RE: Stylus Recommendation
How do you think I knew about rod holders? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:47 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Stylus Recommendation steve writes: haha. this will make you laugh. Not if you're a fisherman... though I've got rod holders I like a lot better. Like this in miniature mounted vertically on the back panel. backwoods geek! http://www.rodmounts.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
haha. this will make you laugh. Like this in miniature mounted vertically on the back panel. backwoods geek! http://www.rodmounts.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck? steve wrote: I'm goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel. Have you used emachine shop? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Crane, Matthew *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* RE: Stylus Recommendation Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steven Milburn *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. ?I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design ?if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
steve writes: haha. this will make you laugh. Not if you're a fisherman... though I've got rod holders I like a lot better. Like this in miniature mounted vertically on the back panel. backwoods geek! http://www.rodmounts.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Am Di 6. Mai 2008 schrieb steve: My truck and 4 dollar gas are not a marriage made in heaven micheal. A hemi was great when gas was 2 bucks, but now, ouch. I have some fun ideas on various approaches. I should have said fishing rod holder as opposed to gun rack. Does your GTA01 back panel fit on an A02?. Think so, no visible difference. (not tested yet, at least by me) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
On Mon, 5 May 2008, steve wrote: I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby friendly as you note. My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be) The material (between metal and plastic, anyway) greatly affects your tool choices, and there are big differences on whether the cost is dominated by set-up costs or per-unit costs. If you want just one of something, I think the rapid prototype process for an ABS plastic part is way cheaper than anything that you can get for metal. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Tom Russell wrote: I like to have both a pen and stylus handy but hate carrying more than necessary. I found a very small (10cm, closed) combo What about those [1] ? I like the Confort Stylus... [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stylus_Alternatives -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Hi, Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. really a cool idea. Respect! Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
On Monday 05 May 2008 15:37:17 David Samblas Martinez wrote: Hey I like it too!! It can act as dirty protection for the usb connector. Or it could yank it right out of the case if you're not careful... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Milburn Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
XD I have not think about it Grabriel , you are right if it is a starndard mini usb metal conector. But if instead of we use a some rubbish,flexible fake conector(I have this kind of material protecting some connectors of my camera and my phone) the yank danger can be avoided. --- Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Monday 05 May 2008 15:37:17 David Samblas Martinez wrote: Hey I like it too!! It can act as dirty protection for the usb connector. Or it could yank it right out of the case if you're not careful... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
I’m goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel. Have you used emachine shop? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crane, Matthew Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: Stylus Recommendation Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Milburn Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I just drew up my first part. The price quote was $1600! :-( (In all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in aluminum.) Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs? -Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you used emachine shop? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck? steve wrote: I’m goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel. Have you used emachine shop? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Crane, Matthew *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* RE: Stylus Recommendation Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steven Milburn *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something that might work would be a guitar finger pick. Here's a link to a selection of those: http://www.suncreekmusic.com/index.php/cPath/26_34 I thought of buying a simple plastic keyring. I think that the following could do the trick, but I am a little worried about damaging the screen of the phone. http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(5ebbkvzk4jdg2i55dldmps55)/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=5169487 Niels ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Michael Shiloh writes: How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck? It's jest a real BIG stylus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby friendly as you note. My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be) You've seen the fishing rod holders. small rubber part u-shaped things. pry it open slip the rod in... I'm thinking down those lines, just for me, not a company endorsed thing. Just messing around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:30 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation I just drew up my first part. The price quote was $1600! :-( (In all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in aluminum.) Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs? -Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you used emachine shop? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Stylus Recommendation
My truck and 4 dollar gas are not a marriage made in heaven micheal. A hemi was great when gas was 2 bucks, but now, ouch. I have some fun ideas on various approaches. I should have said fishing rod holder as opposed to gun rack. Does your GTA01 back panel fit on an A02?. My A01 is loaned out so I need to get it back and maybe perform some surgery, when I'm less busy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck? steve wrote: I'm goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel. Have you used emachine shop? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Crane, Matthew *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* RE: Stylus Recommendation Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop. But how tightly can something like that be locked to the side of the phone? A usb connector by itself is probally not suffecient no? * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steven Milburn *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: Stylus Recommendation Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread Someone (read: not me. I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector sticking out along the side. Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. ?I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design ?if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Ponoko has acrylic in 1/8 and some 1/4 thicknesses that you can get laser-cut for fairly reasonable prices - IIRC, they just opened a bay-area cut/ship center to reduce shipping in the US (they're originally from New Zealand!). Looks like a typical project from 7x7x1/8 acrylic is around $10-$20. That's potentially several stylus-racks. --pj On Monday, May 5, 2008, steve writes: I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby friendly as you note. My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be) You've seen the fishing rod holders. small rubber part u-shaped things. pry it open slip the rod in... I'm thinking down those lines, just for me, not a company endorsed thing. Just messing around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:30 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation I just drew up my first part. The price quote was $1600! :-( (In all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in aluminum.) Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs? -Steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you used emachine shop? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small, cheap, I like how they fit into the casing of the DS. I would try to use the FreeRunner CAD data ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E files. As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project. On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Steve, I am very pleased to see that in fact the openmoko team is considering our ideas. I didn't want to offend in any way you or the team. steve wrote: pre wrapNicanor, We were all high school students, and not all of us were EE. So your opinion counts, and yes I read it. I spent a good deal of time today fiddling with different stylus ideas. ON one hand we do not want to burden the design ( The ID or the software ) with a requirement to use a stylus. On the other hand, we cannot stop people from writing software that works better with a stylus. So, How to balance these two. Some of the ideas on the list have given me some thoughts. I'll share them with the Industrial design guys. Good ideas can come from anywhere. From the High school student to old guys who has done this for years. So, as an exercise, look through the list. Collect the ideas. List there pros and cons. See what you come up with. draw some pictures. If we had a monopoly on good ideas we would not be open source. Steve And you just gave me a great idea! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicanor Babula Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:39 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation I am not an electrical engineer either (I'm a highschool student) and I think that it's more important to get the phone ready than problems like where the stylus will be attached?. In the end the freerunner will be a developer and not an end user phone. Besides I don't know how much the OpenMoko team is considering our suggestions (no offence). gt; Kim Alvefur wrote: /preblockquote type=citepre wrapOn Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:56 -0500, Hans L wrote: /preblockquote type=citepre wrapOn Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; /pre/blockquote/blockquotepre wrap!wrote: /preblockquote type=citeblockquote type=citepre wrap /preblockquote type=citepre wrap I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, /pre/blockquote/blockquote/blockquotepre wrap!because /preblockquote type=citeblockquote type=citeblockquote type=citepre wrapany movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor /pre/blockquote/blockquote/blockquotepre wrap!existing /preblockquote type=citeblockquote type=citeblockquote type=citepre wrapin its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current /pre/blockquote/blockquote/blockquotepre wrap!might /preblockquote type=citeblockquote type=citeblockquote type=citepre wrapdamage or disturb the phone itself. /pre/blockquotepre wrapI am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is there even enough ferrous material concentrated towards the back of the neo to accomplish this? /pre/blockquotepre wrap The battery? AFAIK lots of phone holders have magnets that attach to the battery through the back. /pre/blockquotepre wrap! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community /pre/body /html /html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create large additional costs. Check it out: http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I've actually thought about the stylus issue, and it's a small shame that there isn't storage for the stylus within the freerunner itself. One idea would be to make a magnetic flat stylys that should attach itself to the back of the Freerunner? Its profile could be be shaped like this |) with a place for a nail to get it loose, and pointy ends. This way it would probably stay with the freerunner and it would be easily accessible. I'd probably try doing something like this myself if I had some experience in that field. Cheers, Kalle Tom Russell wrote: I like to have both a pen and stylus handy but hate carrying more than necessary. I found a very small (10cm, closed) combo from Fisher http://www.spacepen.com/Public/Products/BulletPen/Stylus/index.cfm?productID=74 It doesn't take up much space in my pocket, so I can carry it everywhere. While I look forward to the multi-function stylus that will come with my Freerunner (my cat loves laser pointers), this has been a great tool. Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current might damage or disturb the phone itself. Instead of attaching the stylus to the phone, I think it would be an extraordinary idea creating some kind of portable pouch/box with a special place for the stylus. Kalle Happonen wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedI've actually thought about the stylus issue, and it's a small shame that there isn't storage for the stylus within the freerunner itself. One idea would be to make a magnetic flat stylys that should attach itself to the back of the Freerunner? Its profile could be be shaped like this |) with a place for a nail to get it loose, and pointy ends. This way it would probably stay with the freerunner and it would be easily accessible. I'd probably try doing something like this myself if I had some experience in that field. Cheers, Kalle Tom Russell wrote: I like to have both a pen and stylus handy but hate carrying more than necessary. I found a very small (10cm, closed) combo from Fisher http://www.spacepen.com/Public/Products/BulletPen/Stylus/index.cfm?productID=74 It doesn't take up much space in my pocket, so I can carry it everywhere. While I look forward to the multi-function stylus that will come with my Freerunner (my cat loves laser pointers), this has been a great tool. Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community /div ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current might damage or disturb the phone itself. I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is there even enough ferrous material concentrated towards the back of the neo to accomplish this? Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:56 -0500, Hans L wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current might damage or disturb the phone itself. I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is there even enough ferrous material concentrated towards the back of the neo to accomplish this? The battery? AFAIK lots of phone holders have magnets that attach to the battery through the back. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I am not an electrical engineer either (I'm a highschool student) and I think that it's more important to get the phone ready than problems like where the stylus will be attached?. In the end the freerunner will be a developer and not an end user phone. Besides I don't know how much the OpenMoko team is considering our suggestions (no offence). Kim Alvefur wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:56 -0500, Hans L wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current might damage or disturb the phone itself. I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is there even enough ferrous material concentrated towards the back of the neo to accomplish this? The battery? AFAIK lots of phone holders have magnets that attach to the battery through the back. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Nicanor, We were all high school students, and not all of us were EE. So your opinion counts, and yes I read it. I spent a good deal of time today fiddling with different stylus ideas. ON one hand we do not want to burden the design ( The ID or the software ) with a requirement to use a stylus. On the other hand, we cannot stop people from writing software that works better with a stylus. So, How to balance these two. Some of the ideas on the list have given me some thoughts. I'll share them with the Industrial design guys. Good ideas can come from anywhere. From the High school student to old guys who has done this for years. So, as an exercise, look through the list. Collect the ideas. List there pros and cons. See what you come up with. draw some pictures. If we had a monopoly on good ideas we would not be open source. Steve And you just gave me a great idea! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicanor Babula Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:39 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation I am not an electrical engineer either (I'm a highschool student) and I think that it's more important to get the phone ready than problems like where the stylus will be attached?. In the end the freerunner will be a developer and not an end user phone. Besides I don't know how much the OpenMoko team is considering our suggestions (no offence). Kim Alvefur wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:56 -0500, Hans L wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current might damage or disturb the phone itself. I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is there even enough ferrous material concentrated towards the back of the neo to accomplish this? The battery? AFAIK lots of phone holders have magnets that attach to the battery through the back. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:38:40 +0200 Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: we can't consider them - you're right. freerunner is done. we can't go add magnets to hold a stylus or anything else. there is nothing we can do to change the freerunner (gta02) hardware or case or anything at this stage. of course we can do things to change future phones before we have a case design and mold done. once a case mold is done - there pretty much is no changing it (changes may cost in the order of $100,000 or more, depending on complexity and how many moulds are affected). remember that cost would then need to be passed on in the product as a development cost. so if we expect to sell 10,000 phones, then we would add $10 to every phone - minimum. probably much more than that. major case changes may cost $500,000 or more. in fact if we know the cost has to go up by $10 we realise we will sell fewer because of the higher cost, thus to make up for the loss in unit sales... we have to increase even more - so a $10 increase just on the cost basis becomes a $20 increase in retail price. a complex change may then increase a phone cost by $100... :( so... remember - every change that is requested is a cost. especially case changes. no such thing as a free lunch! :( I am not an electrical engineer either (I'm a highschool student) and I think that it's more important to get the phone ready than problems like where the stylus will be attached?. In the end the freerunner will be a developer and not an end user phone. Besides I don't know how much the OpenMoko team is considering our suggestions (no offence). Kim Alvefur wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:56 -0500, Hans L wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current might damage or disturb the phone itself. I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is there even enough ferrous material concentrated towards the back of the neo to accomplish this? The battery? AFAIK lots of phone holders have magnets that attach to the battery through the back. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Lots of nice ideas. I like the groove idea, like the toothpick holder in a swiss army knife. I've been writing an article with the ID professor who took our CAD files and did a cool mod on them. I'll share people's ideas with him, and see what he thinks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Rutledge Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a small, really strong neodymium magnet. Then use a thin steel stylus (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has the magnet. It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it had a slightly concave shape. Or mod the case to have a shallow groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested. Since the magnet doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go off in a curve instead. Not sure if that would affect anything...) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
You also might be interested in a stylus that attaches to your fingertip, as opposed to pen style, as discussed previously: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/010165.html Hans On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Tom Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like to have both a pen and stylus handy but hate carrying more than necessary. I found a very small (10cm, closed) combo from Fisher http://www.spacepen.com/Public/Products/BulletPen/Stylus/index.cfm?productID=74 It doesn't take up much space in my pocket, so I can carry it everywhere. While I look forward to the multi-function stylus that will come with my Freerunner (my cat loves laser pointers), this has been a great tool. Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:07:52 +0200, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also might be interested in a stylus that attaches to your fingertip, as opposed to pen style, as discussed previously: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/010165.html It's called “fingernail”. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stylus Recommendation
Something that might work would be a guitar finger pick. Here's a link to a selection of those: http://www.suncreekmusic.com/index.php/cPath/26_34 The plastic ones would be the way to go. The only thing is its kind of wide like a fingernail, not a precise stylus point. but a little work with a dremel or the like would fix that... Hans L wrote: You also might be interested in a stylus that attaches to your fingertip, as opposed to pen style, as discussed previously: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/010165.html Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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If a stylus is necessary, I want one like the touchpen that comes with the Cowon D2 (http://www.cowonglobal.com/product_wide/product_D2_feature.php) I just can't find the stylus for sale anywhere. -Steven On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Tom Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like to have both a pen and stylus handy but hate carrying more than necessary. I found a very small (10cm, closed) combo from Fisher http://www.spacepen.com/Public/Products/BulletPen/Stylus/index.cfm?productID=74 It doesn't take up much space in my pocket, so I can carry it everywhere. While I look forward to the multi-function stylus that will come with my Freerunner (my cat loves laser pointers), this has been a great tool. Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
