Re: Updates
asking the same questions i came up with these answers: Should I think of u-boot as the OpenMoko version of Grub? kinda. and some kind of bios, maybe. In which case why can't opkg update this? because (that's what i figured out) it's binary data and written directly. the area might not even be accessible from within the running fr. opkg can also update the kernel and the root filesystem, right? Advantages/disadvantages with the two approaches? flashing should be faster (never tried, though) and easier. and it works w/o working network on the fr. Does flashing the root filesystem wipe out /home? yepp. that's a big disadvantage imho. in short (and hope of correction): - flashing uImage and rootImage are equivalent to doing opkg update opkg upgrade, but flashing rewrites the whole fs, so everything modified is lost - uBoot can only be flashed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 15:02, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - flashing uImage and rootImage are equivalent to doing opkg update opkg upgrade, but flashing rewrites the whole fs, so everything modified is lost How did you execute opkg upgrade ? It failed for me opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was dropped. Tried again from FR terminal, and it ran until something like X was restarted. it is the same as in this other post in dev list : opkg issues. best way to run opkg On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 04:20, Yohann (YC) Coppel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received the FR, and I try to update it using opkg. [...] Ok, but then, if I still try to run opkg upgrade, it runs, download a lot of things, and start upgrading. The problem is that if I run the command by ssh, the connection is cut during the process: Restarting Dropbear SSH server: Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed by remote host. and the upgrade is probably stopped as well. And if I run it from the terminal on the FR, the upgrade is stopped when X restarts at some point during the process. So, how should I run it ? (there are a lot of packages to be updated, running the command one package at a time is excluded) [...] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was dropped. dunno why dropbear drops the connection on upgrade, ususally existing connections shouldn't be affected. maybe one of dropbear's .preinst or .postinst scripts causes the restart. try nohup opkg upgrade the upgrade should continue even if teh connection is lost Tried again from FR terminal, and it ran until something like X was restarted. restarting X from fr terminal _always_ crashes the my fr completely! i do all this stuff over ssh (cant' remember having lost the connection while dopbear upgrades), so the X restart does not affect my connection. even restarting X works over ssh: /etc/init.d/xsmthing-nodm stop /etc/init.d/xsmthing-nodm start notice, though, that /etc/init.d/xsmthing-nodm restart seems _not_ to work! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
arne anka wrote: Should I think of u-boot as the OpenMoko version of Grub? kinda. and some kind of bios, maybe. That's correct - u-boot is responsible for initializing the hardware (like a PC BIOS) as well as for loading and booting the kernel (like Grub). In which case why can't opkg update this? It should be possible to update it from Linux. The flash partitions are exposed as /dev/mtd* devices, and the kernel package updates its corresponding flash partition when installed. In the past there was a bug that interfered with writing to flash from Linux, and it was very risky to touch the u-boot partition because a mistake could leave you with a bricked device. Neither of these is a concern for the Freerunner, so it should be possible for someone to put an 'opkg' wrapper around u-boot. This wrapper would have to flash the correct u-boot for the revision level of the hardware (e.g. GTA02v4 vs. GTA02v5). Does flashing the root filesystem wipe out /home? yepp. that's a big disadvantage imho. Workaround: move /home to the SD card and then create a /home symlink on the root filesystem. Or just update your software with opkg rather than re-flashing the whole rootfs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
2008/7/16 Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's correct - u-boot is responsible for initializing the hardware (like a PC BIOS) as well as for loading and booting the kernel (like Grub). Thanks. I've updated the wiki. Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
arne anka wrote: opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was dropped. dunno why dropbear drops the connection on upgrade, ususally existing connections shouldn't be affected. When you upgrade dropbear it does a full stop/start on the service, not an equivalent of a 'reload'. I agree though that existing connections *shouldn't* be affected, but we saw it several times last night with the Los Angeles bulk order group and doing 'opkg upgrade' on several phones. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On a related note is there a Changelog for /buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/... et al? So I can see if I want to do an upgrade today? Thanks -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How did you execute opkg upgrade ? It failed for me opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was dropped. Tried again from FR terminal, and it ran until something like X was restarted. You may need to check the support list where this has been addressed recently. There, I suggested : 1. connect into the terminal app in the GUI 2. there type/tap opkg update 3. also there type/tap opkg upgrade dropbear 4. connect via SSH 5. inside the SSH shell, do opkg upgrade Hope this helps. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
Thanks ! Indeed this is a good solution But I had just executed the nohup opkg upgrade and it worked. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 23:23, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may need to check the support list where this has been addressed recently. There, I suggested : 1. connect into the terminal app in the GUI 2. there type/tap opkg update 3. also there type/tap opkg upgrade dropbear 4. connect via SSH 5. inside the SSH shell, do opkg upgrade Hope this helps. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
Or you can use screen, which is already installed (and then screen -dr once reconnected in order to get the tty back) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks ! Indeed this is a good solution But I had just executed the nohup opkg upgrade and it worked. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 23:23, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may need to check the support list where this has been addressed recently. There, I suggested : 1. connect into the terminal app in the GUI 2. there type/tap opkg update 3. also there type/tap opkg upgrade dropbear 4. connect via SSH 5. inside the SSH shell, do opkg upgrade Hope this helps. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
