Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
Em 29-10-2010 21:55, Stefan Monnier escreveu: This is done to protect users from malware, Please don't spread such misinformation. It is done to keep control of the device away from the user. I.e. it's only correct if you define malware as program that the company doesn't like, whereas I think it's usually understood as program which does things that the end-user doesn't like. Many pre-installed software on today's popular devices are actually malware (tho only discerning users realize it). Yeah, and useless as certain malware apps have popped up into Android and iPhoney. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:27:12AM +0200, Eric Ehlers wrote: Hello, I added a new section (2.5) to the Openmoko page on wikipedia in an attempt to reflect the latest status of the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko Hope that's right, if anyone has any feedback please let me know or feel free to update the page directly. After recently discovering Openmoko my first few attempts at Googling on the project led me to the false conclusion that the effort was stone cold dead and it took some serious digging to find the latest news so I hope to spare others the same confusion. Hello all, I also noticed that the FreeRunner wikipedia page could do with a bit of TLC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner I wondered about the possibility of adding a section about distros which contains some nice screenshots of the latest SHR and QtMoko. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 10:27 +0200, Eric Ehlers wrote: Hello, I added a new section (2.5) to the Openmoko page on wikipedia in an attempt to reflect the latest status of the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko I also think that the history is a bit short, but I don't know enough to complete it. For instance, I think it was the first commercial free phone. but I don't know when exactly the gta01 and gta02 were commercialized. I also wonder if it's the first commercial phone(or not) that permitted the installation of native applications(I wonder if the app store for the iphone came before or after the openmoko) It would be nice to have more info, because else it would be forgetten... Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli gnu...@no-log.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 10:27 +0200, Eric Ehlers wrote: Hello, I added a new section (2.5) to the Openmoko page on wikipedia in an attempt to reflect the latest status of the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko I also think that the history is a bit short, but I don't know enough to complete it. For instance, I think it was the first commercial free phone. but I don't know when exactly the gta01 and gta02 were commercialized. I also wonder if it's the first commercial phone(or not) that permitted the installation of native applications(I wonder if the app store for the iphone came before or after the openmoko) It would be nice to have more info, because else it would be forgetten... HI Denis We publicly announced the Neo 1973 on November 7th, 2006 at the Open Source in Mobile conference. We expected to ship before the end of the year, but experienced serious delays getting it into production. The first units were shipped to developers in February of 2007. With our online sales starting in July 2007. This was a limited run and we sold out in a few days. Wikipedia says that Apple announced their iPhone on January 9, 2007. And starting selling on June 29, 2007. Here's an article written shortly after our announcement: http://gizmodo.com/229243/openmoko-smartphone-did-they-have-a-time-machine-or-what Hope that helps. And thanks for documenting this! Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
On Friday 29 October 2010, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 10:27 +0200, Eric Ehlers wrote: Hello, I added a new section (2.5) to the Openmoko page on wikipedia in an attempt to reflect the latest status of the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko I also think that the history is a bit short, but I don't know enough to complete it. For instance, I think it was the first commercial free phone. but I don't know when exactly the gta01 and gta02 were commercialized. That should be in the list archives. GTA02 was released start of July 2008, but I don't remember the exact date. I also wonder if it's the first commercial phone(or not) that permitted the installation of native applications(I wonder if the app store for the iphone came before or after the openmoko) It missed that one by a long way. WinCE/WinMo handsets had native applications from the start. They were possible with Symbian too, but less common. It would be nice to have more info, because else it would be forgetten... Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
В Птн, 29/10/2010 в 11:59 +0100, Al Johnson пишет: I also wonder if it's the first commercial phone(or not) that permitted the installation of native applications(I wonder if the app store for the iphone came before or after the openmoko) It missed that one by a long way. WinCE/WinMo handsets had native applications from the start. They were possible with Symbian too, but less common. I don't know about WinCE/WinMo, but once somewhere in 2006 i tried to build small app for my former Symbian phone... Ok, using gcc.exe and make.exe on Linux is special fun. But it turned out that you can use full abilities of your device until you get developer sertificate and/or sign your application. This is done to protect users from malware, but in the end seem you just can't just write big set of apps for your phone. So, vendor controlled which application you can install and which can't. In case of uncontrolled environment you'll just be able to copy commecial apps from root to other phone. Here is example how to 'sign' app for particular phone: http://www.gosymbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=757 http://www.simplysymbian.com/2007/12/18/how-to-symbian-sign-your-freeware-applications-so-you-can-install-stuff-like-rotateme/ My expierence with Symbian were one of reasons to buy Freerunner. Here i can run and compile anything without any troubles. Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
This is done to protect users from malware, Please don't spread such misinformation. It is done to keep control of the device away from the user. I.e. it's only correct if you define malware as program that the company doesn't like, whereas I think it's usually understood as program which does things that the end-user doesn't like. Many pre-installed software on today's popular devices are actually malware (tho only discerning users realize it). Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
