Re: some hardware suggestions
On 29 Aug 2008, at 12:04, Charles Pax wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Michele Renda > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :) > > Easy. Just find a food place that delivers and takes orders online. > Wow, a coffee machine you don't even need to clean. Find a delivery > place that takes orders over the phone and you have yourself a a > voice-activated system. I am reminded of the SGI `burrito` command - it was all that was necessary, apparently, to send your order to the local food-delivery company via the company's fax server. I believe that `burrito` was aware of the different entrances to or parts of the SGI campus to which you might wish your snack delivered, and of course this must be specified by the user. Defaults were read from the user's .burritorc file, but could be overwritten by flags such as --extra-cheese (or whatever - sorry, we don't have burritos in the UK). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
Alexey Kurochkin wrote: > On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote: > >> CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an >> application. > > I would call it Garçon. ROTFL! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
Shawn Thompson wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > >> Nishit Dave wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> - "Genuine People Personality" Module >>> Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, >>> >> don't >> >>> talk on me about it" modes? >>> >>> >>> >> I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny >> disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction >> to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably >> quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a >> self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;) >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the > GSM and stated, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed." > Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world > ends right? > Hell yeah! "You told me to remind you that you've got a meeting at 3:30. Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and you've got me reminding you of your menial schedule. Call that job satisfaction? cuz I don't. Also, I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side..." ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Nishit Dave wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > > > >> - "Genuine People Personality" Module > >> > >> > > > > Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, > don't > > talk on me about it" modes? > > > > > I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny > disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction > to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably > quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a > self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;) > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the GSM and stated, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed." Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world ends right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
Nishit Dave wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > >> - "Genuine People Personality" Module >> >> > > Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, don't > talk on me about it" modes? > > I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
Christ van Willegen wrote: > (to both lists...) > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself. Which is why the >> ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2]. > >> [1] http://www.glug-bom.org >> [2] >> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html > > AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The > Netherlands includes India... and china china and india need lots of correction/tidying work though; some of the roads are a long way off plus, new zealand have recently agreed to let their road and property databases be included ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
(to both lists...) On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself. Which is why the > ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2]. > [1] http://www.glug-bom.org > [2] > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The Netherlands includes India... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Christ van Willegen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, > don't > > talk on me about it" modes? > > > This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. "Hey, you're > close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these) > groceries". All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse... > Yes. And then we can sample our wives' voices to use with festival? > > This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that > is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible. > Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being > done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as > well. > We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself. Which is why the ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2]. Yours truly may be witnessed in the list - complaining about the FR. I really would love to see (a) reliable phone functions, and (b) GPRS GUI working so I can exploit the FR's tremendous potential. [1] http://www.glug-bom.org [2] http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote: > CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an > application. I would call it Garçon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, don't > talk on me about it" modes? I was listening to Fit the First and Fit the Second yesterday and today, but both modes don't 'do it' for me... I'd rather have a mode that... just works. This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. "Hey, you're close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these) groceries". All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse... This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible. Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as well. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > - "Genuine People Personality" Module > Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, don't talk on me about it" modes? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :) > > Easy. Just find a food place that delivers and takes orders online. Wow, a coffee machine you don't even need to clean. Find a delivery place that takes orders over the phone and you have yourself a a voice-activated system. Seriously, an application that interacts with a food ordering/delivery site like http://www.seamlessweb.com/ would be pretty cool. CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an application. First the GPS TTFF issue and now this; many hardware problems can be fixed with software. -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale Maggee wrote: > - Matter Transporter / replicator (makes coffee machine redundant!) > - Warp Drive > - Holographic emitters > - Laser cannons > - "Genuine People Personality" Module They are a MUST: Every Star Phone must have one :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIt6ypSIAU/I6SkT0RAiQQAJ9TzndxaLak+ab39y+/uRlg1UxSQwCgkJHc 9msdfsLBhY4Codc4K1hkB2M= =EI2v -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Milos Mandaric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 05:58 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: >> And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :) >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > LOL :) > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I loved it thought not possible as of now to pack in a decent sized phone. But I would like to have OMAP 3530 instead of PXA:_) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
you forgot: - Kitchen sink - Matter Transporter / replicator (makes coffee machine redundant!) - Warp Drive - Holographic emitters - Laser cannons - "Genuine People Personality" Module ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 05:58 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: > And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community LOL :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
some hardware suggestions
Processors: PXA320 Monahans Cortex-A8 will run at up to 600MHz in low-power applications but clock to 1GHz in more performance-sensitive roles. 128MB Dedicated for open files, running software etc., not for storage, or 256MB at all would be really nice and enough for any future software. ROM Enough to Hold O/S and a fair number of applications and their settings. Persistent Storage with XIP capability. About 128 MB. Storage An internal Micro SDHC should be used for users' files and additional software Wireless data networking WiMAX support 3GPP LTE Support ( via bluetooth) Camera Display Multitouch screen 262k or 16.7M colurs for displaying images and especially videos. OLED for better contrast, more rich colours, and less energy consumption. Distance sensing touchscreen Video acceleration Hardware acceleration for video playback and 2D/3D accelleration Transreflective screen Input devices Tablet PC like pen input (Wacom Technology) Regular phone keypad No Dependence on Stylus QWERTY or Dvorak keyboard A laser projection keyboard ( via bluetooth ? ) Just a few more Buttons 2 buttons more, 3 buttons total, mounted sideways would be enough. You could use them for play/pause and loudness controll while the phone remains in your pocket (display locked, ...), reading mails, rss, ebooks,... without wasting display space and so on. D-Pad and Buttons 3 axis Accelerometer Determine Position Dynamic Screen Orientation Side-Mounted Touch Strip Heart Rate Compatibility ( bluetooth ) Digital compass A digital compass is useful for orienting maps to the terrain and other location/direction/orientation based applications (... is 300 meter that way) when the user is standing still (regardless of GPS reception) and for following a bearing when GPS reception is poor or speed is low. Also could be used to make the accelerometer data more exact. Wishlist:Auto Align Map Thermometer Barometer and Variometer (Altimeter) ( bluetooth or usb ) A Barometer measures air pressure. This can be used to give weather information, and also as a variometer, to sense relative altitude. Variometers are commonly used in flying microlight and ultralight aircraft, to get accurate relative altitude. These are also common on high end GPS units. This is a great feature for walkers as you can tell how far you have got on any ascent/decent. Barcode Scanner (bluetooth ) Light Sensor Ability to sense ambient light, and act accordingly. i.e if it's 3am and LightValue<.1 then Ring Quietly. Make all unlocking of phone, password protected Storage MMC/SD/SDIO slot (rather than?) miniSD or microSD Cheaper, more durable cards in a widely accepted format. Much much larger storage capacity, even 32GB Cards are harder to lose Wider selection of accessories, including SDIO accessories. Make externally available so that larger length SDIO cards can be used (thinking about SDIO WLAN here) SDHC compatible. It seems to already have the right hardware for it - see Neo1973_Hardware#microSD-Card. SD Card Slot Micro SDHC for /home partition. Keep like current design underneath SIM Local Communication USB 5V Powered, to avoid having to carry around a hub for when you want to occasionally plug in a memory stick. USB 2.0 Bootable USB device emulation: the possibility to boot any computer on a bootable flagged partition of the transflash. Protection against incorrectly wired USB ports: some USB ports are wired incorrectly; if the +5V and GND are swapped, the device would get -5V when it's expecting +5V, which could burn some chips. A reverse-biased diode between +5V and GND, D+ and GND, D- and GND, and (if used) ID and GND, with a low enough forward voltage drop (to limite the negative voltages to what the chips can withstand), would protect the device by tripping the port's short circuit protection. 2 USB-Ports; one for acting as USB-host and one for acting as USB-device at same time. SIR/FIR transceiver (Serial Infrared) / IR remote control Output devices LED The Neo1973 GTA02 will have LEDs of some sort behind at least one button. [1] For example a multicolor LED which pulses yellow for GSM/GPRS transmit, blue for Bluetooth/Wifi, green to indicate non-urgent information - missed call etc, red to indicate battery low or other urgent notices. The LED and button ideas could be combined: illuminated buttons. It must be possible to completely disable the LED to save power or other personal preferences. Flashlight ( high output LED ) For finding keys, or any other application. May also optionally pulse in time with ring, to make phone more visible. This is really well done in Nokia 5500. FM transmitter ( bluetooth ) Small FM transmitter to output to car, and other nearby radios. Fix the biggest flaw in the iPod before Apple does! Infrared Transmitter w/ universal remote software HAC Compliance it would be nice to see the phone include a telecoil, which allows the phone to connect wirelessly to many stan
