Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)

2009-07-01 Thread steven mosher
Werner has the ability to embed the debug board on board On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jianming.Liu liuj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have posted the symbols and schematic of the debug board v3 in the list of GTA02-Core, and I think that could be a part of the GTA02-Core, or we could start

Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-30 Thread Jianming.Liu
Hi, I have posted the symbols and schematic of the debug board v3 in the list of GTA02-Core, and I think that could be a part of the GTA02-Core, or we could start a new debug board project? Thank you. Werner Almesberger wrote: [ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than

Re: Freerunner's Future - sony ericsson evilness

2009-06-24 Thread Tim Abell
my favourite sony ericsson bug is the one where it waits till your memory stick (blergh) is almost totally full (with precious memories etc), and then wraps round and overwrites the FAT, followed by a this card is not formatted message. I'd link to the bug report but, erm, well, there is no

Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-20 Thread Ed Kapitein
And to reflect the openness of the FR it would be nice to have a (semi) transparent (see trough) case. Kind regards, Ed David Ford wrote: to whomever does this, please put a small stylus into a recess in the new case :) On 06/18/09 20:18, Werner Almesberger wrote: [ Let's give threads that

Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-19 Thread David Ford
to whomever does this, please put a small stylus into a recess in the new case :) On 06/18/09 20:18, Werner Almesberger wrote: [ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just Freerunner's Future ] Fabian Sch?lzel wrote: I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I

New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)

2009-06-18 Thread Werner Almesberger
[ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just Freerunner's Future ] Fabian Sch?lzel wrote: I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related to the project. Great ! I think redoing

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-16 Thread Fabian Schölzel
Werner Almesberger wrote: But I think a case-making project that follows the same approach as gta02-core, namely reconstructing and prototyping the existing design with Free tools (and making some small changes) could be rather useful for establishing the know-how that can later be used for

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-16 Thread Steve Mosher
Tully have some very good ideas on how to change the 02 case and get rid of some annoyances-- bring the screen flush with the surface, reduce the parts count. And I had a camera solution that looked promising. Write me if you decide to go down this path and I'll explain our ideas Fabian

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-16 Thread jeremy jozwik
flush screen would be a winner for me On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Tully have some very good ideas on how to change the 02 case and get rid of some annoyances-- bring the screen flush with the surface, reduce the parts count. And I had a camera

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-16 Thread Eldon Koyle
On Jun 11 20:20-0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: snip Even in the hardware area, there's more than just low-risk implementation projects. E.g., there should also be activities that take on the risky bits and bring them under control. Such pioneer efforts can then be integrated into the next

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-12 Thread Adolph J. Vogel
Also, we haven't touched the whole area of case design and manufacturing yet. As a new freerunner owner :) and as a mechanical engineering masters student, I think this might be an ideal place for me to contribute to the freerunners future. :) There's a number of Free CAD tools that should

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-12 Thread Werner Almesberger
Adolph J. Vogel wrote: As a new freerunner owner :) and as a mechanical engineering masters student, I think this might be an ideal place for me to contribute to the freerunners future. :) Yeah ! You may even be able to make this count as a semester or final project, or similar. I have done

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-12 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Am Freitag, 12. Juni 2009 schrieb Werner Almesberger: The most promising one seems to be HeeksCAD. It has fairly comprehensive CAM integration and can do parametric modeling via Python scripts. Salome also looks quite powerful and is perhaps more mature but appears to lack CAM integration.

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-12 Thread Adolph J. Vogel
BTW, looking at http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/ and http://www.salome-platform.org/home/presentation/geom/ both are based on the same solid modeller: Open CASCADE (http://www.opencascade.org, http://opencascade.com/) From that point of view, it's the same technology behind both. Yep, if

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-11 Thread Werner Almesberger
Jeremy McNaughton wrote: 1. That the open source hardware development processes pioneered by gta02-core get formalized as part of the structure of the new organization There's always room for improvements, so I wouldn't nail down too many details. But the overall goals, i.e., the use of Open

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-10 Thread Steve Mosher
Many thanks to you Christoph, I always make a habit of returning to decisions I have played a role in to review my thinking and uncover the mistakes I may have made so that I can make new ones the next time around. ( hat tip to Werner) I like very much your idea of a multi purpose platform.

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 10 June 2009 09:59:00 Christoph Pulster wrote: it started with Sean's Vision. Free the Phone. Thanks for the very interesting inside views about your decisions, I really appreciate your way of explaining how things worked out. I have to revise my opinion about your marketing

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-10 Thread Werner Almesberger
Jeremy McNaughton wrote: Scope: What will our mission statement be? Is the foundation just to support the gta02-core project, Just a quick remark: please don't concentrate too much on gta02-core when planning organizational structures for the future. The focus of gta02-core is not on making

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-10 Thread Steve Mosher
I would offer this. The vision that Werner has, shared by a good number of us ( hat tip to Dr Schaller) is to create a process whereby the design effort can be shared collaboratively. As I look at the EE design process it is currently controlled at several points by closed proprietary systems.

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-10 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote: Jeremy McNaughton wrote: Scope:   What will our mission statement be?  Is the foundation just to support the gta02-core project, Just a quick remark: please don't concentrate too much on gta02-core when planning

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Harald Welte-3 wrote: Thanks for your update, Sean! It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks). I'm

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Jeremy I really appreciate your email. Your words cheered us all up at the office. -Sean Jeremy McNaughton wrote: Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make. To those who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work. I wish the best for your future

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-08 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: [snip] I created this page (just a draft) : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition [/snip] I've started some brainstorming on this page at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition#Community_Organization

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-07 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote: You can view the situation also as an opportunity to change some of the structure of the project. Openmoko Inc. had certain constraints due to the way it was conceived. Some of them looked good at the beginning but

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-07 Thread swap38
Steve Mosher a écrit : see inlined. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: (...) Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help with. Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any sort of code. The other activities open to me thus far (like bug testing and

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-07 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
+1 to LI +1/2 to Mozilla -2 to LiMo 2009/6/7 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org: Steve Mosher a écrit : see inlined. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: (...) Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help with.   Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-07 Thread Steve Mosher
Swap. Thanks. There are many options available to OM. I'm sure they all be considered Steve swap38 wrote: Steve Mosher a écrit : see inlined. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: (...) Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help with. Up till now I've not

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-07 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: good news :-) Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm probably less skilled than him in management. But I want to help as much as I can. There's 2 solutions for a foundation : 1 - create a brand

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Ben Wong
 My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread carmen
difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with mass collaboration. how so? iphone/pre/blackberry/winmo all offer similarly

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Dale, The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality. If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dale Schumacher wrote: If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and demoralized) volunteers. You can view the situation also as an

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote: The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making new ones ;-) - Werner Lovely, made me laugh which was needed after all that. I

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Ben Wong wrote: My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. Not to disagree, I'd

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread swap38
Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us somewhere where most of us want to go. Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ? It can be a good way to manage projects, communities ... and maybe money ? ;-) --

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread GNUtoo
On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 15:59 +0200, swap38 wrote: Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us somewhere where most of us want to go. Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ? It can be a good way to

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread swap38
Steve Mosher a écrit : Community, To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? Hi Steve, I created this page (just a draft) :

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-05 Thread Steve Mosher
Thanks Christoph for your clarification. I have a minor quibble with your characterization. When Openmoko started as a project in FIC, it started with a Vision. That vision was to create a open mobile phone. Its the job of marketing to message that vision to the customer. Thats what we did.

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-05 Thread Werner Almesberger
Christoph Pulster wrote: I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention. openmoko-kernel used to be very busy. Now it's a bit more quiet with kernel maintenance being rearranged, but I expect it to pick up some more activity again before too long. Also, these days, the

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-05 Thread Boris Wong
Hi Steve, Steve Mosher wrote: 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it as such. As I am to understand, the core philosophy of Openmoko is the Free the Phone. There are many platform hardware

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-05 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wonglists.bo...@bshed.com wrote: Steve Mosher wrote: 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it as such. ...snip... Free the phone; we already have

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-04 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make. To those who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work. I wish the best for your future endeavours and hope that you are able to remain in the community in some way. I know I haven't really contributed much to the project.

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-04 Thread PaulTT
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Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-04 Thread Steve Mosher
Thanks Jeremy for your kind words. I've copied pat meier Johnson our PR person on the thread. Like you we believe there is a great positive story here. In addition, I've copied some of the key people in the Openmoko community to get their reaction to your ideas Jeremy McNaughton wrote:

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-03 Thread Werner Almesberger
Sean, thanks for the update ! It is unfortunate that Openmoko Inc. cannot presently continue to lead the development of the open phone. But then, many a great undertaking has required more than one effort before reaching its goal. Anything that brings us closer to that goal is a success in

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-03 Thread Harald Welte
Thanks for your update, Sean! It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks). I'm happy to see this transition and

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi Sean, Thanks for all the fish :) [fortunatly without a So long and in the beggining] and most of all thanks for communicating all this. Most companies are not so bravely outspoken, and I'm only sad it didn't go better in the end. As a phoenix, it has the potential to rebirth as a glorious

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Steve Mosher
Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something unique. i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community on what OM

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Lon Lentz
Steve, Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to implement all of the pending hardware fixes? On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something unique. i spent some time

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Steve Mosher
No, it will not impact the program. I just sealed the deal on that this morning! of course there are details to be worked out so watch this space. 1. we sent out instructions to all the disty a while back. 2. one of our North american partners had requested the package to perform the

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Warren Baird
Hi Sean, Thanks for the honesty. I'd like to echo Rui's thank you - I've survived a couple of lay-offs in my day, and I know it's not pleasant for anyone involved. I hope that OpenMoko thrives in it's new form. I've been using my FR as my daily phone for about 6 months now, first with QtE and

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Steve Mosher
Community, To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? After the FAQ gets incorporated then we can start to fill it up. Also, I want to start a wish list

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Nelson Castillo
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:  Community,    To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? Hello Steve. - How will

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Steve Mosher
Hi Nelson, Thanks good to hear from you. I really enjoyed the pictures you gave me from our last time together in Taipei. Anything you can do to help will be appreciated. Steve Nelson Castillo wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon. I wouldn't be so much sure. Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow,

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon. I wouldn't

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Thanks Sean for this announcement! It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones around the world, various open/free distros to run on the

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Dave Ball
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Dave Ball
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Thanks Sean for this announcement! It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones around the world, various

Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-02 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dave Ball openm...@underhand.org wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves