Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-12 Thread Ivo Anjo
Nice. So you'll only need a special cable do be able go charge and usb-host at the same time? As this cable is a custom one, might be an interesting addition to the openmoko store that was being discussed on some other thread, so hardware-challenged people like me can purchase it. Ivo On Wed,

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-12 Thread David Samblas Martinez
I think this cable must be included in the basic packaging!!!( well in the advance packaging at last) If you can plug at time in dc power and usb periphals whith a usb hub and a keyboard (it can be bluetooth or usb!!) you can convert in few seconds a mobile phone in a mini ultraportable

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Brad Midgley
Andy Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled whenever we are in host mode. I don't know what that thing will do if we provide 5V externally too, probably it will be okay but it needs testing. You wrote currently. Does that mean with a software change we

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Andy Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled whenever we are in host mode. I don't know what that thing will do if we provide 5V externally too, probably it will be

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Brad Midgley
Andy So we must do the test to find out where we are. Interesting stuff. The test result may also vary based on whether the external voltage is a little higher or lower than what comes out of the pump. -- Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread joerg
Hi Andy! Am Di 11. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: - gpg control packet Somebody in the thread at some point said: Andy Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled whenever we are in host mode. I don't know what that thing will do if we provide 5V

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Hi Andy! Am Di 11. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: - gpg control packet Somebody in the thread at some point said: Andy Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: No, I was just noting you could put the CPU peripheral logic into host mode but leave the EN_USBHOST signal low. Then you could add 15K pulldowns as a hack, and it would all work. But it is a bit of a

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread joerg
Am Di 11. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: - gpg control packet Somebody in the thread at some point said: No, I was just noting you could put the CPU peripheral logic into host mode but leave the EN_USBHOST signal low. Then you could add 15K pulldowns as a hack, and it would all work.

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Ah, i see a Y-adapter: one end usb-device, one end receptable for usb charger, one end GTA02 *with ID-R of e.g 82k* PLUS *2 x 15k pulldown*. And GTA02 automatically switching to external powered host

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Brad Midgley
joerg, Ah, i see a Y-adapter: one end usb-device, one end receptable for usb charger, one end GTA02 *with ID-R of e.g 82k* PLUS *2 x 15k pulldown*. And GTA02 automatically switching to external powered host mode. :-) This was on the list of accessories from the beginning, wasn't it? ;-)

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread joerg
Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: joerg, Ah, i see a Y-adapter: one end usb-device, one end receptable for usb charger, one end GTA02 *with ID-R of e.g 82k* PLUS *2 x 15k pulldown*. And GTA02 automatically switching to external powered host mode. :-) This was on the list

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-11 Thread Brad Midgley
thanks joerg I've tried to write this up as succinctly as I can. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#USB_Host In the end this means: the 47k ID-R should be in the Y-adapter, and you may use arbitrary usb-chargers (1A) with it for quick-charge. However the

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-10 Thread Ivo Anjo
I think this is a very good observation. If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of time it would be very important to be able to charge it (otherwise it will just run dry very fast). Anyone know if you can? Ivo On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-10 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: I think this is a very good observation. If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of time it would be very important to be able to charge it (otherwise it will just run dry very

Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-10 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Somebody in the thread at some point said: I think this is a very good observation. If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of time it would be very important to be able to

freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?

2008-03-09 Thread Brad Midgley
Hey My neo can run in host mode at the same time it's charging, using a Y cable or a hardware hack (*). Can this still be done with freerunner? It will provide power to a usb slave so it may not be prepared to get juice in at the same time. * eg