Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-03-02 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote: Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I have real hopes now of using mine regularly. +1 from me too :) I think we can say it

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-03-01 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Andy Green ha scritto: Depends on what you're doing with it... is the backlight on all the time... making a call... I can't give you a straight answer because I didn't examine this yet. Instead I spent all my time around power consumption looking to optimize suspend current since that can

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-03-01 Thread clare
Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I have real hopes now of using mine regularly. thanks clare On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote: I think we will improve this a small amount in kernel updates we already know we can do, but how much I don't know. We already

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-03-01 Thread Tim Knapp
On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote: Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I have real hopes now of using mine regularly. +1 from me too :) -Tim thanks clare On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote: I think we will improve this a small amount

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-29 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Uncle Kridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: joerg wrote: - charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h) - charge from intelligent host: 500mA (1-2h) - charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (1h) Ahh, ok, that makes a lot more sense.

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-29 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Andy Green ha scritto: Somebody in the thread at some point said: - charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h) - charge from intelligent host: 500mA (1-2h) - charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (1h) This is pretty accurate Joerg but on this last one the total

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-29 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Ok about charging, but what's exactly now the status of discharging on GTA02 devices? I mean... How long is actually running a (pre-)Freerunner without charging it? Depends on what you're doing with

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread joerg
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann: I read the Archives and found this Topic. I own a T-Mobile MDA Vario. The device is charged via USB too. And theay included an USB Wallcharger. Have anybody allready checked this charger? Device Data: Delta Electronics inc. AC Adapter

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread Andre Lanvermann
Oooh, the it seems i missunderstood the previous Messages. I was sure that there is NO Charger for the NEO Except the USB Port of a Computer. Im sorry :( Greetings Andre joerg schrieb: Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann: I read the Archives and found this Topic. I own a

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread joerg
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann: Oooh, the it seems i missunderstood the previous Messages. I was sure that there is NO Charger for the NEO Except the USB Port of a Computer. Im sorry :( from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Charger ___ Charger ___

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread Bobby Martin
In case some of you aren't on the device owners list I posted this to before, I created a script that will detect when you're plugged into a charger that's causing a slow (100mA) charge and will ask if you want to do fast charge instead. Examples of such chargers include a car charger, the usb

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Bobby, I'm glad you posted this again, I've been meaning to tell you I'll be happy to host your script on downloads.openmoko.org. Shall I just copy the script from your host? Michael Bobby Martin wrote: In case some of you aren't on the device owners list I posted this to before, I created

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread Bobby Martin
to get my stuff into revision control, too. I'll try to get it into projects.openmoko.org soon. Subject: Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02) Bobby, I'm glad you posted this again, I've been meaning to tell you I'll be happy to host your script

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread joerg
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Uncle Kridley: Michael Shiloh wrote: There will be a charger for the Neo Freerunner, which has the secret resistor jOERG mentions below. Does this mean that it won't charge (or will only charge slowly) from a generic USB connector/charger? Part of the

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-28 Thread Uncle Kridley
joerg wrote: - charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h) - charge from intelligent host: 500mA (1-2h) - charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (1h) Ahh, ok, that makes a lot more sense. I generally charge overnight, so when I'm traveling, the difference between

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-15 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART -- let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector -- will be enough to make a

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-15 Thread Bradley Hook
How much juice does the display eat up when it's active? I assume it's a considerable amount. Could we have the ability to drop the phone into a minimalist mode, where all the fluff is disabled but bare-basic features continue to work? For example, kill the wifi, GPS, bluetooth, and even the

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-15 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Bradley, This is all being discussed extensively on the kernel mailing list (ML). Yes, there will be ways to reduce consumption by turning off unnecessary stuff. There are multiple levels of suspension, each with a range of components turned on or turned off. Of course once the structure

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread joerg
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Kyle Bassett: I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and they have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently stands, a cold suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming call/sms), could result in 20 days

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Steven **
This would definitely be good. I have Bluetooth disabled on my current phone almost all the time. As rarely as I use BT, there's no need to have it always on. I anticipate similar usage for wifi for me. So, I would love to be able to turn those two off and back from the icons at the top.

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Paul Jimenez
On Thursday, Feb 14, 2008, Kyle Bassett writes: There is talk about pushing startup power control of the internal devices (wifi, bt, gps, mmc, etc.) to user level, as every user may or may not want certain devices available at bootup/all the time (availability vs. duration). Indeed, this along

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: On Thursday, Feb 14, 2008, Kyle Bassett writes: There is talk about pushing startup power control of the internal devices (wifi, bt, gps, mmc, etc.) to user level, as every user may or may not want

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Kyle Bassett
For reference, the numbers I came up with are for absolute minimum power usage for GTA02. These figures are still *very* preliminary, but I wanted to convey the success of the last few weeks. We should probably expect a standby time closer to ~7 days, that way any improvement over this runtime

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Andy - class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it will ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to availability and so on, but I hope it will.) Yes, I think we can confirm that every GTA02 will ship with this new 'smart' battery. There are more

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Kyle Bassett
Is this smart battery (internal circuitry+cell) custom via OM, or third party? On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy - class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it will ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Robin Paulson
On 14/02/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kyle for a great summary of the work being discussed on the kernel ML. I am simply not able to keep up with all the lists and very much appreciate your helping out here. Michael indeed, thanks for the info kyle. i've been

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Can GTA01 users upgrade to this battery and would it make sense to do so? Not without hacking the device and the drivers and only then if you can find a GPIO that comes out to a resistor or something you

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread joerg
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Basically as a rule hardware is set in stone, it goes double when it is micro BGAs and so on like this hardware, there's not much anyone can do about that. That's the reason why polite PCB-designers are planning for a NC-via at least for those

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Is this smart battery (internal circuitry+cell) custom via OM, or third party? I dunno the answer to this, but the smart battery is the same physical footprint as the GTA01 one if that helps make a guess.

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread joerg
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green: As I say it matters a bit less because so many signals are unavailable anyway, but of course I really understand the point of having them. To offset it a little there are bunch of testpoints which are annotated on the board and will be annotated in

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: So i hope there's a testpoint for each unused valuable (hidden) pin at It didn't happen I am afraid. There is some IO to be had at the testpoints, but mainly they are just that -- test points. For

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread joerg
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART -- let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector -- will be enough to make a practical solution though. Good point! If i need additional GPIO, so what. I got I2C, so i just

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-14 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
Wolfgang Spraul ??: Andy - class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it will ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to availability and so on, but I hope it will.) Yes, I think we can confirm that every GTA02 will ship with this new 'smart'

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Shiloh
Nick Guenther wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-13 Thread Uncle Kridley
Michael Shiloh wrote: We are well aware of software changes we need to make in order to improve battery and have simply not had the time to do this. You can expect much better battery life when we implement these changes. [...] that my very simple testing suggests should last for well over 12

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-13 Thread Kyle Bassett
I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and they have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently stands, a cold suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming call/sms), could result in 20 days of standby! For those technical people on this

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Shiloh
Uncle Kridley wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: We are well aware of software changes we need to make in order to improve battery and have simply not had the time to do this. You can expect much better battery life when we implement these changes. [...] that my very simple testing suggests

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Shiloh
Thanks Kyle for a great summary of the work being discussed on the kernel ML. I am simply not able to keep up with all the lists and very much appreciate your helping out here. Michael Kyle Bassett wrote: I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and they have made

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-10 Thread David Pottage
On Saturday 09 February 2008, Shawn Rutledge wrote: At least the 1973-compatible Nokia batteries will probably be available for a long time (as I'm hoping the Nokia 770 batteries will be), but there is still the problem with charging them (the phone cannot do it). The rule of thumb is that

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity will most likely be around 1200mA. If you find any place on the wiki that says

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity will most likely be

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Friday 08 February 2008 17:29:36 Steven ** wrote: Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. Almost. Unfortunately the Bl-5C has only 850mAh and for some reason the Neo doesn't charge it. A DT-14 help for the latter.

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 10:29 -0600, Steven ** wrote: Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. They discovered this a long time ago. The Nokia batteries are AFAIK not a drop-in replacement. According to

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Nick Guenther
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity will most likely be