Re: Battery life case design
These kind of devices produce that voltage in direct sunlight - but only if there is no load connected (open circuit voltage) - the connection to the device will pull the voltage down to circ. 5V. This is the same as with the larger panels - a 12V panel will produce 20V open circuit. solar.george On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:34:05 +0200 Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be powered by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: Battery life case design
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 00:04 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán wrote: El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? Personally, I'll be using a Solio Hybrid Charger (http://www.solio.com/charger/) with a Mini-USB tip and a max output of [EMAIL PROTECTED], so it should be able to put out the 500mA the Neo wants for fast charge (I know it can output 500mA because that's what the Blackberry 8830 wants and I have successfully charged one). Even the Hybrid 1000 can output 1.2A but I'm not sure it has enough capacity to fully charge a FreeRunner). -KW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life case design
Am Di 1. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while some company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02 thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02. Looking at it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack. Don't forget there is WiFi and BT antenna on the backside, which you mustn't cover by a big battery. GPS at top of device is no problem though, I think, as long as it has it's 5mm clearance to next metal (the ceramic zone). cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Mi 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Francesco Cat: FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. Nope, FR sets MAXIMUM USB current to either 0.1, 0.5, or 1A depending on what's detected to be connected. This doesn't mean it won't work with 600mA. Either you set FR to 500mA and lose ~100mA of power source, or you figure out what's going to happen when we push the limit to 1A and power source goes down with voltage at ~600mA until FR doesn't pull any more than that, might work too. At least see wallcharger that CAN deliver 2A, but happily feeds FR with just 1A. So yes, it will be powered by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. You can set arbitrary USB current limits by software, overriding the built-in detection. So a current limit of 250mA or 630mA is perfectly feasible I think. See spec of PCF50633 PMU. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... YEP! You'll need a LDO-regulator for 5V. 6.5V will burn the device and give you a very expensive yet exclusive doorstopper. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, I'm totally thrilled with all the goodies crammed into the gta02, and I'm even more thrilled with the ideas people are having to use these goodies. Whats less thrilling is the battery life. Switch on all those goodies and you have a phone that will be dead in about 5 hours. Its king of like owning a porche that has a fuel tank the size of a coke can :-) I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while some company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02 thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02. Looking at it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack. Has this been discussed at all? anyone have any opinions on this? Yes I know there is still some work to be done on the openmoko APM functions. However when these functions work all they are about is turning stuff off to extend battery life. Given the openmoko demographic, I'd say having a phone thats a few more millimetres thicker to accomodate a large battery (as in function over design) is an attractive option... there has to be plenty of takers out there to make it worth someone's while to tool up and produce the alternative cover and battery pack. Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). an the second problem is, the batty we use now is a standard-battery, u can buy an battery like this at ebay for 10 bucks, but a custom battery sounds very expensive. i think the key for longer life isn't a bigger battery, but a better energy saving. regards, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while some company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02 well, there are probably a few ideas now floating around regarding slight modifications to the case (i for one would like a slot for a stylus, preferably one widely used). maybe it would be a good idea to create a wiki page similar to groupsales and check how many people are interested in which modification (never got the hang of the wiki thing, sorry). then somebody able could modify the cad file and we could look for a company offering a good price for group sales of the same part. re the battery: which battery available would fit into the slot (pins and so)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life case design
Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, care to elaborate? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life case design
FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be powered by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Battery life case design
Well conceptually there are these options. 1. Humped backed whale. A battery that fits our slot mechanically but is thicker. Custom battery and custom back panel. 2. Tethers. Tether power into USB from external source. Tether power into the battery slot via crazy rube goldberg device. So, conceptually those are the options. -Original Message- From: Diego Fdez. Durán [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:04 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Battery life case design El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
