Re: email checker?

2009-03-07 Thread Johny Tenfinger
Try to compile some desktop gmail checker to Neo. It should work ;)
After that, you can customize it to use Neo hardware - vibrator, leds
etc.

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Re: email

2008-09-30 Thread Petr Vanek
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:02 +0800
W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK)
wrote:

Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font
the email got only 2 -3 words per line!  Almost useless.  Rather than
have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed
for a PDA.  e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but
its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :(

Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a
package for them yet.

the problem with console clients is the keyboard. unless we are able to
have either graffiti or translucent keyboard, this is going to be an
issue...

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Re: email

2008-09-30 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/9/30 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Cant handle 6-7000 messages going back 5 years (I regard this as medium,
 5+ is large :)

You may like to check the archives of the maemo-developers mailing
list.  There were similar discussions recently there, and IIRC with
possible solutions.

Regards,
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Re: email

2008-09-30 Thread William Kenworthy
I would think the existing keyboards would still work as they already do
in the console ...

BillK

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 10:12 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:02 +0800
 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK)
 wrote:
 
 Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font
 the email got only 2 -3 words per line!  Almost useless.  Rather than
 have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed
 for a PDA.  e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but
 its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :(
 
 Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a
 package for them yet.
 
 the problem with console clients is the keyboard. unless we are able to
 have either graffiti or translucent keyboard, this is going to be an
 issue...
 
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Re: email

2008-09-30 Thread William Kenworthy
s/console/terminal/

:)
BillK


On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 17:35 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
 I would think the existing keyboards would still work as they already do
 in the console ...
 
 BillK
 
 On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 10:12 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote:
  On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:02 +0800
  W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK)
  wrote:
  
  Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font
  the email got only 2 -3 words per line!  Almost useless.  Rather than
  have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed
  for a PDA.  e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but
  its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :(
  
  Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a
  package for them yet.
  
  the problem with console clients is the keyboard. unless we are able to
  have either graffiti or translucent keyboard, this is going to be an
  issue...
  
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Re: email

2008-09-30 Thread Alex Osborne

On 30/09/2008, at 3:36 PM, W.Kenworthy wrote:

 Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set  
 font the
 email got only 2 -3 words per line!  Almost useless.


I guess you're not using Debian then. Here's what it looks like out  
of the box on Debian, which I suppose has a different default GTK  
theme.  I haven't changed any settings except filling in my account  
details and switching to small screen view and collapse quotes:

http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/claws-gta02-deb.png

I'd actually much prefer a larger font.  While I can read that it's  
not all that comfortable and is particularly difficult somewhere with  
a lot of ambient light.  It's also easy to miss tap on the wrong  
email in the list as the rows are so small.  It also often drags  
instead of clicks due to touchscreen jitter.

My IMAP folder with this mailing list has 6317 messages, it took  
about 5 minutes to download them the first time I opened the folder.   
Claws was sitting at about 20% CPU, so it's likely bound by the  
network speed.  Scrolling is a little slow, but no slower than any  
other app on the FreeRunner that has to redraw a large potion of the  
screen (due to the glamo bus speed I guess).

I'd prefer a really lightweight mail viewer that you can drive with a  
finger.  Probably this would be a good use of Edje (from  
Enlightenment, what Zhone uses) as it seems a bit leaner than GTK and  
seems like it'd be easier to come up with something that works nicely  
with pen input.  Perhaps similar scrolling as Aza Raskin's Mobile  
Firefox concept video [1], but maybe scrolling out the right side of  
the screen goes to the next unread message, while out the left goes  
back.  Fullscreen scrolling is slow on the FreeRunner, but after  
testing a bit with Edje, I still find it quite usable, it just looks  
jerky.  Actually one option might be to just scroll part of the  
screen (say a quarter) as a preview and then update the rest when you  
release.  That should allow for smoother control.

The reason I said *viewer* is I'd probably just go with a button to  
pop open a buffer in Emacs for composing/replying and use a bluetooth  
keyboard, I don't think I have the patience to compose email with  
fingers or a stylus. ;-)

Cheers,

Alex

[1] http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/06/firefox-mobile-concept-video/


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Re: email

2008-09-30 Thread Petr Vanek
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:05:19 +0100
Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NJ)
wrote:

2008/9/30 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Cant handle 6-7000 messages going back 5 years (I regard this as
 medium, 5+ is large :)

You may like to check the archives of the maemo-developers mailing
list.  There were similar discussions recently there, and IIRC with
possible solutions.

Regards,
  Neil


Neil, would you mind sending a bit more direct link, i am having 0 luck
googling this up... thank you


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Re: email

2008-09-30 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/9/30 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Neil, would you mind sending a bit more direct link, i am having 0 luck
 googling this up... thank you

Here is one: 
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-June/033990.html.

Regards,
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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread nickd
Have you tried to use the default Qtopia Messages client? I see it has 
room for emails but I havne't tested it myself.

-Nick

William Kenworthy wrote:
 Is there a reasonable email client for the FR ASU?

 qtmail sucks - its been ~20 hours and it still hasnt finished syncing my
 mail boxes :(

 I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen.

 What else is there?

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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread W.Kenworthy
Thats qtmail :)

Cant handle 6-7000 messages going back 5 years (I regard this as medium,
5+ is large :)  I had to delete the account as it slowed the whole
messages app so much SMS was a problem.  And it wont allow itself to be
selective as to what mailboxes it syncs, so its trying to download my
archives, which I need available for work on other mail readers (syncing
only the Inbox and a couple of current interest accounts is how I dealt
with it on my treo).

Its a long standing problem with qtmail apparently :(

BillK


On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:39 +1000, nickd wrote:
 Have you tried to use the default Qtopia Messages client? I see it has 
 room for emails but I havne't tested it myself.
 
 -Nick
 
 William Kenworthy wrote:
  Is there a reasonable email client for the FR ASU?
 
  qtmail sucks - its been ~20 hours and it still hasnt finished syncing my
  mail boxes :(
 
  I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen.
 
  What else is there?
 
  BillK
 
 

 

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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson
nickd wrote:
 Have you tried to use the default Qtopia Messages client? I see it has 
 room for emails but I havne't tested it myself.

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I tried it myself, don't know if Bill has, and didn't get it to work 
right. It apparently has issues with SSL so it doesn't work with my 
google apps, wanted to start receiving the mailing lists to my phone but 
without SSL support it isn't possible.

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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread W.Kenworthy
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail might help to get SSL working.

BillK

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 19:17 -0700, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote:
 nickd wrote:
  Have you tried to use the default Qtopia Messages client? I see it has 
  room for emails but I havne't tested it myself.
 
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 I tried it myself, don't know if Bill has, and didn't get it to work 
 right. It apparently has issues with SSL so it doesn't work with my 
 google apps, wanted to start receiving the mailing lists to my phone but 
 without SSL support it isn't possible.
 
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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson
W.Kenworthy wrote:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail might help to get SSL working.

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Worked like a charm for incoming, didn't check outbound though.

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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson
Well it was working perfectly but as Bill has pointed out this 
application is painfully slow, would it be possible to get thunderbird 
ported for mail and get a dedicated SMS app?

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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread Petr Vanek
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800
William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK)
wrote:

I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen.


claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my business
desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but the
speed was OK (i have the same speed issues  with qtmail)

In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View-Layout-Small Screen

then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few,
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Re: email

2008-09-29 Thread W.Kenworthy
Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the
email got only 2 -3 words per line!  Almost useless.  Rather than have
something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a
PDA.  e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its
still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :(

Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a
package for them yet.

BillK

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:45 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800
 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK)
 wrote:
 
 I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen.
 
 
 claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my business
 desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but the
 speed was OK (i have the same speed issues  with qtmail)
 
 In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View-Layout-Small Screen
 
 then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few,
 say 5, but very powerful)
 
 
 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

2008-09-23 Thread Christian Weßel
Am Dienstag, den 23.09.2008, 13:53 +1000 schrieb Ian:
...
 I'm sure you've already done this, but just in case have you set your
 computer to act as a gateway to the FR? It needs packet forwarding
 enabled under /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward as well as iptables set up
 correctly. Personally I use an iptables frontend called firehol to
 simplify this.
 My /etc/firehol/firehol.conf looks like (this is on my laptop, not the FR):
...

I did sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 again and now it is working.

But from where can I get LAN tools for [EMAIL PROTECTED] In which package I
will find it?
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

2008-09-23 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/9/23 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 But from where can I get LAN tools for [EMAIL PROTECTED] In which package I
 will find it?

ping is in inetutils-ping.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

2008-09-23 Thread arne anka
 But from where can I get LAN tools for [EMAIL PROTECTED] In which package I
 will find it?

if you use debian on your pc, use apt-file. else see

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents

the bottommost form.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

2008-09-22 Thread Christian Weßel
But how can I install the network tools, if I don't get contact to a
repository?

I checked the resolv.conf

 debian-gta02:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf 
 nameserver 212.6.108.140

It is the same as before. And it is a valid DNS server.

Without network tools I am not able to check my FR network and therefore i 
can't install any further SW.


christian

Am Sonntag, den 21.09.2008, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Fox Mulder:
 In my debian installation were no ping, traceroute and nslookup
 preinstalled. Everything needs to be installed after installation like
 many other nice things.
 I would suggest that you take a look at your resolv.conf because it
 seems that your name resolving doesn't work.
 Try adding a working dns and test it again.
 
 Ciao,
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

2008-09-22 Thread Christian Weßel
Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 09:37 -0400 schrieb Jim Ancona:
 If you can ssh to it, but you can't connect outbound, that usually means 
 that you don't have the default gateway set properly. If you are using 
 USB, try:
 
 route del default gw 192.168.0.200
 route add default gw 192.168.0.200

I have successfull access with ssh, I set a new pw as recommended. No
problems, also after reboot.
I checked the /etc/network/interfaces:

 # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
 # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
 auto usb0
 iface usb0 inet static
 address 192.168.0.202
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 network 192.168.0.0
 gateway 192.168.0.200
 up echo nameserver 212.6.108.140/etc/resolv.conf

I figure that's fine.

An attemt of update results:

 debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
 0% [Connecting to pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org] [Connecting to 
 ftp2.de.debian.org]
 debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
 Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release.gpg
  
   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org sid Release.gpg  
  
   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
 Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental Release.gpg
  
   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg 
  
   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
 Reading package lists... Done   
 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg  Temporary 
 failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
 
 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  Temporary 
 failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 
 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/Release.gpg  Temporary 
 failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 
 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  Temporary 
 failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
 
 W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones 
 used instead.
 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

HAHA, yes I want, but I can't.

Does anyone has an idea?
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

2008-09-22 Thread Ian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 09:37 -0400 schrieb Jim Ancona:
 If you can ssh to it, but you can't connect outbound, that usually means
 that you don't have the default gateway set properly. If you are using
 USB, try:

 route del default gw 192.168.0.200
 route add default gw 192.168.0.200

 I have successfull access with ssh, I set a new pw as recommended. No
 problems, also after reboot.
 I checked the /etc/network/interfaces:

 # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
 # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
 auto usb0
 iface usb0 inet static
 address 192.168.0.202
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 network 192.168.0.0
 gateway 192.168.0.200
 up echo nameserver 212.6.108.140/etc/resolv.conf

 I figure that's fine.

 An attemt of update results:

 debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
 0% [Connecting to pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org] [Connecting to 
 ftp2.de.debian.org]
 debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
 Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release.gpg
   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org sid Release.gpg
   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
 Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental Release.gpg
   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg
   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
 Reading package lists... Done
 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg  Temporary 
 failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'

 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  Temporary 
 failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'

 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/Release.gpg  Temporary 
 failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'

 W: Failed to fetch 
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  
 Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'

 W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones 
 used instead.
 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

 HAHA, yes I want, but I can't.

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I'm sure you've already done this, but just in case have you set your
computer to act as a gateway to the FR? It needs packet forwarding
enabled under /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward as well as iptables set up
correctly. Personally I use an iptables frontend called firehol to
simplify this.
My /etc/firehol/firehol.conf looks like (this is on my laptop, not the FR):

#always needed for firehol
version 5

#Don't let anything in from the Internet that I didn't request
interface ppp+ internet src not $UNROUTABLE_IPS
  protection strong
  client all accept

# Accept all client traffic on any other interface and allow incoming SSH
interface any world src not $RESERVED_IPS
  server ssh accept
  client all accept

#Forward packets from usb network with NAT
router usbnet inface usb0 outface any
  masquerade
  route all accept



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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

2008-09-21 Thread Fox Mulder
In my debian installation were no ping, traceroute and nslookup
preinstalled. Everything needs to be installed after installation like
many other nice things.
I would suggest that you take a look at your resolv.conf because it
seems that your name resolving doesn't work.
Try adding a working dns and test it again.

Ciao,
 Rainer

Christian Weßel wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have installed Debian successfull on my FR. Now I try to install
 further SW.
 
 But I get allways 
 
 debian-gta02:/# apt-get install tangogps
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 Recommended packages:
   gpsd
 The following NEW packages will be installed:
   tangogps
 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
 Need to get 111kB of archives.
 After this operation, 377kB of additional disk space will be used.
 Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/main tangogps 0.9.3-1
   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 Failed to fetch 
 http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tangogps/tangogps_0.9.3-1_armel.deb
   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
 E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with 
 --fix-missing?
 
 I checked my FW (iptables) but it looks like before.
 
 Then I tried to ping my DNS server address and I tried to resolve a DNS name. 
 Both occured the same message:
 
 debian-gta02:/# ping 212.6.108.140
 -bash: ping: command not found
 debian-gta02:/# nslookup ftp2.de.debian.org
 -bash: nslookup: command not found
 
 Are there no network tools (ping, nslookup, traceroute, etc.) installed?
 
 debian-gta02:/# find /|grep nslookup
 
 ... results nothing.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gone?

2008-09-18 Thread Klaus Kurzmann
* sparky mat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080918 08:54]:
 I am not able to find the FSO binaries/repository at
 shr.bearstech.com. Instead, I see that SHR binaries are present. I
 tried them out and there are (many) issues.

 Just wondering why FSO builds were removed from here. This was my
 preferred build/repository.
see http://shr.bearstech.com/README:

(Note that the official FSO autobuilder can now be found
 at http://downloads.freesmartphone.org)

Mok

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] up and running :)

2008-09-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
David Samblas wrote:
 Thanks to Michael Siloh, 
 I can proudly annouce the opening of the spanish openmoko list,
 http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/local-openmoko-spain 
 
 This intended to help the spanish non-english skilled users to help and
 be helped by the Openmoko community, the spanish skilled-enough users
 will act as bridge between international and local group
 Any english spanish-skilled are welcome  :), even anyone
 anything-skilled are welcome too :)
 
 So to avoid any flamewar, the idea is to make the community grow not to
 split it. So I encorage anyone to do the same for his localgroup.
 

Thanks to David, really, for initiating the Spanish group, for creating 
the original Spanish list, and for helping me get the list moved to 
Openmoko.

Openmoko is proud to support the Spanish local Openmoko group, and
Openmoko encourages the formation of other local Openmoko groups.

A mailing list seems like a useful tool, not to split the community, but 
to allow conversation that may not be relevant to the world at large 
(e.g. meetings or group purchases or, in this case, discussion in a 
different language).

I'll be happy to create mailing lists as needed. For the time being we 
are doing this under the umbrella of the local-openmoko project. Email 
me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to request such a list.

(The San Francisco local Openmoko Group, in contrast, has been invited 
to  simply use the San Francisco Linux User's Group mailing list, at 
least until we become a nuisance to them.)

I'll create a wiki page for local Openmoko groups, and look forward to 
adding more.

Michael

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] howto setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] for file-transfer

2008-09-06 Thread Michele Renda
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Christian Adams wrote:
 moinmoin,
 
 can someone tell me howto setup bt @ FR so i could transfer files / 
 browse FR via bt like my se-w810i?
 (use FR as bt-fileserver)
 
 ciao,
 morlac

I can't help you too much but I think you must to take care of:

1. Be sure that bluetooth is enabled in openmoko-panel tray bar.
2. Installing all the gnome bluetooth software stack.

I don't know if all this will get you a working bluetooth, but I think
is a good starting point!
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] howto setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] for file-transfer

2008-09-06 Thread arne anka
 can someone tell me howto setup bt @ FR so i could transfer files /
 browse FR via bt like my se-w810i?
 (use FR as bt-fileserver)

look for everything with obex in it's name ...

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] howto setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] for file-transfer

2008-09-06 Thread Christian Adams
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Am 06.09.2008 um 22:47 schrieb arne anka:

 can someone tell me howto setup bt @ FR so i could transfer files /
 browse FR via bt like my se-w810i?
 (use FR as bt-fileserver)

 look for everything with obex in it's name ...


i did .. and installed
and in the bluetooth-applet from gnome-bluetooth i activated in tab  
general the share files from public folder .. but there seems to  
be no effect at all .. :/

regards, morlac

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] xfce-battery-plugin

2008-09-04 Thread Fox Mulder
Why don't you just use the selfmade openmoko-panel-plugin which also
displays the battery status?

Ciao,
 Rainer

Christian Adams wrote:
 moinmoin
 
 did someone manage to get the xfce-battery-plugin working properly?
 when i include it in the panel i always get a warning my battery is  
 at 0% - what definitly is not the case.
 
 it seems to me the battery-plugin doesn't handle apm right?
 
 regards, morlac
 
 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] xfce-battery-plugin

2008-09-04 Thread arne anka
 it seems to me the battery-plugin doesn't handle apm right?

the plugin does -- fso does not.
the plugin relies on apmd which is not used in fso and, as known, produces  
issues when running.
since it is far bigger than the corresponding battery symbol, you're  
better off with the om-panel-plugin.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] xfce-battery-plugin

2008-09-04 Thread Christian Adams
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i allready use the openmoko-panel-plugin (and extendet it a bit) but  
it doesn't provide options to run scripts on certain battery-levels  
(shut down fr when battery crtitical for example) yet. i am planning  
to extend the openmoko-panel-plugin that way but till i (or someone  
else) does so ..

i wanted to use xfce-battery-plugin cause i think (not really checked  
yet) it has a smaller mem-footprint ..

maybe i get time to implement my ideas on upcoming weekend ..

ciao,
morlac (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Morlac)

p.s. i would also extend om-panel-plugin to provide a window to  
choose charging-mode

Am 04.09.2008 um 11:58 schrieb Fox Mulder:

 Why don't you just use the selfmade openmoko-panel-plugin which also
 displays the battery status?

 Ciao,
  Rainer

 Christian Adams wrote:
 moinmoin

 did someone manage to get the xfce-battery-plugin working properly?
 when i include it in the panel i always get a warning my battery is
 at 0% - what definitly is not the case.

 it seems to me the battery-plugin doesn't handle apm right?

 regards, morlac

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again

2008-09-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 12:50 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams:
 i just discovered something i actually can't explain to myself:
 (i do the sd_idleclk-trick in /etc/apm - scripts)
 when apmd is running while i invoke 'apm -s' i get the following in  
 dmesg:
 
 -  snip 
 Syncing filesystems ... done.
 PM: Preparing system for mem sleep
 -  snap 
 
 but the system doen't suspend completely - only X freezes but ssh-ing  
 still works

 when i now call 'invoke-rd.d apmd stop' the system suspends and  
 resumes on power-button and in dmesg it continues as following (i  
 think the 'error' is shown with the 'Can't switch VCs'-part - this  
 doesn't occur when apmd isn't running at all):

I observed the same problem, but only when X was started after apmd, not
the other way around. I also observed that running strace -p pid of
apmd or strace -p pid of X makes the kernel go ahead with
suspending.

Can you confirm these observations? What kernel version are you using?

Thanks,
Joachim
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again

2008-09-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 17:53 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams:
 i can confirm your observations regarding strace -p pid of apmd
 but for me the starting order of apmd and X makes no difference ..
 
 my actual kernel: Linux dvalin 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Sun Aug 31 01:38:31  
 CEST 2008 armv4tl GNU/Linux
 (came from not longer reachable buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ 
 freerunner/200808/20080831 )

thanks. Unfortunately, I don’t have an idea what’s causing it, but I’d
be thankful if you can debug it :-)

You could test it with two instances of apmd and no X running, for
example. Maybe the kernel just doesn’t like two apps listening
on /dev/apm_bios.

Greetings,
Joachim
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-09-02 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 07:49:25AM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 An application should be able to wake up the phone from suspend (or  
 rather add an entry to the `at` queue saying wake me at this time) and 
 it should be able to fire up a GPRS connection. How long will it take to 
 check for new mail? 15 seconds? In that case you're effectively going to 
 lose 15 seconds of battery talktime for every check. If you check every 5 
 minutes then for every hour suspended you'll use additional battery at a 
 rate equivalent to 3 minutes of talktime. Checking every 5 minutes means 
 that you get a message on average within 2.5 minutes of it hitting your 
 mailbox; checking every 15 minutes means that you get a message on 
 average 7.5 minutes after it hits your mailbox, which is probably a 
 better battery compromise.

 The N95 manages this, why shouldn't the Freerunner? I did ask in one of 
 my previous posts whether the Openmoko work on dbus will accommodate  a 
 program sleeping (suspending?) the phone /or initialising a GPRS 
 connection, but I got no reply (because I waffled too much in that post, 
 apparently). Some kind of standard method is surely needed, because I 
 could see it being quite complicated (and quite Freerunner-specific) to 
 do this stuff otherwise.

Yes, but when talking about elegance, I don't claim drop-calls to be
elegant. But imagine the FR's plop sound when it wakes up every 5
minutes in your pocket.

The costs of interval checking maybe not very high and the battery loss
irrelevant. Just elegant it is neither.

 If you use notification by drop-call, the FR can sleep through - the
 modem handles the wakeup.

 I'll be honest, I just don't personally like drop-calling. I dislike it 
 when a girl does it to you because she's too tight to buy minutes  
 (irrespective of the number she's wasted already this month and because 
 she knows a guy will always return a pretty girl's call) and I find it a 
 little inelegant for this application.

Okay, i can understand that. But be assured, I will only drop-call
myself. ;-)

 Another poster mentioned that some cell companies may block the number of 
 frequent drop-callers. Presumably it costs one of the call-providers 
 money to initiate a call which you are not then billed for? So it does 
 seem to be slightly naughty, too.

Yes, slightly. 

 You're right, though - ideally this should be handled by the phone's  
 modem (or by the phone's phone (??)) hardware, because that's already  
 handling incoming radio and sleep / wake-up. If only there were a way to 
 send a text message to a phone freely over the internet - we could use 
 that far more effectively for pushing our mail (or anything else). The 
 money mobile phone companies make from SMS messages, however, I suspect 
 this is a forlorn hope.

So I'm gonna annoy them with my drop-calls until they give us free text
messages over internet.

Still maybe one could ask on the HW list what the capabilities of the
modem are in regard to GPRS connections when the FR is suspended...

That would be an elegant solution: FR sleeps, modem handles GPRS traffic
from IMAP-idle server until he signals new mail.

Ole


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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again

2008-09-02 Thread Christian Adams
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moin,

i tried to run two instances of apmd (with no X running) - what i got  
first is this:

-  snip 
dvalin:~# apmd
It appears that an instance of apmd is already running as process 1590.
If in reality no instance of apmd is running, remove /var/run/apmd.pid.
-  snap 

after 'rm /var/run/apmd.pid' i was allowed to run a 2nd instance of  
apmd and
invoking 'apm -s' did what it should - FR fell asleep and woke up on  
powerbutton

so for now i am clueless how to continue investigation .. :/

regards, morlac

Am 02.09.2008 um 18:17 schrieb Joachim Breitner:

 Hi,

 Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 17:53 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams:
 i can confirm your observations regarding strace -p pid of apmd
 but for me the starting order of apmd and X makes no difference ..

 my actual kernel: Linux dvalin 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Sun Aug 31 01:38:31
 CEST 2008 armv4tl GNU/Linux
 (came from not longer reachable buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/
 freerunner/200808/20080831 )

 thanks. Unfortunately, I don’t have an idea what’s causing it, but I’d
 be thankful if you can debug it :-)

 You could test it with two instances of apmd and no X running, for
 example. Maybe the kernel just doesn’t like two apps listening
 on /dev/apm_bios.

 Greetings,
 Joachim

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bluetooth

2008-09-01 Thread arne anka
 before crashing debian on my 8G-sd with experiments with apm i was
 able to exchange files with my bt-enabled se-w810i
 right-click on bluetooth-applet - browse device - choose w810i and
 connect. first time i did the passkey-dialog appeared and everything
 was fine .. sending/receiving data worked like a charm.


what dm/de did you use? zhone? xfce?

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bluetooth

2008-09-01 Thread Christian Adams
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sry i missed that - i am using xfce - by now i installed everything  
with 'obex' in the name

Am 01.09.2008 um 14:02 schrieb arne anka:

 before crashing debian on my 8G-sd with experiments with apm i was
 able to exchange files with my bt-enabled se-w810i
 right-click on bluetooth-applet - browse device - choose w810i and
 connect. first time i did the passkey-dialog appeared and everything
 was fine .. sending/receiving data worked like a charm.


 what dm/de did you use? zhone? xfce?

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bluetooth

2008-09-01 Thread arne anka
 sry i missed that - i am using xfce - by now i installed everything
 with 'obex' in the name

what bt-applet did you have?
the only one i found so far is that little panel applet someone from the  
list created and that only allows you to en-/disable gsm, wifi, gps, bt  
and shows battery status.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bluetooth

2008-09-01 Thread arne anka
could it be you had
bluez-gnome
installed?
since you have an 8gb card and xfce uses gtk the dependencies should not  
worry you -- the only other graphical passkey agent i know in debian is in  
kdebluetooth whcih you probaly would remember if you installed it.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bluetooth

2008-09-01 Thread Christian Adams
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i am using the bluetooth-applet found in bluez-gnome

and just found what was wrong here: nautilus (also installed) was  
segfaulting ..

regards, morlac
Am 01.09.2008 um 14:17 schrieb arne anka:

 sry i missed that - i am using xfce - by now i installed everything
 with 'obex' in the name

 what bt-applet did you have?
 the only one i found so far is that little panel applet someone  
 from the
 list created and that only allows you to en-/disable gsm, wifi,  
 gps, bt
 and shows battery status.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bluetooth

2008-09-01 Thread Christian Adams
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your're right _THIS_ one i would remember! :D

i solved my prob by re-installing the segfaulting nautilus - now the  
passkey dialog appears again ..

regards, morlac - sometimes in need of a little distance to see  
what's (not) going on

Am 01.09.2008 um 14:25 schrieb arne anka:

 could it be you had
 bluez-gnome
 installed?
 since you have an 8gb card and xfce uses gtk the dependencies  
 should not
 worry you -- the only other graphical passkey agent i know in  
 debian is in
 kdebluetooth whcih you probaly would remember if you installed it.

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-09-01 Thread Stroller

On 31 Aug 2008, at 12:46, Ole Kliemann wrote:

 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:37:05AM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 As the son of Lancastrian blood, I can sympathise with
 parsimoniousness, but right now Ole's suggestion appears penny-
 pinching to me, rather than practical  prudent economising.

 Are you by any chance associated with a VoIP company and afraid of
 people making no-connect/no-cost calls all the time? ;-)

No, not at all.

But I figured that since you're going to have to pay to fetch the  
data anyway, I couldn't see much saving with this drop-calling  
shenanigans. You appear to have proved me right with your subsequent  
calculations.

What relevance does VoIP have here - if you run VoIP on your  
Freerunner you're going to have to pay data rates on that. Or are you  
thinking I'm a VoIP exec protesting against your use of a VoIP  
provider for making drop-calls?

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-09-01 Thread Stroller

On 31 Aug 2008, at 11:56, Rod Whitby wrote:
 Stroller wrote:
 On 30 Aug 2008, at 05:34, Rod Whitby wrote:
 Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans.

 Please don't assume probably won't prevent developers from doing  
 so.

 Nothing can prevent open source developers from taking any world view
 they please.  That's their right.  That's why I'm educating them with
 the message that unlimited data plans are not available in all  
 parts of
 the world.

Your assertive tone here sounds like you're upset with me for  
questioning you. Please chill out.

Nothing can prevent open source developers from taking any world view  
they please - that's why I ASKED YOU to educate them. Your previous  
message wasn't educational because it just said please don't assume  
without providing any depthful understanding of your problems.

 How much does data transfer cost there? (comparison of data cost
 relative to calls?)


 1c per Kb.  Calls are about 30c/min.


A quick summary stating checking email every day would add $XX to my  
current $YY monthly phonebill might make your education more memorable.

 Why is the situation unlikely to change in the foreseeable?

 There are no market forces that will make it change, as Australia is a
 large country with a relatively sparse population (2.6 people per  
 square
 kilometer).

I'm surprised that makes any difference. I'd have thought the  
majority of data users were in the cities. A telco could provide  
GPRS / 3G data only in metropolitan areas or apply their unlimited  
data plans only in those areas. At the end of the day unlimited data  
has only become available in other countries because it's in Telco  
X's interest to induce customers away from Telco Y. Even restricting  
unlimited data to metropolitan areas one would sway a profitable  
percentage of customers.

Once you have the infrastructure in place I understood the cost of  
shifting data to be relatively low. I appreciate that this my not  
scale for very long data lines, but once you've built cell towers in  
rural areas you have to supply them with bandwidth for voice.

 I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to
 download all
 my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with
 *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes  
 seamlessly
 to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection.

 I expect that, too. Certainly under my data plan this would be
 essential for foreign holidays.

 It's good that our needs are identical then.  Ability to do stuff when
 connected, and ability to do stuff when not connected as well.  As
 opposed to an assumption that someone is always connected.

Our needs aren't identical because I can enable checking every 5  
minutes when at home and disable it when on holiday. On holiday I can  
check once per day or just manage without email on my phone - I can  
survive with an internet cafe for a couple of weeks per year. In fact  
I have been known to leave my phone at home when on holiday, for  
various reasons - for 2 weeks per year I can manage without.

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-09-01 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 03:27:27PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 
 On 31 Aug 2008, at 12:46, Ole Kliemann wrote:
  Are you by any chance associated with a VoIP company and afraid of
  people making no-connect/no-cost calls all the time? ;-)
 
 No, not at all.
 
 But I figured that since you're going to have to pay to fetch the  
 data anyway, I couldn't see much saving with this drop-calling  
 shenanigans. You appear to have proved me right with your subsequent  
 calculations.

If IMAP-idle works in a stable manner with muxing. Otherwise the
interval checking will add considerable extra costs.

Right now there is no muxing as far as I know.

 What relevance does VoIP have here - if you run VoIP on your  
 Freerunner you're going to have to pay data rates on that. 

I think I wasn't clear about my idea. The VoIP is just a contingent
factor here. It's just about making a call to the FR with a certain
number transmitted as the caller's number. This number is interpreted by
the FR as a certain signal. Consequently the call is not accepted and an
action associated with the signal is executed.

You could make these signalling call from any phone, using any
infrastructure you like. But using VoIP gives you a good interface
between a computer and the calling device. If you would use a normal
phone to call the FR, you would need to interface it with a computer.
Using VoIP on the calling side it's easy to check for mails and a server
and then call the FR from the server.

VoIP is not running on the FR in anyway.

 Or are you  
 thinking I'm a VoIP exec protesting against your use of a VoIP  
 provider for making drop-calls?

Actually I'm not quite sure what your motivation is - except that you
just don't like my idea. ;-)

Ole


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-09-01 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 03:27:27PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 
 On 31 Aug 2008, at 12:46, Ole Kliemann wrote:
 
  On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:37:05AM +0100, Stroller wrote:
  As the son of Lancastrian blood, I can sympathise with
  parsimoniousness, but right now Ole's suggestion appears penny-
  pinching to me, rather than practical  prudent economising.
 
  Are you by any chance associated with a VoIP company and afraid of
  people making no-connect/no-cost calls all the time? ;-)
 
 No, not at all.
 
 But I figured that since you're going to have to pay to fetch the  
 data anyway, I couldn't see much saving with this drop-calling  
 shenanigans. You appear to have proved me right with your subsequent  
 calculations.

I just realised why my drop-call solution is so much superior to any
IMAP-idle or interval checking. It's funny no one thought about this
yet.

When using IMAP-idle you can hardly suspend, can you? At least it would
be necessary to keep the connection open, handle incoming traffic and
wake in case of new mail. I guess to do so will require the whole system
to be running.

When using interval checking you have the extra costs and extra battery
drainage because of resuming every 3 minutes.

If you use notification by drop-call, the FR can sleep through - the
modem handles the wakeup.

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-31 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:37:05AM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 As the son of Lancastrian blood, I can sympathise with  
 parsimoniousness, but right now Ole's suggestion appears penny- 
 pinching to me, rather than practical  prudent economising.  

Are you by any chance associated with a VoIP company and afraid of
people making no-connect/no-cost calls all the time? ;-)

I am just exploring the range of possibilities. Whether they are
practical or hypothetical.

Probably you are right in this case. But it is still an interesting
point that you can by this way send signals to your mobile. Especially
since you can alter the number the caller is transmitting thus enabling
for a nearly unlimited number of signals.

Ole


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-31 Thread Yorick Moko
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Ole Kliemann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:37:05AM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 As the son of Lancastrian blood, I can sympathise with
 parsimoniousness, but right now Ole's suggestion appears penny-
 pinching to me, rather than practical  prudent economising.

an even better idea:
why not send SMS through VOIP in morse code: 1 ring is SHORT and 2
rings is LONG
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-31 Thread Ole Kliemann
With my prepaid I have to pay traffic for every 10kb at 24ct/mb.

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:44:31AM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 I meant to ask in my previous email:
 Anyone know what is the overhead of IMAP-idle?

Probably very low as long as the connection is stable. Every reconnect
due to connection loss will cost 10kb. This won't happen so frequently -
let's say in average every 30 minutes. This will be about 3.5 euro per
month with my card. Pretty cheap indeed.

Just one issue. Right now muxing does not work with 2008.8. Another
issue: even when muxing will work in the future, I don't know whether my
provider supports both a voice and a data channel open.

 (or however interval checking on IMAP works?)

With interval checking I assume the traffic per check not more than
10kb. If you check every 5 minutes - which is not what I call `immediate
notification' - it will cost 20 euro per month. Just for the checking.
o_0

If you want to get closer to `immediate notification' and check every 3
minutes, costs go up to 35 euro a month.


So if I get IMAP-idle working in a stable way and with muxing, it's the
thing to go with. Interval checking is no choice at all.

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-31 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:30:23PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote:
 With my prepaid I have to pay traffic for every 10kb at 24ct/mb.
 
 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:44:31AM +0100, Stroller wrote:
  I meant to ask in my previous email:
  Anyone know what is the overhead of IMAP-idle?
 
 Probably very low as long as the connection is stable. Every reconnect
 due to connection loss will cost 10kb. This won't happen so frequently -
 let's say in average every 30 minutes. This will be about 3.5 euro per
 month with my card. Pretty cheap indeed.
 
 Just one issue. Right now muxing does not work with 2008.8. Another
 issue: even when muxing will work in the future, I don't know whether my
 provider supports both a voice and a data channel open.
 
  (or however interval checking on IMAP works?)
 
 With interval checking I assume the traffic per check not more than
 10kb. If you check every 5 minutes - which is not what I call `immediate
 notification' - it will cost 20 euro per month. Just for the checking.
 o_0
 
 If you want to get closer to `immediate notification' and check every 3
 minutes, costs go up to 35 euro a month.
 
 
 So if I get IMAP-idle working in a stable way and with muxing, it's the
 thing to go with. Interval checking is no choice at all.

Ah, I'm stupid. I calculated for a 24hour day. It could even be more
reduced as not always GPRS is required. I may be at home at USB or have
Wifi.

So with 6 hours on the road and 3 minutes checking I am at 8 euro per
month just for the checking. For a low volume mailbox this would be
still quite a waste.


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-31 Thread Rod Whitby
Stroller wrote:
 On 30 Aug 2008, at 05:34, Rod Whitby wrote:
 Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans.
 
 Please don't assume probably won't prevent developers from doing so.

Nothing can prevent open source developers from taking any world view
they please.  That's their right.  That's why I'm educating them with
the message that unlimited data plans are not available in all parts of
the world.  Whether developers listen to or do anything with that
information is completely up to them.  If it's educated just one of them
who happens to have only lived in a country that has unlimited data
plans, then it has been worth writing.

 It would probably be better to educate readers about WHY we shouldn't  
 assume data transfer via GPRS to be massively cheap  affordable.
 
 Where are you?

Australia.

 Are unlimited data plans completely unavailable there? Or just  
 expensive?

Completely unavailable.

 How much does data transfer cost there? (comparison of data cost  
 relative to calls?)

1c per Kb.  Calls are about 30c/min.

 Why is this? A teleco monopoly?

No, there are three major telco's - it's just that none of them offer
unlimited data plans.

 Why is the situation unlikely to change in the foreseeable?

There are no market forces that will make it change, as Australia is a
large country with a relatively sparse population (2.6 people per square
kilometer).

 It is not
 as common in many parts of the world as it is in your part of the  
 world.
 
 Great, so enlighten me. Saying please don't assume that everyone has  
 unlimited data plans just makes me think, oooh, look! here's  
 someone as cantankerous as I. If you want me to REMEMBER you when  
 developing my hypothetical ultimate mail client then tell me  
 something memorable about data plans in your country.

Things are very different in different parts of the world.  For
instance, in the USA it used to be the case (and may still be) that the
recipient had to pay for incoming mobile calls and SMSs.  Such weird
pricing (where you can be sent poor by someone harrassing you with calls
or SMS messages) has never been seen in Australia.

 I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to  
 download all
 my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with
 *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly
 to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection.
 
 I expect that, too. Certainly under my data plan this would be  
 essential for foreign holidays.

It's good that our needs are identical then.  Ability to do stuff when
connected, and ability to do stuff when not connected as well.  As
opposed to an assumption that someone is always connected.

-- Rod

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-30 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 02:04:37PM +0930, Rod Whitby wrote:
 Stroller wrote:
  I thought the standard now was unlimited data plans.
 ...
  You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole,  
  but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of  
  OpenMoko projects.
 
 Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans.  It is not
 as common in many parts of the world as it is in your part of the world.
 
 I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to download all
 my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with
 *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly
 to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection.

This sounds like a reasonable way to handle it. 

But the email traffic I have to handle on the road is really rather low
volume. My idea of VoIP notification certainly isn't very useful for
someone who gets several mails an hour. In this case IMAP-idle or with
interval checking is probably better. I was more looking for a way to
pass signals to my mobile without having to pay for it.

  For £20 this includes unlimited texts and one of the
  following free bolt-ons: unlimited texts (WTF?), unlimited O2 to O2
  Calls, unlimited Web Bolt On, unlimited weekend calls, unlimited
  landline calls, unlimited Wi-Fi, 200 extra anytime minutes. https://
  shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/simonly

I don't have unlimited data plan. But if I assume 20 pound per month for
my mobile bill, I practically have unlimited data too. ;-)

Ole


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-30 Thread Stroller

On 30 Aug 2008, at 05:34, Rod Whitby wrote:

 Stroller wrote:
 I thought the standard now was unlimited data plans.
 ...
 You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole,
 but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of
 OpenMoko projects.

 Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans.

Please don't assume probably won't prevent developers from doing so.

It would probably be better to educate readers about WHY we shouldn't  
assume data transfer via GPRS to be massively cheap  affordable.

Where are you?
Are unlimited data plans completely unavailable there? Or just  
expensive?
How much does data transfer cost there? (comparison of data cost  
relative to calls?)
Why is this? A teleco monopoly?
Why is the situation unlikely to change in the foreseeable?


 It is not
 as common in many parts of the world as it is in your part of the  
 world.

Great, so enlighten me. Saying please don't assume that everyone has  
unlimited data plans just makes me think, oooh, look! here's  
someone as cantankerous as I. If you want me to REMEMBER you when  
developing my hypothetical ultimate mail client then tell me  
something memorable about data plans in your country.

As the son of Lancastrian blood, I can sympathise with  
parsimoniousness, but right now Ole's suggestion appears penny- 
pinching to me, rather than practical  prudent economising.  
Enlighten me otherwise! I always wish to be educated.

 I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to  
 download all
 my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with
 *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly
 to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection.

I expect that, too. Certainly under my data plan this would be  
essential for foreign holidays.

 ... Assuming an always-on connection (as
 opposed to just taking advantage of one when it is available) is a
 backwards step.

Or insightful and simple forward thinkingness, depending upon your  
worldview.

Stroller.


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-30 Thread Stroller

On 30 Aug 2008, at 11:52, Ole Kliemann wrote:
 ...
 I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to  
 download all
 my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with
 *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes  
 seamlessly
 to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection.

 This sounds like a reasonable way to handle it.

 But the email traffic I have to handle on the road is really rather  
 low
 volume. My idea of VoIP notification certainly isn't very useful for
 someone who gets several mails an hour. In this case IMAP-idle or with
 interval checking is probably better. I was more looking for a way to
 pass signals to my mobile without having to pay for it.

I meant to ask in my previous email:

Anyone know what is the overhead of IMAP-idle?
(or however interval checking on IMAP works?)

Let's I have 50kb of email per day in one email account, 120kb in  
another. 500kb in another, if you like. How much would it cost (in  
kb) firstly just to download that over GPRS, and secondly to check  
for mail every X minutes through the day.

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-29 Thread Stroller

On 28 Aug 2008, at 18:03, Ole Kliemann wrote:
 ...
 If you have some friends who are willing to use a system like that,  
 then
 message can be passed with notification within this group for a  
 very low
 price. I pay 24euro-ct/MB and only for every started 10kb. On the  
 other
 hand the amount of messages passing through this system will be low.

 AFAIK to have immediate notification with IMAP you have to either  
 keep a
 connection open or check for new mails in intervals. Both will cause
 costs.

I thought the standard now was unlimited data plans. My last  
contract (which included a Sony-E smartphone) just expired this week  
and I am now on a much cheaper tariff which gives me more minutes   
which includes unlimited data.

UK users: O2 were discounting the price of their 600 minute  
simplicity plan for the duration of August, but have now extended  
this deal through September so you have more time left in which to  
get on it. For £20 this includes unlimited texts and one of the  
following free bolt-ons: unlimited texts (WTF?), unlimited O2 to O2  
Calls, unlimited Web Bolt On, unlimited weekend calls, unlimited  
landline calls, unlimited Wi-Fi, 200 extra anytime minutes. https:// 
shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/simonly

You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole,  
but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of  
OpenMoko projects. I think for most people the ideal is to have their  
IMAP client open an internet connection (via wifi / GPRS) every few  
minutes  check for new mails. I've mentioned a couple of times on  
this list how well this is handled by the Nokia N95, which has the  
option (for instance) not to use GPRS when you're on holiday,  
avoiding roaming charges.

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-29 Thread Rod Whitby
Stroller wrote:
 I thought the standard now was unlimited data plans.
...
 You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole,  
 but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of  
 OpenMoko projects.

Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans.  It is not
as common in many parts of the world as it is in your part of the world.

I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to download all
my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with
*no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly
to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection.

My Treo650 does that today.  Assuming an always-on connection (as
opposed to just taking advantage of one when it is available) is a
backwards step.

-- Rod

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Linus Gasser
Ole Kliemann a écrit :
 What I was planning to do:
 I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
 script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
 FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
 internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
 connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
 mail.
   
Some operators block such numbers that are just called and never 
answered. I had my number banned from the network for a similar application!

Ineiti

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Joseph Reeves
We have a Asterisk/FreePBX combination at work. My account is setup to
email me any voicemails I receive as wav files. I can't help but think
that an IMAP client on the phone would be an easier solution to the
one you've proposed.

Joseph



2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 04:20:38PM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:


 Ole Kliemann wrote:
  Hi everyone!
 
  I'd like to have a file where I put in
 
  phonenumber /path/to/shellscript
 
  Everytime an incoming call matches one of the numbers in this file,
  the device just hangs up and executes the corresponding script.
 

 Cool application. This plus Arduino could be the bases of some nice
 remote control.

 What I was planning to do:

 I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
 script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
 FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
 internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
 connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Alexey Kurochkin
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 16:17 +0200, Linus Gasser wrote:
 Ole Kliemann a écrit :
  What I was planning to do:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 Some operators block such numbers that are just called and never 
 answered. I had my number banned from the network for a similar application!

Sue the bastards. It's not my fault nobody wants to talk to me!


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 04:17:56PM +0200, Linus Gasser wrote:
 Ole Kliemann a écrit :
  What I was planning to do:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 Some operators block such numbers that are just called and never 
 answered. I had my number banned from the network for a similar application!

I thought about this too. Guess it could happen, I will see. ;-)


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29:32PM +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
 2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 We have a Asterisk/FreePBX combination at work. My account is setup to
 email me any voicemails I receive as wav files. I can't help but think
 that an IMAP client on the phone would be an easier solution to the
 one you've proposed.

I think it depends on the amount of mail and what you want to do. I
thought of it as a kind of MMS replacement. The ability to send larger
messages with possible multimedia content and having immediate
notification. 

If you have some friends who are willing to use a system like that, then
message can be passed with notification within this group for a very low
price. I pay 24euro-ct/MB and only for every started 10kb. On the other
hand the amount of messages passing through this system will be low. 

AFAIK to have immediate notification with IMAP you have to either keep a
connection open or check for new mails in intervals. Both will cause
costs.


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Joseph Reeves
Good points.

I very rarely take an interest in my voicemail (despite berating
people for not using it more) and yes, an IMAP solution may incur
extra cost. VM as MMS is an interesting idea; I look forward to seeing
how it pans out!

Joseph



2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29:32PM +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
 2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 We have a Asterisk/FreePBX combination at work. My account is setup to
 email me any voicemails I receive as wav files. I can't help but think
 that an IMAP client on the phone would be an easier solution to the
 one you've proposed.

 I think it depends on the amount of mail and what you want to do. I
 thought of it as a kind of MMS replacement. The ability to send larger
 messages with possible multimedia content and having immediate
 notification.

 If you have some friends who are willing to use a system like that, then
 message can be passed with notification within this group for a very low
 price. I pay 24euro-ct/MB and only for every started 10kb. On the other
 hand the amount of messages passing through this system will be low.

 AFAIK to have immediate notification with IMAP you have to either keep a
 connection open or check for new mails in intervals. Both will cause
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Brock
On 2008.08.28.17.03, Ole Kliemann wrote:
| I think it depends on the amount of mail and what you want to do. I
| thought of it as a kind of MMS replacement. The ability to send larger
| messages with possible multimedia content and having immediate
| notification. 

Another idea is to do the same thing with SMS. I know there are
email-SMS gateways so the phone wakes up on SMS then does a pull of
whatever you want. Could be used for all sorts of push like things.

--Brock


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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

2008-07-30 Thread Ryan Svoboda
Both my roommate and I have had a lot of trouble contacting anyone at
openmoko. My roommate had trouble contacting anyone to get information about
when his FreeRunner would ship (he had placed his order 2 hours before I,
and recieved his a week after me due to shiiping problems). I've been trying
to contact Openmoko to have my FreeRunner repaired, since my AUX button is
broken.

I (unfortunately) had to spam everyone on the contact page
http://www.openmoko.com/contact.html, and the only person to respond so far
was [EMAIL PROTECTED] who was able to forward me to the person in charge
of customer support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My original message was sent 9 days
ago, and my first message to Tony was sent 5 days ago

Unfortunately, Tony still hasn't responded. :(

Ryan

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 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 
 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:59:26 +0200
 Subject: Re: ASU - startup broken by upgrade?
 Hello,

 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mr. Morph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Please see this bug report and the workaround in the last comment:
  https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1678

 Ouch1 Thats a large graft. Is it really necessary tom remove so many
 packages?

 Ok, I'll try this.

 Hmm...
 It doesn't seems to work for me:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg remove libecore0
 Collected errors:
  * Package libecore0 is depended upon by packages:
  *  assassin
  *  e-wm
  *  efreet
  *  exquisite
  *  illume
  *  libecore-con
  *  libecore-evas
  *  libecore-fb
  *  libecore-file
  *  libecore-imf
  *  libecore-ipc
  *  libecore-job
  *  libecore-x
  *  libedbus0
  *  libedje0
  *  libefreet-mime0
  *  libefreet0
  *  libehal0
  *  ompower
  *  python-ecore
  *  python-edbus
  *  python-etk
  *  splinter
  * These might cease to work if package libecore0 is removed.

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  * You can force removal of this package and its dependents
  * with -force-removal-of-dependent-packages or -recursive
  * or by setting option force_removal_of_dependent_packages
  * in opkg.conf.

 I needed this:
 opkg -force-depends remove libecore0

 But after that, it still doesn't work. There is a window on my X
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 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:12:04 -0400
 Subject: Re: numptyphysics ipk
 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Ignore me... OPKG to the rescue. This game is awesome! That's the end
 of my working day!


 Would someone be willing to post a video on YouTube of them playing this
 game on their Freerunner? When Crayon Physics came out people flipped when
 they saw it running on a tablet. I think a video on YouTube would help get
 Openmoko some additional exposure.

 -Charles Pax



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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:
 | I read about it, I am sympathetic to it, give me some time to clear
 | some
 | other critical problems.
 |
 | okay, understood.
 |
 | I did wonder if anyone is mounting NFS over it and that is why it is a
 | built-in.
 |
 |
 | i would think that the ability to mount the freerunner as a filesystem
 | is a bit more higher priority than supporting the rare cases where
 | someone is doing an nfs-root boot, no?

 It's one of those lovely situations 

RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

2008-07-30 Thread steve
Everyone is buried in mail.

What can I do for you 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:49 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

Hello
I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for shipping
so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 emails to sales@
since the Friday before last and one email to a specific person I won't name
@openmoko have resulted in no replies.

Regards
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

2008-07-30 Thread Liyueh Shen
Dave,

Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.

Webshop order related questions can be addressed to this email as well -

Payment issue
Change/cancel of order
Shipping status
DOA/Repair/Return

-Liane

steve wrote:
 Everyone is buried in mail.

 What can I do for you 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave O'Connor
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:49 AM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

 Hello
 I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
 the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for shipping
 so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 emails to sales@
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

2008-07-30 Thread Liyueh Shen
Dave,

Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.

steve wrote:
 Everyone is buried in mail.

 What can I do for you 

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave O'Connor
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:49 AM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

 Hello
 I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
 the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for shipping
 so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 emails to sales@
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OLSRD

2008-06-27 Thread Evgeny Ginzburg
Robert Schuster wrote:
 Hi,
 you know we already have B.A.T.M.A.N in OpenEmbedded but now I gave good
 old OLSRD a try too.
 
 I added a recipe for the latest release 0.5.5 and tested it on the
 device. It is working nicely along with the ar6000 being in ad-hoc mode
 (the preferred mode for mesh networks ;) ). No luck with 0.5.3 though -
 it crashes when I want to view the page generated by the httpinfo plugin.
 
 I wanted to do some NATting between the wifi interface and the usbnet
 connection (effectively making my desktop computer an internet gateway
 for the Berlin Freifunk community).
 
 However this was impossible since OpenMoko does not provide the iptables
 package (you can get the kernel modules but not the userspace
 application). You can build it on your own and then everything is fine
 though.
 
 There are also some minor issues with the wifi driver. I reported
 this[0] a while ago already.
 
 I am already happy but I would be so even more if:
  - olsrd version preference could be set to 0.5.5
  - iptables could be installed directly via opkg
 
 The FreeRunner as a wifi mesh-node is a nice use case for the time after
 being a mobile phone. It would be one of the very few nodes that have a
 screen attached. :)
 
 I would like to offer screen shots but there is nothing spectacular to
 see on them. But perhaps you like some console output instead:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0
 eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:olsr.freifunk.net
   Mode:Ad-Hoc  Frequency:2.457 GHz  Cell: 02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE
   Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
   Retry:on
   Encryption key:off
   Power Management:off
   Link Quality:168/94  Signal level:-183 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
 
 (A fixed BSSID of '02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE' is what we use in Berlin to
 overcome some problems with ad-hoc mode specification.)
 
 Starting the daemon:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/olsrd start
 Starting OLSR routing protocol daemon: olsr.org
 
  *** olsr.org - 0.5.5 ***
  Build date: 2008-06-26 23:09:18 on linkist
  http://www.olsr.org
 
 Parsing file: /etc/olsrd.conf
 olsr.org - 0.5.5 detaching from the current process...
 done.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# pidof olsrd
 4479
 
 Pinging a node that is a few hops away:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ping 104.192.0.156
 PING 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156): 56 data bytes
 64 bytes from 104.192.0.156: seq=0 ttl=62 time=89.001 ms
 64 bytes from 104.192.0.156: seq=3 ttl=62 time=45.555 ms
 
 --- 104.192.0.156 ping statistics ---
 4 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 50% packet loss
 round-trip min/avg/max = 45.555/67.278/89.001 ms
 
 Traceroute to it:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# traceroute 104.192.0.156
 traceroute to 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
  1  104.131.4.24 (104.131.4.24)  15.096 ms  29.789 ms  12.770 ms
  2  104.131.4.26 (104.131.4.26)  12.536 ms  11.377 ms  10.147 ms
  3  104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156)  25.497 ms  51.212 ms  51.228 ms
 
 Actually I could find something that may show I am really using this on
 the Neo. I attached is httpinfo plugin generated webpage showing my
 configuration. There are few devices where eth0 is a wifi card. :D
 
 If you are interested I also attached by olsrd.conf. You need to have
 olsrd-plugin-httpinfo, olsrd-plugin-nameservice (didn't work as
 expected) and olsrd-plugin-dyngw installed besides the daemon.
 
 Regards
 Robert
 
 [0] - http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1392

Nice enough!
I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos.
Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku.
OK first I have to buy one.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OLSRD

2008-06-27 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi.

Evgeny Ginzburg schrieb:
 Nice enough!
 I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos.
 Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku.
 OK first I have to buy one.
We do not have netsukuku recipes in OE yet. But that could be fixed
quickly if it is easy to build.

Volunteering to provide a recipe? Then you can have the binary before
your phone arrives. :)

Regards
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Re: Email disclaimers [Was: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?]

2008-05-16 Thread AVee
On Friday 16 May 2008 07:19, Wilkinson, Alex wrote:

 IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence
 Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES
 ACT 1914.  If you have received this email in error, you are requested to
 contact the sender and delete the email.

Is there actually someone in the Australian Defence Organisation who really 
thinks this is usefull? How do you guys defend your country, using red tape?

Email disclaimers are annoying and useless. They are even more annoying and 
useless when send to mailing lists. Please either talk some common sense into 
the one who dreamed this up or us a proper emailservice somewhere.

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Re: Email disclaimers [Was: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?]

2008-05-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:43:31 +0200 AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Friday 16 May 2008 07:19, Wilkinson, Alex wrote:
 
  IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence
  Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES
  ACT 1914.  If you have received this email in error, you are requested to
  contact the sender and delete the email.
 
 Is there actually someone in the Australian Defence Organisation who really 
 thinks this is usefull? How do you guys defend your country, using red tape?


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... the red tape, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and
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Re: Email App

2007-11-27 Thread Greg Oliver
On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 09:52 -0600, Tim Shannon wrote:
 I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app.  I though
 originally there was going to be one app that handled all
 communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
 anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework.
 
 Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be
 around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale?
 
 thanks,
 

I would really like to see an exchange connector so I can sync
contacts/email/calendar with Zimbra.  It will be hard to go back from
those niceties!

-Greg


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Re: Email App

2007-11-21 Thread Evgeny Ginzburg
Tim Shannon wrote:
 I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app.  I though
 originally there was going to be one app that handled all
 communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
 anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework.
 
 Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be
 around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale?
 
 thanks,
There is mockup made by Milko Krachounov implementing GUI only for 
mail and it'll posiibly to expand it.
Take a look at:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html


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Re: Email App

2007-11-21 Thread Justyn Butler
Is there any kind of app for sending and receiving SMS (text) messages
yet? Or does it still have to be done using AT commands as the wiki
suggests?

On 20/11/2007, Enno Gottox Boland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thought tinymail would do this job.

 2007/11/20, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Uhm, I haven't heard anything about anyone making one, but i was
  thinking of playing around with sms/email stuff in python when i get my
  neo when the gta02 is out.
 
  Or if anyone else are doing anything in python, i would like to help.
 
  -Kristoffer
 
  Tim Shannon skrev:
   I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app.  I though
   originally there was going to be one app that handled all
   communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
   anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework.
  
   Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be
   around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale?
  
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Re: Email App

2007-11-21 Thread Ian Darwin
Thomas Wood wrote:
 On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 09:52 -0600, Tim Shannon wrote:
 I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app.  I though
 originally there was going to be one app that handled all
 communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
 anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework.
 
 Check applications/openmoko-messages2
 
 We are hoping that something will be ready for the next snapshot, but it
 will only be a simple SMS application to send and receive messages.

That's a great step, thanks!

Obviously later it can grow to do email...

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Re: Email App

2007-11-21 Thread Thomas Wood

On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 02:24 +, Justyn Butler wrote:
 Is there any kind of app for sending and receiving SMS (text) messages
 yet? Or does it still have to be done using AT commands as the wiki
 suggests?

You'll be please to know we had our first success at sending SMS from
openmoko-messages today. It can also read received messages. Please see
my reply from yesterday for more information.

Regards,

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Re: Email App

2007-11-21 Thread Ian Darwin
Daniel Robinson wrote:
 Would someone take me off this goddamn list, again?
 
 I was subscribed to it once, and unsubbed, but I keep showing up on it.
 
 What the hell is going on?

You know, that's pretty strong language. There are worse things in the 
world than accidentally getting back on a mailing list once. You could 
have all your belongings seized by a tyrannical government (as happened 
recently in Indiana, see http://www.fff.org/comment/com0711j.asp). Or 
you could have your country invaded by a global bully on false pretenses 
(see Iraq, invasion of). Or worse, your OpenMoko could stop working. 
Let's try to keep things in perspective.

Maybe you could just unsubscribe yourself once more using what appears 
at the bottom of every message:
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Re: Email App (why openmoko-apps not on gmane?)

2007-11-21 Thread AVee
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 14:40, Lars Hallberg wrote:
 Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not*
 available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow.

Help yourself:
http://gmane.org/add.php

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Re: Email App (why openmoko-apps not on gmane?)

2007-11-21 Thread Lars Hallberg
Mike Montour skrev:
 Lars Hallberg wrote:
 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html
 Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not* 
 available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow.
 
 It is there - gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.apps (as are all of the 
 others). That's where I read the lists - I'm only directly subscribed to 
 announce and device-owners.

Sorry... didn't hit the update button *banging head to wall*.

Thanks /LaH


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Re: Email App

2007-11-20 Thread flexd
Uhm, I haven't heard anything about anyone making one, but i was 
thinking of playing around with sms/email stuff in python when i get my 
neo when the gta02 is out.


Or if anyone else are doing anything in python, i would like to help.

-Kristoffer

Tim Shannon skrev:

I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app.  I though
originally there was going to be one app that handled all
communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework.

Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be
around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale?

thanks,

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Re: Email App

2007-11-20 Thread Enno Gottox Boland
Thought tinymail would do this job.

2007/11/20, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Uhm, I haven't heard anything about anyone making one, but i was
 thinking of playing around with sms/email stuff in python when i get my
 neo when the gta02 is out.

 Or if anyone else are doing anything in python, i would like to help.

 -Kristoffer

 Tim Shannon skrev:
  I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app.  I though
  originally there was going to be one app that handled all
  communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
  anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework.
 
  Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be
  around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale?
 
  thanks,
 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread William Voorhees
OMG Awesome,
Rasterman is amazing!

-Will

On 11/2/07, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:56:26 +0800, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:52:59 +0100 Pietro \m0nt0\ Montorfano
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  Oh yeah, welcome Rasterman!!
  So e17 also on openmoko phone? :D
  Wow!! I'm sooo excited!
 
  Um Hi Guys! :)
  *bounce*
 

 Hi !


  E17 on phones - let's see. I'm really keen to see it be able to do that.
  If it
  means making a phone sexy - I'm all over it like stink on stinky tofu. :)

 Great news !!!

 I am e17 user for some years ago after DR16 user so I know you was 
 specialized in embedded systems :)

 OpenMoko is a kind of a logical way for you :)

 great welcome and see you soon :)

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:56:26 +0800, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:52:59 +0100 Pietro \m0nt0\ Montorfano
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 Oh yeah, welcome Rasterman!!
 So e17 also on openmoko phone? :D
 Wow!! I'm sooo excited!
 
 Um Hi Guys! :)
 *bounce*
 

Hi !


 E17 on phones - let's see. I'm really keen to see it be able to do that.
 If it
 means making a phone sexy - I'm all over it like stink on stinky tofu. :)

Great news !!!

I am e17 user for some years ago after DR16 user so I know you was specialized 
in embedded systems :)

OpenMoko is a kind of a logical way for you :)

great welcome and see you soon :)

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RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread thomas.cooksey
Oh yeah, welcome Rasterman!!
So e17 also on openmoko phone? :D
Wow!! I'm sooo excited!

E17 is already running on the neo (in a fashion):
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8294545513.html

FancyPants is based on E17 - more info at
http://linuxdevices.com/files/article078/fst-fancypants-celf2007.pdf


Cheers,

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread Oliver
Hey guys, there's even a video of fancypants showing video on the Neo:

http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html

Woo! /Oliver
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread Florent THIERY
 Running e17 even as we speak.

Same here :)

Very big news, thank you, Sean and Raster !

Have fun

Flo

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
You're talking about EFL, not e17.
But e17 is of course running, too :)
http://gstaedtner.net/e17_on_Neo.avi

Back on topic:
Welcome raster, I'm looking forward to see what the future will bring to us.

On 11/2/07, Florent THIERY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Running e17 even as we speak.

 Same here :)

 Very big news, thank you, Sean and Raster !

 Have fun

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread Jonathon Suggs
That does look pretty impressive especially considering that hardware
acceleration isn't implemented.

But now my question is how does e17, OKL4, raster, etc. all fit into the
overall OpenMoko equation?

-Jonathon


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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:45:52 +0100

Hey guys, there's even a video of fancypants showing video on the Neo:

http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread David Samblas Martinez

WOW this video is really impressive, if there was not for the little swinging 
of the camera at the end of the video , seems too smooth to be real as a 
photoshoped thing of fake, but the mistakes, perhaps mistake is to hard to 
descrive it  better mechanical noises in zoom and positioning, or the author 
is a little advanced on infographics or it seems very real!!!
By the way.
The Neo will come with the pen/pointer used in  the video??
Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: That does look pretty impressive 
especially considering that hardware
acceleration isn't implemented.

But now my question is how does e17, OKL4, raster, etc. all fit into the
overall OpenMoko equation?

-Jonathon


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To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:45:52 +0100

Hey guys, there's even a video of fancypants showing video on the Neo:

http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:15:25 -0500 William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 OMG Awesome,
 Rasterman is amazing!

shucks - um... thanks. :) Though don't give me too much credit. I have built on
top of the work of many who have trodden paths before me. I have made use of
infrastructure others have laid out. I'm just that crazy old man in the town
square muttering incoherent phrases to himself and anyone else in earshot :)

 -Will
 
 On 11/2/07, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:56:26 +0800, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:52:59 +0100 Pietro \m0nt0\ Montorfano
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   Oh yeah, welcome Rasterman!!
   So e17 also on openmoko phone? :D
   Wow!! I'm sooo excited!
  
   Um Hi Guys! :)
   *bounce*
  
 
  Hi !
 
 
   E17 on phones - let's see. I'm really keen to see it be able to do that.
   If it
   means making a phone sexy - I'm all over it like stink on stinky tofu. :)
 
  Great news !!!
 
  I am e17 user for some years ago after DR16 user so I know you was
  specialized in embedded systems :)
 
  OpenMoko is a kind of a logical way for you :)
 
  great welcome and see you soon :)
 
  Steven (waiting for his Neo1973 GTA02 - EFL/OpenMoko :) )
 
 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:46:21 +0100 (CET) David Samblas Martinez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

Fancypants is something that FST has worked on - they have built on to of EFL
(evas and friends). the same thing E17 is built on. It's NOT a replacement for
GTK - (though things like ETK and EWL do exist and are close replacements), but
what it *IS* good at far above and beyond anything else is hellishly customised
2D UI's with smooth fast graphics - without needing graphics acceleration.
smart and optimised use of raw compute power can get you a long long long way.
That's why E17 has taken so long - a huge effort has been sunk into layers of
software below it to do just this - scale from tiny embedded devices all the
way to multi-ghz multi-core behemoths (yes evas's rendering engine is SLI and
will actually go use all CPU cores you have - automatically).

So to make any UI's that are different/exciting/sexy/whatever - it's not a bad
choice (and yes Openhand hand have clutter and we can go on and on about
other things that might be similar). This does not mean throwing away any
existing apps. GTK is a fine widget set. Use it. I believe in choice - choose
your language, your toolkit, your UI. choose what is best for you.

So where do I fit - Well my business card has 2 titles. 1 is Evil Overlord.
Personally I like this one :) The other has Lead Architect - Graphics. That's
pretty fuzzy, but I guess if it has pixels involved - I'll be at least sniffing
around at it. Personally I want to make OpenMoko not just work - but sing. Be
exciting. Be sexy. Beautiful graphics  UI's are not just something Apple does.
They just help raise the bar.

 WOW this video is really impressive, if there was not for the little swinging
 of the camera at the end of the video , seems too smooth to be real as a
 photoshoped thing of fake, but the mistakes, perhaps mistake is to hard to
 descrive it  better mechanical noises in zoom and positioning, or the
 author is a little advanced on infographics or it seems very real!!! By the
 way. The Neo will come with the pen/pointer used in  the video?? Jonathon
 Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: That does look pretty impressive
 especially considering that hardware acceleration isn't implemented.
 
 But now my question is how does e17, OKL4, raster, etc. all fit into the
 overall OpenMoko equation?
 
 -Jonathon
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Oliver 
 Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
 
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:45:52 +0100
 
 Hey guys, there's even a video of fancypants showing video on the Neo:
 
 http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html
 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-01 Thread Ryan Prior
How exciting. :-)
Let's give OpenMoko a killer GUI, okay?
BTW -- does this mean Enlightenment glitz for the Moko UI?

On 11/1/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-01 Thread Jeremy G
Running e17 even as we speak.  Welcome aboard!

Jeremy

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-01 Thread Sudharshan S

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 22:49 -0500, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
 Dear Community,
 
 I'm extremely excited to announce that Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) 
 has joined OpenMoko, Inc. The man hardly needs an introduction. Please 
 just give him a warm welcome to our community / company ;-)
 
 Sean
 

Wooh (Homer style),
Call me a moron, but I kinda had a feeling raster was upto something
after seeing him in #openmoko.
Now I am sure Openmoko would have a sexy UI to it..
E17 rocks btw, big fan of it...
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:52:59 +0100 Pietro \m0nt0\ Montorfano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Oh yeah, welcome Rasterman!!
 So e17 also on openmoko phone? :D
 Wow!! I'm sooo excited!

Um Hi Guys! :)
*bounce*

E17 on phones - let's see. I'm really keen to see it be able to do that. If it
means making a phone sexy - I'm all over it like stink on stinky tofu. :)

 Pietro
 
 Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto:
  Dear Community,
 
  I'm extremely excited to announce that Carsten Haitzler (The 
  Rasterman) has joined OpenMoko, Inc. The man hardly needs an 
  introduction. Please just give him a warm welcome to our community / 
  company ;-)
 
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RE: Email Problems????

2007-07-28 Thread Heilpern, Mark



I've had a very different problem... 3 times I've replied to my order asking for an invoice, and 2 of them definitely went though, however my only response was "our records show your request has been fulfilled" (and yet I've neither received an invoice nor a reply that suggests it's not possible).


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steve GrevemeyerSent: Fri 7/27/2007 9:26 AMTo: community@lists.openmoko.orgSubject: Email Problems

All,Is it just me or do other have problems trying to email anyone @openmoko.com??I've been trying to get any information on my order for weeks. I consistently get an delay response: The original message was received at Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:02:43 -0400 from c-76-109-107-17.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.107.17] - Transcript of session follows - 451 4.4.1 reply: read error from sita.openmoko.org. [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Deferred: Connection timed out with sita.openmoko.org. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days oldI've even tried emailing William Lai directly but I get the sameresponse.I have an order number [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1920] but haven'tgotten even the YES_I_DO email. (though I tried to send in a preemptiveone.)Sorry to send this through the list but I've about exhausted all of theother alternatives. Oh, and I want the phone. :) :)-segSteve Grevemeyer[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread vivek khurana

On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Um...  That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all.  You're
solution is Just don't use Gmail.  Duh!.  That's not a valid answer to my
question.  Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid response:
use Outlook or Thunderbird and download all your messages via POP.

I use Gmail.  Accept it.  Now, if you had a Greasemonkey script that made
Gmail thread the messages, that would be acceptable.

Threaded view in Gmail client works fine ( running under Firefox 1.5
). There are few messages here and there which jump out of thread.
Maybe you should check your settings or write to google.

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Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread Ortwin Regel

You are talking about flat, web forum style threading, though. What he wants
is tree style threading like in the ML archives, Slashdot comments etc.

Ortwin

On 7/26/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Um...  That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at
all.  You're
 solution is Just don't use Gmail.  Duh!.  That's not a valid answer to
my
 question.  Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid
response:
 use Outlook or Thunderbird and download all your messages via POP.

 I use Gmail.  Accept it.  Now, if you had a Greasemonkey script that
made
 Gmail thread the messages, that would be acceptable.
Threaded view in Gmail client works fine ( running under Firefox 1.5
). There are few messages here and there which jump out of thread.
Maybe you should check your settings or write to google.

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Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread ramsesoriginal
Ehrm.. try looking at the settings, maybe you habe simply deactivated it.
Because for me it works pretty fine with the threated view.

oh, yes, and by the way, the possibility to format text and include
images/links/wathever would be really good for the average user.

On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Um...  That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all.
 You're solution is Just don't use Gmail.  Duh!.  That's not a valid answer
 to my question.  Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid
 response: use Outlook or Thunderbird and download all your messages via
 POP.

 I use Gmail.  Accept it.  Now, if you had a Greasemonkey script that made
 Gmail thread the messages, that would be acceptable.

 Thank you,
 -Steven

 On 7/25/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   So, my questions:
   1.  Is there a way to get Gmail to thread the messages based on who it
  was
   in response to?
  Yup, admins can set archiving at www.gmane.org. This way you will have
  archiving as well as threaded view
 
  regards
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Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Sebastian Krause
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 Not trying to prove something -- trying to give benefit of long experience
 in similar situations.  Email is substantially more efficient, because it is
 intrinsically more powerful.  For example:

8) Staying in touch directly with the community from my OpenMoko
phone in a year using an expensive GPRS connection:

- E-Mail: Loading everything via POP3 or even better compressed UUCP
  on my phone, reading with my favorite mail client that suits the
  display. Uses minimum bandwidth and I can cut the connection after
  loading mail. Cheap.
- Web forum: Suffer with the web browser on a forum design not
  suitable to the small display. Using tons of bandwidth for every
  request, staying online all the time. Really expensive.

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Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Ortwin Regel

On the other hand, via email you load everything while on a forum you choose
what to view.
The screen size argument also doesn't work too well as the Neo has 640*480
which is plenty and an official forum would obviously make sure to fit well
into that resolution.

How about continuing the discussion in the forum? :P

Ortwin

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not trying to prove something -- trying to give benefit of long
experience
 in similar situations.  Email is substantially more efficient, because
it is
 intrinsically more powerful.  For example:

8) Staying in touch directly with the community from my OpenMoko
phone in a year using an expensive GPRS connection:

- E-Mail: Loading everything via POP3 or even better compressed UUCP
  on my phone, reading with my favorite mail client that suits the
  display. Uses minimum bandwidth and I can cut the connection after
  loading mail. Cheap.
- Web forum: Suffer with the web browser on a forum design not
  suitable to the small display. Using tons of bandwidth for every
  request, staying online all the time. Really expensive.

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