Neo !

Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software
(you can do whatever you want)...

http://code.google.com/android/terms.html tells : 

 3.1 Subject to the terms of this License Agreement, Google grants you a
 limited, worldwide, royalty-free, non- assignable and non-exclusive
 license to use the SDK solely to develop applications to run on the
 Android platform.   
  
 3.2 (...)
 
 3.3 Except to the extent required by applicable third party licenses, you
 may not copy (except for backup purposes), modify, adapt, redistribute,
 decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or create derivative works of
 the SDK or any part of the SDK.   

and others, and others and others... restrictions...

And for the code itself...

http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project

You have to grant your copyright to Google...

I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;)

Regards, 

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread rakshat hooja
Quoting a mail we received sometime ago from Koolu

Koolu presently supplies other distributors globally for Openmoko
Freerunners. Due to this volume we can provide lower prices and value add.
In November 2008 we start shipping Freerunner with Android pre installed and
supported as an option

Rakshat
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 17:48, Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cédric Berger wrote:

 Here we are

 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html

 time to port to Neo !

 Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software
 (you can do whatever you want)...

 http://code.google.com/android/terms.html tells :

 3.1 Subject to the terms of this License Agreement, Google grants you a
 limited, worldwide, royalty-free, non- assignable and non-exclusive
 license to use the SDK solely to develop applications to run on the
 Android platform.

 3.2 (...)

 3.3 Except to the extent required by applicable third party licenses, you
 may not copy (except for backup purposes), modify, adapt, redistribute,
 decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or create derivative works of
 the SDK or any part of the SDK.

 and others, and others and others... restrictions...

 And for the code itself...

 http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project

 You have to grant your copyright to Google...

 I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;)



I have not read all yet but

Android Open Source Project license

The preferred license for the Android Open Source Project is Apache
2.0. Apache 2.0 is a commercial and open source friendly open source
license. The majority of the Android platform is licensed under the
Apache 2.0 license. While the project will strive to adhere to the
preferred license, there may be exceptions which will be handled on a
case-by-case basis. For example, the Linux kernel patches are under
the GPLv2 license with system exceptions, which can be found on
kernel.org .


So I guess it is open enough for you to modify it as you want.
Probably it is if you want not to fork it that you must adhere to some
google specific terms...

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread flamma

 Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software
 (you can do whatever you want)...

I don't know why when some people read open-source they understand open
to read but not open to modify. Android is released under Apache
License version 2, which is considered free software by the FSF, and even
compatible with GPLv3 [1].

 And for the code itself...

 http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project

 You have to grant your copyright to Google...

 I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;)

I think that is for contributors, that is, if you want your changes to be
merged into Google's Android, you must grant your copyright to Google.
This clause let Google do relicensing, and it is not uncommon on other
free software projects, such as the GNU project.

[1] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jim Ancona
Didier Raboud wrote:
 
 Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software
 (you can do whatever you want)...

It appears to be Open Source in the sense that it uses OSI-approved 
licenses, Apache 2.0 for most code, GPL for kernel patches. Note that 
both of those licenses are also considered to be free software 
licenses by FSF (see 
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses). Do you 
have some other definition of free software in mind?

 http://code.google.com/android/terms.html tells : 
 
quote from SDK license agreement snipped
 
 and others, and others and others... restrictions...

Note that those are the terms for the SDK download, not for download or 
use of the source.

 And for the code itself...
 
 http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project
 
 You have to grant your copyright to Google...

That's only if you want to contribute code back to the project. In that 
case you have to assign your copyright. Many free/open source projects 
require a similar grant, including Apache and Gnu/FSF (see 
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html).

 I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;)

That of course is your choice. But you are free to work on Android 
without assigning copyright to Google. Just fork a new Didier-Android 
project--the licenses let you do that.

To me, the key issue is whether Google has in fact open-sourced 
everything needed to make a working Android distribution for a 
non-supported platform. I'm not qualified to judge, but I'll be waiting 
to hear from the experts. The good news is that so far, Google appears 
to be keeping their promise to open-source Android.

Jim

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Daniel Benoy
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote:
 Here we are
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
 
 time to port to Neo !
 
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I'm interested to see if it will be possible to hack it so X11 software works 
under android, and vice versa so that android software can be run under 
X11/illume.  ^.^

Or if I can't have that or it'd be too slow or something.. I'd like to be able 
to toggle between virtual consoles to go between one and the other or something 
like that.

And I wonder how much openmoko and debian software and other distros will start 
seeping into the android designed handsets.

I sense a golden age on the horizon :)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Tarandeep Gill
What my belief is that the Linux license means that anyone who obtains
a copy of the Linux Kernel in binary form, irrespective of how they
obtained that copy, has a right to the source code used to build that
exact Linux kernel binary. Derivative works of the Linux kernel also
fall into this category. This right can not be restricted or withheld
in any way.

That is the reason why Google HAD to release the source code with the
release of G1. :)

If they were thinking about the open source community, they would have
released it a lot earlier :)

 - Taran

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote:
 Here we are
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html

 time to port to Neo !

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 I'm interested to see if it will be possible to hack it so X11 software works 
 under android, and vice versa so that android software can be run under 
 X11/illume.  ^.^

 Or if I can't have that or it'd be too slow or something.. I'd like to be 
 able to toggle between virtual consoles to go between one and the other or 
 something like that.

 And I wonder how much openmoko and debian software and other distros will 
 start seeping into the android designed handsets.

 I sense a golden age on the horizon :)

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 http://daniel.benoy.name
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jim Ancona
Tarandeep Gill wrote:
 What my belief is that the Linux license means that anyone who obtains
 a copy of the Linux Kernel in binary form, irrespective of how they
 obtained that copy, has a right to the source code used to build that
 exact Linux kernel binary. Derivative works of the Linux kernel also
 fall into this category. This right can not be restricted or withheld
 in any way.
 
 That is the reason why Google HAD to release the source code with the
 release of G1. :)
 
 If they were thinking about the open source community, they would have
 released it a lot earlier :)

They've had a public kernel git repository with their changes since at 
least last November:

http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20071108.075502.4ff93ee7.html

Jim


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jim Morris
Cédric Berger wrote:
 Here we are
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
 
 time to port to Neo !
 

At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have 
shelved until such a thing 
exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am 
very happy to see 
Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and 
help port it!



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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Fredrik Wendt
tis 2008-10-21 klockan 17:48 +0200 skrev Didier Raboud:
 Cédric Berger wrote:
 You have to grant your copyright to Google...

This is because of yow copyright works, it's the same with GNU so _that_
part really shouldn't hurt if Google had chosen a FOSS style license ...

/ Fredrik


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