RE: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
BZZZNT wrong answer! on the intial build. no second guesses. also BZZZNT, wrong answer on units ordered. no second guesses. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron K. Jeffries Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:36 AM To: OpenMoko Subject: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008 NOTE: No animals were harmed in this thought experiment. Question: How many GTA02s ~ordered~ as of 10 Jul 2008? rjeffries estimates (tilted toward higher rather than lower): USA group sales: ~20 groups x 10 = 200 ECU ~15 groups x 10 = 150 Rest of world ~ 10 groups x 10 = 100 Individual sales, worldwide ~300 x 1 = 300 Jeffries' wild ass guess: Total GTA02 ordered = 750 +/- 250 For grins, it would be coolio to set up a wiki page where people register their GTA02 serial number, date they received unit and a check box for group or individual purchase. My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx 1,000 to 1,500. Ron K. Jeffries http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
Individual sales, worldwide ~300 x 1 = 300 Jeffries' wild ass guess: Total GTA02 ordered = 750 +/- 250 My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx 1,000 to 1,500. I think you're pretty low. In another thread someone said their OM store tracking number was 1087. Mine is in the 1600s. While there are some assumptions there, it strongly indecates they've shipped 600 from their store alone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
Steven Kurylo wrote: I think you're pretty low. In another thread someone said their OM store tracking number was 1087. Mine is in the 1600s. While there are some assumptions there, it strongly indecates they've shipped 600 from their store alone. Also note that presumably the 10-packs are each only assigned 1 order number, so those 600 order numbers represent more than 600 phones. Out of curiosity, how long ago did you place your order (with order number in the 1600s)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
see also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Matt Luzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Kurylo wrote: I think you're pretty low. In another thread someone said their OM store tracking number was 1087. Mine is in the 1600s. While there are some assumptions there, it strongly indecates they've shipped 600 from their store alone. Also note that presumably the 10-packs are each only assigned 1 order number, so those 600 order numbers represent more than 600 phones. Out of curiosity, how long ago did you place your order (with order number in the 1600s)? My order was placed on the 3rd. No tracking number yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx 1,000 to 1,500. I think you're dramatically low-balling it. You're basing that on the number of phones ordered, but aren't factoring in the number shipped to resellers who have the item in stock but haven't sold it to a customer yet, the number in transit to those retailers and the distribution centers (one can assume that they're producing are a rate faster than they're shipping to customers), the number put into people's hands as test equipment for major media outlets, universities and the like. I'm willing to bet that, like Koolu, there are people or organizations with devices that aren't in end-user hands yet - an Android based Freerunner like the W.E. Phone (for instance) doesn't exist yet, but it's safe to say they're developing it on some form of hardware. Realistically speaking, the number of people with Freerunner's in their hands don't matter too much. The only reason I care at all about how many devices Openmoko fabricated is to know if they're generating revenue to be secure in a future product line. The number of devices produced doesn't correlate the the number of community members (one can assume there are device owners who will never join the OM community and that there are members without devices) and the number of users with devices doesn't correlate to Openmoko's profitability. Openmoko earns profit on devices that end up in closets and warehouses just the same. And... A bit more bluntly... I think there's a reason that the sales figures haven't been released. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
I must admit I am really courious about how many FRs will be sold within the end of 2008. I really hope someone will tell us this number, don't matter when :P 2008/7/10 Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx 1,000 to 1,500. I think you're dramatically low-balling it. You're basing that on the number of phones ordered, but aren't factoring in the number shipped to resellers who have the item in stock but haven't sold it to a customer yet, the number in transit to those retailers and the distribution centers (one can assume that they're producing are a rate faster than they're shipping to customers), the number put into people's hands as test equipment for major media outlets, universities and the like. I'm willing to bet that, like Koolu, there are people or organizations with devices that aren't in end-user hands yet - an Android based Freerunner like the W.E. Phone (for instance) doesn't exist yet, but it's safe to say they're developing it on some form of hardware. Realistically speaking, the number of people with Freerunner's in their hands don't matter too much. The only reason I care at all about how many devices Openmoko fabricated is to know if they're generating revenue to be secure in a future product line. The number of devices produced doesn't correlate the the number of community members (one can assume there are device owners who will never join the OM community and that there are members without devices) and the number of users with devices doesn't correlate to Openmoko's profitability. Openmoko earns profit on devices that end up in closets and warehouses just the same. And... A bit more bluntly... I think there's a reason that the sales figures haven't been released. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
Absolutely. I'm hoping they post some sort of stats for the first few days after shipping catches up. And based on the order numbers, i'm leaning toward probably an intial run around 1500-2k. On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit I am really courious about how many FRs will be sold within the end of 2008. I really hope someone will tell us this number, don't matter when :P 2008/7/10 Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx 1,000 to 1,500. I think you're dramatically low-balling it. You're basing that on the number of phones ordered, but aren't factoring in the number shipped to resellers who have the item in stock but haven't sold it to a customer yet, the number in transit to those retailers and the distribution centers (one can assume that they're producing are a rate faster than they're shipping to customers), the number put into people's hands as test equipment for major media outlets, universities and the like. I'm willing to bet that, like Koolu, there are people or organizations with devices that aren't in end-user hands yet - an Android based Freerunner like the W.E. Phone (for instance) doesn't exist yet, but it's safe to say they're developing it on some form of hardware. Realistically speaking, the number of people with Freerunner's in their hands don't matter too much. The only reason I care at all about how many devices Openmoko fabricated is to know if they're generating revenue to be secure in a future product line. The number of devices produced doesn't correlate the the number of community members (one can assume there are device owners who will never join the OM community and that there are members without devices) and the number of users with devices doesn't correlate to Openmoko's profitability. Openmoko earns profit on devices that end up in closets and warehouses just the same. And... A bit more bluntly... I think there's a reason that the sales figures haven't been released. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
Dustin Knie wrote: Absolutely. I'm hoping they post some sort of stats for the first few days after shipping catches up. And based on the order numbers, i'm leaning toward probably an intial run around 1500-2k. On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit I am really courious about how many FRs will be sold within the end of 2008. I really hope someone will tell us this number, don't matter when :P 2008/7/10 Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx 1,000 to 1,500. I think you're dramatically low-balling it. You're basing that on the number of phones ordered, but aren't factoring in the number shipped to resellers who have the item in stock but haven't sold it to a customer yet, the number in transit to those retailers and the distribution centers (one can assume that they're producing are a rate faster than they're shipping to customers), the number put into people's hands as test equipment for major media outlets, universities and the like. I'm willing to bet that, like Koolu, there are people or organizations with devices that aren't in end-user hands yet - an Android based Freerunner like the W.E. Phone (for instance) doesn't exist yet, but it's safe to say they're developing it on some form of hardware. Realistically speaking, the number of people with Freerunner's in their hands don't matter too much. The only reason I care at all about how many devices Openmoko fabricated is to know if they're generating revenue to be secure in a future product line. The number of devices produced doesn't correlate the the number of community members (one can assume there are device owners who will never join the OM community and that there are members without devices) and the number of users with devices doesn't correlate to Openmoko's profitability. Openmoko earns profit on devices that end up in closets and warehouses just the same. And... A bit more bluntly... I think there's a reason that the sales figures haven't been released. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community On the where's my freerunner wiki page there are numbers in the 3000's, and you have to consider that many orders are 10-pack orders, so you're probably looking at something like 10% (guess?) orders are 10 packs. 10% of 3000 = 300 x 10 = 3000 + 90% of 3000 = 5700 from the online shop. Again, a complete guess ballpark figure, but it's something to think about. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
