Re: server update
Very well summarized, thanks Timo! Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[cut] What we have in mind will definitely be an entity that most people will have heard of, not some obscure small group... Like ours? ;) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: server update
Hi Radek, On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 08:54:32PM +, Radek Polak wrote: On Tuesday 22 May 2012 15:44:23 Harald Welte wrote: We're right now in some discussions and unless we don't have active confirmation from the proposed new owner of trademark + domain, we don't want to throw around any names. I dont get it. Why these secrets? Of course it's not problem to wait a few weeks - there was silence from openmoko company for years. But why not be open? I think this community deserves it... The point is one of trust. If I privately start a conversation with somebody else, or another organization, then I would normally not publicize the content of such private e-mail exchange without getting some feedback from them first. Also, the fact when a particular event happens, and how it is publicized is always considere important in the corporate world. Now if you like that or not, Openmoko Inc. was (and still is) a commercial entity. And it's up to its management to decide when and to whom to publish something. Let's say, e.g. if we had mentioned that there were talks between Openmoko Inc. and organization XYZ about transferring the trademark, and then a couple of days later XYZ declines such a request, it would look quite a bit unprofessional - to the fact that XYZ even might state why did they talk about such a transfer without getting our approval first? Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Patryk, On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 09:58:51AM +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: What we have in mind will definitely be an entity that most people will have heard of, not some obscure small group... Like ours? ;) I was not referring to anyone specifically. The fact is that the current owners of the name rights will want to know for sure that it is used non-profit. After all, we don't want to see some other company selling Openmoko dishwashers next year, or to create yet-another-reinvented Android home screen and sell that as Openmoko. Once you transferred the trademark, the new recipient can do whatever he pleasee with it, so there should be some trust in an established/recognized/well-known entity that this won't happen. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[cut] Like ours? ;) I was not referring to anyone specifically. The fact is that the [cut] Harald, I used a smiley with a blink, it was just a joke... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2012/5/23 Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org: Also, the fact when a particular event happens, and how it is publicized is always considere important in the corporate world. Now if you like that or not, Openmoko Inc. was (and still is) a commercial entity. And it's up to its management to decide when and to whom to publish something. As a sidenote, I'd say that's something FLOSS communities should actually learn from commercial entities. Transparency is one thing, but preparing something well and getting it publicized in the right way is essential for any sort of success, community or otherwise. Way too often communities work in the way that kind of says well there's me and a couple of other guys/gals who know how the thing really goes, others can always ask on IRC. Meanwhile, there is always the larger public perception that matters to success and eg. attracting new people that can be only affected by proper marketing and other PR. This naturally is very much seen in Openmoko - the public perception is very twisted and confused, and has always been since at least Spring 2009 when Om Inc stopped with the handset business. Even before that community vs. company picture wasn't clear and we all struggled to understand what Openmoko actually is, and what the community itself should take responsibility of or manage. The end result together with various other problems like with the hardware was a uniquely spread out and non-organized community. And so it is still today, with the exception that everyone has needed to find their places elsewhere but some still have stayed and understood the value of this gathering of people. To re-cap for historians again: 1) Openmoko Inc - the company - stopped phone business in May 2009 2) Openmoko - the Linux distribution - stopped likewise circa 2009. Several community distributions supporting Openmoko hardware and other phones still active and developed. SHR, Debian, QtMoko, Android4FreeRunner. 3) Openmoko - the hardware - GTA02 'Neo FreeRunner' still available from selected stores for tinkerers, non-Openmoko Inc GTA04 upgrade now available, before that there was work on-going on gta02-core, various hardware tools and knowledge on free hw creation have improved 4) Openmoko - the project and community - the 'Free The Phone' people are still here and even more there: in distributions, in FreeSmartphone.Org/oFono, freeing up nonfree-by-default-phones (Mer/Replicant/etc), helping GTA04 effort and other new hardware projects. Wiki is still relevant and even updated in many parts, as are mailing lists, while most other services like software development have moved elsewhere like the single software projects or distributions One of the most important things that happened when Om Inc still was in the phone business was the birth of the (idea of) Om2009 distribution and the freesmartphone.org middleware. At that point the idea that Openmoko software would be needed kind of shifted away, the software side of the problem called 'phone' externalized to its own software project. Later on also oFono materialized as an alternative for the subset of the same problem space. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: server update
Hi Sean, Am 22.05.2012 um 16:00 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: Dear Community (Here comes an overdue update...) Harald, with help from Roh and Gismo, has been updating / consolidating our server infrastructure and will soon migrate to modern hardware. I'm working on transferring the openmoko.org trademark and domain ownership to a recognized non-profit entity in the Free Software ++ community. This is an important step that we've wanted to do for some time. More details will follow. I hope there will be some way that *we* (the community) can influence/decide about our faith, i.e. by choosing or voting for the new entity finally owning the trademark. What I would not like to see is that it is going to be some entity I have never heard of and therefore have neither trust in nor an idea where they will move us to. But you may already plan to ask us for proposals. In the meantime, we're actively looking for a volunteer with strong sysadmin skills to continue to maintain the infrastructure after these changes. The basic setup will consist of debian systems with apache, lighttpd, mediawiki, trac, svn, git, exim, mailman, cyrus-imapd, openvz, vsftpd and munin. If anyone is interested, please contact myself and Harald off-list. Finally, I want to give a personal thanks to Roh and Gismo for all their work keeping our infrastructure alive. me too! Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Nikolaus and others, On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 04:30:56PM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: community. This is an important step that we've wanted to do for some time. More details will follow. I hope there will be some way that *we* (the community) can influence/decide about our faith, i.e. by choosing or voting for the new entity finally owning the trademark. I'm not sure if that's really worth the effort and delay associated with it. What I would not like to see is that it is going to be some entity I have never heard of and therefore have neither trust in nor an idea where they will move us to. We're right now in some discussions and unless we don't have active confirmation from the proposed new owner of trademark + domain, we don't want to throw around any names. By the end of this week, thing should be a bit more clear. What we have in mind will definitely be an entity that most people will have heard of, not some obscure small group... Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tuesday 22 May 2012 15:44:23 Harald Welte wrote: We're right now in some discussions and unless we don't have active confirmation from the proposed new owner of trademark + domain, we don't want to throw around any names. I dont get it. Why these secrets? Of course it's not problem to wait a few weeks - there was silence from openmoko company for years. But why not be open? I think this community deserves it... Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: server update
On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:44:23 +0200 Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org wrote: What we have in mind will definitely be an entity that most people will have heard of, not some obscure small group... From the top of my hat I'd hazzard FSFE or Software Freedom Conservancy... I wonder what the end result will be :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org writes: On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:44:23 +0200 Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org wrote: What we have in mind will definitely be an entity that most people will have heard of, not some obscure small group... From the top of my hat I'd hazzard FSFE or Software Freedom Conservancy... I wonder what the end result will be :) Or maybe it'll be the Santa Cruz Operation :p -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: community. This is an important step that we've wanted to do for some time. More details will follow. I hope there will be some way that *we* (the community) can influence/decide about our faith, i.e. by choosing or voting for the new entity finally owning the trademark. What I would not like to see is that it is going to be some entity I have never heard of and therefore have neither trust in nor an idea where they will move us to. Dr Nikolaus Thanks for your feedback. It will be a recognized non-profit entity in the Free Software world. Our main concern is the long term commitment of the non-profit. We are pursuing a number of options in parallel. But I won't name any organizations publicly until we get commitments. That would put unfair pressure / expectations on both sides. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
