Re: Battery time?
I think that has been one of the top unanswered questions on many peoples minds. I don't think we've gotten a solid answer yet, but I'm sure it will come in time. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the Openmoko wiki I have found some info about the battery life for the GTA01 but almost nothing about GTA02 (Freerunner). At least someone must have tested how long the battery last before a recharge is needed? And how long will you be able to talk before the battery runs out, anyone who knows from experience? /tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time?
Tim Shannon wrote: I think that has been one of the top unanswered questions on many peoples minds. I don't think we've gotten a solid answer yet, but I'm sure it will come in time. Exactly... We've asked this also few days ago [1], but we didn't get any answer. I really hope that this is not due to problems (i.e.: the battery life doesn't last as expected), but only to missing tests (i.e.: no one had enough time to test correctly the battery life both in standby and durning call/gps/wifi). [1] http://tinyurl.com/6kmzak -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time?
I think the problem is that there just isn't enough GTA02's around to do extensive testing. Battery life can be a complex thing to chart, especially on a device with as much power using functionality as the GTA02 (wifi, GSM modem, bluetooth, etc). I personally would like to see the following totals: Total Talk Time Total Standby Time Total Wifi Time On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Shannon wrote: I think that has been one of the top unanswered questions on many peoples minds. I don't think we've gotten a solid answer yet, but I'm sure it will come in time. Exactly... We've asked this also few days ago [1], but we didn't get any answer. I really hope that this is not due to problems (i.e.: the battery life doesn't last as expected), but only to missing tests (i.e.: no one had enough time to test correctly the battery life both in standby and durning call/gps/wifi). [1] http://tinyurl.com/6kmzak -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Battery time?
I've yet to see battery tests for a device reported that actually match the typical use, or at least typical for me. This is the kind of thing the wiki is better suited to. Maybe a battery life page with tables for avg talk time etc? Even an app which profiles battery and charging. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:34 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery time? Tim Shannon wrote: I think that has been one of the top unanswered questions on many peoples minds. I don't think we've gotten a solid answer yet, but I'm sure it will come in time. Exactly... We've asked this also few days ago [1], but we didn't get any answer. I really hope that this is not due to problems (i.e.: the battery life doesn't last as expected), but only to missing tests (i.e.: no one had enough time to test correctly the battery life both in standby and durning call/gps/wifi). [1] http://tinyurl.com/6kmzak -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time
Yeah, PLEASE give us a terminal! I'm a complete noob at all things Linux but I already don't feel right if I don't have a terminal to mess with... Later when the Neo is a consumer ready device it might be a good idea to take the terminal out of the versions for the general public (or at least hide it well). At this point, though, everybody using the Neo with Qtopia should be interested in a terminal or at least not confused by it. ;) Ortwin On Nov 11, 2007 3:12 PM, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * No terminal. Ugh. Do you really need a terminal app on a phone? Most phones do not have a term on them. besides, it is opensource, so anyone could get one working. Any takers? I guess most/all here are geeks. I have to admit that the first thing I want to know before buying a new smart phone is can I use a terminal/ssh on it. pocket putty was a blessing. But I hope much better things will come from this project. Maybe I will try to carve out some time in December... I'm guessing anyone into Linux is going to want this though :) -Pete ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time
* No terminal. Ugh. Do you really need a terminal app on a phone? Most phones do not have a term on them. besides, it is opensource, so anyone could get one working. Any takers? I guess most/all here are geeks. I have to admit that the first thing I want to know before buying a new smart phone is can I use a terminal/ssh on it. pocket putty was a blessing. But I hope much better things will come from this project. Maybe I will try to carve out some time in December... I'm guessing anyone into Linux is going to want this though :) -Pete ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time
Hi John! That was a very long, detailed and good answer. Exactly what I needed. The fact that the battery time is over 7 hours rather than 3 (like most laptops) gives me faith that it will be quite enough for me. Big thanks! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time
John Locke wrote: Hello, I was running Qtopia for 5 or 6 weeks, and under that, I was getting about 5 hours of time tops, whether I used the phone or not. The battery indicator has 5 bars, and after a good 4 hours, there would still be 3 bars left (60%, or so you might think). But by that point, the power dropped very quickly and the phone would just shut off. I managed to flash OpenMoko on the Neo last weekend, even with my broken Aux button (had to take off the faceplate and carefully hold the contact in place, but managed to do it...). I just now got in after having it unplugged for 7 hours, and the battery still shows mostly full. I had set the power management to Dim Only, and with that alone OpenMoko seems to be doing much better than Qtopia. I also notice that the phone is not so hot--Qtopia seems to have it running full power almost all the time. Other notes: Qtopia (Image from around October 7) You might try the flash images available from Trolltech. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ I just posted the 4.3.0 release image. * Phone seems to stop working after a few days, and needs to be rebooted. There's no indication when this has happened--you just can't make or receive calls anymore. Haven't seen this one, but I admit, I am always flashing my neo. Will try to look into it though. * Rebooting didn't actually work--I nearly always had to remove the battery to reboot. Try a more recent image. * There was a delay in audio switching, both on outgoing and incoming calls. I never heard the first few words people answered with--I had to start talking when I heard the audio switch, without knowing whether I had actually reached the right person. You never heard a remote line ring--the audio would switch after the call was answered, whether by a person or voicemail. The later was fixed in later version. * SMS is beautiful, when the message arrives when the phone was on. * There's no voicemail indicator--but I received empty text messages when there was a new voicemail, and again after clearing the message. Will look into this. * Phone numbers on the SIM card showed up in the address book. * You can't redial a number or pick a number out of the call history to dial (I think it assumes you have a hard button for that). will look at this one, and submit a bug report. * Dialing a number in the address book works fine, though the button to do it is hard to press with a finger (most other things in Qtopia worked easily without the pen) * You get an echo sound at first, but can use alsamixer to turn down the sidetone and then the phone sounds perfectly normal. * No mediaplayer, feed reader, or all the other cool stuff that's in OpenMoko. * Keyboard auto-completes far too easily (and wrong most of the time) but the zoom keys are actually usable with fingers. * No terminal. Ugh. Do you really need a terminal app on a phone? Most phones do not have a term on them. besides, it is opensource, so anyone could get one working. Any takers? * GPRS doesn't work. Didn't get my bluetooth headset working, either. This is because multiplexing doesn't work either. In Qtopia, GPRS works through the multiplex classes. We don't see a reason to shut off the voice channel to use it as a data channel, or somesuch as the comm guy told me. Thanks for this, it is always useful to get more feedback. Anyone else willing to give feedback it is welcomed. You can even send me an email off list. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time
Hello, I was running Qtopia for 5 or 6 weeks, and under that, I was getting about 5 hours of time tops, whether I used the phone or not. The battery indicator has 5 bars, and after a good 4 hours, there would still be 3 bars left (60%, or so you might think). But by that point, the power dropped very quickly and the phone would just shut off. I managed to flash OpenMoko on the Neo last weekend, even with my broken Aux button (had to take off the faceplate and carefully hold the contact in place, but managed to do it...). I just now got in after having it unplugged for 7 hours, and the battery still shows mostly full. I had set the power management to Dim Only, and with that alone OpenMoko seems to be doing much better than Qtopia. I also notice that the phone is not so hot--Qtopia seems to have it running full power almost all the time. Other notes: Qtopia (Image from around October 7) * Phone seems to stop working after a few days, and needs to be rebooted. There's no indication when this has happened--you just can't make or receive calls anymore. * Rebooting didn't actually work--I nearly always had to remove the battery to reboot. * There was a delay in audio switching, both on outgoing and incoming calls. I never heard the first few words people answered with--I had to start talking when I heard the audio switch, without knowing whether I had actually reached the right person. You never heard a remote line ring--the audio would switch after the call was answered, whether by a person or voicemail. * SMS is beautiful, when the message arrives when the phone was on. * There's no voicemail indicator--but I received empty text messages when there was a new voicemail, and again after clearing the message. * Phone numbers on the SIM card showed up in the address book. * You can't redial a number or pick a number out of the call history to dial (I think it assumes you have a hard button for that). * Dialing a number in the address book works fine, though the button to do it is hard to press with a finger (most other things in Qtopia worked easily without the pen) * You get an echo sound at first, but can use alsamixer to turn down the sidetone and then the phone sounds perfectly normal. * No mediaplayer, feed reader, or all the other cool stuff that's in OpenMoko. * Keyboard auto-completes far too easily (and wrong most of the time) but the zoom keys are actually usable with fingers. * No terminal. Ugh. * GPRS doesn't work. Didn't get my bluetooth headset working, either. * Ring profiles work great--easy to switch between vibrate only and audible ring. OpenMoko (Scaredycat image from November 1) * I get frequent messages indicating that it's just associated with the GSM network. * No audible ring, vibrate only. * Panel crashes about once a day, necessitating a reboot. * Rebooting works (if the Today application hasn't crashed). * OS still seems less stable, everything still seems to crash more than Qtopia. * Audio switches immediately, much more normal for making and receiving calls--you hear the phone ring at the other end. * No SMS, or voicemail indicator. * Much easier to dial, hang-up, do other basic calling tasks. * Dialing from history works. * Dialing from address book mostly works, but not if there's punctuation in the phone number (I copied my Evolution addressbook over, and most of the entries don't work unless I strip out dashes/parentheses) * Haven't tried GPRS or Bluetooth yet. * Sound quality has a bad echo--haven't found the appropriate sidetone control in Alsamixer yet. * Mediaplayer has come a long way! If I could get it to seek within a track, it would be all I need. * Keyboard is very difficult to use with fingers alone. In general, you need the pen more with OpenMoko. All in all? I'd have to say I like using OpenMoko better, it acts more like a normal phone, the battery life seems more reasonable (though I haven't run it long enough to tell you more about battery life). But I'm still having the sidetone issues, no ringer, and it still seems to crash a little too much. And the lack of SMS is a bit of a problem, since I get pages from my servers (though it's nice and quiet without it!) And a recent update hosed most of the menu, so I can't get to the feedreader or terminal at the moment... Cheers, John Oliver Uvman wrote: Hi! So for the longest time, I've been worrying about the battery life of the Neo. Before I buy the GTA02, it is something I'd love to know. The wiki has entries talking about which power management things are implemented and which aren't, and I assume this will increase over time. On the iPhone page, the Battery row of the table says 8h talk on iPhone and replaceable 1.7 Ah battery charged via USB on the Neo - not very extensive info. So, since many of you seem to have Neos now, and since the dialer app is (supposedly) working now, how's the phone for real-world usage? How long between charges for *you*? What do *you* do
