Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger
 buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus?  The current
 matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small.

probably here:
matchbox-keyboard-ui.c
resp in
openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/files/smallscreen-fontsize.patch

atm the font sizes and so onseem all to be hardcoded.

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-19 Thread Matthew Lane
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote:
 Do you want to redesign the matchbox keyboard or use a different one?
 Feel free to modify any of the keypads on the projects page.  I can
 actually help with gtKeypad and have a patch in the works that will
 allow changing of key size with a config file.

 On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 20:32 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote:
   
 arne anka wrote:
 
 http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15

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 I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger 
 buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus?  The current 
 matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small.

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I honestly don't care if I redesign it or just get a new one.  I like 
the matchbox keyboard because it has all of the keys that I'll need for 
terminal use, but the drawback is they all have to fit!

I saw a screenshot of a bigger keyboard with circular buttons used on 
the Neo1973, which keyboard is that?

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-19 Thread Ken Restivo
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:00PM -0400, Matthew Lane wrote:
 Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote:
  Do you want to redesign the matchbox keyboard or use a different one?
  Feel free to modify any of the keypads on the projects page.  I can
  actually help with gtKeypad and have a patch in the works that will
  allow changing of key size with a config file.
 
  On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 20:32 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote:

  arne anka wrote:
  
  http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15
 


  I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger 
  buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus?  The current 
  matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small.
 
 I honestly don't care if I redesign it or just get a new one.  I like 
 the matchbox keyboard because it has all of the keys that I'll need for 
 terminal use, but the drawback is they all have to fit!
 
 I saw a screenshot of a bigger keyboard with circular buttons used on 
 the Neo1973, which keyboard is that?
 

I've just been informed that the keyboard in the ASU image does in fact have 
all the keys needed to use a terminal, and also they're able to be used without 
a stylus. The .kbd files are editable text files and can be completely 
customized. After playing around with it a bit, I'll probably abandon matchbox 
entirely.

-ken

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Lane
arne anka wrote:
 http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15

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I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger 
buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus?  The current 
matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small.

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-17 Thread julien cubizolles
Le samedi 12 juillet 2008 à 18:16 +0200, Thomas Seiler a écrit :
 On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?
 
  I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
  old eyes to use.
 
 A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard:
 
 - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye
 - popup to see what is currently pressed.

Very nice, I can't get the popup either. Will wait for a fix.


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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-16 Thread Jim Morris
Thomas Seiler wrote:
 Hi Jim,
 
 thanks for testing!
 
 Indeed, I dont seem to wait for the popup window to be mapped before
 drawing onto it.
 This is a bug (tm) of type race condition. (The Freerunner has a
 faster CPU, and the bug gets visible :-)
 Bug is identified, will post a fix later today...
 
 If you want to fine tune the color scheme, that can be changed quite
 easily without recompiling the keyboard.
 The XML keyboard definition files contain a block similar to this:
 
 theme font=#ff6600
   border=#44
   key=#00
   keyup=#33
   keydown=#22
   background=#11/
 

Where is this file? Can I edit it in place and just restart X?

I think a higher contrast color scheme may be better for my eyes.

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-14 Thread Jim Morris
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 
 In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile.
 However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this 
 version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still 
 incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up 
 window).
 I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my 
 FR is coming... :P
 

I got it to work under Ubuntu although it causes all my open windows to get 
squished.

What are you using to build it? the toolchain or mokomakefile? Because when I 
try to build it using 
the toolchain there are a bunch of missing x libraries, which are not in the 
toolchain.

Thanks
Jim

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Jim Morris wrote:
 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile.
 However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this 
 version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still 
 incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up 
 window).
 I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my 
 FR is coming... :P

 
 I got it to work under Ubuntu although it causes all my open windows to get 
 squished.
 
 What are you using to build it? the toolchain or mokomakefile? Because when I 
 try to build it using 
 the toolchain there are a bunch of missing x libraries, which are not in the 
 toolchain.

Well, none of these... I've just built it in my standard ubuntu 
configuration (well, I've many *-dev packages installed here...).

I've to try it with toolchain...

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-13 Thread Thomas Seiler
Hi Jim,

thanks for testing!

Indeed, I dont seem to wait for the popup window to be mapped before
drawing onto it.
This is a bug (tm) of type race condition. (The Freerunner has a
faster CPU, and the bug gets visible :-)
Bug is identified, will post a fix later today...

If you want to fine tune the color scheme, that can be changed quite
easily without recompiling the keyboard.
The XML keyboard definition files contain a block similar to this:

theme font=#ff6600
border=#44
key=#00
keyup=#33
keydown=#22
background=#11/

the numbers are HEX encoded RGB triplets, as is used commonly on the
web to encode colors.
With a color picker tool and a text editor you can change the colors
to match your preference.

If you have other ideas on how to improve the usability of the
keyboard on Freerunner, please let me know. : )

Cheers,
Thomas

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-13 Thread Jim Morris
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, there is:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards
 
 FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently
 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards
 at the same time.
 Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard
 perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like.
 That would be nice.

Here http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2004/11/text_input_meth.html is an 
interesting article 
on alternative input methods, towards the end are some S/W based on screen 
keyboard alternatives.

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 Jim Morris wrote:
 Is this one available anywhere?

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method

 It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys.
 
 I'd like to as this too... Where is that keyboard?
 Is there any old code to be used (maybe after an update)?

Well... I got it! :)
SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it 
taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki 
section:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard

Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in 
my linux pc and it works well!

Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-13 Thread Jim Morris
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:

 
 Well... I got it! :)
 SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it 
 taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki 
 section:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard
 
 Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in 
 my linux pc and it works well!
 
 Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P
 

I'll give it a shot...

However I get this error doing om-conf

checking for FAKEKEY... no
configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN  ***

I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the tool 
chain though as I'm 
new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around.

Thanks for the pointers to the svn.

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Jim Morris ha scritto:
 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 
 Well... I got it! :)
 SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it 
 taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki 
 section:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard

 Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in 
 my linux pc and it works well!

 Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P

 
 I'll give it a shot...
 
 However I get this error doing om-conf
 
 checking for FAKEKEY... no
 configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN  ***
 
 I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the 
 tool chain though as I'm 
 new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around.

In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile.
However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this 
version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still 
incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up 
window).
I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my 
FR is coming... :P

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-12 Thread Thomas Seiler
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?

 I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
 old eyes to use.

A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard:

- a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye
- popup to see what is currently pressed.

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350
http://www.seili.net/openmoko

Cheers,
Thomas


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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-12 Thread Jim Morris
Thomas Seiler wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?

 I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
 old eyes to use.
 
 A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard:
 
 - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye
 - popup to see what is currently pressed.
 
 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350
 http://www.seili.net/openmoko

Thanks, it looks good, I'll try it.

Thank you for sharing.

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-12 Thread Jim Morris
Jim Morris wrote:
 Thomas Seiler wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?

 I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
 old eyes to use.
 A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard:

 - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye
 - popup to see what is currently pressed.

 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350
 http://www.seili.net/openmoko
 
 Thanks, it looks good, I'll try it.
 
 Thank you for sharing.
 

The color scheme is definitely better, but still hard to see for me, however 
the popup did not seem 
to work, do I have the right version? I installed *-r11 from your site.

Thanks
Jim

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-11 Thread Jim Morris
Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?

I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old 
eyes to use.

Is this one available anywhere?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method

It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys.

For now I'm back with the multi-tap, but it is pretty bad.

Thanks
Jim

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, there is:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards
 
 FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently
 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards
 at the same time.
 Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard
 perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like.
 That would be nice.


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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-11 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Jim Morris ha scritto:
 Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner?

Look at openmoko projects... There are also other kinds of keyboards 
developed by users. I've not tested them in real hardware but they seems 
promising...

 I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my 
 old eyes to use.
 
 Is this one available anywhere?
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method
 
 It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys.

I'd like to as this too... Where is that keyboard?
Is there any old code to be used (maybe after an update)?

Thanks...

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-09 Thread Konstantin
Hi!

Arne Zachlod wrote:
 Hi there!
 
 is it possible to get an better keyboard than this handy- keyboard at 
 the moment in the GTK-release? does anyone knows this? i think there is 
 somethink like an keyboard- canger, but i cant find any information 
 about that.

Actually, there is:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards

Works fine for me, have been using the other keyboard for some time now, and it
works like a charm. Even Ctrl-C is possible, which helps a great deal on the
terminal :)

 thanks, Arne

HTH,
Konstantin

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-09 Thread arne anka
http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-09 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, there is:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards

FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently
1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards
at the same time.
Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard
perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like.
That would be nice.
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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