Re: fairphone??
Well, first you start with an existing phone design, where the production line is all tooled up, and you start with making sure the tantalum in the capacitors is only from conflict-free regions. That probably adds $2 per phone, and a whole lot of arm-twisting with suppliers (which is the really expensive part) On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 06:30:07PM +0200, urodelo wrote: > yep; i just wonder how can they keep the cost so low with 1500 > preordes and "fair working conditions, salary etc"... who really > checks the working conditions in congo or wherever they produce it? > > On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:38:05 +0200, Patryk Benderz > wrote: > > >[cut] > >>what do you think? > > AFAIR It was already posted and discussed here. It is cheaper than > >GTA04 - they must have invested money to order bigger batch of phones. > >Specifications looks nice. I still have my working phone, so will not > >order it. And even if I was looking for some phone, sadly I can't afford > >it :(. Even my company does not pay for smart phones more than 150-200 > >euro. > > > > > -- > 不要催我!你曾經問過梵谷畫很快嗎? > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fairphone??
let's wait for first sales, if they are urodelo писал 2013-05-15 20:30: yep; i just wonder how can they keep the cost so low with 1500 preordes and "fair working conditions, salary etc"... who really checks the working conditions in congo or wherever they produce it? On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:38:05 +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: [cut] what do you think? AFAIR It was already posted and discussed here. It is cheaper than GTA04 - they must have invested money to order bigger batch of phones. Specifications looks nice. I still have my working phone, so will not order it. And even if I was looking for some phone, sadly I can't afford it :(. Even my company does not pay for smart phones more than 150-200 euro. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fairphone??
yep; i just wonder how can they keep the cost so low with 1500 preordes and "fair working conditions, salary etc"... who really checks the working conditions in congo or wherever they produce it? On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:38:05 +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: [cut] what do you think? AFAIR It was already posted and discussed here. It is cheaper than GTA04 - they must have invested money to order bigger batch of phones. Specifications looks nice. I still have my working phone, so will not order it. And even if I was looking for some phone, sadly I can't afford it :(. Even my company does not pay for smart phones more than 150-200 euro. -- 不要催我!你曾經問過梵谷畫很快嗎? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fairphone??
[cut] > what do you think? AFAIR It was already posted and discussed here. It is cheaper than GTA04 - they must have invested money to order bigger batch of phones. Specifications looks nice. I still have my working phone, so will not order it. And even if I was looking for some phone, sadly I can't afford it :(. Even my company does not pay for smart phones more than 150-200 euro. -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fairphone
On Wed 03 April 2013 15:49:02 joerg Reisenweber wrote: > On Wed 03 April 2013 15:36:13 Alexander Lehner wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2013, pike wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Fairphone aims ... supply chain for conflict minerals, poor > > > working conditions or environmental destruction > > >>> > > >>> The Neo FreeRunner is a Linux-based touch screen smart phone > > >>> ultimately aimed at general consumer use (...) > > >>> will appreciate the total freedom they have to use and design > > >>> software for the FreeRunner. > > >> > > >> Two completely different philosophies at work with little common > > >> ground. > > > > > > exactly. i couldnt even find whats running on > > > the fairphone - probably stock closed android. > > > > > > it could be a selling point for openmoko to > > > be green (and slaveless) too, though. I've > > > never heard anyone about it on the list. > > > > Is I already posted earlier on this list, there is already a 'fair' > > product, a simple mouse, and it's ready to buy: > > > > http://www.nager-it.de/maus > > > > A mouse of that simplenes and design is usually given away as goodie if > > you are on a fair (exhibition). > > > > The price for the fair mouse starts at 30 EUR with 'upgrade' packages for > > a 3rd mousebutton etc... > > > > So the 'fair' production costs are about 10x higher. > > Hard to believe that someone buys a phone that costs 3000 EUR, > > > > Seeing this before the background, that geeks like us - which are usually > > willing to spent more money than necessary for toys - are unable to > > finance Nikolaus GTA project. > > > > A. > > Add to that the fact(?, rather suspicion) that the electronic components in > that fair mouse are still NOT fair production, since it would be impossible > to get chips produced from fair rare earth etc in a volume needed for > those few hundred mice. > I don't think *anybody* has bothered to produce "fair" chips (silicone) so > far, since it's near impossible and would make chips like 30* to 100* as > expensive if it could be done, due to low volumes asked. see http://www.nager-it.de/maus/umsetzung Amazingly they were able to source a few "fair" elcos, capacitors, resistors, switches. According to this, probably gta04 is also "fair" /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fairphone
On Wed 03 April 2013 15:36:13 Alexander Lehner wrote: > On Wed, 3 Apr 2013, pike wrote: > > Hi > > > > Fairphone aims ... supply chain for conflict minerals, poor > > working conditions or environmental destruction > >>> > >>> The Neo FreeRunner is a Linux-based touch screen smart phone > >>> ultimately aimed at general consumer use (...) > >>> will appreciate the total freedom they have to use and design > >>> software for the FreeRunner. > >> > >> Two completely different philosophies at work with little common > >> ground. > > > > exactly. i couldnt even find whats running on > > the fairphone - probably stock closed android. > > > > it could be a selling point for openmoko to > > be green (and slaveless) too, though. I've > > never heard anyone about it on the list. > > Is I already posted earlier on this list, there is already a 'fair' > product, a simple mouse, and it's ready to buy: > > http://www.nager-it.de/maus > > A mouse of that simplenes and design is usually given away as goodie if > you are on a fair (exhibition). > > The price for the fair mouse starts at 30 EUR with 'upgrade' packages for > a 3rd mousebutton etc... > > So the 'fair' production costs are about 10x higher. > Hard to believe that someone buys a phone that costs 3000 EUR, > > Seeing this before the background, that geeks like us - which are usually > willing to spent more money than necessary for toys - are unable to > finance Nikolaus GTA project. > > A. Add to that the fact(?, rather suspicion) that the electronic components in that fair mouse are still NOT fair production, since it would be impossible to get chips produced from fair rare earth etc in a volume needed for those few hundred mice. I don't think *anybody* has bothered to produce "fair" chips (silicone) so far, since it's near impossible and would make chips like 30* to 100* as expensive if it could be done, due to low volumes asked. /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fairphone
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013, pike wrote: Hi Fairphone aims ... supply chain for conflict minerals, poor working conditions or environmental destruction The Neo FreeRunner is a Linux-based touch screen smart phone ultimately aimed at general consumer use (...) will appreciate the total freedom they have to use and design software for the FreeRunner. Two completely different philosophies at work with little common ground. exactly. i couldnt even find whats running on the fairphone - probably stock closed android. it could be a selling point for openmoko to be green (and slaveless) too, though. I've never heard anyone about it on the list. Is I already posted earlier on this list, there is already a 'fair' product, a simple mouse, and it's ready to buy: http://www.nager-it.de/maus A mouse of that simplenes and design is usually given away as goodie if you are on a fair (exhibition). The price for the fair mouse starts at 30 EUR with 'upgrade' packages for a 3rd mousebutton etc... So the 'fair' production costs are about 10x higher. Hard to believe that someone buys a phone that costs 3000 EUR, Seeing this before the background, that geeks like us - which are usually willing to spent more money than necessary for toys - are unable to finance Nikolaus GTA project. A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fairphone
Hi Fairphone aims ... supply chain for conflict minerals, poor working conditions or environmental destruction The Neo FreeRunner is a Linux-based touch screen smart phone ultimately aimed at general consumer use (...) will appreciate the total freedom they have to use and design software for the FreeRunner. Two completely different philosophies at work with little common ground. exactly. i couldnt even find whats running on the fairphone - probably stock closed android. it could be a selling point for openmoko to be green (and slaveless) too, though. I've never heard anyone about it on the list. open, free AND fair, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fairphone
On 03 Apr 2013 11:53:00 +0200 openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) wrote: > >> Fairphone aims ... supply chain for conflict minerals, poor working > >> conditions or environmental destruction > snip > Openmoko release a full working product. This will be a archivement > in computer history. .Fairphone will never do. I am so sick of all > this "genius" preorder products never available. > > Christoph > > Two completely different philosophies at work with little common ground. It is fair to comment that our geekphones were not well promoted - but this is the first I have heard of Fairphone, although i don't make a habit of reading the German language internet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
