Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-28 Thread Lech Karol Pawłaszek
Michele Renda wrote: Il 26/12/2008 14:10, Minh Ha Duong ha scritto: Put it on the wiki, but please do find a better place for it rather than Email not to lose ! I accept any suggestion! How about the FAQ wiki page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ OTOH it's highly cluttered right now

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-26 Thread Michele Renda
I think this email is giving a lot of explanation. Is ok to put this on Wiki? (In a section Email not to lose?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-26 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Le vendredi 26 décembre 2008, Michele Renda a écrit : I think this email is giving a lot of explanation. Is ok to put this on Wiki? (In a section Email not to lose?) Put it on the wiki, but please do find a better place for it rather than Email not to lose ! Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-26 Thread Michele Renda
Il 26/12/2008 14:10, Minh Ha Duong ha scritto: Put it on the wiki, but please do find a better place for it rather than Email not to lose ! I accept any suggestion! Reading all the email, I found a lot of email where some people give very important informations,that I think some other

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 26.12.2008 um 13:16 schrieb Michele Renda: Il 26/12/2008 14:10, Minh Ha Duong ha scritto: Put it on the wiki, but please do find a better place for it rather than Email not to lose ! I accept any suggestion! What about Stage of GTA03 development ? Reading all the email, I found a lot

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-26 Thread Michele Renda
Il 26/12/2008 14:32, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ha scritto: What about Stage of GTA03 development ? It seem to be a better name (but it think it will be more gossip than a stage of GTA03), Until now Iwould like to add there two items:

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-26 Thread haduong
Dear Michele, Put it on the wiki, but please do find a better place for it rather than Email not to lose ! Reading all the email, I found a lot of email where some people give very important informations,that I think some other people can be interested on. It just want to be a list of link

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-26 Thread Michele Renda
Il 26/12/2008 20:14, hadu...@centre-cired.fr ha scritto: May I kindly suggest that the community newsletter is a good place to add links with a brief description of important emails ? Here is the draft of the next issue, help is immensely appreciated:

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-25 Thread Alberto Morales
El Jueves, 25 de Diciembre de 2008, Carsten Haitzler escribió: actually the cpu (soc) and graphics are about as old-school as the 2g gprs. :) definitely far from state of the art. only things on freerunner that are modern are: LCD GPS Wifi BT case design (sorry the indented screen is very

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-25 Thread Steve Mosher
WRT the hole. I have visit the emergency room to get stitches in my tongue. happy hole e days fla...@correo.ugr.es wrote: Evgeny Karyakin wrote: Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think we shouldn't follow everything Apple come out with, and I second to pill

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-25 Thread Steve Mosher
Thanks Dr. H.N. you put it all very well. I'll inline some additions. Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Leonti, sorry I was a bit too ironical in my answer. So let me explain. Nikolaus Am 17.12.2008 um 15:24 schrieb Leonti Bielski: Nikolaus, I don't get what's wrong with my questions?

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Sargun Dhillon
I don't care for 3G. GSM is a crappy technology here in the states (I blame the implementors). We have flat data rates for a variety of reasons. Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same standards as

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread rakshat hooja
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.comxbmodder%2bopenm...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for 3G. GSM is a crappy technology here in the states (I blame the implementors). We have flat data rates for a variety of reasons. Additionally, why are we expecting

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Gothnet
rakshat hooja wrote: Also if there are reports of 3G dongles working well with the Freerunner, please post them on this list/ wiki. Resellers can start stocking them if the demand is there. Rakshat AAH! I don't want to have to have a dongle, probably with a separate contract, in

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Gothnet
Sargun Dhillon wrote: Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same standards as Apple, HTC, etc... Apple can't get 3G in the iPhone for two years. For which they were heavily criticised because

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread rakshat hooja
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.netwrote: rakshat hooja wrote: Also if there are reports of 3G dongles working well with the Freerunner, please post them on this list/ wiki. Resellers can start stocking them if the demand is there. Rakshat

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Gothnet
rakshat hooja wrote: I am talking about GTA 02 and people who already own it and need to use 3G. GTA 02 does not have 3G built in sorry if if this was not clear in my mail Rakshat Sorry, thought you were suggesting it as a get-out-of-jail-free for OM and 3G on the 03. If you

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread Sargun Dhillon
Man, I really don't care for 3G. I don't know if the GTA03 is going to be slated on a production-quality phone, but for development purposes, and as a device which I can use as a general purpose embedded projects base, 3G doesn't matter. If I want data speeds, I'm going to veer away from GSM, as

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:19:02 -0800 (PST) Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net babbled: Sargun Dhillon wrote: Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same standards as Apple, HTC, etc... Apple

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
well ... in tree years 3g chipsets will down the price ;), and also 8 Mpx cameras will be cheap XD, even microprojectors maybe affordable. Sean then I have time to teach kernel hacking to my two years daughter to hack the GTA04 2008/12/23 Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com: On 12/23/08 AVee

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Gothnet
Helge Hafting wrote: Making a good small lens is not a problem, a good small sensor is. Japanese tourists may be satisfied, but perhaps they just aren't that good photographers. Small-sensor images can be reasonable under ideal lighting conditions, but hopeless for most other cases. But

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Ben
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote We perhaps will be most surprised how much a 3G modem will cost... If you live in an Australian city to get reliable coverage you need to be with 3 or Telstra, the competitors don't cut it. 3 is about 1/10th the

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Milos Mandaric
U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02 +1100, Ben je napisao/la: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a big difference.

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Sargun Dhillon
Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user, I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please clarify. -Thanks. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote: U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:24:01 -0800 Sargun Dhillon xbmodder +openm...@gmail.com babbled: 3g == umts+ (hd*pa etc.) Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user, I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Milos Mandaric
U Uto, 23. 12. 2008., u 20:24 -0800, Sargun Dhillon je napisao/la: Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user, I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please clarify. -Thanks. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:19

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Ben Wilson
Gothnet wrote: 3G is an absolute must for the gta03, without it it's just a phone with a lousy connection most of the time. Or would be if I could be bothered to try getting GPRS working... I'm pretty sure the specs for GTA03 are set and it's 2.75G / edge. 3G will be in GTA04 at the

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Ben
that's a shame, guess I'll have to get an android then, as the minimum requirement for a phone for me is that I can call people on it, and in Australia, that means 3G if you want good coverage and/or a good price. On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz wrote: Gothnet

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread Justyn Butler
This is all very interesting (and sad, of course). 2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules so you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of $100-$300 per module

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread Sargun Dhillon
Does OM even sell that many units? I thought it was more in the 3-5k range as of now. The Telit module would be nice, but is quite expensive. I've also looked at Sierra, but all their modules are MiniPCI based. One of the neat things about going with a Telit module, would be OM could ship with the

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:50:33 + Justyn Butler justynbutler +openm...@googlemail.com babbled: thanks for the good numeric example. as you see - it's pretty much the ballpark i was talking about - and yes - u'd get a discount, but you may find the $200 goes to $100 - at best if u order 1k most

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread AVee
On Wednesday 17 December 2008 02:36, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:31:01 -0800 Sargun Dhillon xbmodder +openm...@gmail.com babbled: you might want to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect this killed an entire company - it ceased to exist. again.

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/23/08 AVee wrote: Regardless, there may well be a Reverse Osborne Effect as well, I bought a Freerunner, but right now I probably wouldn't buy one again, but wait for the GTA03. If there was a definitive statement telling me that would take at least an other year to get done I

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from the garage to make room for the hummer. Mhmhmh... I'm not in that world at all. Please

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/12/18 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-21 Thread Milos Mandaric
U Pon, 22. 12. 2008., u 03:19 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) je napisao/la: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from the

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:19:30 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-21 Thread Michele Renda
Thank you for your very clear explanation. Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Friday 19 December 2008 02:10:59 W.Kenworthy wrote: Actually, please add a camera. Many techos (that is those who work in technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work. I.e., photos of situations, faults etc for reference/passing on to support etc. Only one device to carry,

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing | discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03 | synchronize with the current state of your home town and start trying

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/12/19 Andreas Pokorny andreas.poko...@gmail.com: Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03 synchronize with the current state of your home town and start trying some new keys in the neighbourhood as

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Andreas Pokorny
Hello, 2008/12/19 Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com: 2008/12/19 Andreas Pokorny andreas.poko...@gmail.com: Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03 synchronize with the current state of your home

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:52:51 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no babbled: but more to the point - travel around japan. watch people on holiday (the japanese) or watch them when they travel. guess what the camera of choice is that they pull out?

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Joel Newkirk wrote: Unfortunately there are also those in technical areas who are prohibited from having a camera in the workplace. There are other situations where it's prohibited (at least in my experience) like courthouses. It's one of those pretty clear-cut you'll never please

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/12/19 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no: Something pluggable isn't that bad - we have plugs for USB and headset anyway. :-) Perhaps a modular phone is too expensive, it'd still be nice with a slot for an extra card. No moving parts, just a slot similiar to a cheap card reader. And

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:44:22 + Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com babbled: 2008/12/19 Andreas Pokorny andreas.poko...@gmail.com: Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03 synchronize with the

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Stroller
On 19 Dec 2008, at 01:10, W.Kenworthy wrote: ... Actually, please add a camera. Many techos (that is those who work in technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work. I.e., photos of situations, faults etc for reference/passing on to support etc. Only one device to carry, and

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread carmen
On Fri Dec 19, 2008 at 10:17:40AM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Friday 19 December 2008 02:10:59 W.Kenworthy wrote: Actually, please add a camera. Many techos (that is those who work in technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work. I.e., photos of situations, faults etc

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 18.12.2008 um 00:12 schrieb Will Siddall: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all! We perhaps will be most surprised how much a 3G modem will cost... I have to agree with

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:46:54 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: Am 18.12.2008 um 00:12 schrieb Will Siddall: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all!

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Pander
How is UMTS support on GTA03 (read support in Japan)? On Thu, December 18, 2008 10:02, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:46:54 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: Am 18.12.2008 um 00:12 schrieb Will Siddall: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:25:54 +0100 (CET) Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net babbled: don't know - i dont work on gta03, but i do know in japan there is ONLY 3g+ - no 2g. :) (well pre 3g there were proprietary packet-based networks in japan). How is UMTS support on GTA03 (read support in

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread john
A similar situation in London. Apparently we have the most WiFi hotspots in comparison to other cities [1] but you will have to pay to use the majority of these as they are operated by telecos like BT. [1]

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Pander
hotpots in the world: http://maps.fon.com/ On Thu, December 18, 2008 10:51, john wrote: A similar situation in London. Apparently we have the most WiFi hotspots in comparison to other cities [1] but you will have to pay to use the majority of these as they are operated by telecos like BT.

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Justyn Butler
2008/12/18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org: My practical experience is: a) in areas (urban) where you have HSDPA speed, you also have WiFi hotspots b) in all other areas (more rural) your connection falls back to GPRS anyway So, a phone that combines GPRS and WiFi is a little

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Michael Zanetti
As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net babbled: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread DJDAS
Michael Zanetti ha scritto: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti babbled: i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Justyn Butler
2008/12/18 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Pander
Sony Ericsson has very good camera's in their phone but this will cost indeed a lot in the range (production number) of Neo. I've noticed that I'd use the camera a lot for making notes of advertisements and posters in the city. Also in some countries, like Japan, the square barcode is used a lot

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:38:27PM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti babbled: i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Having a hackable eye on the Neo will open a lot of new posibilities, multiply this posibilities with gps*wifi*accelerometers* 2008/12/18 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: Sony Ericsson has very good camera's in their phone but this will cost indeed a lot in the range (production number)

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:52:20 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org babbled: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:38:27PM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti babbled: i have. and millions of

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:24:52 pm Michael Zanetti wrote: - Please don't add a camera Or make it optional, I have friends who are are now working in a building where cameras are forbidden (a car company) and so will have to discard their iPhones and Apple laptops for precisely this reason..

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:14PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:52:20 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org babbled: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:38:27PM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Will Siddall
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:02 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: a 3g modem/module/chipset is REALLY expensive. especially if you have low volume (that means less than a few hundred thousand units). you pay a small fortune in royalties too. It is true, 3G is

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Pander
On Thu, December 18, 2008 13:15, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: ... OTOH, loose one, loose all... That is where online backups to servers and address book and calendar synchronisation with your laptop/dekstop are for. Rui -- Today is Boomtime, the 60th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread kenneth marken
Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/12/18 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck?

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: hotpots in the world: http://maps.fon.com/ this map is faked cause a node is added once you entered your coord in order to receive one router. No matter if you move between, or if you never plug it on... I agree to

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
I think this discussion does not get my original point, which does take the useage pattern into account. When I am at work, at University, at home, visiting friends, I always have an open WiFi. In most of these locations I also have HSDPA. At my parents, mother-in-law's location or in

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:59:25PM +0100, Pander wrote: On Thu, December 18, 2008 13:15, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: ... OTOH, loose one, loose all... That is where online backups to servers and address book and calendar synchronisation with your laptop/dekstop are for. Do they give me

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net babbled: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:52:51 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net babbled: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:08:09 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: i'm taking usage pattern into account - and when i'm @ wifi.. i also have a keyboard, screen and real machine to use... so if i want to check something/google for it or whatever - i use something more

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Justyn Butler
2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:08:09 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: i'm taking usage pattern into account - and when i'm @ wifi.. i also have a keyboard, screen and real machine to use... so if i want to check

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Sam Kuper
2008/12/18 Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com: 2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:08:09 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: i'm taking usage pattern into account - and when i'm @ wifi.. i also have a

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread NeilBrown
On Fri, December 19, 2008 9:34 am, Carsten Haitzler wrote: 2g is charged by the kb at insane rates. ($1.65/mb is three's going rate for 2g data - whereas their 3g data rates are more like $0.0068/mb. now you know why 3g is so important? 2g data is 241 TIMES more expensive than 3g. and three

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:00:05 +1100 (EST) NeilBrown ne...@suse.de babbled: On Fri, December 19, 2008 9:34 am, Carsten Haitzler wrote: 2g is charged by the kb at insane rates. ($1.65/mb is three's going rate for 2g data - whereas their 3g data rates are more like $0.0068/mb. now you know

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 12:24 +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:10:59 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 12:24 +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread Andreas Pokorny
Hello, 2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty wifi hotspots you have to pay for. [...] I experience the very

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 05:00:30PM +0100, Ed Kapitein wrote: On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 16:12 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: Evgeny Karyakin wrote: Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think we shouldn't follow everything Apple come out with, and I second to pill

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Evgeny Karyakin
2008/12/17 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com: For case design, I find these (among others) great: - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 - http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png - iphone Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think we shouldn't

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread flamma
Evgeny Karyakin wrote: Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think we shouldn't follow everything Apple come out with, and I second to pill case. When I first saw GTA02 look, I thought it's ugly, but that was just because it's unusual; now I like it and like a

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: That would shine a light on the what is a small... definition! Orange label: WARNING: if it fits, it IS small! :) Maybe we should 3nl4rge the hole. There's pills for that on the internet (and all over my INBOX). --

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Leonti, sorry I was a bit too ironical in my answer. So let me explain. Nikolaus Am 17.12.2008 um 15:24 schrieb Leonti Bielski: Nikolaus, I don't get what's wrong with my questions? Nothing is wrong with the questions. Only expecting precise answers from the project team before there is an

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
IMHO this is quite irrelevant. What the OM ecosystem needs is to go into a direction as shown by AppStore, Android Market etc. I.e. a full solution consisting of: a) Content (the open variant will be Wikipedia, Openstreetmap etc.) b) Application Store (that is what projects.openmoko.org

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
2008/12/17 Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.com: Meh, I actually like the pill design quite a bit! What's so wrong with the pill? Because the screen does not have a pill form? Imho the design should highlight the beautiful screen and not hide it, as the current one does. The surface

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Helge Hafting
Evgeny Karyakin wrote: Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think we shouldn't follow everything Apple come out with, and I second to pill case. When I first saw GTA02 look, I thought it's ugly, but that was just because it's unusual; now I like it and like a bottom

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Michele Renda
Il 17/12/2008 00:28, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ha scritto: Cinterion mc75i If someone need, here the specifications: http://www.wmocean.com/cinterion-siemens-mc75i/1007431/datasheet_scalableplatformmc75itc65itc63i_175016.pdf ___ Openmoko community

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Leonti Bielski
Nikolaus, I don't get what's wrong with my questions? 1. About the case design - it was a poll on ML about different types of case - with keypad, without, slider, etc. So I think it make sense to ask what was finally chosen. 2. GSM chip: Look in here how many chips were considered:

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread rakshat hooja
[About keyboard] All that you said makes a lot of sense to me. Also, I haven't missed a physical keyboard on the freerunner, if anyone cares. +1 Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Sargun Dhillon
That's a pretty neat device. TCP/IP offload anyone? Or Push on the modem? Also, are we expecting any updates from the page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 Are the prototype boards available to the public? On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com wrote: Il

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Ed Kapitein
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 16:12 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: Evgeny Karyakin wrote: Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think we shouldn't follow everything Apple come out with, and I second to pill case. When I first saw GTA02 look, I thought it's ugly, but that

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
I took the black pill! On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 01:54:00AM -0800, Sargun Dhillon wrote: Meh, I actually like the pill design quite a bit! What's so wrong with the pill? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Justyn Butler
I'll just take this opportunity to politely wave a sign for everyone who thinks the GTA03 needs 3G. - Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all!

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-17 Thread Will Siddall
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all! I have to agree with Justyn and say that we need a 3G phone. I bought this phone in hopes that I can use it when I travel around.

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-16 Thread Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster
Leonti Bielski schrieb: Hello! As proud Freerunner owner I'm interested in how the development of GTA03 goes. I'm not going to buy it - there is still a lot of fun with FR, but it would be interesting to know something about next open phone. Wiki page is outdated and there is no updates on

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