Re: distribution choice
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 20:41, Kevin Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are debating between Om 2007.2 and Om 2008.8. Which release is more stable? 2007.2 or 2008.8, in regards to the Freerunner. 2007.2 is not supported anymore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
Hi Kevin, In terms of java support, I've experimented using a large and quite complicated commercial java application on my freerunner, and it ran surprisingly well - there were a few problems in some encryption code, but the rest was pretty good. However, the performance was not fantastic. The jalimo (jvm) docs say that performance is very bad for swing/awt apps, and this app made heavy use of both. I'd guess that if you use one of the GUI frameworks recommended by the jalimo people, it'd be ok. My understanding though is that a lot of people develop apps for the OM in python using pygtk. I haven't tried that yet myself, but it looks pretty easy and powerful. Good luck! Warren On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Kevin Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi all, My company is planning to roll out a suite of applications to be ran on the openmoko/freerunner platform. I'm researching which distribution would be best for our needs. We are not so concerned with the current state of available applications, since we will be writing out own. So here are a few questions that hopefully you guys can field: We are debating between Om 2007.2 and Om 2008.8. Which release is more stable? 2007.2 or 2008.8, in regards to the Freerunner. Is Java a viable choice to implement a suite of applications on this hardware? What is the state of the JVM? Are there restrictions, e.g. accessing the Accelerometer or other hardware? If we do not target Java, what API/framework should we target? I suspect for 2008.8 and future development, it would be Qt? Thanks! -Kevin Dixon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
You should be able to make software that runs on all the distributions, because they have X11 in common. If it can run on a Linux X11 PC with one mouse button and at 480x640, it should be able to run on any distribution in the forseeable future. The rub comes when you plan to do something special with the phone hardware. (i.e. SIM card stuff, multiplexing the GSM modem, checking the cellular signal strength, etc) at that point, the method will vary from stack to stack. The FSO stack was designed to help people in your situation. They're looking for it to be the openmoko standard, regardless of which interface is running on it. (i.e. The aim is to get the interfaces from 2007.2, 2008.8, zhone, qtopia-x11, etc. all using the same API for communicating with the special smart phone functionality I described above) If all you're doing is manipulating files in flash or on the SD card and/or using IP networking, then you're probably not going to have to worry much about which stack you choose, but if you are doing anything else and you want to be reasonably future proof, then use the FSO distribution as your reference implementation. Are you planning to make a it free software (FSF definition), or not? Because the way you package the software will vary depending on which way you choose. With free software, you can get it published to the openmoko feeds, and the debian tree, etc and they'll take care of distributing it for you. Otherwise, you're going to have to come up with something else. (i.e. deb files and ipk files and such) On Monday 15 September 2008 14:41:20 Kevin Dixon wrote: Hi all, My company is planning to roll out a suite of applications to be ran on the openmoko/freerunner platform. I'm researching which distribution would be best for our needs. We are not so concerned with the current state of available applications, since we will be writing out own. So here are a few questions that hopefully you guys can field: We are debating between Om 2007.2 and Om 2008.8. Which release is more stable? 2007.2 or 2008.8, in regards to the Freerunner. Is Java a viable choice to implement a suite of applications on this hardware? What is the state of the JVM? Are there restrictions, e.g. accessing the Accelerometer or other hardware? If we do not target Java, what API/framework should we target? I suspect for 2008.8 and future development, it would be Qt? Thanks! -Kevin Dixon -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
Hi, just one query on this: 2008/9/15 Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You should be able to make software that runs on all the distributions, because they have X11 in common. If it can run on a Linux X11 PC with one mouse button and at 480x640, it should be able to run on any distribution in the forseeable future. I think I read somewhere that Qtopia doesn't use X11, and instead writes direct to the framebuffer - which I think would make it an exception to the above statement. Is that correct? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
It was recently modified so it can also run over X11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtopiaOnX11 http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/x11 -Nick Neil Jerram wrote: I think I read somewhere that Qtopia doesn't use X11, and instead writes direct to the framebuffer - which I think would make it an exception to the above statement. Is that correct? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:49 AM, nickd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was recently modified so it can also run over X11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtopiaOnX11 http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/x11 -Nick What' is the future of Qtopia and QtopiaOnX11? The problem is not only concerning the XServer/FB, but the middleware too. As developer i have no problem to use QT api, as they will run on Qtopia/FB and on Qt-classic/x11. This is different if i want use Qtopia/API versus dbus/fso API. As observer instead, i think/hope/suppose qtopiaonx11 will be patched to use FSO or Trolltech will develop a dbus compatibility layer with the same FSO API, otherwise was 2008.8 only a big waste of time? Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
