Re: GTA04 bundle for sale

2017-02-24 Thread Bob Ham

Hi again,

After some discussion with others, inspection of currency exchange 
rates, and further ruminations on my desire to shift the kit, I have 
decided to drop the asking price to £550 plus postage, or nearest offer.


Regards,

Bob


On 2017-02-22 21:20, Bob Ham wrote:

Hi all,

I am offering a huge GTA04 bundle including a complete GTA04, a
complete Neo 1973 (GTA01) kit and a virtual treasure trove of
accessories :-)  The GTA04 can run the latest 4.10 kernel[0].

Photos are here: http://settrans.net/~rah/gta04-sale/

- Golden Delicious GTA04 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM board
- Golden Delicious GTA04 LCD module (attached to GTA04 board)
- Golden Delicious GTA04 RS232 cable
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 case, modified to fit GTA04
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 board with LCD attached (it has string around it
  to keep the battery in; I'll even throw in the string for free! ;-)
- OpenMoko charger A10P1-05MP 5V 2.0A, USB mini B with swappable UK
  and European plugs (bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- FIC GTA-01 battery (barely holds charge)
- FIC GTA-02 battery (good, bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- OpenMoko neoprene phone case
- OpenMoko big black plastic hacker box (this is possibly the hardest
  thing to let go of; it's a really nice box :-)
- OpenMoko lanyard, unopened
- 2x GTA01 debug boards with flexible flat cables
- Bag of PCB offsets for one debug board
- 2x Glede Torx T6 screwdrivers (one brand new and unopened)
- 2x brand new USB A to USB mini B cables
- Dunlop 73 guitar pick
- Combination pen, stylus and LED light with metal case.
  Unfortunately the pocket clip is loose now and doesn't stay on any
  more. I can't comment on the light but the batteries are definitely
  drained :-)  I'll include them though, so you can find
  replacements.
- Zagg Invisible Shield "OpenMoko Condom" case protector (unused)

I am looking to sell everything for £800 (GBP) plus postage or to
exchange for bitcoins.  I'm open to offers though.

Kind regards,

Bob

[0]

http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2017-February/007257.html


PS, please excuse the cross-posting


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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

2016-02-01 Thread Niels Heyvaert
Also added Android-on-Freerunner in the process.

Niels


On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:
>> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
>> that page up to date?
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones
> Better this way?
>
> Christ van Willegen
Much better!
 
 
 
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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

2016-01-31 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:
> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
> that page up to date?
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

Better this way?

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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

2016-01-31 Thread Ed Kapitein

On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:

Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
that page up to date?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

Better this way?

Christ van Willegen

Much better!


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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-28 Thread Boudewijn

On 01/27/2016 03:25 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:

If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez
Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner
there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I
enjoyed the food (and the company)

Should we make a reservation? :-)


Yes, please do!


There's a reservation at 19.00 at Chez Fleur (mostly Dutch at the 
moment). In case anyone hops by: they don't accept plastic money, so 
come prepared (take friends with cash along :-) ).


Best regards,

Boudewijn





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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-27 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:
> (...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend
> anyone ...)
>
> On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
>> Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
>> Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
>> Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...
>>
> As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll have to
> find our own meeting spot.

We can still meet there :-)

> If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez
> Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner
> there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I
> enjoyed the food (and the company)
>
> Should we make a reservation? :-)

Yes, please do!

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread Boudewijn

On 01/25/2016 10:22 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair 
> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?

I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend!

Best regards,
  Christoph


Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand.

Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free
software :),

Thanks :-)

Had I been organized a bit earlier I'd mailed Michael to ask if I could 
share his stand, but as it is I only have my GTA04 and GTA02 and most 
visitors already have played with them I think :-)


Best regards,

Boudewijn



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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread Boudewijn
(...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend 
anyone ...)


On 01/25/2016 09:22 AM, Perez Diez, Jose Luis wrote:
> El Diumenge 24 Gener 2016, a les 22:43:33, Boudewijn va escriure:
>> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?
>
> I'll be there but I will stay mainly on the Perl trak

On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote:


Yes, I do.

I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday
morning (too bad for Neil!).

So, yes, I'd like to meet up!

Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...

As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll 
have to find our own meeting spot.


If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez 
Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had 
dinner there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco 
and I enjoyed the food (and the company)


Should we make a reservation? :-)

On 01/25/2016 09:26 AM, n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote:
> I will be there on Sunday afternoon. Focussed in the SDN/NFV DevRoom,
> but would love to meet up.
Will you have lunch or dinner in that area or is it really a short visit?


Best regards,

Boudewijn

[0] http://www.chezfleur.be/

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair :

> Am 24.01.2016 10:44 nachm. schrieb "Boudewijn" :
> >
> > Hi lists,
> >
> > Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?
> 
> I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend!
> 
> Best regards,
>   Christoph

Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand.

Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free software 
:),
Nikolaus


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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:
> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?

Yes, I do.

> I have been terribly inactive, with hardly enough time to lurk the
> mailinglist, let alone participate in anything. This year I can make it to
> FOSDEM, it would be nice to meet if there's a chance to.

I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday
morning (too bad for Neil!).

So, yes, I'd like to meet up!

Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...

See you there!

Christ van Willegen

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Re: [Gta04-owner] OpenPhoenux and GTA04 at CCCamp?

2015-07-24 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,

Am 24.07.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Paul Kocialkowski cont...@paulk.fr:

 Next month, CCCamp will take place near Berlin, Germany.
 The event is a great occasion to highlight the GTA04 project and our
 OpenPhoenux community at large. Neo900 folks already plan on attending
 and will organize a Neo village:
 https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Neo
 
 I will also attend to represent Replicant (and hopefully get a lightning
 talk about it, if not a self-organized session).

Good!

 In addition to
 presenting the project and the various freedom and
 privacy/security-related issues in mobile devices, I would also like to
 try and get new people to join-in.
 
 Nikolaus, do you plan on having some OpenPhoenux and GTA04
 representation at camp besides Neo900?

I didn’t know about this event until some weeks ago - and I personally
have a schedule conflict… And I am not a fan of outdoor camping either :)

 Also, my GTA04 still has a broken
 GPS connector, so I thought perhaps it would be the right time to see
 about it and get it fixed (Joerg already mentioned he would bring some
 soldering tools, too).

Yes, that would have been a good occasion. But you can also send it to me
(any time you like) and I can return it next day (sometimes same day). It
needs around 10 minutes to repair if the person knows how to do it quickly
and reliable.

 
 I would be very happy to meet members of the community there and talk
 about the future of Replicant on the OpenPhoenux projects and community!

Thanks for making us aware!

I am sure that some members of our community are going there. Maybe they
can share their plans and reply to this mail?

BR,
Nikolaus


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Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ

2015-02-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 13.02.2015 um 07:54 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com:

 Hi,
 a short status update for this project:
 
 1. we have reached 42 preorders [1] - please continue to think about ordering 
 one as well…
 2. we plan to integrate a new barometer sensor BME280 with integrated 
 humidity sensor
so the GTA04A5 can be used as weather station - or for checking your room 
 climate (critical for your health and e.g. a piano)
 3. as announced this week, Replicant is working really well and Lukas told me 
 yesterday that he already installed WhatsApp
 
 So we only need to upgrade hardware to catch up a little to Nexus 6 in 
 functionality…
 But the Nexus still has to catch up in openness and hardware documentation :)
 
 BR,
 Nikolaus
 
 
 [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5

I have reveived some questions off-list where I would like to share the answers:

 Are you seriously considering to upgrade hardware? Very cool.

Yes, we constantly monitor what new interesting chips are coming that can be
integrated at low risk. Replacing the BMP085 (which by the way is no longer in
production) is just wiring up 8 pins to a different package.

And, we have to do that anyways since a handful of chips is no longer available
and *must* be replaced. I did give a presentation on OHSW about this topic.

But we have to be careful, since “big” changes (e.g. bigger display, quad-core 
CPU,
LTE) are not possible. They introduce too much risk that the whole board does 
not
work and some do not fit into the existing Openmoko plastic cases.
And they need too much work time to be integrated.

It is like mature software with an architecture designed some years ago that you
touch only if it is easy to touch and does not introduce regressions in 
unexpected
areas. I.e. changing the color or text of a button is ok, changing the menu 
structure
isn't :)

 Is there a recording of your OHSW talk?


OHSW: http://www.ohsw.de
Video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktugrICZMKIlist=PL-s0IumBit8Mofxj0Fn2kH6RB9VtnKS4KVideo
Slides: 
http://download.goldelico.com/default/Presentations/20141129%20OHSW/3%20GTA04A5%20Project%20Status.pdf

 What about this 5000€ or 1€ target?


This target is not really comparable to a kickstarter limit. It is more thought 
as
an indicator to give a more imaginable (at least I hope) view on the project 
funding
status.

The real target we have is to get 100 preorders (vouchers) at 100 € each. This
is equivalent to a 1€ sum of preorders.

Only if we have reached that, we can seriously go to the production facility and
ask them to give us a quotation (it is some heavy unpaid work for them and I 
don’t
want to go to them just for fun). Only then, we know the real price of building
100 units.

We will then announce the price and ask to pay the difference between the 
voucher
and the final price. If nobody cancels his voucher, we can then start the 
production.

There is one aspect which could make us the 1€ a real goal.

I fear that we do not have much time left over to buy the OPTION GTM601W
3G modules. They are in production for quite a while, but there is no successor.

And as soon as OPTION is no longer able to buy some component inside the
module, they will stop production (maybe they already have stopped and we
don’t know yet). Then we only can buy what is still in some stock. Maybe at 
rising
price. Or we come too late and they say: sorry, we are sold out.

And the OPTION module is one of the deal-breaker components. If we can’t buy
it any more there is no chance to redesign the GTA04A5 board for a replacement
component. Other modules are thicker or bigger - and need a careful design-in
process.

So w/o GTM601 (or DM3730 or memory chip) there can be no GTA04A5. 

In that case, we simply refund the preorder vouchers.

So an option would be to use these vouchers to buy OPTION (pun unintended :)
GTM601W modules.

Then, in case of the project never succeeds, we would not refund the money,
but could send you the module in case the project fails to reach 100 units for
production.

This would transform the voucher for a GTA04A5 into a voucher for a GTM601W
module and a separate one for a GTA04A5 production run later.

But it is too early to really do that step since we just have 42. If we had 75, 
I would
say that we do this risk purchase.

 The campaign is already running for a while and running very slowly.
 Will it ever succeed? When will it considered to be failed?


Well, I don’t know since my crystal ball doesn’t tell that.

And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special 
product
for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit
from it. And since we all are here on these lists, it does not make sense to 
start
a Kickstarter/IndieGoGo for the broad public to get more interested people. And,
there is no benefit of making it a competition against the calendar (4-8 weeks).

Either you are convinced or not. Or change your 

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ

2015-02-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 13.02.2015 um 17:32 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net:

 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this great follow-up! I have one question:
 
 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special 
 product
 for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit
 from it.
 
 What about case kits? I remember there was some effort to make it
 possible to replace old GTA02 parts with easier to obtain equivalents,
 so using GTA04 board in self-made case (like 3D printed one) would be
 possible. What's the situation right now?

To go into detail the situation is this:

In addition to the naked motherboard these parts from a GTA01/02 are reused:
a) case (3 black plastic parts plus white speaker box)
b) vibramotor
c) earpiece speaker
d) handsfree/music speaker(s)
e) display panel
f) battery
g) GSM antenna
h) active GPS antenna module

Replacements are
a) there are several STL designs available, even a wooden case looks feasible.
b) we will solder a small(er) vibramotor on the GTA04A5 board, so that it does 
not longer need to be reused.
c) here, we did have a replacement but it is now end of life. We have a 
supplier and catalog for other replacements.
d) they were easily available at Mouser until last summer. So we just have ~25 
pieces left over [1]. But it could be possible to find them on Alibaba.
e) here we have ca. 60 units [2] - and no idea if anyone has stock for more.
f) we still have some stock and maybe other of the well known Openmoko 
distributors as well.
g) here we want to offer a replacement (similar to the green “cucumber” in the 
photo [3]).
h) there are several GPS modules to choose from.

So in summary, we already offer some of the required components and will offer 
others.
But three key components (battery, handsfree speakers and display) are limited 
and w/o good replacments.

BR,
Nikolaus


[1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ASpeaker
[2]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=LCD%20Module
[3]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ACase%20Kit
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Re: [Gta04-owner] ANN 2: new gta04-makesd for preparing bootable SD cards

2015-02-09 Thread Boudewijn
On Monday 09 February 2015 21:14:51 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 So I hope that we are doing something you appreciate and find useful
 and maybe would like to support either through [1] or by testing, reporting
 bugs and submitting patches.
Yes! Really a lot! I came home late tonight, intending to only have a quick 
look at my mail and find myself cloning the repository and downloading Lucas' 
image.

Thank you all who have contributed!

Best regards,

Boudewijn

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Special offer Letux 3704

2014-08-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Reminder!

Please think about more interesting project ideas for this device!

And the offer is serious - your price is ours (even if 1 € - if the idea is 
excellent).

BR,
Nikolaus

Am 31.07.2014 um 11:06 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com:

 Hi,
 as you probably know, the Letux 2804 has an older brother, the Letux 3704 
 PDA.
 As some older brothers it is stronger, but a little clumsy and may not be as
 versatile as the younger brother :) But he has his strengths if needed...
 
 http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%203704
 
 The L3704 units we offer from stock are sample units to evaluate customization
 options, and we are looking for more such customization projects.
 
 A Replicant 4.2 image is running on it very well, so that you can easily
 develop (or have developed) and deploy applications to such devices. And
 since it doesn't have UMTS built in, the incomplete Hayes-RIL for 
 GTA04-Replicant
 is not a problem. 
 
 To stimulate your ideas, we make a special summer holidays offer:
 
 * please submit a project idea what you want to accomplish with such a device
 * and suggest a price for a (single) sample unit until 15th August.
 
 Then, we will choose the most interesting projects from the submissions
 and you get the device at the price (plus shipment) you have suggested.
 
 Submissions must go to: sa...@goldelico.com to be considered.
 
 Please spread the word and invite interested people to this mailing list.
 
 BR and have a nice summer,
 Nikolaus
 
 
 
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-22 Thread Ben Wong
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

 We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline

 Why?  The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone.  Why would you waste
 time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
 board being used?  Why are you not spending this time working on the
 power drain?

 When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power
 drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive

After much study, I have discovered that the biggest power drain
appears to be coming from certain posts on the mailing list which
ridicule and demoralize the people actually doing the work in this
community. When people volunteer to work on free software/hardware
projects, they are doing something to make the world a better place
and they should be paid back with, at the least, our respect.

—Ben

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:03:47 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline
 
 Why?  The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone.  Why would you waste
 time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
 board being used?

Thanks a lot for the excellent advice! Now if you could elaborate on what 
exactly *is* the source of the problem, and particularly why it's not related 
to kernel's power management, according to your insight.

 Why are you not spending this time working on the
 power drain?

See above!

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 21.02.2014 um 10:03 schrieb Bob Ham:

 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 
 We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline
 
 Why?  The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste
 time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
 board being used?  Why are you not spending this time working on the
 power drain?

Maybe you don't know or believe but the kernel controls the power drain.
So working on the kernel is working on the power drain...

Why do you waste time to write such mails instead of working on the
problems that prevent the board being used?  Why are you not spending
this time working on the power drain?

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

  the kernel controls the power drain.

How has that been determined?

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
 
 How has that been determined?

Roughly same way as Pi 
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
 
 How has that been determined?

Your initial rant sounded much similar to the plot:
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excess energy expense caused by the residents not shutting down the heating 
when opening the windows.
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:

 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 
 the kernel controls the power drain.
 
 How has that been determined?

Please find the answer and tell us about the results.

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
 
  On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  
  the kernel controls the power drain.
  
  How has that been determined?
 
 Please find the answer and tell us about the results.

This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
the kernel controls the power drain.  It implies that your assertion
was, in fact, just speculation.  And if you don't know whether the
kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
kernel is working on the power drain.

You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain.  When
you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
phone board, the community will be more supportive.

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
   On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
   
   How has that been determined?
  
  Please find the answer and tell us about the results.
 
 This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
 the kernel controls the power drain.  It implies that your assertion
 was, in fact, just speculation.  And if you don't know whether the
 kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
 kernel is working on the power drain.
 
 You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain.  When
 you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
 phone board, the community will be more supportive.

please take it elsewhere!
you evidently got NFC but think you can patronize and instruct others
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
   On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
   
   How has that been determined?
  
  Please find the answer and tell us about the results.
 
 This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
 the kernel controls the power drain.  It implies that your assertion
 was, in fact, just speculation.  And if you don't know whether the
 kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
 kernel is working on the power drain.
 
 You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain.  When
 you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
 phone board, the community will be more supportive.

Nikolaus' answer just implies one thing: he noticed quicker than me that any 
answer to you is futile.
Feel free to pick the right one matching to your statements from 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
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Re: [Gta04-owner] qtmoko-eyepiece

2013-12-16 Thread Adrien Dorsaz
Hello!

I've found a solution to fix this problem with Debian Wheezy (the one
for GTA04), please see this bug report:
https://github.com/radekp/eyepiece/issues/1

TLDR; you need to make symbolic links for libdjvulibre and libfontconfig
libraries inside the /usr/lib/ directory and open PDF from the Eyepiece
application.

Le vendredi 02 août 2013 à 18:56 +0200, correu griera a écrit :
 Thanks Radek!!
 
 
 I have the same problem: I tried to run Eyepiece, it install the lib
 and I get the error Installation failed.
 
 
 Thanks a lot!! Griera
 
 
 
 2013/7/31 Adrien Dorsaz adr...@adorsaz.ch
 Hello !
 
 Le mercredi 31 juillet 2013 à 16:13 +0200, Radek Polak a
 écrit :
  On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 08:47:59 AM Griera wrote:
 
 
   there is only the package for armel version.
   Thanks a lot. Griera.
 
  Should be fixed now (but not tested).
 
  BR
 
 
 
  Radek
 
 
 Thanks, now we've the package, but it doesn't find
 libdjvulibre21 and
 libfontconfig1 when it starts and ask to install them. I've
 already
 installed them and when it tries, it makes error :
 Installation
 failed.
 
 I've tried to open a PDF despite of the error message, but
 I've a
 message which said it cann't load plugin.
 
 Does someone have any hint to make it works ?
 
 Thanks,
 Adrien
 
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Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5

2013-12-14 Thread kardan
Hi,

good to hear about the progress. For the upcoming gruenes blatt, a
german speaking ecofriendly and direct action orientied magazine I
wrote a short article about free phones[1] and open source hardware[2]
This is intented as a series to be continued in future editions. If
there are news, you want to see in this section, please give me a
message in english or german.

If there are news from the munich conference I am happy to create a
layout with scribus.

All the best,
kardan


[1]
PDF: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/Datei:Grbl2013-3_s50_144dpi.pdf
Text: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/2013-03:Telefone_mit_freier_Technik
[2] 
PDF: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/Datei:Grbl2013-3_s3_144dpi.pdf
Text: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/2013-03:Freie-Technik-Nachrichten

(sorry to all non german readers)


On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:29:44 +0100
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 the GTA04A5 campaign is progressing slowly (as expected), but it is!
 
 We already have 15 units on preorder [1]. Of course this is not yet
 enough to get the price down to regions we all want, but a start has
 been made!
 
 My hope is that we can use synergies with the Neo900 project to get
 some (not all) components cheaper.
 
 Replicant 4.0, Kernel 3.13 (and perhaps QtMoko) are also making
 progress so that there is choice for good software.
 
 BR,
 Nikolaus
 
 [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5
 
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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-09-03 Thread joerg Reisenweber
Hi!
just as a short newsflash: we got 258 votes-of-interest and even 30 that are 
willing to pay =700EUR for a Neo900 aka GTA04-NeoN board plus housing and 
other needed parts.
Follow the hype at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread arne anka

I would say, maemo fremantle is great.
if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts,
and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great.
having free hardware in n900 case it good too.
but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the
proprietary one that could be flashed from nokia images.
but the one which is possible to port to different devices. so may be
someone does not like n900 and want to use it on n9 or nexus. or
whatever phone he has.
I like SHR for that reason - there are at least a couple of platforms
supported.


maemo isn't great, maemo is a purposefully crippled debian with the  
added benefit to prevent the user from simply using debian armel packages.
imo, the way to go would be to port all of maemo to debian thereby getting  
rid of nokia's imcompatibilities also inside packages (gtk springs to  
mind).

iirc there is/was work going on in that direction.


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM, arne anka wrote:

 maemo isn't great

If I were using Maemo, I guess the biggest problem for me would be
security support, I wonder if there is any right now?

 imo, the way to go would be to port all of maemo to debian thereby getting

Your wording isn't clear here, but I guess you mean join Debian and
get all the new packages and patches from Maemo added to Debian? If
you want to start doing that, take a look at these pages. I'm sure
that the Debian mobile folks will be happy to help guide you with
this.

http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile

 iirc there is/was work going on in that direction.

At one point the Hildon stuff was in Debian but it got removed because
it became clear that it did not have a future upstream since Nokia was
dropping it. Now some things like 0x are in Debian but not much
else. In particular I don't think that Debian has a version of Linux
that can run on the N900 yet, same for GTA02/GTA04. Probably the same
for bootloaders etc.

There is some info about how different Maemo (all versions) is from
Debian in these files:

http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.new
http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.patches
http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/patches/

These are derived from this data:

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo

If there is anyone from the Maemo community interested in being the
contact point for maintaining this info, I get the impression that
Jeremiah is no longer involved in Maemo so it would be great to have a
replacement for him.

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
https://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 28 August 2013 10:33:47 Paul Wise wrote:
 There is some info about how different Maemo (all versions) is from
 Debian in these files:
 
 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.new
 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.patches
 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/patches/
 
 These are derived from this data:
 
 https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo

Maybe related resp helping:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages (NB that's not my POV, usual 
disclaimers apply), and
http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages

The maemo fremantle porting project is not targeted at creating a fork or new 
release of maemo OS, but strictly to keep compatibility from N900 to Neo900 so 
users can ideally restore a backup from their old N900 to their new Neo900 and 
the device acts exactly like user got used to. Also we don't plan to recompile 
the repositories with all the applications, and for the much needed core apps 
like dialer we even can't do that since they are closed.

However you're free to run any distro you like on GTA04 and GTA04-N900 aka 
Neo900, just the maemo community fremantle porting task force will not bother 
about rebasing on debian or whatever, the goals of that task force are 
clearly defined.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
Non-free maemo isn't redistributable.
There's must be free maemo version.
The existing version won't be possible to flash to gta-04 because it is
currently not possible to do that. It's different hardware.
Otherwise it won't be necessary to port SHR to n900, that's obvious.
So, in order to redistribute GTA-04 version of maemo, there must be free
redistributable maemo.

Also, I believe many apps like GPS apps which use liblocation won't
work, because liblocation is proprietary, and needs to be rewritten with
the same interface. Otherwise, full compatibility is just not possible,
without replacing those proprietary parts with free parts.

I personally have no problem using SHR on n900 like device. But you are
the one who considers maemo compatibility to be the key feature. That's
why I am writing this.

The maemo fremantle porting project is not targeted at creating a fork
or new release of maemo OS, but strictly to keep compatibility from
N900 to Neo900 so users can ideally restore a backup from their old N900
to their new Neo900 and the device acts exactly like user got used to.
Also we don't plan to recompile the repositories with all the
applications, and for the much needed core apps like dialer we even
can't do that since they are closed. However you're free to run any
distro you like on GTA04 and GTA04-N900 aka Neo900, just the maemo
community fremantle porting task force will not bother about rebasing
on debian or whatever, the goals of that task force are clearly defined.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 28 August 2013 22:21:18 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
[...]
 Also, I believe many apps like GPS apps which use liblocation won't
 work, because liblocation is proprietary, and needs to be rewritten with
 the same interface. 

GolDeliCo won't ship the Neo900 with maemo pre-installed. We got (or will 
have) a fremantle porting task force at maemo community that does the porting, 
provides installable rootfs, and explains how to install and use the closed 
blobs like liblocation. Nokia donated maemo to community, and we had the 
permission from Nokia to re-use and even re-distribute the blobs since years 
already.

While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a 
complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if 
we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just recompile the 
completely liberated fremantle for it. We wouldn't need a GTA04-N900 that's 
close to the original N900 hw-wise. The idea of GTA04-N900 is to reduce the 
hw-diffs to an amount that can get handled in kernel/drivers by patching them. 
You probably know that kernel and kernel driver modules are FOSS in maemo.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote:
 While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a
 complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if
 we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just recompile the
 completely liberated fremantle for it. We wouldn't need a GTA04-N900 that's
 close to the original N900 hw-wise. The idea of GTA04-N900 is to reduce the
 hw-diffs to an amount that can get handled in kernel/drivers by patching them.
 You probably know that kernel and kernel driver modules are FOSS in maemo.

Yeah, Neo900 won't be associated with any specific operating system.
SHR, QtMoko or anything else that works now on GTA04 should be very
easy, if not trivial, to run on Neo900. For this community, Neo900 is
just a upgraded GTA04 in different case (well, it might be that Neo900
will cause upgrade of GTA04 itself, so it will be rather something
like variant of GTA04 rather than upgrade to it).

But there's one reason why we need Fremantle Porting Task Force -
demand. Maemo community waited for N900 successor for so long, and
with such low demand as we're struggling with those devices, every
single willing buyer helps us a lot. Also, this is not Nokia-owned OS
anymore - community owns it and effort to ditch closed blobs and
switch to free replacements is ongoing, as Joerg pointed out. There
are also some initiatives for rebasing Fremantle on top of current
Debian and to stay as close to upstream as possible.

Those efforts slowly die together with N900. When there are less and
less developers, the goal of Freemantle is more and more away.
Neo900 is meant to resurrect this community as soon as possible. While
joining Freemantle effort into Neo900 project would mean inevitable
failure (not enough manpower, people being disappointed due to
unstable software etc.), giving Maemo community something pretty much
rock-solid as a good base for future work (even with still with some
closed parts) might be better idea for our long term goals.

It might be that reimplementing some OS part will be easier than
adding some compatibility layer in kernel. In such cases, Freemantle
will even benefit directly from porting task force work.

And still, if you're not interested in Fremantle, just ignore it.
There are people who are - they will generate some demand, so we'll be
able to get bigger production runs, so everyone will be happier.
Nevertheless, Neo900 will stay true to everything that GTA04
represents right now. It will just get new form factor to attract
different people.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 26.08.2013 um 16:24 schrieb Tomas Nackaerts:

 Hi all!
 
 I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor. 
 But 
 is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem 
 is quite big?

Yes, but it is the flattest one we could get. And from the photos of the N900 
board I have
seen they even need more space for the separate modem chips.


 And if there will be a redesign the fit the gta04 to the n900 
 will it possible to update the specs a bit? faster cpu and stuff like that?

Faster CPU: yes - the idea is to use the 1GHz DM3730 which is 25-30% faster
(at least at peak performance - if clock is reduced to 200MHz it is also slow).

 But to be honest, i will probably not buy this device if it has the same 
 problems the current gta04 has. (power usage and modem enumeration)

Well, we can't say if it will have the same problems - and even if the problems
if the GTA04 are really problems or just lack of a solution.

And, I must warn a little - a Neo900 design may have other problems
we will only see if it has been built and tested by hundredts of users.


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 26.08.2013 um 14:35 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:

 Hello!
 
 Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community
 recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and
 (now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer
 of FSO (opimd) and SHR. Few days ago I've created website draft for
 GTA04.
 
 As we all know, GTA04 project has few non-technical problems. Poor
 demand is one of them, poor availability of parts is the second one.
 Those two problems together are pretty much show stoppers, cause if we
 fix one, the second one becomes harder.
 
 But Joerg Reisenweber came up with brilliant idea of adapting GTA04
 board into N900 case. Why?
 - second source N900 housings are very cheap and available on eBay in
 big quantities - problem with very small amount of Openmoko cases
 solved
 - there are still new spare parts floating around on free market
 
 But using N900 gives us more:
 - GTA04 with physical keyboard!
 - screen that doesn't appear to be off in full sunlight
 - it seems that while some people like Openmoko case (I do), most
 rather think it's nice idea, but I wouldn't show up anywhere with
 such a brick :( N900 case seems to be more commonly accepted by
 public ;)
 
 Wait, there's even more!
 - if done right, we can engage Maemo community and increase the demand a lot!
 
 There are LOTS of broken N900s in possession of Maemo community
 members due to problems with faulty USB connector and GSM modem. Many
 of them (owners ;)) are waiting for proper N900 successor that never
 came (N9 is not, and Nokia is not interested in platform anymore at
 all).
 
 This might be great time to merge efforts from Openmoko/OpenPhoenux
 and Maemo communities. Neo900 project can benefit from both of them -
 there will be QtMoko/SHR/Replicant on the one side (it's just modified
 GTA04, so running all of them should be very easy), and there will be
 Maemo, Meego and maybe more porting initiatives on the other side.
 Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!
 
 For now we named it Neo900 - making nods to both N900 and Openmoko roots :)
 
 I'm super excited about this idea, and it seems that I'm not the only one:
 Look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
 
 You can also read logs from #maemo from yesterday and today:
 https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-25.log.html
 https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-26.log.html
 
 It seems there is some interest, and that's just on Maemo side :)
 
 What do you think?

Very good idea. If we can use the same basic design both, the GTA04 and
the Neo900 could have many common components. And adding the
number of chips bought of one type will help to reduce the purchase
price of both. So trying to merg this is to the benefit of both.

BR,
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Re: [Gta04-owner] Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone

2013-08-26 Thread Radek Polak
On Monday, August 26, 2013 01:17:09 PM Radek Polak wrote:

  To give you a simple example: on N900 maemo you have scanning period in
  settings-internet, which makes device scan for WLAN APs only every 5, 10,
  ... even 30 min. This is needed since the WLAN chip cuts thru the battery
  in less than 3 hours when you constantly scan for APs. Clearly a userland
  issue where kernel can't do much. Now you can start to blame kernel WLAN
  driver for not doing proper powersaving but that won't help establish a
  decently working usable OS on N900.
 
 I think in case of QtMoko on GTA04 we can blame kernel/HW a little bit
 more, since we are using suspend to RAM whereas N900 is always on (which
 really cool btw). So while GTA04 is in standby there should be idealy just
 PMU+RAM+modem turned on, everything else should be off. But something is
 wrong and noone has yet figured what it is. At best there is ~16mA with
 omap enable_off_mode - but then we hit imprecise external abort bug so
 currently we have ~22mA at best. If you compare this with GTA02 or N900
 it's really bad. GTA02 is 12mA and i'd say N900 is even better. Together
 with reenumerating modem it makes GTA04 barely usable even for a few
 hardcore supporters but unusable for normal users.

Btw you can try even with bare rootfs. E.g. Neil Brown is running very bare 
debian with just some custom made phone app, but the power consumption is the 
same - and it's quite expected because all the userspace is stopped in 
suspend.

Regards

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut]
 What do you think?
Hello Dos,
I think it is  great showcase how open projects can benefit from
synergy.
However I personally am not interested in HW keyboard and I will wait
until my present phone wears off, before I buy next device.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread Tomas Nackaerts
Hi all!

I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor. But 
is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem 
is quite big? And if there will be a redesign the fit the gta04 to the n900 
will it possible to update the specs a bit? faster cpu and stuff like that?

But to be honest, i will probably not buy this device if it has the same 
problems the current gta04 has. (power usage and modem enumeration)
and also i don't want to pay 600+ for a smartphone. But i hope if this idea 
takes of and there is enough interest the price will be much lower. 


greetings,

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread arne anka
the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any  
comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be  
interested.
being interested does not necessarily translate into will buy, but at  
least it would be worth to contemplate ...


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote:
 the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any
 comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be
 interested.

Oh? where did I say this? Been a communication error. Or a complete storage 
dropout ;-)  Sorry both happens to me sometimes, so I'd really be interested 
in a pointer or citation.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread arne anka
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:25:06 +0200, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org  
wrote:



On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote:

the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any
comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be
interested.


Oh? where did I say this? Been a communication error. Or a complete  
storage
dropout ;-)  Sorry both happens to me sometimes, so I'd really be  
interested

in a pointer or citation.

cheers
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know for sure there's a (comparatively) huge community

but when cp'ing it i discovered that i had read company instead of  
community. darn ...


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Mon 26 August 2013 14:35:50 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
[...]
 Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!

Indeed I consider maemo fremantle compatibility a key feature of this project, 
since fremantle is proven on OMAP3 platform, both for power management and 
general every day usability. And userbase at maemo mostly expects 
compatibility.
We (would) need to adapt GTA04 to mach resp resemble N900 enough so that all 
remaining differences can get handled on kernel/driver level.
On an encouraging sidenote, we have already at least 2 volunteers for doing 
that kernel morphing, one of them even a ex-nokian kernel maintainer \o/

There are still some _severe_ issues that need to get evaluated/tackled ASAP:
*) instabilities/issues reported for GTA04, with power management and modem
**) USB / musb core in OMAP which is a greedy hog as long as powered.
*) camera (N900 has 5MP with autofocus)
*) N900 has 32GB eMMC
*) interfacing the flex circuit board (aka ribbon cable) connection to  to 
screen half, that also has ALS, secondary (VGA?) camera, proxy sensor, 3color 
LED
*) component sourcing for speakers, antennae, et al
*) completely different charging (N900 uses bq24150)
*) AV-connector with auto-detection of headphones, headset, AV (maybe simply 
replace that in userland by a requester to pick type of cable/connection
*) audio at large, N900 has a quite different circuitry for whole audio, and 
fremantle has some nasty PA modules, some of them even closed blobs (XPROT 
speaker protection, some limiter/compressor/EQ/overtemp-cutout)

*)... I'm afraid there's more to come, that I don't see right now

Anyway, the general mood is best described by extremely excited and it seems 
it's maybe worth following this idea some further, even with the above points 
pending to get solved.

See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

I hope I didn't state anything that Nikolaus will bash me for when tomorrow he 
reads all the stuff that happened.

The poll I added on that ^^^ thread on tmo however shows that 7/8 of users are 
expecting us to compete with Samsung for the price range. Well, that been 
expected. The resulting discussion is maybe helpful nevertheless.


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
I would say, maemo fremantle is great.
if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts,
and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great.
having free hardware in n900 case it good too.
but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the
proprietary one that could be flashed from nokia images.
but the one which is possible to port to different devices. so may be
someone does not like n900 and want to use it on n9 or nexus. or
whatever phone he has.
I like SHR for that reason - there are at least a couple of platforms
supported.

08/27/13 12:57 -???, joerg Reisenweber-?  ?:
 On Mon 26 August 2013 14:35:50 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
 [...]
 Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!
 Indeed I consider maemo fremantle compatibility a key feature of this 
 project, 
 since fremantle is proven on OMAP3 platform, both for power management and 
 general every day usability. And userbase at maemo mostly expects 
 compatibility.
 We (would) need to adapt GTA04 to mach resp resemble N900 enough so that all 
 remaining differences can get handled on kernel/driver level.
 On an encouraging sidenote, we have already at least 2 volunteers for doing 
 that kernel morphing, one of them even a ex-nokian kernel maintainer \o/

 There are still some _severe_ issues that need to get evaluated/tackled ASAP:
 *) instabilities/issues reported for GTA04, with power management and modem
 **) USB / musb core in OMAP which is a greedy hog as long as powered.
 *) camera (N900 has 5MP with autofocus)
 *) N900 has 32GB eMMC
 *) interfacing the flex circuit board (aka ribbon cable) connection to  to 
 screen half, that also has ALS, secondary (VGA?) camera, proxy sensor, 3color 
 LED
 *) component sourcing for speakers, antennae, et al
 *) completely different charging (N900 uses bq24150)
 *) AV-connector with auto-detection of headphones, headset, AV (maybe simply 
 replace that in userland by a requester to pick type of cable/connection
 *) audio at large, N900 has a quite different circuitry for whole audio, and 
 fremantle has some nasty PA modules, some of them even closed blobs (XPROT 
 speaker protection, some limiter/compressor/EQ/overtemp-cutout)

 *)... I'm afraid there's more to come, that I don't see right now

 Anyway, the general mood is best described by extremely excited and it 
 seems 
 it's maybe worth following this idea some further, even with the above points 
 pending to get solved.

 See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

 I hope I didn't state anything that Nikolaus will bash me for when tomorrow 
 he 
 reads all the stuff that happened.

 The poll I added on that ^^^ thread on tmo however shows that 7/8 of users 
 are 
 expecting us to compete with Samsung for the price range. Well, that been 
 expected. The resulting discussion is maybe helpful nevertheless.


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Re: [Gta04-owner] qtmoko-eyepiece

2013-08-02 Thread correu griera
Thanks Radek!!

I have the same problem: I tried to run Eyepiece, it install the lib and I
get the error Installation failed.

Thanks a lot!! Griera


2013/7/31 Adrien Dorsaz adr...@adorsaz.ch

 Hello !

 Le mercredi 31 juillet 2013 à 16:13 +0200, Radek Polak a écrit :
  On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 08:47:59 AM Griera wrote:
 
   there is only the package for armel version.
   Thanks a lot. Griera.
 
  Should be fixed now (but not tested).
 
  BR
 
 
 
  Radek

 Thanks, now we've the package, but it doesn't find libdjvulibre21 and
 libfontconfig1 when it starts and ask to install them. I've already
 installed them and when it tries, it makes error : Installation
 failed.

 I've tried to open a PDF despite of the error message, but I've a
 message which said it cann't load plugin.

 Does someone have any hint to make it works ?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-04-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 30.04.2013 um 01:14 schrieb Christ van Willegen:

 Hi,
 
 What we could do is have a special offer at the next Fosdem. If
 _everyone_ (thousands of people...) (or 90% of the people there)
 pledges an $x amount of money, they will get a Free (as-in-speech)
 phone. That way, you can probably cut down the production cost to a
 'reasonable' amount (300-250 EUR apiece?). If there's not enough
 interest, nobody loses money, but if there is, the cost per phone is a
 lot lower than in a batch of 200-300 phones.

Yes, sure. I think there are 5000 participants every year and 90% would
likely allow to reduce the price to 300 EUR most likely including an injection
moulded case.

What is very difficult to estimate is if really 90% would pledge or i it is 9% 
or
0.9%. 300 EUR is still a lot of money.

When looking into the subscription rate of this mailing list during FOSDEM
2013 there was no significant effect :( Maybe because we did only have
visitors who already did know about OpenPhoenux.

Another thing to think about is what kind of device (i.e. feature set) we
need to offer next year so that 90% of the FOSDEM users are willing to
pledge for 300 EUR. Maybe the same features as a Galaxy S4...

Well, it could be possible to get permission by the FOSDEM organizers
to use their visitor's mailing list to ask for user opinions or running an
online opinion poll.

Recently it became clear to me how community developed software and
hardware are inherently different compared to their non-community
development counterpart.

Software can be developed easily by a community through being open
source. And since distribution of open software is cheaper than for
closed, it has even an immediate financial benefit over closed software.

This is the main argument that running a GNU/Linux installation is
cheaper than running Windows.

For community developed hardware, development by volunteers is also
cheaper. But production and distribution is always more expensive, because
of lower quantities.

In the outcome freeopen software is cheaper than closed and open
hardware is inherently more expensive. And therefore no $BRAND is
interested in opening the hardware - because it costs additional money
(starting with writing good documentation).

This fundamentally limits the success of community developed hardware. 

So unless this mechanics is better understood by society and freeopen
enthusiasts are accepting that open hardware is necessarily more expensive
than closed, there will be no big chance for open hardware.

So we can't draw the argument that freeopen hardware is cheaper.

Now you may ask why Arduino, Raspberry Pi, BeagleBoneBlack etc.
are so successful.

There is one difference: they are already cheap enough to scrap them if
they don't fulfill the requirements or if the student has learned something.

Then they are stripped down to some minimal function while nobody
would be interested in an open hardware version of a Nokia 103...

And some of these projects are part of the marketing strategy of the chip
vendor. They are interested to push their CPU to as many potential
*developers* as possible. So it is their CPU Evaluation board.

While our kind of devices can not get into high quantities by aiming at
developers, learners and DIY enthusiasts only.

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-04-29 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi,

What we could do is have a special offer at the next Fosdem. If
_everyone_ (thousands of people...) (or 90% of the people there)
pledges an $x amount of money, they will get a Free (as-in-speech)
phone. That way, you can probably cut down the production cost to a
'reasonable' amount (300-250 EUR apiece?). If there's not enough
interest, nobody loses money, but if there is, the cost per phone is a
lot lower than in a batch of 200-300 phones.

Christ van Willegen

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-04-03 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 02.04.2013 um 22:35 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli:

 On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:22:39 +0100
 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 
 So we unfortunately have to postpone the production of GTA04A5 boards,
 until someone manages to create more demand.
 
 This is a little sad, since we now have solved all technological
 problems and could start production anytime (well the longer we wait
 the more components will become EOL and have to be substituted).
 
 Anyways we will continue to support the existing GTA04A3/A4 by
 improving the kernel, boot loader etc.
 
 If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do
 Yes I've an idea and I'll continue to work on it really soon:
 Port Replicant to that phone.
 
 The current status is that I've a 3.8 kernel booting on it with
 display, input, wakelocks etc(the android stuff)...
 So far adb makes the kernel null pointers at shutdown.
 Also It's highly untested...

Is there some project page? Download link or something?

 
 Before we couldn't even get it booting correctly under replicant 4.0:
 or there were some interrupt issue, or there were some touchscreen
 isue(that I solved in that 3.8 kernel).


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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-04-03 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:59:03 +0200
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:

 
 Am 02.04.2013 um 22:35 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli:
 
  On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:22:39 +0100
  Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
  
  So we unfortunately have to postpone the production of GTA04A5
  boards, until someone manages to create more demand.
  
  This is a little sad, since we now have solved all technological
  problems and could start production anytime (well the longer we
  wait the more components will become EOL and have to be
  substituted).
  
  Anyways we will continue to support the existing GTA04A3/A4 by
  improving the kernel, boot loader etc.
  
  If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do
  Yes I've an idea and I'll continue to work on it really soon:
  Port Replicant to that phone.
  
  The current status is that I've a 3.8 kernel booting on it with
  display, input, wakelocks etc(the android stuff)...
  So far adb makes the kernel null pointers at shutdown.
  Also It's highly untested...
 
 Is there some project page? Download link or something.
Since it's not ready yet, there is no official images yet, and the
documentation on the replicant wiki is a bit outdated with reguard to
the GTA04, I prefer to make it usable first.

The repositories for the GTA04 are not even integrated yet in the build
system(people building replicant for the gta04 are expected to git
clone them by hand...).

Note that I will need help from someone having an A4(like paulk for
instance) for doing the Alsa userspace part once the kernel is
complete...

Right now the issue is to permit proper shutdown after using adb...That
is harder than expected because I cannot use kgdb(I've some toolchain
issues with DWARF/debug symbols)

Denis.

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-04-02 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:22:39 +0100
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:

 So we unfortunately have to postpone the production of GTA04A5 boards,
 until someone manages to create more demand.
 
 This is a little sad, since we now have solved all technological
 problems and could start production anytime (well the longer we wait
 the more components will become EOL and have to be substituted).
 
 Anyways we will continue to support the existing GTA04A3/A4 by
 improving the kernel, boot loader etc.
 
 If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do
Yes I've an idea and I'll continue to work on it really soon:
Port Replicant to that phone.

The current status is that I've a 3.8 kernel booting on it with
display, input, wakelocks etc(the android stuff)...
So far adb makes the kernel null pointers at shutdown.
Also It's highly untested...

Before we couldn't even get it booting correctly under replicant 4.0:
or there were some interrupt issue, or there were some touchscreen
isue(that I solved in that 3.8 kernel).

Denis.

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-04-02 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:58:10 +0100
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:

 I think there might be interest in encrypted GSM calls - those
 customers would be not worried by big price. It's just matter of
 implementing SW for it.
There are several solutions for that but using plain GSM won't work
because of the TRAU(Transcoder and Rate Adaptation Unit) in the GSM
network.
Using data calls directly would be too expensive...

So the best solution is to use encrypted SIP over the internet(like
trough a 3G connection) possibly over a VPN(because some providers
prevent SIP to go trough their networks).

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-04-02 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Tue 02 April 2013 22:42:36 Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote:
 On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:58:10 +0100
 
 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
  I think there might be interest in encrypted GSM calls - those
  customers would be not worried by big price. It's just matter of
  implementing SW for it.
 
 There are several solutions for that but using plain GSM won't work
 because of the TRAU(Transcoder and Rate Adaptation Unit) in the GSM
 network.
 Using data calls directly would be too expensive...
 
 So the best solution is to use encrypted SIP over the internet(like
 trough a 3G connection) possibly over a VPN(because some providers
 prevent SIP to go trough their networks).
 
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GPRS CSD data calls are not necessarily expensive, just incredibly hard to find 
nowadays. No carrier offers them anymore, and even most modems don't support 
it.

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-03-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 26.03.2013 um 17:00 schrieb Ed Kapitein:

 SNIP
 the kernel, boot loader etc.
 
 If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do!
 
 Nikolaus Schaller
 
 Hi Nikolaus,
 
 Thanks for your great and continued work on the GTA0x.
 
 Wouldn't it be nice if the GTA04 could be a showcase for the upcoming
 Ubuntu phone?

Yes, we are open for that. Just waiting for their phone call :)

 I think the Ubuntu phone will get a lot of attention, once it come out
 and being able to show it on the GTA04 would sure get some attention,
 and thus demand.

I think it will work only if we (i.e. someone from our community) is
porting Ubuntu touch to the GTA04.

Currently they work on these devices:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Supported_devices_and_codenames

 Just my 0.02 btc.
 
 Kind regards,
 Ed
 
 
 
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FOSDEM 2013, was: Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04 in GTA01 case and LEDs

2013-02-04 Thread Boudewijn
On Sunday 03 February 2013 14:54:11 Christ van Willegen wrote:
 I was at Fosdem, and met Nikolaus Schaller, Boudewijn and Christoph
 Mair IRL. That was a lot of fun talking to them, and discussing the
 OpenPhoenux future!

Lukas was also manning the stand, maybe he was out at that moment. We had a 
great time and many enthusiastic reactions from passers by.

As you say: nice to meet everyone (again) in real life. Besides talking to 
passers by and co-listers, we've spoken with neighbouring projects/stands. 
OpenPandora is near in stand-distance, developer team and hardware used. 
Hackable Devices was there with the last Open Source Replicator-model, and 
just not came across printing us another case (he did last year). Speaking of 
which: the 3D printed cases got their share of attention as well, especially 
Radeks indestructable aluminum case.

OpenEmbedded was next to us on the other side; we spoke with Jolla/Sailfish 
people, someone from Firefox came over to show Firefox OS running and one of 
the guys from the KDE-stand came over to discuss Plasma Active on the Letux 
7004 tablet. I am quite sure I am still forgetting a few.

As far as the stand is concerned: I think we're getting more and more 
organized around it. For those visiting: what was your impression? Ideas for 
next conventions to improve the stand?

Best regards,

Boudewijn
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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v52

2013-02-01 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday, February 01, 2013 11:08:08 AM Radek Polak wrote:

 As for future, i will try to compile rest of the apps for armhf - FBReader
 is now missing, but e.g. navit works now. I hope the base system is now
 ready so next releases can be done with apt-get upgrade.
 
 So enjoy the release!

Ahh btw, i am working also on Freerunner release. It's not that easy. I have 
decide about pulseaudio/gstreamer. We can either use them or keep our old 
cruxus media engine.

gstreamer/pulseaudio have these advantages/disadvantages:

+ it will be the same setup on GTA02 and GTA04
+ media player in qtmoko will be able to play more formats and better
+ video/sound in html5
- it adds ton of dependecies so the image might not fit in NAND

I am now trying pulse/gstreamer on GTA02. There are some problems, but if they 
are solved well i can try base the release on it. If not, it will work with 
old cruxus media engine.

Regards

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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v52

2013-02-01 Thread robin
as long as it is stable I would prefer the gta04 system on gta02, as I 
would imagine that this reduces the additional effort you already have to
build against gta02 as well.

if one would remove all the preinstalled apps from qtmoko apart from the basic
phone ones, how big would such a release be including the pulseaudio setup?
if it was small enough maybe you could release that one and then on only 
installs the apps one needs via apt-get or dpkg or some script, so people could
still have a backup qtmoko sitting in their nand.

br and thanks to all the developers how make this live!

robin


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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v52

2013-02-01 Thread Frank

Am 01.02.2013 16:15, schrieb robin:
...

.., so people could
still have a backup qtmoko sitting in their nand.

..

robin



In my NAND is a very old Version.
I upgraded only QTmoko on the uSD-Card because of this Warning:


http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/qtmoko/index.php?title=Update

Update to v35
Warning: If you installed QtMoko on NAND, DO NOT TRY TO UPDATE! 
Otherwise your phone won't boot.



Is it a HOAX ?
Or is it fixed since V36?

This site seems not to be actual.

--

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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko audio state work

2013-01-17 Thread Neil Jerram

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 01:37:58, NeilBrown wrote:
 On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:52:57 + Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net
 wrote:
 
 
  The upshot of all that is that I'm now inclined to look more again at
  the other possible solutions, i.e. gta04-gsm-voice-routing (by Radek)
  and alsaloop (as used in SHR).  The simplicity of
  gta04-gsm-voice-routing is appealing, but I know from previous
  experience that it sometimes fails completely.
 
 The only problems that I've had with gta04-gsm-voice-routing is when the
 program that plays the alert sound holds on to the audio port for some reason
 and thus blocks voice-routing from accessing it.   I could probably fix that
 with certainty by a well-placed 'kill' at the start of voice-routing but I
 want to work out why it is going wrong first (this is a little program of

QtMoko tries to cover that by running
pasuspender -- gsm-voice-routing
instead of just gsm-voice-routing.  I
think that means that voice routing only
starts once pulseaudio has let go of
the sound card.

 mine ... I think it might be confused by getting signals at bad time - I hate
 programming with signals).

:-)  I guess that's also why you don't
want to fix the problem by adding a kill.


  alsaloop in comparison
  has a drastically different and more complex design.  I'm wondering if
  gta04-gsm-voice-routing is unstable _because_ its design is overly
  simple, and if something more like alsaloop is fundamentally needed -
  but I haven't yet worked out even how to start analysing that; any ideas
  would be most welcome.  Also, if we did go with alsaloop, I've no idea
  yet how we might try to add in echo cancellation.
 
 alsaloop is 923 lines while gsm-voice-routing is 673 lines. That isn't
 drastically more complex.
 The main value-add seems to be sample-rate matching which doesn't seem to be
 a big problem in practice (if you  need  it but don't have it you get
 occasional clicks.  I don't get any clicks).

There's also the big difference - at least
to me - that alsaloop is select-driven,
so reads from capture into alsaloop's buffer happen independently of writes 
from the buffer to playback.

 
 What sort of stability problems do/did you experience with gsm-voice-routing?

On several occasions, on receipt of a real incoming call, I've just got a kind
of distorted quiet growling noise
instead of proper audio from the far
end.  On the other hand, whenever
I'm just testing, the audio almost
always works.  I wonder if the rest of
the phone is using more CPU for a real
incoming call than when I'm testing,
and if that affects how gsm-voice-routing
starts up.

Well, you've encouraged me to try
more with gsm-voice-routing.  I think
I need to understand more about _how_
it fails, when it does, and I should be
able to discover that by adding more
logging.

Can I just check: is your gsm-voice-routing
code the same as in QtMoko?

Many thanks,
Neil
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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko audio state work

2013-01-17 Thread Radek Polak
On Thursday, January 17, 2013 02:50:54 PM Neil Jerram wrote:

 On several occasions, on receipt of a real incoming call, I've just got a
 kind of distorted quiet growling noise
 instead of proper audio from the far
 end. 

For me the growling took just one 1 second - IMO it was some old recorded 
sample and after it finished the program was working normally.

The biggest problem was for me the volume - once i raised it, the echo 
cancelation was not working good. Maybe WebRTC has better algorithms then 
speex?

You can also try to play with alsa record/playback buffer sizes. The smaller 
the buffers are the smaller will be delay between recording and playing. And 
last thing that can be tried is speex AEC settings. Thats the line:

speex_echo_state_init(256, 8192);

Basically the gsm-voice-routing should work like this:

rec UMTS - SEND to AEC - play on earpiece
rec MIC  - cancel echo - play on UMTS

cancel echo works by substracting rec MIC - rec UMTS. It would be quite 
interesting to dump the recored sounds and also the AEC'ed sound to files and 
open them in some program to see how the sounds are shifted in time and to see 
how the AEC works.

IIRC speex has also another cancelling mode besides speex_echo_cancellation() 
function.

Hmmm maybe i could start playing with it again - after one year i can find 
something new.

Regards

Radek

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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko audio state work

2013-01-17 Thread NeilBrown
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:43:19 +0100 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:


  The simplicity of
  gta04-gsm-voice-routing is appealing, but I know from previous
  experience that it sometimes fails completely.
 
 For me the problem was that some other program had soundcard open and gta04-
 gsm-voice-routing couldnt open it. If all programs use pulseadio then it can 
 be solved with pasuspender, but i wish that alsa had the same functionality. 
 Then we could get rid of pulseaudio. Maybe something like this could be 
 achieved using alsa plugins.

The dmix alsa plugin is intended for this purpose.  If it is active, then
multiple clients can open the device and the sounds they write get mixed
together and played.
A problem with this is that dmix imposes a fixed  (I think) sample size,
which implies a fixed latency which is probably more than the latency we
want.  gsm-voice-routing is quite latency sensitive, both for quality-of-call
and for effectiveness of the echo cancelling.

NeilBrown


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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko audio state work

2013-01-17 Thread NeilBrown
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:50:54 + Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net
wrote:


  
  What sort of stability problems do/did you experience with 
  gsm-voice-routing?
 
 On several occasions, on receipt of a real incoming call, I've just got a kind
 of distorted quiet growling noise
 instead of proper audio from the far
 end.  On the other hand, whenever
 I'm just testing, the audio almost
 always works.  I wonder if the rest of
 the phone is using more CPU for a real
 incoming call than when I'm testing,
 and if that affects how gsm-voice-routing
 starts up.
 
 Well, you've encouraged me to try
 more with gsm-voice-routing.  I think
 I need to understand more about _how_
 it fails, when it does, and I should be
 able to discover that by adding more
 logging.
 
 Can I just check: is your gsm-voice-routing
 code the same as in QtMoko?
 

Not exactly :-)
I've just pushed out the code that I'm using to
   git://neil.brown.name/gta04-gsm-voice-routing
(master branch).
I thought I'd made more changes than it seems that I have...
Just:

--- a/gsm-voice-routing.c
+++ b/gsm-voice-routing.c
@@ -596,6 +596,11 @@ int main()
 open_route_stream_repeated(p0);
 open_route_stream_repeated(r0);
 
+while (route_stream_read(r1))
+   ;
+snd_pcm_start(r0.handle);
+snd_pcm_start(r1.handle);
+
 /* Route sound */
 while (!terminating) {
 

NeilBrown



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Re: GTA04-Screen size

2013-01-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 04.01.2013 um 00:02 schrieb Travis Bachelder:

 In reference to the Ubuntu OS development, Have we thought about making the 
 GTA04 screen larger? What are the limitations with this?

Main limitations: needs new case design and a larger display backlight needs a 
bigger battery.

But we already have GTA04 variants with larger displays:

* http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=OpenPhoenux%203704
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKUVtGp_AmY

Nikolaus


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Re: GTA04-Screen size

2013-01-04 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday, January 04, 2013 10:42:39 AM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

 Am 04.01.2013 um 00:02 schrieb Travis Bachelder:
  In reference to the Ubuntu OS development, Have we thought about making
  the GTA04 screen larger? What are the limitations with this?
 
 Main limitations: needs new case design and a larger display backlight
 needs a bigger battery.
 
 But we already have GTA04 variants with larger displays:
 
 * http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=OpenPhoenux%203704
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKUVtGp_AmY

Also for bigger display resolution you need faster CPU/graphics. 800x480 would 
be ok - but those few pixels are not worth IMO. HD on our omap3 could be 
sluggish. We can check how beagleboard performs. But keep in mind that what 
can be ok for desktop can be slow for phone where you need e.g. fullscreen 
scrolling.

Regards

Radek


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Re: [Gta04-owner] Linux 3.7 for gta04 ARM architectures can use one single vanilla Linux kernel

2012-12-26 Thread Glenn

On 11/12/12 05.52, NeilBrown wrote:

Now that 3.7 is out, my 'mainline' branch in
   git://neil.brown.name/gta04

has a 3.7 based kernel that seems to work on the gta04.

I say seems to because I don't seem to charge the battery and there are
possibly other things that don't work - I've only done limited testing.

I've included the f2fs filesystem in this release as I think it is
something worth experimenting with on uSD cards.  I plan to move my root
filesystem to f2fs once I'm happy that 3.7 is stable.

I don't recommend using this as the base for a distro as it isn't tested much
and I plan do do some development work on.  When I think it is stable and
decide to leave it alone for a while and create a 3.7-gta04 branch to hold it.

I might push to to github too, but neil.brown.name now has much better
network connectivity so you should have no problems using it directly.

Bug reports, success report, patches etc etc always welcome.

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Will we (GTA0x-owners) also benefit from this?:

Linux 3.7 arrives, ARM developers rejoice:
http://www.zdnet.com/linux-3-7-arrives-arm-developers-rejoice-708638/
Quote: ...
Now with 3.7, ARM architectures can use one single vanilla Linux kernel 
http://lwn.net/Articles/496400/ while keeping their special device 
sauce in device trees.

...
The end result is that ARM developers will be able to boot and run Linux 
on their devices and then worry about getting all the extras to work. 
This will save them, and the Linux kernel developers, a great deal of 
time and trouble.

...
[GTA05?:]
Just as good for those ARM architects and programmers who are working on 
high-end, 64-bit ARM systems, Linux now supports 64-bit ARM processors. 
64-bit ARM CPUs won't ship until in commercial quantities until 2013 
http://www.zdnet.com/amd-unveils-plans-for-64-bit-arm-processors-for-servers-706549/



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Re: [Gta04-owner] Linux 3.7 for gta04 ARM architectures can use one single vanilla Linux kernel

2012-12-26 Thread Glenn

On 26/12/12 13.10, Glenn wrote:



...

Will we (GTA0x-owners) also benefit from this?:

Linux 3.7 arrives, ARM developers rejoice:
http://www.zdnet.com/linux-3-7-arrives-arm-developers-rejoice-708638/
Quote: ...
Now with 3.7, ARM architectures can use one single vanilla Linux 
kernel http://lwn.net/Articles/496400/ while keeping their special 
device sauce in device trees.

...
The end result is that ARM developers will be able to boot and run 
Linux on their devices and then worry about getting all the extras to 
work. This will save them, and the Linux kernel developers, a great 
deal of time and trouble.

...
[GTA05?:]
Just as good for those ARM architects and programmers who are working 
on high-end, 64-bit ARM systems, Linux now supports 64-bit ARM 
processors. 64-bit ARM CPUs won't ship until in commercial quantities 
until 2013 
http://www.zdnet.com/amd-unveils-plans-for-64-bit-arm-processors-for-servers-706549/



Glenn


October 7, 2012, One Linux for all ARM systems:
http://www.zdnet.com/one-linux-for-all-arm-systems-705348/

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Re: [Gta04-owner] looking for used (or broken) GTA02 (whole or PCB) to purchase

2012-12-26 Thread arne anka
try to contact dr nick directly -- if i undertstood correctly, he should  
have a bunch of those pcbs w/o something sensible to do with them.



Is there anybody have broken screen GTA02 for sale?
or maybe intact PCB after upgrade to GTA04?

I'll be appreciate for reasonable price or maybe somebody just could  
give it for free (almost free) after upgrade.


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Re: [Gta04-owner] [Community] QtMoko v49

2012-11-19 Thread Radek Polak
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 07:19:21 PM arne anka wrote:

 ok, that's another one of my questions: why doesn't qtmoko run as
 non-root? is root access necessary for normal operation?

Qtopia was done by Trolltech guys to run as root.

It can run under regular user, but it needs access to some files like devices 
nodes for input, framebuffer, talking to modem, sysfs for reading battery 
etc... This is what Stefan is doing here https://github.com/strupppi/qtmoko/

On the other hand - if you allow access to all of these devices then there is 
not much difference from security point of view. Applications with full access 
to modem can easily do something nasty...

IMO from security point of view it would be best to have different users with 
different permissions for each application. And i would start with web 
browser...

On the other hand - you have source code and you can easily verify that it 
does not do anything malicious.

Regards

Radek

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Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v49

2012-11-18 Thread Neil Jerram
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes:

 Hi,
 QtMoko v49 for GTA04 is now available [1]. There have been really many 
 changes 
 this time so be careful :)

For me, after installing this, pulseaudio fails to start up.  The log
has repeating messages log this:

...
Jan  1 00:50:10 neo pulse.sh: Starting pulseaudio
Jan  1 00:50:11 neo pulse.sh: W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run 
as root (unless --system is specified).
Jan  1 00:50:11 neo pulse.sh: E: module-console-kit.c: GetSessionsForUnixUser() 
call failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute 
program /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success
Jan  1 00:50:11 neo pulse.sh: E: module.c: Failed to load  module 
module-console-kit (argument: ): initialization failed.
Jan  1 00:50:11 neo pulse.sh: E: main.c: Module load failed.
Jan  1 00:50:11 neo pulse.sh: E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon.
Jan  1 00:50:11 neo pulse.sh: Starting pulseaudio
Jan  1 00:50:11 neo pulse.sh: W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run 
as root (unless --system is specified).
Jan  1 00:50:12 neo pulse.sh: E: module-console-kit.c: GetSessionsForUnixUser() 
call failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute 
program /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success
Jan  1 00:50:12 neo pulse.sh: E: module.c: Failed to load  module 
module-console-kit (argument: ): initialization failed.
Jan  1 00:50:12 neo pulse.sh: E: main.c: Module load failed.
Jan  1 00:50:12 neo pulse.sh: E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon.
...

and average load (according to top) is about 1.3, which makes other UI
operations on the phone sluggish.

This is after a real vanilla installation with a newly downloaded v49
tarball.  After unpacking the tarball I did restore a few things under
/etc/ssh and /home/root (per the backup/restore thread), but I doubt
that those would be the cause of this pulseaudio startup problem.

Regards,
Neil

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Re: [Gta04-owner] [Community] QtMoko v49

2012-11-18 Thread arne anka
W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless   
--system is

specified).


ok, that's another one of my questions: why doesn't qtmoko run as  
non-root? is root access necessary for normal operation?


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Re: GTA04 sound

2012-11-13 Thread Griera
Hi:

I confirm that with the meeting profile, I can hear the voice from the
telephone call.

Thanks a lot. Regards. Griera.


On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:00:54 +0100
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:

 On Monday, November 12, 2012 05:29:53 PM Griera wrote:
 
  Hi:
  
  My OpenPhoenux GTA04 arrived! Thanks all for the work!!
  
  I installed QTMoko v48 (thanks a lot, Radek) downloaded from:
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA04/
  
  Sometimes I have a serious problem with sound (I never had this problem
  with GTA02):
  
- Incoming calls do not result in any audio tone but the call actually
  received.
 
 Hi,
 there is something wrong with ringtones playback - it keeps the sound card 
 open. You can workaround it by setting meeting profile (no ringtones, but the 
 phone will vibrate). You can do this by going to Settings-Ringtones and 
 profiles-select meeting-select Activate from context menu.
 
 I am currenyly working on solution, but it will take a few days or maybe 
 weeks.
 
  On the home screen there are two icons: 1.sh and 2.sh. What are they?
 
 I dont think they do anything useful now. They are executed in early boot 
 (initramfs). You can use those scripts e.g. for some custom booting - like 
 squashfs, tmpfs or nfs image.
 
  After installing v48 QTMoko the NAND home screen icon does not work.
 
 You would have to flash QtMoko to NAND. But this is not working good and is 
 even discouraged. It's best to keep the stock hw validation distribution in 
 NAND. On GTA04 SD card works fast and reliably so there is not much reason to 
 do any flashing.
 
 Regards
 
 Radek

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Re: GTA04 sound

2012-11-12 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hello Griera,

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Griera gri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sometimes I have a serious problem with sound (I never had this problem with 
 GTA02):

   - Incoming calls do not result in any audio tone but the call actually 
 received.

   - When someone calls me and I pick up the phone, I do not hear the voice of 
 the other.

   - If you launch the media player, I can not hear the sound of the song.

Change the 'Profile' to Meeting. Unfortunately, it's a known problem.
Radek's working on it...

Christ van Willegen
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Re: GTA04 sound

2012-11-12 Thread Radek Polak
On Monday, November 12, 2012 05:29:53 PM Griera wrote:

 Hi:
 
 My OpenPhoenux GTA04 arrived! Thanks all for the work!!
 
 I installed QTMoko v48 (thanks a lot, Radek) downloaded from:
 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA04/
 
 Sometimes I have a serious problem with sound (I never had this problem
 with GTA02):
 
   - Incoming calls do not result in any audio tone but the call actually
 received.

Hi,
there is something wrong with ringtones playback - it keeps the sound card 
open. You can workaround it by setting meeting profile (no ringtones, but the 
phone will vibrate). You can do this by going to Settings-Ringtones and 
profiles-select meeting-select Activate from context menu.

I am currenyly working on solution, but it will take a few days or maybe 
weeks.

 On the home screen there are two icons: 1.sh and 2.sh. What are they?

I dont think they do anything useful now. They are executed in early boot 
(initramfs). You can use those scripts e.g. for some custom booting - like 
squashfs, tmpfs or nfs image.

 After installing v48 QTMoko the NAND home screen icon does not work.

You would have to flash QtMoko to NAND. But this is not working good and is 
even discouraged. It's best to keep the stock hw validation distribution in 
NAND. On GTA04 SD card works fast and reliably so there is not much reason to 
do any flashing.

Regards

Radek

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Re: GTA04 sound

2012-11-12 Thread correu griera
Thanks Christ and Radek:

2012/11/12, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz:
 On Monday, November 12, 2012 05:29:53 PM Griera wrote:
 Hi:

 My OpenPhoenux GTA04 arrived! Thanks all for the work!!

 I installed QTMoko v48 (thanks a lot, Radek) downloaded from:

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA04/

 Sometimes I have a serious problem with sound (I never had this problem
 with GTA02):

   - Incoming calls do not result in any audio tone but the call actually
 received.

 Hi,
 there is something wrong with ringtones playback - it keeps the sound card
 open. You can workaround it by setting meeting profile (no ringtones, but
 the
 phone will vibrate). You can do this by going to Settings-Ringtones and
 profiles-select meeting-select Activate from context menu.

You are right. I rebooted the GTA04 after activating the meeting
profile, and now I can hear the music from media player

Tomorrow I will test if I can hear the phone call voice.


 I am currenyly working on solution, but it will take a few days or maybe
 weeks.

Don't worry. If I can use the phone, the problem c'est pas grave!

I greatly appreciate the efforts you make!!

Regards. Griera.



 On the home screen there are two icons: 1.sh and 2.sh. What are they?

 I dont think they do anything useful now. They are executed in early boot
 (initramfs). You can use those scripts e.g. for some custom booting - like
 squashfs, tmpfs or nfs image.

 After installing v48 QTMoko the NAND home screen icon does not work.

 You would have to flash QtMoko to NAND. But this is not working good and is

 even discouraged. It's best to keep the stock hw validation distribution in

 NAND. On GTA04 SD card works fast and reliably so there is not much reason
 to
 do any flashing.

 Regards

 Radek


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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-11-09 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:11:06 Michaël Parchet wrote:
 Le 30 oct. 2012 à 17:27, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk a écrit 
:
  On Monday 29 October 2012 20:16:34 Michael Parchet wrote:
  Hello,
  
  The switzerland mobile phone providers will prepare the LTE (4g) network.
  
  Do you think to make a 4g matherboard gta05 ?
  
  Option now have LTE modules, but they are a little bigger than the gtm601u
  in the GTA04 so aren't quite a drop-in replacement. They do say the 601
  will fit on the footprint of the 801 though, so they are probably
  electrically compatible.
  
  http://www.option.com/en/products/products/lgamodulegtm801u/
 
 Hello,
 
 Do you test this 4g card in a freerunner ?

No. It wouldn't fit in a freerunner (GTA02). I pointed it out because it is 
from the same supplier as the 3G module in the GTA04 and appears intended to 
be interchangable, but is slightly bigger. It would be a way for 
GoldenDelicious to offer 4G with minimal redesign of the GTA04, or perhaps put 
them on the GTA04 without modification _IF_ there's enough space. Whether they 
feel enough people will buy one to make the extra work worthwhile is another 
matter entirely.

 Is this card compatible 3g ?

Yes. Follow the link and it shows you which standards and radio bands it works 
in. Note the limited 4G bands, meaning it won't work with 4G in some 
countries, a limitation that seems to apply to all 4G products at the moment.

 Best regarda
 
 mparchet
 
  In my opinion, with only a 3g maserboard, the future freerunner will
  be quickly out of date.
  
  Whath's your opinion ?
  
  Any low volume product that isn't backed by a big corporate is going to be
  a bit behind the times simply because the manufacturers won't release
  
  That said, the 4G issue looks like a relatively easy problem to solve.
  Getting the economics to work seems to be the biggest hurdle at the
  moment. 
  Best regards
  
  mparchet
  
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-11-09 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:11:06 Michaël Parchet wrote:
 Le 30 oct. 2012 à 17:27, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk a écrit 
:
  On Monday 29 October 2012 20:16:34 Michael Parchet wrote:
  Hello,
  
  The switzerland mobile phone providers will prepare the LTE (4g) network.
  
  Do you think to make a 4g matherboard gta05 ?
  
  Option now have LTE modules, but they are a little bigger than the gtm601u
  in the GTA04 so aren't quite a drop-in replacement. They do say the 601
  will fit on the footprint of the 801 though, so they are probably
  electrically compatible.
  
  http://www.option.com/en/products/products/lgamodulegtm801u/
 
 Hello,
 
 Do you test this 4g card in a freerunner ?

No. It wouldn't fit in a freerunner (GTA02). I pointed it out because it is 
from the same supplier as the 3G module in the GTA04 and appears intended to 
be interchangable, but is slightly bigger. It would be a way for 
GoldenDelicious to offer 4G with minimal redesign of the GTA04, or perhaps put 
them on the GTA04 without modification _IF_ there's enough space. Whether they 
feel enough people will buy one to make the extra work worthwhile is another 
matter entirely.

 Is this card compatible 3g ?

Yes. Follow the link and it shows you which standards and radio bands it works 
in. Note the limited 4G bands, meaning it won't work with 4G in some 
countries, a limitation that seems to apply to all 4G products at the moment.

 Best regarda
 
 mparchet
 
  In my opinion, with only a 3g maserboard, the future freerunner will
  be quickly out of date.
  
  Whath's your opinion ?
  
  Any low volume product that isn't backed by a big corporate is going to be
  a bit behind the times simply because the manufacturers won't release
  
  That said, the 4G issue looks like a relatively easy problem to solve.
  Getting the economics to work seems to be the biggest hurdle at the
  moment. 
  Best regards
  
  mparchet
  
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-11-08 Thread Michaël Parchet

Le 30 oct. 2012 à 17:27, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk a écrit :

 On Monday 29 October 2012 20:16:34 Michael Parchet wrote:
 Hello,
 
 The switzerland mobile phone providers will prepare the LTE (4g) network.
 
 Do you think to make a 4g matherboard gta05 ?
 
 Option now have LTE modules, but they are a little bigger than the gtm601u in 
 the GTA04 so aren't quite a drop-in replacement. They do say the 601 will fit 
 on the footprint of the 801 though, so they are probably electrically 
 compatible.
   http://www.option.com/en/products/products/lgamodulegtm801u/

Hello,

Do you test this 4g card in a freerunner ?

Is this card compatible 3g ?

Best regarda

mparchet
 
 In my opinion, with only a 3g maserboard, the future freerunner will
 be quickly out of date.
 
 Whath's your opinion ?
 
 Any low volume product that isn't backed by a big corporate is going to be a 
 bit behind the times simply because the manufacturers won't release 
 
 That said, the 4G issue looks like a relatively easy problem to solve. 
 Getting 
 the economics to work seems to be the biggest hurdle at the moment.
 
 Best regards
 
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-11-02 Thread Michael Parchet
Hello,

Could you inform me when the 3g or the 4g  motherboard, or best, a
freerunner with this will be available by a supplier ?

Tanks by advance.

mparchet




2012/10/30 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk:
 On Monday 29 October 2012 20:16:34 Michael Parchet wrote:
 Hello,

 The switzerland mobile phone providers will prepare the LTE (4g) network.

 Do you think to make a 4g matherboard gta05 ?

 Option now have LTE modules, but they are a little bigger than the gtm601u in
 the GTA04 so aren't quite a drop-in replacement. They do say the 601 will fit
 on the footprint of the 801 though, so they are probably electrically
 compatible.
 http://www.option.com/en/products/products/lgamodulegtm801u/

 In my opinion, with only a 3g maserboard, the future freerunner will
 be quickly out of date.

 Whath's your opinion ?

 Any low volume product that isn't backed by a big corporate is going to be a
 bit behind the times simply because the manufacturers won't release

 That said, the 4G issue looks like a relatively easy problem to solve. Getting
 the economics to work seems to be the biggest hurdle at the moment.

 Best regards

 mparchet


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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-30 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 29 October 2012 20:16:34 Michael Parchet wrote:
 Hello,
 
 The switzerland mobile phone providers will prepare the LTE (4g) network.
 
 Do you think to make a 4g matherboard gta05 ?

Option now have LTE modules, but they are a little bigger than the gtm601u in 
the GTA04 so aren't quite a drop-in replacement. They do say the 601 will fit 
on the footprint of the 801 though, so they are probably electrically 
compatible.
http://www.option.com/en/products/products/lgamodulegtm801u/

 In my opinion, with only a 3g maserboard, the future freerunner will
 be quickly out of date.

 Whath's your opinion ?

Any low volume product that isn't backed by a big corporate is going to be a 
bit behind the times simply because the manufacturers won't release 

That said, the 4G issue looks like a relatively easy problem to solve. Getting 
the economics to work seems to be the biggest hurdle at the moment.
 
 Best regards
 
 mparchet


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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-29 Thread Michael Parchet
Hi,

I'm waiting for an openmoko freerunner phone with gta04 or more recent.

Do you know when it will available ?

Best regards

mparchet

2012/10/28 Xavier Maillard xav...@maillard.im:
 Hi,

 It might be a good idea to have such a survey on your website
 on what components people excpect on their tablet.

 I second that (if that's important).

 Xavier
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-29 Thread Michael Parchet
Hello,

The switzerland mobile phone providers will prepare the LTE (4g) network.

Do you think to make a 4g matherboard gta05 ?

In my opinion, with only a 3g maserboard, the future freerunner will
be quickly out of date.

Whath's your opinion ?

Best regards

mparchet

2012/10/29 Michael Parchet mparc...@sunrise.ch:
 Hi,

 I'm waiting for an openmoko freerunner phone with gta04 or more recent.

 Do you know when it will available ?

 Best regards

 mparchet

 2012/10/28 Xavier Maillard xav...@maillard.im:
 Hi,

 It might be a good idea to have such a survey on your website
 on what components people excpect on their tablet.

 I second that (if that's important).

 Xavier
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-28 Thread Xavier Maillard
Hi,

 It might be a good idea to have such a survey on your website
 on what components people excpect on their tablet.

I second that (if that's important).

Xavier
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-27 Thread Lukas Märdian
Am 26.10.2012 22:08, schrieb Radek Polak:
 On Friday, October 26, 2012 09:00:52 PM Onen wrote:
 a though crossed my mind. Would that make sense, to create the inner
 part of the phone, but compatible with an existing case. For example,
 let's say you make a phone compatible with case and screen of an iphone
 1, or 2, or any other phone which had great success. This could provide
 a lot of spare parts for little cost.

 Does that make any sense?

 If you can buy the case as separate part for reasonable price then it could. 
 But i dont think iPhone case can be bought separately. And you have to take 
 into account how fast are all these devices obsolete.

Another problem with commercial cases are its displays and the display
connectors/protocol particularly. As there is no documentation available
for e.g. iphone displays we would have to reverse engineer them.

 Btw i have talked with guy who designed aluminium CNC made case for 
 Freerunner/GTA04. His main problem (and i hit the problem too with wooden 
 case) is that the PCB shape and buttons on it are quite complicated. If it 
 was 
 flat rectangle it would be much easier. Also some parts need quite high 
 precision - like the earpiece or gsm antenna - i am still surprised that it 
 still works in my printed case...

The 3D printing technology works barely. Some parts had to be modified
to be printable. In my latest version of the printed case I modified the
Earpiece connector to fit the original Phillips earpiece, this works
pretty good now.

Cheers,
  Lukas
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-26 Thread Onen

Hi,

a though crossed my mind. Would that make sense, to create the inner 
part of the phone, but compatible with an existing case. For example, 
let's say you make a phone compatible with case and screen of an iphone 
1, or 2, or any other phone which had great success. This could provide 
a lot of spare parts for little cost.


Does that make any sense?

Onen


On 10/22/2012 05:10 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


A rough estimate for smallest quantities (e.g. 5 units):

* a GTA04 (custom) board inside - could become cheaper if no UMTS  GPS 
capabilities
* a Sharp LQ070Y3DG3B display [1] ~130 EUR (incl. VAT) @ Avnet Express [2]
* Battery ~30 EUR (incl. VAT)
* PCB + internal components incl. production ~50-100 EUR (incl. VAT)
* Shapeways case ~77 EUR (incl. VAT)
* plus UMTS antenna, GPS antenna (if wanted) ~30 EUR

If someone knows a cheaper source for a display than [2], please let us know.

Provided there is enough interest, we could offer a kit made of battery and
complete PCB and offer the required GTA04-Custom variant (there are some
connectors not  installed). And everyone could buy a display and a Shapeways
case whereever he/she likes.

Would that be interesting to have components DIY? Or would there
be more interest in completely assembled devices?

Nikolaus

[1] http://www.panelook.com/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7.0_LCM_overview_9649.html
[2] http://octopart.com/partsearch#search/requestDataq=%20LQ070Y3DG3B
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-26 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday, October 26, 2012 09:00:52 PM Onen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 a though crossed my mind. Would that make sense, to create the inner
 part of the phone, but compatible with an existing case. For example,
 let's say you make a phone compatible with case and screen of an iphone
 1, or 2, or any other phone which had great success. This could provide
 a lot of spare parts for little cost.
 
 Does that make any sense?

If you can buy the case as separate part for reasonable price then it could. 
But i dont think iPhone case can be bought separately. And you have to take 
into account how fast are all these devices obsolete.

Btw i have talked with guy who designed aluminium CNC made case for 
Freerunner/GTA04. His main problem (and i hit the problem too with wooden 
case) is that the PCB shape and buttons on it are quite complicated. If it was 
flat rectangle it would be much easier. Also some parts need quite high 
precision - like the earpiece or gsm antenna - i am still surprised that it 
still works in my printed case...

Regards

Radek

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-24 Thread Neil Jerram
Gilles Filippini gilles.filipp...@free.fr writes:

From what I understand, the emdebian repository had its toolchains
 upgraded on the 23/10/2012 [1]. It may be broken at the moment: it's now
 impossible to create a pdebuild chroot with my scripts :(

 [1] http://emdebian.org/debian/pool/main/g/

 I'll have a deeper look this evening.

 Thanks,

Thanks; I'm happy to have discovered a real problem and not just PEBKAC.
:-)

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-23 Thread Neil Jerram
Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net writes:

 Gilles Filippini gilles.filipp...@free.fr writes:

 Hi,

 Neil Jerram a écrit , Le 05/10/2012 19:36:
 Could you also outline how to build QtMoko for armhf?  Presumably another 
 toolchain is needed.

 Not sure about which method Radek uses, but there are some directions in
 debian/README.source to build with pdebuild-cross.

 Thanks, I'll try that.

I've followed the instructions in debian/README.source.  There were a
couple of things I had to infer - possibly wrongly - and the last step
in the recommended workflow doesn't get very far at all for me - so I'd
appreciate if you could review the following.

First, I guessed that all the example workflow steps should be run in
the root of the QtMoko tree.  Is that right?

Second, I found that the pdebuild-cross-create step created an armel
chroot.  I then copied debian/pdebuild-cross/pdebuild-cross.rc to
/etc/pdebuild-cross/ and debian/pdebuild-cross/multistrap-* to
/etc/multistrap/ and reran the pdebuild-cross-create step, and it looked
better:

  ...

  Multistrap system installed successfully in /var/lib/pdebuild-cross/build/.

  Compressing multistrap system in '/var/lib/pdebuild-cross/build/' to a 
tarball called: 'pdebuild-cross-armhf-wheezy-4.7.tar.gz'.

  Removing build directory: '/var/lib/pdebuild-cross/build/'

  Multistrap system packaged successfully as 
'/var/lib/pdebuild-cross/pdebuild-cross-armhf-wheezy-4.7.tar.gz'.

Was installing those configs the right thing to do?

Next the fix-pdebuild-cross step, which looked fine apart from these
warnings:

  ...
  W: /root/.pbuilderrc does not exist
  ...
  dpkg-architecture: warning: specified GNU system type arm-linux-gnueabihf 
does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu, try setting a correct CC 
environment variable
  ...

Do those indicate that I missed something?

Next the QtMoko build step as per README.source:

  neil@neil-laptop:~/qtv46/qtmoko$ CROSSARCH=armhf CROSSVERS=4.7 DIST=sid 
QTMOKO_DEVICES=gta04 pdebuild-cross
  Need to create a new pbuilder crossbuilding chroot first.
  Use pdebuild-cross-create to create one.

I guessed that the 'sid' here might be a typo, and so tried 'wheezy'
instead, but it still didn't get very far:

  neil@neil-laptop:~/qtv46/qtmoko$ CROSSARCH=armhf CROSSVERS=4.7 DIST=wheezy 
QTMOKO_DEVICES=gta04 pdebuild-cross
  W: /home/neil/.pbuilderrc does not exist
  dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libts-dev libspeexdsp-dev quilt
  W: Unmet build-dependency in source
  dpkg-buildpackage: source package qtmoko
  dpkg-buildpackage: source version 48-1
  dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz
  dpkg-architecture: warning: specified GNU system type arm-linux-gnueabihf 
does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu, try setting a correct CC 
environment variable
   dpkg-source --before-build qtmoko
   fakeroot debian/rules clean
  cp debian/control-src debian/control
  for device in gta04; do \
cat debian/control-$device  debian/control; \
done
  dh clean
 dh_testdir
 debian/rules override_dh_auto_clean
  make[1]: Entering directory `/home/neil/qtv46/qtmoko'
  # If needed, revert QT_VERSION specific patches
  if [ $(basename $(readlink -f debian/patches/series)) != series-main ]; 
then \
if quilt app; then \
quilt pop -a; \
fi; \
ln -fs series-main debian/patches/series; \
fi
  for device in gta04; do \
[ ! -f 
devices/$device/mkspecs/qws/linux-native-g++/qmake.conf.orig ] || mv 
devices/$device/mkspecs/qws/linux-native-g++/qmake.conf.orig 
devices/$device/mkspecs/qws/linux-native-g++/qmake.conf; \
rm -fr ../build-$device; \
done
  rm -f sdk/LICENSE.QtopiaGPL
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/neil/qtv46/qtmoko'
 dh_clean
   dpkg-source -b qtmoko
  dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream 
tarball found at ../qtmoko_48.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}
  dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b qtmoko gave error exit status 255

Do you know what is going wrong here?  I can provide the complete
transcript if it's needed.

Many thanks,
Neil

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-23 Thread Neil Jerram
Gilles Filippini gilles.filipp...@free.fr writes:

 The orig.tar.gz tarball has to be created before-hand, using the
 'get-orig-source' target of debian/rules:
  $ ./debian/rules get-orig-source

Thanks, my build seems to be chugging along nicely now.

It looks like building this way will use the 4.8.2 versions of libqt*
packages already in wheezy/armhf.  Is that right?  (That should save
lots of build time, as the building of QtWebkit always seems to take
ages, so I hope it's right!)

Also, assuming this method of building is successful, can I safely
remote the xapt and *-cross packages that I have in my normal
(i.e. non-chroot) wheezy rootfs?

Thanks,
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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-23 Thread Neil Jerram
Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net writes:

 Gilles Filippini gilles.filipp...@free.fr writes:

 The orig.tar.gz tarball has to be created before-hand, using the
 'get-orig-source' target of debian/rules:
  $ ./debian/rules get-orig-source

 Thanks, my build seems to be chugging along nicely now.

I spoke a bit too soon...

  neil@neil-laptop:~/qtv46/qtmoko$ CROSSARCH=armhf CROSSVERS=4.7 DIST=wheezy 
QTMOKO_DEVICES=gta04 pdebuild-cross
  ...
  dpkg: warning: downgrading libgomp1-armhf-cross from 4.7.2-4 to 4.7.1-7
  Preparing to replace libgomp1-armhf-cross 4.7.2-4 (using 
.../libgomp1-armhf-cross_4.7.1-7_all.deb) ...
  ...
  dpkg: warning: downgrading libstdc++6-armhf-cross from 4.7.2-4 to 4.7.1-7
  Preparing to replace libstdc++6-armhf-cross 4.7.2-4 (using 
.../libstdc++6-armhf-cross_4.7.1-7_all.deb) ...
  ...
  dpkg: warning: downgrading linux-libc-dev-armhf-cross from 3.2.30-1 to 
3.2.23-1
  Preparing to replace linux-libc-dev-armhf-cross 3.2.30-1 (using 
.../linux-libc-dev-armhf-cross_3.2.23-1_all.deb) ...
  ...
  Setting up libqt4-declarative-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Setting up libqt4-designer-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Setting up libqt4-help-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Setting up libqt4-qt3support-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Setting up libqt4-scripttools-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Setting up libqt4-svg-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Setting up libqt4-dev-bin-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Setting up libqt4-dev-armhf-cross (4:4.8.2+dfsg-2) ...
  Reading package lists...
  Building dependency tree...
  Reading state information...
  Correcting dependencies... Done
  The following extra packages will be installed:
libgcc1-armhf-cross libgomp1-armhf-cross libstdc++6-armhf-cross
  The following packages will be upgraded:
libgcc1-armhf-cross libgomp1-armhf-cross libstdc++6-armhf-cross
  3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
  Need to get 332 kB of archives.
  After this operation, 886 kB of additional disk space will be used.
  Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Abort.
  E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
  I: Copying back the cached apt archive contents
  I: unmounting dev/pts filesystem
  I: unmounting proc filesystem
  I: cleaning the build env 
  I: removing directory /var/lib/pdebuild-cross/build//15252 and its 
subdirectories
  neil@neil-laptop:~/qtv46/qtmoko$ 

Do you know the reason for that 'Abort'?  As the transcript shows, the
problematic packages appear to be those that were previously flagged as
being downgraded.  I tried a second time (i.e. 'CROSSARCH=armhf
CROSSVERS=4.7 DIST=wheezy QTMOKO_DEVICES=gta04 pdebuild-cross' again) in
case it was something random, but I got exactly the same output again.

Thanks,
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
HI,

Am 20.10.2012 um 23:05 schrieb Boudewijn:

 On Saturday 20 October 2012 20:30:45 Michaël Parchet wrote:
 Before to buy a freerunner, I would like to make sure that, with the gta04,
 I have a 3g antenna and so I can phone throw 3g
 I am quite sure. I am not sure though, whether I have been in 3G-only areas 
 with my phone, so I have not been able to experience first hand.
 
 If it's the case, I'm very interested to buy a freerunner with the gta 04.
 You understand correctly: to use the GTA04, parts from a previous Openmoko 
 phone are needed, or replacement parts.
 
 But it seems that the gta 04 is currently not available. isn't it  ?
 Nikolaus is the best to answer that question.

Yes, the last batch is completely sold out. And production by the
current facility to fulfill the open orders is unfortunately still sluggish
(I hestitate to share the frustrating details).

But technically it is no major problem to produce more GTA04 boards
in the same facility as the OpenPandoras are made.

We are currently working on the new PCB layout GTA04A5 to fix some
minor issues (no significant functional changes) to make it easier to
change the production line. But this is only some homework that can
be finalized in the next two weeks or so.


When it comes to complete devices around the GTA04 (i.e. OpenPhoenux
devices), there are two not yet sufficiently solved issues:

Firstly, for replacement parts we are still waiting for a good and still 
inexpensive
antenna design to emerge.

Secondly, we have no really convincing solution for small volume mass
production of nice and durable plastic (or metal or wood) cases. Injection
moulding is too expensive unless we get beyond 2-3k units and 3D printing
is still not as good as everyone would like to see.


But the really unsolved problem is how to finance the next batch so that
everybody is becoming happy.

From the previous batch and the current wishlist entries we know that
many expect some 200 to max. 300 EUR for a GTA04. But this is not
achievable at all, unless we see demand for 10k units or would start to
subsidize the devices by some non-free content and make it DRM protected...

But to stay a little below 500 EUR appears to be an achievable target.

To get below this price line means that we produce at least 200 or more
units in a single batch. You can estimate yourself how much money
needs to be collected before production starts...

For achieving this minimum, we need your help to convince others to buy
as many GTA04 boards as possible.

Otherwise this project will simply die out like the Neanderthalensis.
Because if there isn't enough demand in the results of a project, no
financial trick (*) can make it economically feasible...


Nikolaus

(*) kickstarter isn't a financial trick - it is an advertising and sales 
platform.
Volunteer contributions are limited when it comes to buying chips
and components.


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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread robin
I was wondering if you still, even though your frustration level must now be 
almost saturated, could make an estimate if the last GTA04 preorder batch is  
likely to be send out as an early Christmas Gifts or rather in 2013?

best regards and many thanks again for pulling this off in the first place 
(+ all the great developers putting thing things in place for SHR/QtMoko)

robin


ps: how much more will the GTA7004 cost; internally it uses the GTA04 if
I understand correctly? so would that be an option to increase GTA04 demand.
I certainly am looking for a small tablet with specifications similar to 
the Archos G09 80.


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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,

Am 22.10.2012 um 09:12 schrieb robin:

 I was wondering if you still, even though your frustration level must now be 
 almost saturated, could make an estimate if the last GTA04 preorder batch is  
 likely to be send out as an early Christmas Gifts or rather in 2013?

You are unfortunately the second last on the backorder list. So it will take a 
little longer.

 best regards and many thanks again for pulling this off in the first place 
 (+ all the great developers putting thing things in place for SHR/QtMoko)
 
 robin
 
 
 ps: how much more will the GTA7004 cost; internally it uses the GTA04 if
 I understand correctly? so would that be an option to increase GTA04 demand.
 I certainly am looking for a small tablet with specifications similar to 
 the Archos G09 80.

A rough estimate for smallest quantities (e.g. 5 units):

* a GTA04 (custom) board inside - could become cheaper if no UMTS  GPS 
capabilities
* a Sharp LQ070Y3DG3B display [1] ~130 EUR (incl. VAT) @ Avnet Express [2]
* Battery ~30 EUR (incl. VAT)
* PCB + internal components incl. production ~50-100 EUR (incl. VAT)
* Shapeways case ~77 EUR (incl. VAT)
* plus UMTS antenna, GPS antenna (if wanted) ~30 EUR

If someone knows a cheaper source for a display than [2], please let us know.

Provided there is enough interest, we could offer a kit made of battery and
complete PCB and offer the required GTA04-Custom variant (there are some
connectors not  installed). And everyone could buy a display and a Shapeways
case whereever he/she likes.

Would that be interesting to have components DIY? Or would there
be more interest in completely assembled devices?

Nikolaus

[1] http://www.panelook.com/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7.0_LCM_overview_9649.html
[2] http://octopart.com/partsearch#search/requestDataq=%20LQ070Y3DG3B
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
Hi, I found this one :
http://honglixin-hk.en.alibaba.com/product/555784898-213451334/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7_0_SIZE_LCD_TFT_LED_800_480_WLED.html

As the price on the page is 10$ (!!), I prefered to send a request for 500 pcs. 
I'll post the answer a soon as I got it.

Regards

Thomas
- Mail original -
| De: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com
| À: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
| Envoyé: Lundi 22 Octobre 2012 17:10:18
| Objet: Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available
| 
| Hi,
| 
| 
| You are unfortunately the second last on the backorder list. So it
| will take a little longer.
| 
| 
| A rough estimate for smallest quantities (e.g. 5 units):
| 
| * a GTA04 (custom) board inside - could become cheaper if no UMTS 
| GPS capabilities
| * a Sharp LQ070Y3DG3B display [1] ~130 EUR (incl. VAT) @ Avnet
| Express [2]
| * Battery ~30 EUR (incl. VAT)
| * PCB + internal components incl. production ~50-100 EUR (incl. VAT)
| * Shapeways case ~77 EUR (incl. VAT)
| * plus UMTS antenna, GPS antenna (if wanted) ~30 EUR
| 
| If someone knows a cheaper source for a display than [2], please let
| us know.
| 
| Provided there is enough interest, we could offer a kit made of
| battery and
| complete PCB and offer the required GTA04-Custom variant (there are
| some
| connectors not  installed). And everyone could buy a display and a
| Shapeways
| case whereever he/she likes.
| 
| Would that be interesting to have components DIY? Or would there
| be more interest in completely assembled devices?
| 
| Nikolaus
| 
| [1]
| http://www.panelook.com/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7.0_LCM_overview_9649.html
| [2]
| http://octopart.com/partsearch#search/requestDataq=%20LQ070Y3DG3B
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 22.10.2012 um 17:29 schrieb Thomas HOCEDEZ:

 Hi, I found this one :
 http://honglixin-hk.en.alibaba.com/product/555784898-213451334/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7_0_SIZE_LCD_TFT_LED_800_480_WLED.html
 
 As the price on the page is 10$ (!!), I prefered to send a request for 500 
 pcs. I'll post the answer a soon as I got it.

Wow! Let's hope this is not a scam, although it looks like one...

 
 Regards
 
 Thomas
 - Mail original -
 | De: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com
 | À: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 | Envoyé: Lundi 22 Octobre 2012 17:10:18
 | Objet: Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available
 | 
 | Hi,
 | 
 | 
 | You are unfortunately the second last on the backorder list. So it
 | will take a little longer.
 | 
 | 
 | A rough estimate for smallest quantities (e.g. 5 units):
 | 
 | * a GTA04 (custom) board inside - could become cheaper if no UMTS 
 | GPS capabilities
 | * a Sharp LQ070Y3DG3B display [1] ~130 EUR (incl. VAT) @ Avnet
 | Express [2]
 | * Battery ~30 EUR (incl. VAT)
 | * PCB + internal components incl. production ~50-100 EUR (incl. VAT)
 | * Shapeways case ~77 EUR (incl. VAT)
 | * plus UMTS antenna, GPS antenna (if wanted) ~30 EUR
 | 
 | If someone knows a cheaper source for a display than [2], please let
 | us know.
 | 
 | Provided there is enough interest, we could offer a kit made of
 | battery and
 | complete PCB and offer the required GTA04-Custom variant (there are
 | some
 | connectors not  installed). And everyone could buy a display and a
 | Shapeways
 | case whereever he/she likes.
 | 
 | Would that be interesting to have components DIY? Or would there
 | be more interest in completely assembled devices?
 | 
 | Nikolaus
 | 
 | [1]
 | http://www.panelook.com/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7.0_LCM_overview_9649.html
 | [2]
 | http://octopart.com/partsearch#search/requestDataq=%20LQ070Y3DG3B
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Thomas,

If i read the page right, the price is *between* 10 an 1000 dollar a piece.
I hope they sell it to you for 10 USD !

Kind regards,
Ed

On 10/22/2012 05:29 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
 Hi, I found this one :
 http://honglixin-hk.en.alibaba.com/product/555784898-213451334/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7_0_SIZE_LCD_TFT_LED_800_480_WLED.html

 As the price on the page is 10$ (!!), I prefered to send a request for 500 
 pcs. I'll post the answer a soon as I got it.

 Regards

 Thomas
 - Mail original -
 | De: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com
 | À: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 | Envoyé: Lundi 22 Octobre 2012 17:10:18
 | Objet: Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available
 | 
 | Hi,
 | 
 | 
 | You are unfortunately the second last on the backorder list. So it
 | will take a little longer.
 | 
 | 
 | A rough estimate for smallest quantities (e.g. 5 units):
 | 
 | * a GTA04 (custom) board inside - could become cheaper if no UMTS 
 | GPS capabilities
 | * a Sharp LQ070Y3DG3B display [1] ~130 EUR (incl. VAT) @ Avnet
 | Express [2]
 | * Battery ~30 EUR (incl. VAT)
 | * PCB + internal components incl. production ~50-100 EUR (incl. VAT)
 | * Shapeways case ~77 EUR (incl. VAT)
 | * plus UMTS antenna, GPS antenna (if wanted) ~30 EUR
 | 
 | If someone knows a cheaper source for a display than [2], please let
 | us know.
 | 
 | Provided there is enough interest, we could offer a kit made of
 | battery and
 | complete PCB and offer the required GTA04-Custom variant (there are
 | some
 | connectors not  installed). And everyone could buy a display and a
 | Shapeways
 | case whereever he/she likes.
 | 
 | Would that be interesting to have components DIY? Or would there
 | be more interest in completely assembled devices?
 | 
 | Nikolaus
 | 
 | [1]
 | http://www.panelook.com/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7.0_LCM_overview_9649.html
 | [2]
 | http://octopart.com/partsearch#search/requestDataq=%20LQ070Y3DG3B
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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread Boudewijn
On Monday 22 October 2012 19:09:41 Ed Kapitein wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 
 If i read the page right, the price is *between* 10 an 1000 dollar a piece.
 I hope they sell it to you for 10 USD !

I don't even get a page any longer ;-) But a search for LCD module turns up 
quite a few, ranging from 320x240 to 17 on the first page. Also with minimum 
orders as low as 2 pieces, and others with prices as low as $2 (for a not 
mentioned amount). There's one that sends low-res displays for shipping costs 
for testing, though their warranty terms made me smile [1]: 

 Warranty: Usually, product warrantees last 12 months if normally used

When looking around, what should we look for? The topoly screen got a bit of a 
special connector, I understood. Would dual-screen be an option? Or is that a 
bit 20th century? We could up the ante, and go for 3d (3display, that is). 

To find additional markets: is anyone on the list into cars? Did you use 
OBD2 or some kind of interface? Would it be nice to have a phone or tablet 
that reads out real-time engine info? My rationale was: car extra's seem 
usually higher priced than comparable non-car gadgets (but I'm not so much 
into cars, so I'm not really in touch with reality there...)

Best regards,

Boudewijn


[1] http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/518480309/4_inch_3_3v_tft_lcd.html


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Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available

2012-10-22 Thread robin
personally I would go for the fully assembled device and I think as for the 
GTA04 it would be good to have both options: assembled and DIY.
For me personally only a tablet with GPS and UMTS is interesting. It might 
be a good idea to have such a survey on your website on what components 
people excpect on their tablet.

br

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-05 Thread Neil Jerram

On Friday, October 5, 2012 12:44:51, Radek Polak wrote:
 Hi,
 i am now playing with armhf/wheezy debian and i have first working QtMoko 
 image 
 based on it. You can download it here [1].
 
 Some things are working, some not - so it's probably good just for 
 experimenting, but it's definitely the direction i'd like to go. Armhf will 
 help us utilize fpu unit which helps a lot when playing media. I can play now 
 even bigger movies now without encoding that were crawling on armel. Btw this 
 is now my config [2]
 
 Regards
 
 Radek
 
 [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/
 
 # cat /home/root/.mplayer/config 
 
 vo=fbdev2
 ao=alsa
 [default]
 afm=ffmpeg
 vfm=ffmpeg
 vf=scale=640:480,rotate=1
 sws=0
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Amazing, thanks, I am looking forward to trying this out.

Could you also outline how to build QtMoko for armhf?  Presumably another 
toolchain is needed.

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-05 Thread Neil Jerram
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes:

 Some things are working, some not

Here's a log for one of the not working things, GPRS:

Oct  5 20:51:29 neo Qtopia: Network :  QN: Found  
(/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf) 
Oct  5 20:51:29 neo Qtopia: Network :  QN::loadPLugin() : plugin found, loaded 
and new interface instanciated  
Oct  5 20:51:29 neo Qtopia: Network :  new Option3gPlugin interface instance 
requested -  /home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf 
Oct  5 20:51:29 neo Qtopia: Network :  Creating HsoInterface instance 
Oct  5 20:51:39 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  N : _OSIGQ: 30,0 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: Network :  Starting interface - 
/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: Network :  QN: Found  
(/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf) 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: Network :  QNS::startInterface: starting  
/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  T : 
AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,general.t-mobile.uk 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: Network :  Creating network session for netsetup 
on /home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  F : 
AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,general.t-mobile.uk 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  F : OK 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  T : AT_OWANCALL=1,1,1 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  F : AT_OWANCALL=1,1,1 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  F : OK 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  T : AT_OWANDATA? 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  F : AT_OWANDATA? 
Oct  5 20:51:43 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  F : OK 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  QN: Found  
(/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf) 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  ** 
/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf Interface hasn't been 
initialized yet.  
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  Setting extended life time for 
/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf to true 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  T : AT_OWANDATA? 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  N : _OWANCALL: 1, 1 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  F : AT_OWANDATA? 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  hso wan call ip= 31.114.15.145 , dns1= 
149.254.230.7 , dns2= 149.254.192.126 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: hso: ifconfig failed with  -2 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: AtChat :  N : _OWANDATA: 1, 31.114.15.145, 
0.0.0.0, 149.254.230.7, 149.254.192.126, 0.0.0.0, 0.0.0.0,144000 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  Obsolete network session detected on 
/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  Obsolete session had extended life time 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  QN: Found  
(/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf) 
Oct  5 20:51:44 neo Qtopia: Network :  ** 
/home/root/Applications/Network/config/hso0.conf Interface hasn't been 
initialized yet.  

I guess that's because ifconfig isn't installed, and we need whatever
is the modern equivalent of that.  (ip ... ?)

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-05 Thread Neil Jerram
Gilles Filippini gilles.filipp...@free.fr writes:

 Hi,

 Neil Jerram a écrit , Le 05/10/2012 19:36:
 Could you also outline how to build QtMoko for armhf?  Presumably another 
 toolchain is needed.

 Not sure about which method Radek uses, but there are some directions in
 debian/README.source to build with pdebuild-cross.

Thanks, I'll try that.

 Neil

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Experimental QtMoko/GTA04 build for armhf

2012-10-05 Thread Neil Jerram
Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net writes:

 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes:

 Some things are working, some not

 Here's a log for one of the not working things, GPRS:

[...]

 I guess that's because ifconfig isn't installed, and we need whatever
 is the modern equivalent of that.  (ip ... ?)

That's fixed by apt-get install net-tools.  (i.e. GPRS then works.)

   Neil

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