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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote:
Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I
have real hopes now of using mine regularly.
+1 from me too :)
I think we can say it
Andy Green ha scritto:
Depends on what you're doing with it... is the backlight on all the
time... making a call... I can't give you a straight answer because I
didn't examine this yet. Instead I spent all my time around power
consumption looking to optimize suspend current since that can
Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I
have real hopes now of using mine regularly.
thanks
clare
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote:
I think we will improve this a small amount in kernel updates we already
know we can do, but how much I don't know. We already
On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote:
Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I
have real hopes now of using mine regularly.
+1 from me too :)
-Tim
thanks
clare
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote:
I think we will improve this a small amount
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Uncle Kridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
joerg wrote:
- charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h)
- charge from intelligent host: 500mA (1-2h)
- charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (1h)
Ahh, ok, that makes a lot more sense.
Andy Green ha scritto:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
- charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h)
- charge from intelligent host: 500mA (1-2h)
- charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (1h)
This is pretty accurate Joerg but on this last one the total
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Ok about charging, but what's exactly now the status of discharging on
GTA02 devices?
I mean... How long is actually running a (pre-)Freerunner without
charging it?
Depends on what you're doing with
Oooh, the it seems i missunderstood the previous Messages. I was sure
that there is NO Charger
for the NEO Except the USB Port of a Computer. Im sorry :(
Greetings
Andre
joerg schrieb:
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann:
I read the Archives and found this Topic. I own a
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann:
Oooh, the it seems i missunderstood the previous Messages. I was sure
that there is NO Charger
for the NEO Except the USB Port of a Computer. Im sorry :(
from
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Charger
___ Charger ___
In case some of you aren't on the device owners list I posted this to
before, I created a script that will detect when you're plugged into a
charger that's causing a slow (100mA) charge and will ask if you want
to do fast charge instead.
Examples of such chargers include a car charger, the usb
Bobby,
I'm glad you posted this again, I've been meaning to tell you I'll be
happy to host your script on downloads.openmoko.org. Shall I just copy
the script from your host?
Michael
Bobby Martin wrote:
In case some of you aren't on the device owners list I posted this to
before, I created
to get my stuff into revision control, too. I'll try to get it
into projects.openmoko.org soon.
Subject: Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
Bobby,
I'm glad you posted this again, I've been meaning to tell you I'll be
happy to host your script
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Uncle Kridley:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
There will be a charger for the Neo Freerunner, which has the secret
resistor jOERG mentions below.
Does this mean that it won't charge (or will only charge slowly) from a
generic USB connector/charger? Part of the
joerg wrote:
- charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h)
- charge from intelligent host: 500mA (1-2h)
- charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (1h)
Ahh, ok, that makes a lot more sense. I generally charge overnight, so
when I'm traveling, the difference between
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART --
let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector --
will be enough to make a
How much juice does the display eat up when it's active? I assume it's a
considerable amount. Could we have the ability to drop the phone into a
minimalist mode, where all the fluff is disabled but bare-basic
features continue to work?
For example, kill the wifi, GPS, bluetooth, and even the
Hi Bradley,
This is all being discussed extensively on the kernel mailing list (ML).
Yes, there will be ways to reduce consumption by turning off unnecessary
stuff. There are multiple levels of suspension, each with a range of
components turned on or turned off. Of course once the structure
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Kyle Bassett:
I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and they
have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently
stands, a cold suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming
call/sms), could result in 20 days
This would definitely be good. I have Bluetooth disabled on my
current phone almost all the time. As rarely as I use BT, there's no
need to have it always on. I anticipate similar usage for wifi for
me. So, I would love to be able to turn those two off and back from
the icons at the top.
On Thursday, Feb 14, 2008, Kyle Bassett writes:
There is talk about pushing startup power control of the internal devices
(wifi, bt, gps, mmc, etc.) to user level, as every user may or may not want
certain devices available at bootup/all the time (availability vs.
duration).
Indeed, this along
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
On Thursday, Feb 14, 2008, Kyle Bassett writes:
There is talk about pushing startup power control of the internal devices
(wifi, bt, gps, mmc, etc.) to user level, as every user may or may not want
For reference, the numbers I came up with are for absolute minimum power
usage for GTA02. These figures are still *very* preliminary, but I wanted
to convey the success of the last few weeks. We should probably expect a
standby time closer to ~7 days, that way any improvement over this runtime
Andy -
class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it
will
ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to
availability and so on, but I hope it will.)
Yes, I think we can confirm that every GTA02 will ship with this new
'smart' battery.
There are more
Is this smart battery (internal circuitry+cell) custom via OM, or third
party?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Andy -
class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it
will
ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw
On 14/02/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Kyle for a great summary of the work being discussed on the
kernel ML. I am simply not able to keep up with all the lists and very
much appreciate your helping out here.
Michael
indeed, thanks for the info kyle.
i've been
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Can GTA01 users upgrade to this battery and would it make sense to do so?
Not without hacking the device and the drivers and only then if you can
find a GPIO that comes out to a resistor or something you
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Basically as a rule hardware is set in stone, it goes double when it is
micro BGAs and so on like this hardware, there's not much anyone can do
about that.
That's the reason why polite PCB-designers are planning for a NC-via at least
for those
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Is this smart battery (internal circuitry+cell) custom via OM, or third
party?
I dunno the answer to this, but the smart battery is the same physical
footprint as the GTA01 one if that helps make a guess.
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
As I say it matters a bit less because so many signals are unavailable
anyway, but of course I really understand the point of having them. To
offset it a little there are bunch of testpoints which are annotated on
the board and will be annotated in
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
So i hope there's a testpoint for each unused valuable (hidden) pin at
It didn't happen I am afraid. There is some IO to be had at the
testpoints, but mainly they are just that -- test points. For
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART --
let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector --
will be enough to make a practical solution though.
Good point! If i need additional GPIO, so what. I got I2C, so i just
Wolfgang Spraul ??:
Andy -
class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it will
ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to
availability and so on, but I hope it will.)
Yes, I think we can confirm that every GTA02 will ship with this new
'smart'
Nick Guenther wrote:
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no final capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity
Michael Shiloh wrote:
We are well aware of software changes we need to make in order to
improve battery and have simply not had the time to do this. You can
expect much better battery life when we implement these changes.
[...]
that my very simple testing suggests should last for well over 12
I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and they
have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently
stands, a cold suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming
call/sms), could result in 20 days of standby!
For those technical people on this
Uncle Kridley wrote:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
We are well aware of software changes we need to make in order to
improve battery and have simply not had the time to do this. You can
expect much better battery life when we implement these changes.
[...]
that my very simple testing suggests
Thanks Kyle for a great summary of the work being discussed on the
kernel ML. I am simply not able to keep up with all the lists and very
much appreciate your helping out here.
Michael
Kyle Bassett wrote:
I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and
they have made
On Saturday 09 February 2008, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
At least the 1973-compatible Nokia batteries will probably be
available for a long time (as I'm hoping the Nokia 770 batteries will
be), but there is still the problem with charging them (the phone
cannot do it). The rule of thumb is that
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no final capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity will most likely be around 1200mA.
If you find any place on the wiki that says
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no final capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity will most likely be
On Friday 08 February 2008 17:29:36 Steven ** wrote:
Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery.
Almost. Unfortunately the Bl-5C has only 850mAh and for some reason the Neo
doesn't charge it. A DT-14 help for the latter.
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 10:29 -0600, Steven ** wrote:
Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. They discovered this a
long time ago.
The Nokia batteries are AFAIK not a drop-in replacement. According to
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no final capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity will most likely be
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