Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
Well, as stupid that sounds, without signing a contract, you won't get a SIM from them. And I do know, that there are really stupid carriers (e.g. drei.at) that insist on the 24-months contract binding time, even if you don't take the subsidy. Guess the US carriers are even more evil, because they in fact have no regulation nor competition to reign them in. (btw, using a prepaid card involves legally speaking a contract too, it's just that the contract is not signed, only executed by doing. Plus prepaid data costs are not very attractive.) Andreas * Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070228 15:05]: Why would you sign a contract? My understanding was that the only benefit to a contract was a subsidized phone. If you're using the Neo1973, you're not going to need that crippled, subsidized phone. Then, since you're not bound by a ridiculous contract, you could switch to another provider if they tried to restrict your data usage. -Steven On 2/27/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part that scares me about the Data Connect is the wording at the top-level data page that includes the phrase Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-cell-phone-plans.jsp?_requestid=82997_requestid=104169 Data Connect Access your e-mail, corporate intranet, and the Internet while on the go by wirelessly connecting your PDA to the Internet. Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. Service is not available at all times in all places. View Map and Coverage Limitations. View all 4 Data Connect Cingular Plans I'm a bit worried that they will accept the 2-contract only to turn around after a few weeks and point out that this plan only allows me to use a Cingular PDA. The Smartphone Connect only talks about browsing the internet. That has the potential liability that they only allow a proxied port-80/tcp connection and nothing else. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I recall the same thing happened with cable internet service. Running a server initially just meant running a server that was serving lots of people. Before the year was over it came to mean running your own sendmail which only accepted mail for yourself. -wolfgang Steven ** writes: Seems like you'd want either the Data Connect plan (http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service//cell-phone-plans/data-connect-plans.jsp) or the Smartphone Connect plan (http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service//cell-phone-plans/smartphone-connect-plans.jsp). I'd go with the Smartphone Connect unlimited for $20. -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ISN: 6001*308 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
* Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070228 00:06]: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. I tried my best to understand the 8+ different Cingular data offerings and it seems at first glance that each of them either requires using a device bought from Cingular or approved by name (eg. the various Blackberry planes) http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-cell-phone-plans.jsp?_requestid=82997 Well, the Smartphone, Data and Laptop plans should work. OTOH, it's basic stupidity, because they seem to sell the same product unlimited internet access with different prices depending upon which device you insert your SIM card into. So IANAL, but I guess you should be ok to use the Smartphone plan, as the Neo is a smartphone ;) The problem, why this is stupid, is the fact that many smartphones allow sharing the internet access to a laptop via Bluetooth. They can disable this on their own enhanced brand phones, but buying the same phone from the manufacturer will include this subversive features. (btw, that makes sometimes sense, because my phone has better reception than my UMTS data card.) GPRS/UMTS offers basically one way to differate data offerings, by offering different APNs (access point names). E.g. my phone offers basically three APNs (Blackberry, T-Mobile MMS, Internet). Blackberry will probably connect you to a special network garden, that allows for pushing email. MMS allows sending/receiving MMS. And internet is basically a NAT-ed internet access. Now offering the same network destination (Internet) with different prices attached depending upon the device used is a creative way for the legal department, but it's hard to implement network-wise. The only thing would be that Cingular only allows connecting via pre-authenticated EMEI-identified phones. Haven't heard yet that they do this to their customers. The alternate way would be to log the EMEI, decode (if that's at all possible) what device it is, and later sue your customer. (If that's their strategy, I guess that they had help from some SCO managers on the dole ;) ) Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
fta: but their hypocrisy is painfully clear when you remember that these apps work fine on T-Mobile's network, using T-Mobile SIM cards, if you buy your phone directly from a manufacturer like NokiaUSA.com [or fic ;)]. caveat emptor -- don't buy your phone from t-mobile hurray for openmoko! cheers daly On 2/27/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA). http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile. I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes as a factory option. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: t-mobile bans user's own apps
Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 2:26 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: t-mobile bans user's own apps It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA). http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile. I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes as a factory option. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
I have T-mobile and an SDA. They are not banning applications from their network, they just aren't letting the cheapest account use them. I pay for the 29/month data plan and my 3rd party apps work just fine. (Google maps and my funambol mail sync application) This is over hyped sensationalzed crap. If you want data service you have to pay for it. -Aaron On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Dean Collins wrote: Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 2:26 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: t-mobile bans user's own apps It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA). http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile. I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes as a factory option. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. I tried my best to understand the 8+ different Cingular data offerings and it seems at first glance that each of them either requires using a device bought from Cingular or approved by name (eg. the various Blackberry planes) http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-cell-phone-plans.jsp?_requestid=82997 -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
Why would you sign a contract? My understanding was that the only benefit to a contract was a subsidized phone. If you're using the Neo1973, you're not going to need that crippled, subsidized phone. Then, since you're not bound by a ridiculous contract, you could switch to another provider if they tried to restrict your data usage. -Steven On 2/27/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part that scares me about the Data Connect is the wording at the top-level data page that includes the phrase Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-cell-phone-plans.jsp?_requestid=82997_requestid=104169 Data Connect Access your e-mail, corporate intranet, and the Internet while on the go by wirelessly connecting your PDA to the Internet. Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. Service is not available at all times in all places. View Map and Coverage Limitations. View all 4 Data Connect Cingular Plans I'm a bit worried that they will accept the 2-contract only to turn around after a few weeks and point out that this plan only allows me to use a Cingular PDA. The Smartphone Connect only talks about browsing the internet. That has the potential liability that they only allow a proxied port-80/tcp connection and nothing else. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I recall the same thing happened with cable internet service. Running a server initially just meant running a server that was serving lots of people. Before the year was over it came to mean running your own sendmail which only accepted mail for yourself. -wolfgang Steven ** writes: Seems like you'd want either the Data Connect plan (http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service//cell-phone-plans/data-connect-plans.jsp) or the Smartphone Connect plan (http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service//cell-phone-plans/smartphone-connect-plans.jsp). I'd go with the Smartphone Connect unlimited for $20. -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ISN: 6001*308 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
