Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
On Tuesday 21 August 2007 15:06, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.08.2007 um 12:46 schrieb Harald Welte: I am from the community ;) And not in my 10+ years of FOSS community development have I seen any project that had problems with properly using mailinglists. By deciding not to have a forum, you will loose some participants. And those who remain will have no problems. So, this argument is not a proof... Show me a single succesfull opensource project which uses *both* mailing lists and a forum *for development*. Just one. So far the lack of proof is on your side of the argument. Well, I don't know how old you are but I did send my first e-mails approx. 1984 and wrote my first UNIX programs at that time. Nevertheless I would prefer a forum. I was 5 years old in 1984, my first email account was a webmail account. I never used the internet before grahical browsers existed. Nevertheless I whould prefer a mailing list. So what? If personal perference has to be the norm you will get all kind of things, but never a community. I'd use the forum if that was where the action was. But i'd *never* try to split up an active development community over the choice of communication medium. That might be an unwise decision - but you are the decision taker :-) Thats a very wise decision. There is *no* reason at all to split the developers into two groups, forum users and mail users. That is a very stupid idea. Regardless of wich is supposedly better you should never split a community over several different communication mediums, and you should not try to radically change the medium either. For that reason alone Harald is right to oppose against forums (for developer usage, that is). AVee (I've said it, I won't be dragged into discussions about this) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source code, for my application to get some engine data, like oil temperature, oil pressure, and everything my board electricity gives me to put on that screen :) USB to CAN-bus interface for access to onboard data bus? That would give some interesting possibilities... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Al Johnson wrote: Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source code, for my application to get some engine data, like oil temperature, oil pressure, and everything my board electricity gives me to put on that screen :) USB to CAN-bus interface for access to onboard data bus? That would give some interesting possibilities... Something like this already exists for N770/N800 http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
On 8/17/07, Clarke Wixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at this picture: http://www.apc.com/products/moreimages.cfm?partnum=UPB10aPos=5 As you will see, it has a female mini-B socket from which it charges itself, and a female full-size A socket to which it supplies power. Uh oh... makes you want to plug it into itself, doesn't it? Hopefully they have some protection for when that happens. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 8/17/07, Clarke Wixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at this picture: http://www.apc.com/products/moreimages.cfm?partnum=UPB10aPos=5 As you will see, it has a female mini-B socket from which it charges itself, and a female full-size A socket to which it supplies power. Uh oh... makes you want to plug it into itself, doesn't it? Hopefully they have some protection for when that happens. If I inadvertently open a wormhole into an alternate dimension, I'll be sure to post about it on the wiki. :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
Hm, in other words: everybody should subscribe (listen) to all other lists to post questions in the correct sublist... This is IMHO a very strong argument for a Forum system where you have to register only once, but can change between topics easily - even if new ones come up. Just my 2 cents, Nikolaus Am 19.08.2007 um 06:30 schrieb Harald Welte: please, this is a _community_ list! IF youre interested in hardware issues, please post to neo1973- hardware. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
Please don't bring up the forum debate again. We have heared all the arguments. We will not have a forum as long as I have any role in this project. All FOSS projects that I've ever been involved in 10+ years FOSS development use mailinglists, very efficiently, even lots of them. That's our official take on this. Re-iterating this over and over again will just make everyone involed more upset, and everyone else annoyed by an even worse signal/noise ratio. -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
Am 21.08.2007 um 12:46 schrieb Harald Welte: On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Harald, please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from setting up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time. in fact that was the most fun part. But just one question to answer for yourself: do you want to have community involvement or not? I am from the community ;) And not in my 10+ years of FOSS community It didn't look like that... development have I seen any project that had problems with properly using mailinglists. By deciding not to have a forum, you will loose some participants. And those who remain will have no problems. So, this argument is not a proof... Forums are for people who don't understand the technology of properly dealing with e-mails. Of what use is something that's only available Well, I don't know how old you are but I did send my first e-mails approx. 1984 and wrote my first UNIX programs at that time. Nevertheless I would prefer a forum. It is so easy to wipe away needs and requests from others by saying they simply don't understand properly how to use it :-) What would you do if you go into a shop where you want to buy a red t- shirt and the sales agent says that red is out and t-shirts are not good at all and that all those who want to buy a t-shirt simply don't understand why polo shirts are so much better? online? Of no use at all. Try keeping a local copy of a forum on your I have never had a problem with not being online all the time. laptop. Why should openmoko be any different? For which purpose should I keep ***all*** these mails archived? We will most likely have a forum for _end users_ at a time where we want to address end users. But not for developers, sorry. That might be an unwise decision - but you are the decision taker :-) Now as your network appears to work again, please focus on solving kernel, uboot, etc. issues that we as the dumb users can't solve ourselves. I am for example still fighting the issue with short and long rootfs flashing and NAND erasing, that leaves an inoperable OpenMoko device If you consider yourself a dumb user, then you probably are not the kind of developer crowd that we are addressing at this moment :( Looks a little like Freedom and Openness has limits? Look - I have a device now for 2 weeks. I have 20 years experience in software development and a certain goal to achieve with the OpenMoko. So, how should I know everything the core team knows that works on the device for now 10 months? Compared to you, I am of course a dumb user who has to learn a lot of aspects of the OpenMoko system. Especially the flashing process. But that is IMHO no argument to criticise my requests and needs. But I do not want to open a new fundamentalistic discussion. Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
Am 21.08.2007 um 10:39 schrieb Harald Welte: Please don't bring up the forum debate again. We have heared all the arguments. We will not have a forum as long as I have any role in this project. All FOSS projects that I've ever been involved in 10+ years FOSS development use mailinglists, very efficiently, even lots of them. That's our official take on this. Re-iterating this over and over again will just make everyone involed more upset, and everyone else annoyed by an even worse signal/noise ratio. Harald, please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from setting up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time. But just one question to answer for yourself: do you want to have community involvement or not? Now as your network appears to work again, please focus on solving kernel, uboot, etc. issues that we as the dumb users can't solve ourselves. I am for example still fighting the issue with short and long rootfs flashing and NAND erasing, that leaves an inoperable OpenMoko device (Bug # 719). Maybe, it is not a software issue at all but just a documentation on what to do differently? I simply got stuck with my knowledge. Best regards, Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Harald, please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from setting up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time. in fact that was the most fun part. But just one question to answer for yourself: do you want to have community involvement or not? I am from the community ;) And not in my 10+ years of FOSS community development have I seen any project that had problems with properly using mailinglists. Forums are for people who don't understand the technology of properly dealing with e-mails. Of what use is something that's only available online? Of no use at all. Try keeping a local copy of a forum on your laptop. Why should openmoko be any different? We will most likely have a forum for _end users_ at a time where we want to address end users. But not for developers, sorry. Now as your network appears to work again, please focus on solving kernel, uboot, etc. issues that we as the dumb users can't solve ourselves. I am for example still fighting the issue with short and long rootfs flashing and NAND erasing, that leaves an inoperable OpenMoko device If you consider yourself a dumb user, then you probably are not the kind of developer crowd that we are addressing at this moment :( ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
Sorry. I had uncontrollable spasms in my mouse finger. Or whatever. This mail was not intentionally sent. Sorry I just wanted to agree with harald. But not whith sending a blanc email. :) Forums suck for many reasons. (No filter, no archiving, no offline use, ...) No FOSS project of any importance needed a forum for anything. If someone likes forums so much. Write a mailinglist-2-frum proxy. Or make a pimped up verison of the list arcives for browser use. (This is a part where all/most mailinglists really stink at the moment) Tilman Baumann wrote: Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Harald, please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from setting up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time. in fact that was the most fun part. But just one question to answer for yourself: do you want to have community involvement or not? I am from the community ;) And not in my 10+ years of FOSS community development have I seen any project that had problems with properly using mailinglists. Forums are for people who don't understand the technology of properly dealing with e-mails. Of what use is something that's only available online? Of no use at all. Try keeping a local copy of a forum on your laptop. Why should openmoko be any different? We will most likely have a forum for _end users_ at a time where we want to address end users. But not for developers, sorry. Now as your network appears to work again, please focus on solving kernel, uboot, etc. issues that we as the dumb users can't solve ourselves. I am for example still fighting the issue with short and long rootfs flashing and NAND erasing, that leaves an inoperable OpenMoko device If you consider yourself a dumb user, then you probably are not the kind of developer crowd that we are addressing at this moment :( ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Has anybody actually tried the 40KOhm resister trick on the neo? Does it really work? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
I have just seen that this topic is extensively documented on the wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger Especially the dump charger method is something i did not know. Regards Tilman ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there plans to provide a car adapter for the Neo? This is a general problem. Where are USB-Power Adator out there. Also for cars. But most of them just power the 5V line. This is bad with 99% of the bad behaving usb gadgets out there. But Neo is prolite and asks the host if it could draw it's 500mA and if not only takes 100mA out of the bus. This is how the usb specs tell you to do it. But most devices (like usb microovens and the like) just draw power as there would be no tomorrow and don't care how much the host can privice. If your usb-powersupply burns out - bummer. :) So the solutions are: A smart usb power supply. (Never seen any. But should not be so bard to build) A button that puts your Neo in the same i don't care about specs or your usb interface asshole mode other deivces use and just draws it's power. (No idea if that would even work. But i think it might) Has anyone ever seen a smart usb power supply? Maybe the ipod psu? (I could check this some time) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tilman Baumann wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there plans to provide a car adapter for the Neo? This is a general problem. Where are USB-Power Adator out there. Also for cars. But most of them just power the 5V line. This is bad with 99% of the bad behaving usb gadgets out there. But Neo is prolite and asks the host if it could draw it's 500mA and if not only takes 100mA out of the bus. This is how the usb specs tell you to do it. But most devices (like usb microovens and the like) just draw power as there would be no tomorrow and don't care how much the host can privice. If your usb-powersupply burns out - bummer. :) Don't know if I understood right. Do you mean, the Neo asks the power supply how much power it's able to provide? Why should the Neo do this? Like I described below I guess the Neo uses the 5V channel only for charging, and so the 500mA are always okay. Why not use a normal 500mA power supply then? The USB specification only guarantees 100ma available to each client-mode device (in theory the Neo can be host or client, though currently only client mode is functional). If a device wants to draw more power it is required to ask permission from the host/hub. Many simple [non-compliant] devices skip this step and just assume that they can draw as much power as they want, which leads to problems of overloading the host/hub. The Neo will not draw more than 100ma until it has gotten permission. There is one exception - the neo can detect its own 'dumb' charger by the presence of 48kOhm resistance between USB pin 5 and ground. In this case the power mgmt unit will allow the full 500ma power draw. So if you have a decently noise-free 5V USB car charger, it would be fairly simple to solder in a 48k resistor (note that it should be low-tolerance - 1%) and have the neo pull 500mA for fast charging. As for forcing the neo to ignore USB power negotiation, I don't know if this is a kernel driver issue (hackable) or a USB chipset issue (less hackable)... -Rusty A button that puts your Neo in the same i don't care about specs or your usb interface asshole mode other deivces use and just draws it's power. (No idea if that would even work. But i think it might) Does this mean, if we push this button, it's not possible anymore to use a second USB device at the same time? I guess that doesn't change anything because if I understood right, the 5V channel is used only for charging the Neo, (No power output for attached devices) what is the reason for why we need those external powered USB hub. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Thank you for that wonderful explanation! BTW: Where is my own e-mail in the list? I still did not receive it, but it seems you did?! Somethings strange in that list... Am I right that I would need to solder some more things to make this whole construction work? I mean, I have to spend these 5V to the Neo for charging, and still need the other pins for transferring data from the USB drive to the Neo. So I would have to split the cable, right? Rusty Chris wrote: device (in theory the Neo can be host or client, though currently only client mode is functional). *But this feature will hopefully be added in GTA2?* If a device wants to draw more power it is required to ask permission from the host/hub. Many simple [non-compliant] devices skip this step and just assume that they can draw as much power as they want, which leads to problems of overloading the host/hub. The Neo will not draw more than 100ma until it has gotten permission. There is one exception - the neo can detect its own 'dumb' charger by the presence of 48kOhm resistance between USB pin 5 and ground. In this case the power mgmt unit will allow the full 500ma power draw. So if you have a decently noise-free 5V USB car charger, it would be fairly simple to solder in a 48k resistor (note that it should be low-tolerance - 1%) and have the neo pull 500mA for fast charging. As for forcing the neo to ignore USB power negotiation, I don't know if this is a kernel driver issue (hackable) or a USB chipset issue (less hackable)... -Rust ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Brad Midgley wrote: Hi But most of them just power the 5V line. This is bad with 99% of the bad behaving usb gadgets out there. But Neo is prolite and asks the host if it could draw it's 500mA and if not only takes 100mA out of the bus. this excessive politeness rules out hand-crank charger, solar cell, battery-to-usb, and every auto-usb adapter out there. It's overkill. the usb spec requires the hub to reply to the request for more power. no reply within xx ms means there is no hub to ask. At this point it should be pragmatic and just use the @#* 500mA. I tried to hunt this down in the source and I think it's in two places--uboot when off and the kernel when on. It was very hard to figure out who drives the control. Three places. There is hardware policy, which is set by uboot/the kernel, in the power control chip. Well - four places - some of it is configured by resistors on the board. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Hi But most of them just power the 5V line. This is bad with 99% of the bad behaving usb gadgets out there. But Neo is prolite and asks the host if it could draw it's 500mA and if not only takes 100mA out of the bus. this excessive politeness rules out hand-crank charger, solar cell, battery-to-usb, and every auto-usb adapter out there. It's overkill. the usb spec requires the hub to reply to the request for more power. no reply within xx ms means there is no hub to ask. At this point it should be pragmatic and just use the @#* 500mA. I tried to hunt this down in the source and I think it's in two places--uboot when off and the kernel when on. It was very hard to figure out who drives the control. brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for that wonderful explanation! BTW: Where is my own e-mail in the list? I still did not receive it, but it seems you did?! Somethings strange in that list... Am I right that I would need to solder some more things to make this whole construction work? I mean, I have to spend these 5V to the Neo for charging, and still need the other pins for transferring data from the USB drive to the Neo. So I would have to split the cable, right? Or buy one from a vendor. (coming soon) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I right that I would need to solder some more things to make this whole construction work? I mean, I have to spend these 5V to the Neo for charging, and still need the other pins for transferring data from the USB drive to the Neo. So I would have to split the cable, right? I recently bought an APC UPB10 portable USB battery -- see http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=UPB10 When the Neo gets its kernel support for USB host mode, I'm going to try to wire it up as an auxiliary power source for USB peripherals like thumb drives. Look at this picture: http://www.apc.com/products/moreimages.cfm?partnum=UPB10aPos=5 As you will see, it has a female mini-B socket from which it charges itself, and a female full-size A socket to which it supplies power. Right now I haven't figured out how it's internally wired -- whether the data lines on those two sockets go anywhere. I'd like to wire them together (as a sort of USB-thru adapter), and also build a mini-B to mini-B cable with the power lines disconnected. With this setup, in theory, I could put the Neo in host mode, hook the custom cable up to the Neo and the battery brick, and plug a thumb drive directly into the power brick. The thumb drive would get power from the brick and at the same time the data lines would go through to the Neo. I don't know whether this will function as I hope, but I'm going to give it a shot. I'll put something on the wiki (and post again here) if it works out. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
El jue, 16-08-2007 a las 19:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: First of all, what about the soundcard the Neo provides. Is it a good one or some kind of cheap hardware, designed for phone-call-quality sound output? The chipset is a WM8753 from Wolfson Microelectronics. Acording with their website: The WM8753L is a low power, high quality stereo Codec with integrated PCM CODEC designed for portable digital telephony applications such as mobile phone, or headset with Hi-Fi playback capability. More info: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/WM8753/ (And is it sterio or not) Yes, it is stereo. I guess the AUX-Port on the Neo is a 3,5mm (or maybe 2,5mm) TRS Connector (german: Klinkenstecker) used often for Headsets (4 connectors instead of 3 as usual). If so, is it still usable for an external amplifier? It is 2,5mm. And yes, I think that there is no problem to use an external amplifier. Let's assume the soundcard is no good. So it should be possible to use a external USB Soundcard with crazy-high-definition-whatever-output, to make the Neo giving me crystal clear sounds, right? Right. Is it possible to use the external soundcard and charge the Neo the same time? Or use an external USB harddisk, the soundcard and still charge the Neo? Sorry, I don't know if this is possible. But I think that it is. Well, for what do I need all that information? I want to use the Neo as sound system in my car, and therefor need all this stuff ;) Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Cheers, -- Santiago Crespo signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List! I've got a few questions as I'm a little bit confused about some issues. (Also have no Neo to test it myself) First of all, what about the soundcard the Neo provides. Is it a good one or some kind of cheap hardware, designed for phone-call-quality sound output? (And is it sterio or not) I guess the AUX-Port on the Neo is a 3,5mm (or maybe 2,5mm) TRS Connector (german: Klinkenstecker) used often for Headsets (4 connectors instead of 3 as usual). If so, is it still usable for an external amplifier? The soundcard is IMO, fairly good. It's more 'CD' quality than phone call, and is stereo. Search on audio subsystem on the wiki. You can in principle use a powered hub, and a external USB soundcard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
These are really good news, you put me in good humor! :) (Thank you too, Ian) Last important thing is the charging over USB while the external hard disk is connected. Hope someone of the device owners could test this ;) Ahh, and what about that USB port? I remember a thread but I'm not sure: Does the Neo have a USB 1.1 Port? All I found on the wiki was - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU Do we have an upgradeable USB 1.1 port? Or what does it mean? Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source code, for my application to get some engine data, like oil temperature, oil pressure, and everything my board electricity gives me to put on that screen :) Have to stop dreaming now, these ideas drive me crazy... (Think of getting rid of all buttons you ever used in your car) Greetings, Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
These are really good news, you put me in good humor! :) (Thank you too, Ian) Last important thing is the charging over USB while the external hard disk is connected. Hope someone of the device owners could test this ;) Ahh, and what about that USB port? I remember a thread but I'm not sure: Does the Neo have a USB 1.1 Port? All I found on the wiki was - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU Do we have an upgradeable USB 1.1 port? Or what does it mean? Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source code, for my application to get some engine data, like oil temperature, oil pressure, and everything my board electricity gives me to put on that screen :) Have to stop dreaming now, these ideas drive me crazy... (Think of getting rid of all buttons you ever used in your car) Greetings, Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are really good news, you put me in good humor! :) (Thank you too, Ian) Last important thing is the charging over USB while the external hard disk is connected. That's a matter of cabling. Hope someone of the device owners could test this ;) The host mode kernel driver isn't quite there yet. Ahh, and what about that USB port? I remember a thread but I'm not sure: Does the Neo have a USB 1.1 Port? yes. All I found on the wiki was - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU Do we have an upgradeable USB 1.1 port? Or what does it mean? That's just a way of doing reflashing. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
