Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
The Digital Pioneer wrote: I was discussing how you might do this on IRC. The problem is when multiple apps are trying to wake up from suspend; I understand the hwclock interrupt can only have one value. You need a program managing a priority queue of interrupts or the like. I suggested using cron for this, but I'm not strong enough with the source to hack it myself. :P Apps should definitely not program the timer themselves. They should call into linux instead, for example by sleeping until the desired point in time. Linux already support hundreds of sleeping apps using only one timer on a pc. The timer is simply set to expire at the first upcoming event. I don't know if the freerunner kernel uses a timer capable of waking the phone from suspend when managing sleeping processes - but it could be made to do so. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Unless I'm quite mistaken, the request was for Openmoko to offer an officially-supported development environment, beyond a tarballed toolchain and wiki instructions. I second that. There are so many bleeding edge software, it has a real barrier (time-consuming installation) to begin to contibute. Eg. What is the most simple method to help paroli (without a freerunner)? It requires e17 from svn and their python bindings, it acts with the FSO stack, need tichy (it is integrated these days,if Im right). (I personally started to install all this stuff on my Desktop, but just gave up after a couple of day) I gave paroli an example for a good reason, because tightly integrated to the phone: - does not require kernel development knowledge - it only requires python knowledge (more easy to catch up as C for example) - it use e17 for the gui (as all the essential program for the phone) - it use FSO So if somebody want to write a nativ program (in the future) for the freerunner, it is best to start contributing to paroli... So an official (maintained) development environment would help the starters. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 10:25 +0100, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Unless I'm quite mistaken, the request was for Openmoko to offer an officially-supported development environment, beyond a tarballed toolchain and wiki instructions. I second that. There are so many bleeding edge software, it has a real barrier (time-consuming installation) to begin to contibute. Eg. What is the most simple method to help paroli (without a freerunner)? It requires e17 from svn and their python bindings, it acts with the FSO stack, need tichy (it is integrated these days,if Im right). (I personally started to install all this stuff on my Desktop, but just gave up after a couple of day) I just added an INSTALL file in paroli rep [0] with some instructions hope it may help. I understand that having to install efl from sources may be annoying for people who just want to give paroli a try. But it really the only thing needed, all the other dependencies (mostly python and a few python libraries) have packages for all common linux distribution. Beside, you don't need to have FSO to try paroli. If it can't find FSO, it will use some dummy services that emulate the presence of a phone stack. - Guillaume [0] http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Samuel Pereira wrote: Hi, If you check this page ...http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html Looks nice. But can you (optionally, per event) have the phone remind you about the upcoming event? Play an alarm sound, and display meeting in 10 min. Very useful, especially if the phone can wake up from suspended state to do this. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
I was discussing how you might do this on IRC. The problem is when multiple apps are trying to wake up from suspend; I understand the hwclock interrupt can only have one value. You need a program managing a priority queue of interrupts or the like. I suggested using cron for this, but I'm not strong enough with the source to hack it myself. :P -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Helge Hafting a écrit : Samuel Pereira wrote: Hi, If you check this page ...http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html Looks nice. But can you (optionally, per event) have the phone remind you about the upcoming event? Play an alarm sound, and display meeting in 10 min. Very useful, especially if the phone can wake up from suspended state to do this. The reminder option is not in the version 0.1.0. -- Yoann. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:45:24 +0100 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz (PV) wrote: I just discoverd the Pimlico project : http://pimlico-project.org/ which aims at providing a simple Pim solution for mobile devices. The website links to some pre-built binaries, but there are none for the gta02. i think this is a continuation of their famous DateBk for palm. i have been using this since 2002 and although there is competitive software for palm out there, DateBk really rocks. They charged about 20USD for it which i paid twice and never regretted that. Making it working on fr would be really cool! Petr hmm, seems that pimlicosoftware.com and pimlico-project.org have no connection. just confusingly similar project names... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Hi all For those under SHR, you need to add the scaredycat repository to install openmoko-dates2 and openmoko-task2. To do so : cd /etc/opkg wget http://buildhost.automated.it/scaredycat.conf opkg update And then opkg install openmoko-dates2 openmoko-tasks2 Feedback compared to the ubuntu version : * In Tasks, - I am not able to add a category. - I cannot add a description * I have not tested Dates yes 2009/1/20 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:45:24 +0100 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz (PV) wrote: I just discoverd the Pimlico project : http://pimlico-project.org/ which aims at providing a simple Pim solution for mobile devices. The website links to some pre-built binaries, but there are none for the gta02. i think this is a continuation of their famous DateBk for palm. i have been using this since 2002 and although there is competitive software for palm out there, DateBk really rocks. They charged about 20USD for it which i paid twice and never regretted that. Making it working on fr would be really cool! Petr hmm, seems that pimlicosoftware.com and pimlico-project.org have no connection. just confusingly similar project names... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
kimaidou a écrit : Hi all For those under SHR, you need to add the scaredycat repository to install openmoko-dates2 and openmoko-task2. To do so : cd /etc/opkg wget http://buildhost.automated.it/scaredycat.conf opkg update And then opkg install openmoko-dates2 openmoko-tasks2 Feedback compared to the ubuntu version : * In Tasks, - I am not able to add a category. - I cannot add a description * I have not tested Dates yes Is it the same version ? In the repository, I can see the 0.1.0 version of openmoko-dates2 and the last release on the website is 0.4.6. Maybe that's not up to date. And I'm looking for an ipkg of the 0.4.6 ;) -- Yoann. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Hmm - pimlico looks much nicer than qtopia-contacts. Any package for this? Rather than develop new generic framework that can be configured to do anything (paroli and friends) - could we not write a dialler that uses this contact management for a quick and easy solution? - Gunnar Samuel Pereira wrote: Hi, If you check this page ...http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html They have a screenshoot of FR. This packages are on opkg. opkg install openmoko-dates2 openmoko-tasks2 In OM2008.x Contacts uses other package from qtopia. Samuel Hi list I just discoverd the Pimlico project : http://pimlico-project.org/ which aims at providing a simple Pim solution for mobile devices. The website links to some pre-built binaries, but there are none for the gta02. I would like to know if someone had or could package the sources for the freerunner ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
I'll try and get some packages up soon, but I've never packaged anything for Debian before, so that may take some time. I had to install quite a to create the debian infrastructure in plain sources i use dh_make it asks you a few questions and the creates the debian/ directory. for version numbering you need to edit debian/changelog, for the description of the package debian/control, for configure options debian/rules. to create a package run fakeroot debian/rules binary and you are good. you could even use dpkg-buildpackage (which works with cross compiling too), besides the package at least it produces *diff.gz, *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz which you can feed to the pbuilder if you don't have a cross compiling environment. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
i find it very frustrating that i and others have lots of software ideas, that can be coded/re-packaged, but we're hamstrung by what should be a fundamental piece of software that openmoko does everything in their power to support switch to debian and the whole fascinating world of debian packages is open to you. openmoko has several times made clear that they have too limited resources to do _everything_ and that they are concentrating on hardware and basic software. everything above that is a community task. and, there's still osmo, at least in debian taht offers the same functionality like pimlico, judging from descriptions and screenshots. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Hi, Try this openmoko-contacts2 Samuel Hmm - pimlico looks much nicer than qtopia-contacts. Any package for this? Rather than develop new generic framework that can be configured to do anything (paroli and friends) - could we not write a dialler that uses this contact management for a quick and easy solution? - Gunnar Samuel Pereira wrote: Hi, If you check this page ...http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html They have a screenshoot of FR. This packages are on opkg. opkg install openmoko-dates2 openmoko-tasks2 In OM2008.x Contacts uses other package from qtopia. Samuel Hi list I just discoverd the Pimlico project : http://pimlico-project.org/ which aims at providing a simple Pim solution for mobile devices. The website links to some pre-built binaries, but there are none for the gta02. I would like to know if someone had or could package the sources for the freerunner ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
On 1/20/09 Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/1/20 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com: Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( join the club i find it very frustrating that i and others have lots of software ideas, that can be coded/re-packaged, but we're hamstrung by what should be a fundamental piece of software that openmoko does everything in their power to support more developers = more software = more phones sold openmoko, any chance of working on this? We have no plans to work on a calendar in 2009. That's a tricky application with lots of details. We want to deliver the basics first. Resources, in 2009, are focused completely on delivering a stable daily phone. I don't want to change this until we meet our goal. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
It's not the calendar we're concerned about. We can't get the toolchain to work. I'm not sure how many others can or can't, but I can't. If I got a working toolchain so I could compile for the FR, then I could go find my own calendar app (such as Pimlico's). :\ -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:40:57 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com wrote: On 1/20/09 Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/1/20 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com: Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( join the club i find it very frustrating that i and others have lots of software ideas, that can be coded/re-packaged, but we're hamstrung by what should be a fundamental piece of software that openmoko does everything in their power to support more developers = more software = more phones sold openmoko, any chance of working on this? We have no plans to work on a calendar in 2009. That's a tricky application with lots of details. We want to deliver the basics first. Resources, in 2009, are focused completely on delivering a stable daily phone. I don't want to change this until we meet our goal. -Sean Unless I'm quite mistaken, the request was for Openmoko to offer an officially-supported development environment, beyond a tarballed toolchain and wiki instructions. Personally I've found the toolchain to be sufficient unto my needs, and have pointed people to an Ubuntu-based vmware image at the FR stuff link in my sig that contains preinstalled toolchain, qemu, and various other useful accoutrements. But an official, actively-maintained and actively-supported complete development environment /would/ be welcomed by many in the community, IMHO. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
I just discoverd the Pimlico project : http://pimlico-project.org/ which aims at providing a simple Pim solution for mobile devices. The website links to some pre-built binaries, but there are none for the gta02. i think this is a continuation of their famous DateBk for palm. i have been using this since 2002 and although there is competitive software for palm out there, DateBk really rocks. They charged about 20USD for it which i paid twice and never regretted that. Making it working on fr would be really cool! Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
seems like somebody already built it for the FR because there are screenshots on their site of pimlico on a FR On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
2009/1/20 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com: Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( join the club i find it very frustrating that i and others have lots of software ideas, that can be coded/re-packaged, but we're hamstrung by what should be a fundamental piece of software that openmoko does everything in their power to support more developers = more software = more phones sold openmoko, any chance of working on this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Hi, If you check this page ...http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html They have a screenshoot of FR. This packages are on opkg. opkg install openmoko-dates2 openmoko-tasks2 In OM2008.x Contacts uses other package from qtopia. Samuel Hi list I just discoverd the Pimlico project : http://pimlico-project.org/ which aims at providing a simple Pim solution for mobile devices. The website links to some pre-built binaries, but there are none for the gta02. I would like to know if someone had or could package the sources for the freerunner ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:20:50 +1300, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/20 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com: Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( join the club i find it very frustrating that i and others have lots of software ideas, that can be coded/re-packaged, but we're hamstrung by what should be a fundamental piece of software that openmoko does everything in their power to support more developers = more software = more phones sold openmoko, any chance of working on this? Depending on your desktop environment, the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain are pretty useful regarding setting up the prepackaged toolchain, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BitBake covers using BitBake to (re)build anything that sports a bitbake recipe. (starting with all of OM, OpenEmbedded, FSO, etc) If your need is to work under Windows, or if for some other reason (even simple convenience ;) you want a self-contained environment, you can find a vmware image of (X)Ubuntu with the toolchain qemu preinstalled and working at the 'FR stuff' link in my sig. Enlightenment E17 and support tools are installed as well though maybe a bit 'stale' as the image hasn't been updated in about three months... It also has bitbake, eclipse, and other stuff installed but not all 'fleshed out' yet. Unfortunately a completely 'tricked-out' development environment image with toolchain and bitbake and everything ready to roll would be quite a bit larger, and I'm not too keen on hosting a 3gb+ download on my personal server. The present 7z archive is about 1.7gb. (so if there's much interest in it, I'd be delighted if someone hosted it somewhere faster than the server in my garage - although my uplink is over 1mbps) I keep meaning to reconstruct the image from scratch with the most recent of everything, but haven't found the time to do so yet. Maybe I'll set aside Saturday to get started on this... The last time took a couple days, what with waiting for downloads, installing/updating/purging a few hundred packages, etc. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Just go to http://software.opensuse.org/search , enter 'openmoko' and you'll get prebuilt toolchain for Opensuse, Fedora, Mandriva, etc. It's about 80MB and it's all you need to start writing programs for openmoko. Leonti On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:20:50 +1300, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/20 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com: Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( join the club i find it very frustrating that i and others have lots of software ideas, that can be coded/re-packaged, but we're hamstrung by what should be a fundamental piece of software that openmoko does everything in their power to support more developers = more software = more phones sold openmoko, any chance of working on this? Depending on your desktop environment, the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain are pretty useful regarding setting up the prepackaged toolchain, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BitBake covers using BitBake to (re)build anything that sports a bitbake recipe. (starting with all of OM, OpenEmbedded, FSO, etc) If your need is to work under Windows, or if for some other reason (even simple convenience ;) you want a self-contained environment, you can find a vmware image of (X)Ubuntu with the toolchain qemu preinstalled and working at the 'FR stuff' link in my sig. Enlightenment E17 and support tools are installed as well though maybe a bit 'stale' as the image hasn't been updated in about three months... It also has bitbake, eclipse, and other stuff installed but not all 'fleshed out' yet. Unfortunately a completely 'tricked-out' development environment image with toolchain and bitbake and everything ready to roll would be quite a bit larger, and I'm not too keen on hosting a 3gb+ download on my personal server. The present 7z archive is about 1.7gb. (so if there's much interest in it, I'd be delighted if someone hosted it somewhere faster than the server in my garage - although my uplink is over 1mbps) I keep meaning to reconstruct the image from scratch with the most recent of everything, but haven't found the time to do so yet. Maybe I'll set aside Saturday to get started on this... The last time took a couple days, what with waiting for downloads, installing/updating/purging a few hundred packages, etc. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 13:57 -0600, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Looks useful. I've been needing a nice calendar app. If someone could package these, that would be great. I would, but I can't use the toolchain. :( I was inspired, so I downloaded the source tarballs for Dates and Contacts, compiled on Debian and tested it out. First impression -- pretty slick. Each uses about 12-13% memory, but is very responsive. I created a web page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pimlico Debian section is my info, the Om2008 is based on another email in the thread, so probably needs to be verified. I'll try and get some packages up soon, but I've never packaged anything for Debian before, so that may take some time. I had to install quite a few development libraries to get them to configure. ...cj ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
