Re: GTA04 Wiki
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:09:45 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing. One part is setting up a web interface to important information. Therefore, we have now installed wiki.gta04.org which is completely virgin.. So virgin that it takes me to a login page... To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Surely the main thing is info about each hardware component, links to the specifications, how it is addressed/accessed in the GTA04, and where its power can be controlled independently. Thanks, NeilBrown Nikolaus PS: The early adopter offer is still open since we have not yet got a quotation for the memory chips (Micron MT29C or MT46 in 168-VFBGA) and those appear to be the most critical to secure first. The more orders we have the easier it becomes to talk to the distributors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
Am 18.01.2011 um 12:08 schrieb NeilBrown: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:09:45 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing. One part is setting up a web interface to important information. Therefore, we have now installed wiki.gta04.org which is completely virgin.. So virgin that it takes me to a login page... That was not intended... I have fixed the access rights. To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Surely the main thing is info about each hardware component, links to the specifications, how it is addressed/accessed in the GTA04, and where its power can be controlled independently. Ok. Thanks, NeilBrown Thanks as well, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
At 14:09 +0100 14/01/11, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing. One part is setting up a web interface to important information. Therefore, we have now installed wiki.gta04.org which is completely virgin.. To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Nikolaus PS: The early adopter offer is still open since we have not yet got a quotation for the memory chips (Micron MT29C or MT46 in 168-VFBGA) and those appear to be the most critical to secure first. The more orders we have the easier it becomes to talk to the distributors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Dear Nikolaus A suggestion. Is there any possibility that a wiki with Mediawiki-like syntax could be offered instead of the existing? I have just tried the new wiki. ( http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/GTA04-revisions/ ) I think it then would be easier to come from http://wiki.openmoko.org/ - and you can benefit from help in wiki.openmoko.org and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal and reuse templates and more. I you have already considered multiple wikis, then please tell us your considerations. kind regards, Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
People, I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger screen but the video shows about the same size device? Thanks, Phil. On 2011-01-15 02:11, Giovanni wrote: This sounds like a good idea. Best regards, giovanni (aka alien jo) On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz mailto:pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Just an idea: we could write down wrong decisions that were made during GTA02 development and that could be avoided for GTA04. E.g.: - the GTA03 announce was bad decision and discouraged many people from buying GTA02. - GTA02 was released to public as phone without decent software stack, which caused negative reviews, which discouraged many potential customers. Maybe it's too early but it would be pity to do something wrong twice. I can see a lot of potential in GTA04 and it could be employed not just as a phone. I am working for company that does sofware and sells embedded devices and we paid a lot of money for custom ARM board with display and GSM modem. GTA04 could have done the job much better. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger screen but the video shows about the same size device? The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least). It is a replacement motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner. So you use the same case, the same display, the same touchscreen, the same battery. Only the motherboard and the components on it will changed. I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a thinner case and and and and... But the chance of getting that as a truly open device seems pretty slim at the moment. So I'm happy to compromise and get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
Neil, On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger screen but the video shows about the same size device? The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least). It is a replacement motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner. So you use the same case, the same display, the same touchscreen, the same battery. Only the motherboard and the components on it will changed. I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a thinner case and and and and... But the chance of getting that as a truly open device seems pretty slim at the moment. So I'm happy to compromise and get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case. OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:28:52 +1100 Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: Neil, On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger screen but the video shows about the same size device? The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least). It is a replacement motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner. So you use the same case, the same display, the same touchscreen, the same battery. Only the motherboard and the components on it will changed. I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a thinner case and and and and... But the chance of getting that as a truly open device seems pretty slim at the moment. So I'm happy to compromise and get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case. OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB? Thanks, Phil. I suggest you read what is available at www.gta04.org and wiki.gta04.org GTA04 is an experiment. It might not work (you are warned that when trying to buy). The software certainly doesn't work completely yet. It may never unless you contribute. It has a faster processor, faster graphics, 3G phone capability and assorted other bits and pieces. It is an 'engineering component' for people who want to experiment and explore. One day it might be more than that, but today is not that day. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
Hi all, thanks so far for the suggestions for new pages. Am 18.01.2011 um 19:00 schrieb Glenn: At 14:09 +0100 14/01/11, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing. One part is setting up a web interface to important information. Therefore, we have now installed wiki.gta04.org which is completely virgin.. To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. I have added a meta page to request more pages: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/RequestedPages/ Dear Nikolaus A suggestion. Is there any possibility that a wiki with Mediawiki-like syntax could be offered instead of the existing? I have just tried the new wiki. ( http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/GTA04-revisions/ ) I think it then would be easier to come from http://wiki.openmoko.org/ - and you can benefit from help in wiki.openmoko.org and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal and reuse templates and more. Well, the idea is not to *replace* wiki.openmoko.org which is the Openmoko community page. And it is not intended for heavily editing by users but it is thought to provide all the background information we have collected during the development process. So it should be the single entry point if someone is specifically interested in the GTA04 hardware and basic software (bootloader, kernel hacking, hardware adaption). But not for higher end software. I you have already considered multiple wikis, then please tell us your considerations. Basically we think of two information sources: a) wiki.openmoko.org * this is run by the community and we are just a member * GTA04 is just another project within the Openmoko community (like GTA01, GTA02, SHR, QtMoko etc.) b) wiki.gta04.org * this is the project specific wiki (therefore it is part of the Indefero based project management tool with its Markdown language) * it links to source files and other resources * it is the official reference maintained by the project management So I would suggest that editing by the community starts and continues at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04 Best regards, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
Am 19.01.2011 um 05:22 schrieb NeilBrown: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:28:52 +1100 Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: Neil, On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger screen but the video shows about the same size device? The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least). It is a replacement motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner. So you use the same case, the same display, the same touchscreen, the same battery. Only the motherboard and the components on it will changed. I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a thinner case and and and and... But the chance of getting that as a truly open device seems pretty slim at the moment. So I'm happy to compromise and get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case. OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB? You may also replace a still working GTA02 Motherboard and reuse the latter as a small embedded controller. You can connect a serial IF and external power, insert SIM, SD card and use it as a GPRS/WiFi microcontroller (without display and touch). And use the GTA04 in the old GTA02 case. Thanks, Phil. I suggest you read what is available at www.gta04.org and wiki.gta04.org GTA04 is an experiment. It might not work (you are warned that when trying to buy). The software certainly doesn't work completely yet. It may never unless you contribute. It has a faster processor, faster graphics, 3G phone capability and assorted other bits and pieces. It is an 'engineering component' for people who want to experiment and explore. One day it might be more than that, but today is not that day. We are working hard to make that day earlier... But for the moment the description is right. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
Hi Nikolaus, What would be a good idea is to have a list with working functionality for the device. That would give people an overview on how usable the device is for a certain task. for example: Yes No can send SMS X can make voice call X working X server X has working GPS X etc I don't know if it is wise from a buisness point of view, but i would love to know how many people have ordered the device yet. Kind regards, Ed On Friday 14 January 2011 14:09:45 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing. One part is setting up a web interface to important information. Therefore, we have now installed wiki.gta04.org which is completely virgin.. To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Nikolaus PS: The early adopter offer is still open since we have not yet got a quotation for the memory chips (Micron MT29C or MT46 in 168-VFBGA) and those appear to be the most critical to secure first. The more orders we have the easier it becomes to talk to the distributors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Just an idea: we could write down wrong decisions that were made during GTA02 development and that could be avoided for GTA04. E.g.: - the GTA03 announce was bad decision and discouraged many people from buying GTA02. - GTA02 was released to public as phone without decent software stack, which caused negative reviews, which discouraged many potential customers. Maybe it's too early but it would be pity to do something wrong twice. I can see a lot of potential in GTA04 and it could be employed not just as a phone. I am working for company that does sofware and sells embedded devices and we paid a lot of money for custom ARM board with display and GSM modem. GTA04 could have done the job much better. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
This sounds like a good idea. Best regards, giovanni (aka alien jo) On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Just an idea: we could write down wrong decisions that were made during GTA02 development and that could be avoided for GTA04. E.g.: - the GTA03 announce was bad decision and discouraged many people from buying GTA02. - GTA02 was released to public as phone without decent software stack, which caused negative reviews, which discouraged many potential customers. Maybe it's too early but it would be pity to do something wrong twice. I can see a lot of potential in GTA04 and it could be employed not just as a phone. I am working for company that does sofware and sells embedded devices and we paid a lot of money for custom ARM board with display and GSM modem. GTA04 could have done the job much better. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
