Re: Where is the tangoGPS community? (was: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator)

2010-04-10 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Apologies for reviving a 3-month-old thread I'm not actually
interested in the `Marcus vs. Risto' fight; but this thread did
raise some questions for me about how I should go about being
part of to the tangoGPS developer community, myself--mainly,
*is* there actually a developer community, and where is it?

More specifically...:

Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com writes:

 On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:12:45 +0100
 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I think it was nothing else just a desperate try to build a
  community around tangogps
[...]
  as apparently you failed to do it.
 
 Ah, allrighty! It is just that tangoGPS has a community of more than
 100.000 users, of more than 25 distributions, of people packaging it,
 people twittering about it, people blogging about it, people discussing
 it in forums...
 
 The tangoGPS friendservice has been used almost half a million times and
 the messaging is frequently used too.
 
 There has been an article on Linux.com about tangoGPS and another one in
 the Linux Magazine.
 
 I'd say the tangoGPS community is bigger than the openmoko community :-P

Those are all measures only of an end-user community.

Having a large, thriving end-user community *is* excellent, and also
important--so I'd like to both congratulate you and thank you for that
accomplishment!

However: I'd like to know where the *developer* community is for tangoGPS--
and please don't take that the wrong way, there's nothing backhanded
in that remark; really, I'm interested in developing tangoGPS, and
communicating and collaborating with other likeminded people.
I have a set of patches, already--what should I do with them?
Where should I post them for posterity? Where is the mailing list?
Is there an IRC channel? Is there a wiki? Is there a bug-tracker?
Is there a public version-control archive? Where are all of these things?

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Re: Where is the tangoGPS community? (was: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator)

2010-04-10 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Saturday 10 April 2010 15:59:04 Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
 I have a set of patches, already--what should I do with them?
 Where should I post them for posterity? Where is the mailing list?
 Is there an IRC channel? Is there a wiki? Is there a bug-tracker?
 Is there a public version-control archive? Where are all of these things?

No. Just email your patches to Marcus Bauer. Expect no reply nor use of patches.

But, you don't have the right to complain. You have the right to fork, though.

grtz,
Sander

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-02-16 Thread Neil Jerram
On 6 January 2010 11:11, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote:

 line.  (I plan to make a donation shortly.)

Finally getting around to this - but I don't see a Donate button
anywhere on the tangogps website.  Is there a donation mechanism?

Thanks,
  Neil

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-02-16 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:00:20 +
Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On 6 January 2010 11:11, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
  line.  (I plan to make a donation shortly.)
 
 Finally getting around to this - but I don't see a Donate button
 anywhere on the tangogps website.  Is there a donation mechanism?
 
 Thanks,
   Neil

Hello Neil,

So far I have added the donation button occasionally under the release
notes but now I have added one to the left sidebar.

Best regards,
Marcus

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-08 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.

 The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your
 massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far
 beyond anything acceptable that I

  a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
  b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.

I think it was nothing else just a desperate try to build a
community around tangogps as apparently you failed to do it.

What you should have to do, is simply make clear, you dont
want anybody else to make a community around your project.

Risto was and are a very active mailing list member, had some
very useful comments here, what I think many users
appreciated.

I do believe there was some small misunderstanding in
your email exchanges.


As for the lawyer part, Im really sorry, you needed hire a lawyer
in a foreign country. I hope you didnt spent to much money on
it and also I hope you enjoyed the trip to Helsinki.

However I usually dont hire any lawyers, if I receive some spams
in my inbox. But everyone are free to do in his/her way.

Im pretty sure (as you made clear), Risto wont do any private
mailing/harassment with you in the future.

Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-08 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:12:45 +0100
Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Marcus Bauer
 marcus.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
  Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:
 
  The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.
 
  The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me
  your massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were
  so far beyond anything acceptable that I
 
   a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
   b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.
 
 I think it was nothing else just a desperate try to build a
 community around tangogps

I probably repeat myself: open source / free software is build upon a
meritocracy. The more you contribute, the more influence you do have.
And actually in one way or other it is pretty much everywhere in life
like this. 

If you haven't shown any regular support of a project or group than
common sense should tell you that you wont be accepted as community
manager. Freenode has exactly for that the policy that only people
affiliated with a project can register project channels. And freenode is
the core of many communities.

 as apparently you failed to do it.

Ah, allrighty! It is just that tangoGPS has a community of more than
100.000 users, of more than 25 distributions, of people packaging it,
people twittering about it, people blogging about it, people discussing
it in forums...

The tangoGPS friendservice has been used almost half a million times and
the messaging is frequently used too.

There has been an article on Linux.com about tangoGPS and another one in
the Linux Magazine.

I'd say the tangoGPS community is bigger than the openmoko community :-P
 
Now let's compare that to Risto Kurppa, who wrote in his mail two days
ago: In co-operation with the Open Source Geospatial Foundation I
started a mailing list to discuss FOSS-GPS related topics to connect
the users  developers:.

This sounds good, no politician could say it any better. But if you
look into the list archive you see that there are three positing in the
last month:

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss-gps/2009-December/date.html

Not exactly a vibrant community that he has created in over a year. In
co-operation with the Open Source Geospatial Foundation... BlaBla.

Talk is cheap. It needs sustained work and commitment to get a community
of the ground.


 Risto was and are a very active mailing list member, had some
 very useful comments here, what I think many users
 appreciated.

Which is no excuse for misbehaviour.

 I do believe there was some small misunderstanding in
 your email exchanges.

Certainly not. The Ubuntu Community Council didn't take it lightly
either.

 As for the lawyer part, Im really sorry, you needed hire a lawyer
 in a foreign country. I hope you didnt spent to much money on
 it and also I hope you enjoyed the trip to Helsinki.
 
 However I usually dont hire any lawyers, if I receive some spams
 in my inbox. But everyone are free to do in his/her way.

That's exactly what I do too with spam. However Risto Kurppa didn't
leave me any choice. He set a deadline until which I have to respond to
him or elsewise he would go public with his diffamations. And yet I'd
still drop this kind of email into the spam folder but next day he
showed up on planet ubuntu and at this point the fun ends. That guy
simply didn't stop and that's when I notified the Ubuntu Community
Council and contacted a lawyer -- btw, they have phones in Helsinki
nowadays, no need to go there.

A word about the usage of lawyers: they are a lot more useful (and
cheaper) for getting legal advice than for sueing somebody. It is a
good idea to go and get early advice with precise questions than to wait
until a situation is out of control. By definition and statistics they
have a success rate of 50:50 when they sue. -- How was that with
throwing a coin?


Marcus






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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-08 Thread Marcus Bauer


Hi Joseph, 

thanks for your words, they are very much appreciated!

Marcus

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:48:54 +
Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on
  it so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a
  rather successful project: it has been picked up by over 25
  distributions and it has far more than 100.000 happy users in
  pretty much every corner of the world.
 
 I honestly believe that if it wasn't for TangoGPS, and therefore
 yourself Marcus, the initial uptake of the Openmoko devices would have
 been much slower. This community owes a great deal to your hard work.
 OpenStreetMap has probably benefited too as well. TangoGPS
 demonstrated that the Neo1973 and FreeRunner were (are) viable
 platforms and that there was (is) value to be gained from a phone
 running Open Source software. By demonstrated I mean that you could
 give the phone to someone, have them walk around outside, and they'd
 come back excited about what could be done.
 
 I remember getting an engineering sample of the FreeRunner and having
 many email conversations with Markus about getting TangoGPS to run on
 it. It wasn't exactly hard, but I was known to make a mistake or two
 along the way; at least in the end TangoGPS was about the first
 application I ran on the FreeRunner and I was, I think, the first
 person to ever do it. Thankfully Openmoko inc saw the value and sent
 Marcus a phone too.
 
 Thanks for all your contributions Marcus, we all owe you a lot, even
 if some people fail to realise that.
 
 Cheers, Joseph
 

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-07 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:58:42 -0800 (PST)
vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com wrote:

 Marcus Bauer wrote:
  
  I've looked inside the TangoGPS config file
  (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see any options
  to set the font size.
  
 I was in vi, and if I don't change anything, I always do a :q! to lose
 anything that might have accidentally changed. 

On the desktop gconf-editor is a good tool for editing keys. On the
freerunner it pulls in too many dependencies and doesn't fit well on
the screen.

 Did you change anything in the position / speed algorithm?  It
 doesn't seem to have as much jitter when stopped as it did before.

At one point I added some code to prevent it from updating when the
speed hasn't changed to prevent the flickering. But that was already a
few releases ago.

 Keep up the good work.  TangoGPS is an awesome program. :)

Thanks :)

Marcus



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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-07 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.

The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your
massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far
beyond anything acceptable that I 

 a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
 b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.

The Ubuntu Community Council consists of experienced and well
respected members of the open source community and the council was very
concerned about your behaviour, Risto Kurppa. The reply was written by a
certain well known 'Mark Shuttleworth' from which I guess I can cite the
following quote:

 | Thanks for raising this with us. The language he has used is very
 | unfortunate, it does come across as I will embarrass you unless you
 | respond the way I want you to, and that's not something we could
 | support in an Ubuntu member.

I have nothing to add to that.

The fact that you have registered #tangogps on freenode against the
policy that only people affiliated with the project shall register a
channel and after your inadequate behaviour in the past is thus pure
provocation.

Open source / free software is a meritocracy - the more you do for a
project the more you can influence it. Actually writing friendly emails
gains everyone quickly influence. Writing abusive emails like you
did to me a year ago, Risto Kurppa, certainly does not gain you
influence. 

I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it
so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather
successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and
it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of
the world.

Just have a look how many projects are on sourceforge that are 0.0.1
alpha and never took off. I'd say less than 5% of the projects come to
life and stay alive for more than 2 years. It needs dedication, energy
and cojones to get a project off the ground. And a good deal of the
ernergy comes from people using it, from people sending feedback, from
people spreading the word because they like it.

Thanks to all those that have one way or other contributed to tangoGPS
- your energy was and is well appreciated and put to good use :)


Marcus Bauer
Developer of tangoGPS - the fast and user friendly map viewer
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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-07 Thread Joseph Reeves
 I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it
 so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather
 successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and
 it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of
 the world.

I honestly believe that if it wasn't for TangoGPS, and therefore
yourself Marcus, the initial uptake of the Openmoko devices would have
been much slower. This community owes a great deal to your hard work.
OpenStreetMap has probably benefited too as well. TangoGPS
demonstrated that the Neo1973 and FreeRunner were (are) viable
platforms and that there was (is) value to be gained from a phone
running Open Source software. By demonstrated I mean that you could
give the phone to someone, have them walk around outside, and they'd
come back excited about what could be done.

I remember getting an engineering sample of the FreeRunner and having
many email conversations with Markus about getting TangoGPS to run on
it. It wasn't exactly hard, but I was known to make a mistake or two
along the way; at least in the end TangoGPS was about the first
application I ran on the FreeRunner and I was, I think, the first
person to ever do it. Thankfully Openmoko inc saw the value and sent
Marcus a phone too.

Thanks for all your contributions Marcus, we all owe you a lot, even
if some people fail to realise that.

Cheers, Joseph



2010/1/7 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.

 The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your
 massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far
 beyond anything acceptable that I

  a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
  b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.

 The Ubuntu Community Council consists of experienced and well
 respected members of the open source community and the council was very
 concerned about your behaviour, Risto Kurppa. The reply was written by a
 certain well known 'Mark Shuttleworth' from which I guess I can cite the
 following quote:

  | Thanks for raising this with us. The language he has used is very
  | unfortunate, it does come across as I will embarrass you unless you
  | respond the way I want you to, and that's not something we could
  | support in an Ubuntu member.

 I have nothing to add to that.

 The fact that you have registered #tangogps on freenode against the
 policy that only people affiliated with the project shall register a
 channel and after your inadequate behaviour in the past is thus pure
 provocation.

 Open source / free software is a meritocracy - the more you do for a
 project the more you can influence it. Actually writing friendly emails
 gains everyone quickly influence. Writing abusive emails like you
 did to me a year ago, Risto Kurppa, certainly does not gain you
 influence.

 I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it
 so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather
 successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and
 it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of
 the world.

 Just have a look how many projects are on sourceforge that are 0.0.1
 alpha and never took off. I'd say less than 5% of the projects come to
 life and stay alive for more than 2 years. It needs dedication, energy
 and cojones to get a project off the ground. And a good deal of the
 ernergy comes from people using it, from people sending feedback, from
 people spreading the word because they like it.

 Thanks to all those that have one way or other contributed to tangoGPS
 - your energy was and is well appreciated and put to good use :)


 Marcus Bauer
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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
As there are now many Tangogps patches that seem to struggle to get to
the official tangogps - would it be possible to collect them all on a
single (wiki?) page? Maybe even provide a new .ipk with these patches
- I for example don't have the skills to compile it again for some
patches..

Just to make the patches usable for as many as possible.

r

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:10 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 18:55 +0100, Stefan Fröbe wrote:
 Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues
 and changed it in my geocaching patch:


 change this line in src/gps_functions.c after
 setting global_font_scale to sth like 40:


 @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
   layout  = pango_layout_new (context);
   desc    = pango_font_description_new();

 - pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
 + pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
 global_font_scale /100);
   pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
   pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));



 HTH, Stefan
 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com
 wrote:

         I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS
         has increased
         the font size for the speed display on the map screen.  I
         don't need or want
         it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now.  I've looked
         inside the
         TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I
         couldn't see
         any options to set the font size.  Although I have to admit
         that some of the
         config option names are slightly cryptic.

         Is there a setting to reduce the font size?

         Thanks for any info.

         -Laura
         --

 This could be a very useful fix!  I am currently rebuilding tangogps but
 one thing I am not sure of - where do you after setting
 global_font_scale to sth like 40?

 I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the tangogps
 developer) about the font size on early versions, but the digits keep
 getting bigger each version (it seems :(

 Here, many road systems run nw-sw so its real display stealer when
 driving.

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:39:53 -0800 (PST)
vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com wrote:

 
 I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has
 increased the font size for the speed display on the map screen.

Nope. I just had a quick look: it was 72pt in the beginning and now is
at 60pt since version 0.9.8.


 I've looked inside the TangoGPS config file
 (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see any options to
 set the font size.

You should never fiddle with a text editor anything in ~/.gconf  - bad
things may happen.

I'll add an option for configuring it.

Regards,
Marcus

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:10:21 +0800
Bill bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the
 tangogps developer)

Hi Borat, I will tell Martin once I meet him :p

 but the
 digits keep getting bigger each version (it seems :(

They got smaller. I may change them from point to pixel size so they
remain the same indepentenly of changing screen dpi settings of the
distribution.


Marcus

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:52:13 +0200
Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 As there are now many Tangogps patches that seem to struggle to get to
 the official tangogps 

Stop your FUDing, Risto. There is a great video about poisonous people
on google lectures made by the devs of svn and you, Risto, are certainly
one of them.

Not enough that you have been harrassing me in private mails to a point
that I was close to stop development on tangoGPS you have now hijacked
#tangogps in freenode against the policies of freenode.net.

You haven't done anything for tangogps but molesting me and spreading
FUD where ever possible. You haven't even done a translation which
needs no programming skills whatsoever.

It is poisous people like you who only talk and demand in an
offensive way but never do anything.

You have aggressed me when I put the donate button on the website but
rest assured I have got less dontations overall than Dr. Lauer has
earned in one single week while working for openmoko. And yet tangogps
is apart from the phone functions the most used app on the Freerunner.

It is poisonous people like you who make developers turn their back to
open source / free software. Nobody likes to constantly being pissed on.

But luckily there are many people who appreciate all the work that
developers of open source / free software do for them. The countless
hours they spend without being paid. The idealism and the motivation
they have.

tangoGPS today is what it is because of it users. Because of those
users that appreciate it. Because of those users who send in their
friendly feedback. Because of those users who do an effort of getting
it to run on an older version of an eeePC. Because of packagers doing a
great job of packaging it. Because of translators translating it.
Because of people writing their experiences with it. Because of people
donating 5$ for buying me a virtual pizza.


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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 10:23 +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote:
 On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:10:21 +0800
 Bill bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
  I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the
  tangogps developer)
 
 Hi Borat, I will tell Martin once I meet him :p
 
  but the
  digits keep getting bigger each version (it seems :(
 
 They got smaller. I may change them from point to pixel size so they
 remain the same indepentenly of changing screen dpi settings of the
 distribution.
 
 
 Marcus
 

heh heh, sorry, I should have looked up your name to be sure.

This is my most used GPS app and the digit size is my only real beef
with it - it works well.

On the FR in landscape mode, the digits (at anything over 100km/h -
(spent two long days travelling at ~110km/h speed recently!) take up
almost a quarter of the screen (in X and Y) - I just tried with the
suggested patch/change and a global_font_scale of 40 was still a bit
large.  30 is perhaps a touch small (text height is the same as the
buttons), but I'll live with it for awhile and see how it goes.

One plus, the display updates are now smooth and almost unnoticeable -
before the screen would often partially update and then catch up a
couple of seconds later.

The changing to red at 50km/h affects the visibility of the digits at
the smaller sizes and is a pretty useless thing anyway (our limit is
110kmh in the country, 60 on city roads and 50 in backstreets so you
hardly ever/rarely stay in the black zone - kinda defeats the purpose!).
A presettable limit would be nice.

These things are always a tradeoff with different users having different
ideas so user preferences would be the best way to go I think.

a shr-t ipk with global_font_scale=30 is at
http://wdk.dyndns.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/tangogps_0.99.1-r0.4_armv4t.ipk; 
for the adventurous :)

BillK




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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/6 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au:

 This is my most used GPS app and the digit size is my only real beef
 with it - it works well.

I'd like to second that.  tangogps (+ GPRS) was fantastically useful
during my post-Christmas tour of the relatives.  The new routing
function especially rocks.  I just set it up, hand the phone to my
wife or 6 year old son, and they just make sure we stay on the green
line.  (I plan to make a donation shortly.)

 The changing to red at 50km/h [...]

Just an amusing note here...  The changing to red thing happens at 50
even when the speed is in _miles_ per hour.  It would make better
sense for the change to happen at 30mph, since 30mph is (roughly) the
same as 50km/h.

Finally, FWIW, on Debian I haven't noticed any problem with the font size.

Regards,
   Neil

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:50:49 +0800
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 On the FR in landscape mode, the digits (at anything over 100km/h -
 (spent two long days travelling at ~110km/h speed recently!) take up
 almost a quarter of the screen (in X and Y) - I just tried with the
 suggested patch/change and a global_font_scale of 40 was still a bit
 large.  30 is perhaps a touch small (text height is the same as the
 buttons), but I'll live with it for awhile and see how it goes.

Can you put up somewhere a screenshot or send me one? It really differs
from distro to distro...

 One plus, the display updates are now smooth and almost unnoticeable -
 before the screen would often partially update and then catch up a
 couple of seconds later.
 
 The changing to red at 50km/h affects the visibility of the digits at
 the smaller sizes and is a pretty useless thing anyway (our limit is
 110kmh in the country, 60 on city roads and 50 in backstreets so you
 hardly ever/rarely stay in the black zone - kinda defeats the
 purpose!). A presettable limit would be nice.

Ah yes. I have totally forgotten about it. I can add that in too.

Marcus

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:52:13 +0200
 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 As there are now many Tangogps patches that seem to struggle to get to
 the official tangogps

 Stop your FUDing, Risto. There is a great video about poisonous people
 on google lectures made by the devs of svn and you, Risto, are certainly
 one of them.

It must be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE
Looks interesting, I'll watch it some day.

 You haven't done anything for tangogps but molesting me and spreading
 FUD where ever possible. You haven't even done a translation which
 needs no programming skills whatsoever.

It's true, I haven't contributed to the code nor translations, Timo
Jyrinki translated Tangogps into Finnish.

Kustomizer, the script I wrote to turn OM2008.12 into full distro,
installed Tangogps (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer I don't
have stats from longer period, but the various versions of the script
have been downloaded 5 times already in January 2010 although
Kustomizer's been discontinued for almost 10 months already.. Stop
using it people, go to SHR! ;)

I reviewed Tangogps, liked it a lot and gave it good grades:
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/09/freerunner-compatible-gps-software/
(178 hits)

I passed on the word about a new release to the Freerunner community:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028535.html

In co-operation with the Open Source Geospatial Foundation I started a
mailing list to discuss FOSS-GPS related topics to connect the users 
developers:
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/09/a-mailing-list-for-the-floss-gps-community/
(tangogps linked, 675 hits)
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/invitation-for-all-open-source-gps-software-developers-and-users-to-join-foss-gps-mailing-list
(671 hits)

 Not enough that you have been harrassing me in private mails to a point
 that I was close to stop development on tangoGPS you have now hijacked
 #tangogps in freenode against the policies of freenode.net.

Yes, I started the IRC channel and now feel very sorry for doing it.
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2009/11/two-new-irc-channels-tangogps-and-smile-slideshow/
(255 hits)
I did it to enable the users  devels to discuss it real time. We've
had some nice discussion there about some new tools other users have
written and helped other Tangogps users for example to configure map
repositories.

When I started the channel, I notified you about it (e-mail 11/15/09)
asking you to join so I could pass on the admin rights to you.
At that time, I didn't know you need to be the author or similar to
start a channel at Freenode. When someone pointed that out to me, I
was immediately co-operative to do whatever's needed to get things
straight. So if you think it's the best, I can leave the channel any
time, but I cannot force other people to do the same.

 It is poisous people like you who only talk and demand in an
 offensive way but never do anything.

Thank you Marcus for Tangogps. It's still maybe the most used single
application I use on my Freerunner.

The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.

r


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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-06 Thread vancel35


Marcus Bauer wrote:
 
 On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:39:53 -0800 (PST)
 vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com wrote:
 
 
 I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has
 increased the font size for the speed display on the map screen.
 
 Nope. I just had a quick look: it was 72pt in the beginning and now is
 at 60pt since version 0.9.8.
 
You mention the DPI in other posts, so that may be what's happening.   I
always update the DPI to make everything smaller, and this time I reflashed
didn't change it.  I'll have to update my DPI when I leave work today and
see if the speed font is smaller.  However, it would still be nice if it
were configurable. :D

The larger issue about DPI is that everything is too big on the screen.  I
like the icons to be finger-friendly, but the text below them doesn't need
to be readable from across the room... but that's not what we're discussing
here... just an explanation why I always fiddle with the DPI. ;)



Marcus Bauer wrote:
 
 I've looked inside the TangoGPS config file
 (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see any options to
 set the font size.
 
 You should never fiddle with a text editor anything in ~/.gconf  - bad
 things may happen.
 
 I'll add an option for configuring it.
 
 Regards,
 Marcus
 
I was in vi, and if I don't change anything, I always do a :q! to lose
anything that might have accidentally changed.  I learned my lesson long
ago.

Did you change anything in the position / speed algorithm?  It doesn't seem
to have as much jitter when stopped as it did before.  But I've also updated
my distro of SHR-U to the December 5th release, so it may have been
something upstream or maybe just a coincidence.

Keep up the good work.  TangoGPS is an awesome program. :)

-Laura

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TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-05 Thread vancel35

I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has increased
the font size for the speed display on the map screen.  I don't need or want
it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now.  I've looked inside the
TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see
any options to set the font size.  Although I have to admit that some of the
config option names are slightly cryptic.

Is there a setting to reduce the font size?

Thanks for any info.

-Laura
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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-05 Thread Stefan Fröbe
Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues and
changed it in my geocaching patch:

change this line in src/gps_functions.c after setting global_font_scale to
sth like 40:

@@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
  layout  = pango_layout_new (context);
  desc= pango_font_description_new();

- pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
+ pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
global_font_scale /100);
  pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
  pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));


HTH, Stefan
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com wrote:


 I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has increased
 the font size for the speed display on the map screen.  I don't need or
 want
 it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now.  I've looked inside the
 TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see
 any options to set the font size.  Although I have to admit that some of
 the
 config option names are slightly cryptic.

 Is there a setting to reduce the font size?

 Thanks for any info.

 -Laura
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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-05 Thread vancel35



Stefan Fröbe wrote:
 
 Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues and
 changed it in my geocaching patch:
 
 change this line in src/gps_functions.c after setting global_font_scale to
 sth like 40:
 
 @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
   layout  = pango_layout_new (context);
   desc= pango_font_description_new();
 
 - pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
 + pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
 global_font_scale /100);
   pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
   pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));
 
 
 HTH, Stefan
 

I haven't installed the OM development stack yet, and I haven't installed
the geocaching patch.  Since PANGO_SCALE looks like a global variable, I
tried to find a global pango config file, and I couldn't find anything.  I
tried to set the PANGO_SCALE as a global shell variable, and no luck.

In your code snippet, it seems like that hard-coded 60 should be a
user-definable variable from the config screen or at least a config file.

I guess it's time for me to install the OM dev kit.

Thanks for the info. :)

-Laura

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

2010-01-05 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 18:55 +0100, Stefan Fröbe wrote:
 Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues
 and changed it in my geocaching patch:
 
 
 change this line in src/gps_functions.c after
 setting global_font_scale to sth like 40:
 
 
 @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
   layout  = pango_layout_new (context);
   desc= pango_font_description_new();
   
 - pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
 + pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
 global_font_scale /100);
   pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
   pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));
   
 
 
 HTH, Stefan
 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com
 wrote:
 
 I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS
 has increased
 the font size for the speed display on the map screen.  I
 don't need or want
 it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now.  I've looked
 inside the
 TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I
 couldn't see
 any options to set the font size.  Although I have to admit
 that some of the
 config option names are slightly cryptic.
 
 Is there a setting to reduce the font size?
 
 Thanks for any info.
 
 -Laura
 --

This could be a very useful fix!  I am currently rebuilding tangogps but
one thing I am not sure of - where do you after setting
global_font_scale to sth like 40?

I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the tangogps
developer) about the font size on early versions, but the digits keep
getting bigger each version (it seems :(

Here, many road systems run nw-sw so its real display stealer when
driving. 

BillK






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