RE: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-02-06 Thread KaZeR
-Message d'origine- Very interesting. Openstreetmap already has a webserver that looks up locations by URL, such as: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=63.41283lon=10.4888zoom=15lay ers=B000FTF Would such an URL work on a MMS-capable phone? This URL is javascript, but a few

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
KaZeR wrote: -Message d'origine- I still dream of sending sentry:map and get a MMS with a map tile back, with the location marked. Don't know if the freerunner can send MMS, mine certainly doesn't receive MMS. (instead, the telco sent an URL for downloading the test image.)

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-30 Thread Helge Hafting
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Later I was on a car trip, not driving. So I watched tangogps for a while. Then I got the idea to test again, knowing that the gps was working. So I sent the message again - from the phone

RE: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-30 Thread KaZeR
-Message d'origine- I still dream of sending sentry:map and get a MMS with a map tile back, with the location marked. Don't know if the freerunner can send MMS, mine certainly doesn't receive MMS. (instead, the telco sent an URL for downloading the test image.) I'm

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread flamma
And when you think you've tracked down the thief and are close to him, send an sms to make it play some music really really loud, and go bang the thief on the head :) Sounds fun. I send the SMS, and suddenly a piercing siren goes off from the guy 10 feet away, so I tackle him and take

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread Yorick Moko
but if the phone automatically send a notification if there is a different sim insterted? that notification can contain the new cell phone number and as many of his contacts as you choose On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM, fla...@correo.ugr.es wrote: And when you think you've tracked down the

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread flamma
Sorry for you, hope you will be over it soon and up and running with a new one. For any ideas regarding this issue, please document them in the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode I think that someone who has stolen a FR will not be willing to use it as a phone and

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread Helge Hafting
bburde...@comcast.net wrote: If you don't want to risk being sued for a booby trapped phone, how Hard to prove whose phone it was, after it exploded. And then they have to prove that it was you who set the trap. Still, not recommended. about at least a way to render the it useless to thieves?

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread arne anka
i still think, all these ideas to make the thief repent ... uh ... return the phone or track it, are rather pipe dreams -- but anyway ... be it for this purpose or another: when finally the migration to qi is done and over, the flash partition containing the kernel read by u-boot should be

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/1/28 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: i still think, all these ideas to make the thief repent ... uh ... return the phone or track it, are rather pipe dreams -- but anyway ... Locked WinMo devices optionally display a message (e.g. for contact/reward details), in addition to the keypad for

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread Helge Hafting
arne anka wrote: i still think, all these ideas to make the thief repent ... uh ... return the phone or track it, are rather pipe dreams -- but anyway ... It isn't always thievery. What do you do if you find a phone? It is easier to return if it states who owns it as soon as you turn it on.

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-28 Thread Helge Hafting
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Later I was on a car trip, not driving. So I watched tangogps for a while. Then I got the idea to test again, knowing that the gps was working. So I sent the message again - from the phone to

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/1/27 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de Hi, sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-) I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of my old phone didn't let me opening web

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread arne anka
I don't know why you guys assume that there will be another user. A scenario that I think is more probable: The thief steals the phone, immediately turns it off by taking out the battery. He then takes it to some 'dealer'. The dealer says, 'what the is this, I will never sell it',

RE: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread KaZeR
-Message d'origine- exactly. therefore i think, the proposed label inside the back cover, offering a reward when contacted via number/email and fr returned, would be far more promising. Would sound like a trap for the thief, no? (even if it's worth trying). I got a

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, January 27, 2009 a las 10:58:49AM +0100, arne anka escribió: I don't know why you guys assume that there will be another user. A scenario that I think is more probable: The thief steals the phone, immediately turns it off by taking out the battery. He then takes it

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread Helge Hafting
The Digital Pioneer wrote: And when you think you've tracked down the thief and are close to him, send an sms to make it play some music really really loud, and go bang the thief on the head :) Sounds fun. I send the SMS, and suddenly a piercing siren goes off from the guy 10

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread Helge Hafting
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: There is a program around that is supposed to look for a special keyword in a sms, and send a gps reading back. It didn't work when I tried it, but this appraoch can be developed into something

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Later I was on a car trip, not driving. So I watched tangogps for a while. Then I got the idea to test again, knowing that the gps was working. So I sent the message again - from the phone to itself. And again nothing

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread bburdette
If you don't want to risk being sued for a booby trapped phone, how about at least a way to render the it useless to thieves? For instance, you could make it unbootable from a zero power situation, and then combine that with a rapid power discharge. If the thief leaves it uncharged for even a

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread Thomas Franck
bburde...@comcast.net wrote: If you don't want to risk being sued for a booby trapped phone, how about at least a way to render the it useless to thieves? I think that the majority of thieves is not technically inclined, thus our FR is _already_ rather useless for him/her.. For instance,

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-27 Thread Yorick Moko
i'm assuming we don't want to brick it, because the thief is not very likely to return the phone if it doesn't work, nor can we track it if it isn't charged. He'(ll just dump the phone. sending gps location (if available), cell tower information and SIM card info (contacts, own number...) in the

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Michele Renda
On 26/01/2009 00:47, fredrik normann wrote: | ... I can only blame my self for being stupid don't blame yourself, this are things that happen :( I think what you are thinking about is possible to do. I was thinking for something about this. Now I have something else to complete, but when I

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Nicola Mfb
2009/1/26 George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.com On Sunday 25 January 2009 23:47:07 fredrik normann wrote: This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. Don't worry, just wait until he turns up here asking for help with the phone he just stole... LOL :) this

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Pander
Sorry for you, hope you will be over it soon and up and running with a new one. For any ideas regarding this issue, please document them in the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode fredrik normann wrote: I'm a bit sad today, yesterday someone stole my phone. I helped a guy in

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Monday, January 26, 2009 a las 10:20:09AM +0100, Pander escribió: Sorry for you, hope you will be over it soon and up and running with a new one. For any ideas regarding this issue, please document them in the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode I think that

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread arne anka
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Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Helge Hafting
The Digital Pioneer wrote: Indeed, GPS fixes are tough to get, but they can be done. Just out of curiosity, can the telco really do all that passive triangulation (or more importantly, can I) they talk about in the movies? :P They have to do some of that anyway, just to make mobile roaming

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread José Miguel Parrella Romero
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 fredrik normann escribió: I'm a bit sad today, yesterday someone stole my phone. I helped a guy in the street calling his girlfriend, (or that what he said) and when I got distracted by a friend of him that asked for a cigarette he just ran

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/1/26 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no Also, a stolen phone could wait for a special message. If you give it up because the telco and police won't bother - have the phone brick itself by wiping out its flash memory. Or better, change the boot to display This phone is stolen from . .

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread The Digital Pioneer
And when you think you've tracked down the thief and are close to him, send an sms to make it play some music really really loud, and go bang the thief on the head :) Sounds fun. I send the SMS, and suddenly a piercing siren goes off from the guy 10 feet away, so I tackle him and take back my

Re: Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread rhn
Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no Also, a stolen phone could wait for a special message. If you give it up because the telco and police won't bother - have the phone brick itself by wiping out its flash memory. Or better, change the boot to display

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: There is a program around that is supposed to look for a special keyword in a sms, and send a gps reading back. It didn't work when I tried it, but this appraoch can be developed into something more robust. Another

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi, sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-) I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of my old phone didn't let me opening web or wap pages. I have some questions and ideas that

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Jeff Sadowski
Oooh :-) Idea: Make it shock the user if its not the right user. I smell smoke I think it is coming from over there. Hey look there is my phone. next to a flaming POS. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote: Hi, sorry for you all that lost your phone,

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread George Brooke
On Sunday 25 January 2009 23:47:07 fredrik normann wrote: This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. Don't worry, just wait until he turns up here asking for help with the phone he just stole... solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread fredrik normann
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sunday 25 January 2009 23:47:07 fredrik normann wrote: This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. Don't worry, just wait until he turns up here asking for help with the phone he just

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread Richy
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Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/1/26 fredrik normann fredrik.normann.j...@gmail.com: I'm a bit sad today, yesterday someone stole my phone. I helped a guy in the street calling his girlfriend, (or that what he said) and when I got distracted by a friend of him that asked for a cigarette he just ran away I can only

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread The Digital Pioneer
This is an excellent idea. I've been wondering about this. If I had GPRS, I would SSH in (possible? Getting the IP would be tricky) and pull GPS coordinates. But I don't have GPRS. I think it would be good to implement some kind of SIM-based security, along with a way to send some kind of panic

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread William Kenworthy
Problem with gps is that its slow to get a fix, sometimes very slow, and the phone may (probably?) be indoors or a car much of the time - so waiting for a fix is going to be a problem. Trigger with an unknown SIM card. Send a first panic, I've been stolen! sms message with as much detail as

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Indeed, GPS fixes are tough to get, but they can be done. Just out of curiosity, can the telco really do all that passive triangulation (or more importantly, can I) they talk about in the movies? :P -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread William Kenworthy
Apparently yes: here in Oz you can go to your telco and get the phone disabled if its been stolen - (tahts the phone itself, not the SIM is prevented from connecting - via IMIE I think). The cops can get location info, thoughs it is apparently more like somewhere about there in accuracy. Thats

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread w23
The Digital Pioneer пишет: This is an excellent idea. I've been wondering about this. If I had GPRS, I would SSH in (possible? Getting the IP would be tricky) and pull GPS coordinates. But I don't have GPRS. I think it would be good to implement some kind of SIM-based security, along with a

Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-25 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:10:54 -0600, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, GPS fixes are tough to get, but they can be done. Just out of curiosity, can the telco really do all that passive triangulation (or more importantly, can I) they talk about in the movies? :P --